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I am thinking this:
Damdred asks a question where answers are:
- disformation says bad town (wrong answer)
- disformation says scum (wrong answer)
- disformation says (NAI - wrong answer because "you sure have an opinion on that")
Those are the only possible answers disformation can give. Now if every answer is wrong in the first place then Damdred should already have a conclusion or a lead on his alignment withouth the question.
The only thing he can do with the answer is to call disformation out. Can you see why this is not a townie thought process?
Later on he backs off. This is something that doesn't make him mafia but it makes sense as scum when me and Koshi are already calling him out of it.
I don't see any substance in his other posting.
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Safari is unbelievably bad for keeping up with this game.
On March 18 2017 00:28 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 00:17 Eden1892 wrote:On March 17 2017 07:34 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote:
What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion who? eden or xata? dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset. Why are you taking my claim at face value, disfo? huh? you claim something at the start of the game which might be true or not might be true. i have seen both alignments do that, so 50/50. if you are town you do that in the hope of giving ppl something to talk/discuss about. problem is that its super easy to throw about mechanical/setup stuff as scum. so your opening is basically as nai as it gets?
What I'm getting at is that I do not see how my "Setup A" post (especially without clarifying what Setup A even refers to, since it's not in the OP) is "giving thread something to work with." Unless you believed me to be claiming a role and telling the thread, my initial post didn't convey anything meaningful.
Hence my question. You would have to take my claim at face value for my opening post to mean anything. You think my opening post meant something, so you are therefore taking my claim at face value. Why?
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I know I'm not exactly on-time with this, but the opening exchanges among Xatalos, Damdred and disformation are really weird
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@Calix I just don't have a good read on df yet. I don't think he's necessarily scum but I so not have enough to securely put him into town without reservations.
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On March 18 2017 03:04 Eden1892 wrote:Safari is unbelievably bad for keeping up with this game. Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 00:28 disformation wrote:On March 18 2017 00:17 Eden1892 wrote:On March 17 2017 07:34 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote:
What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion who? eden or xata? dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset. Why are you taking my claim at face value, disfo? huh? you claim something at the start of the game which might be true or not might be true. i have seen both alignments do that, so 50/50. if you are town you do that in the hope of giving ppl something to talk/discuss about. problem is that its super easy to throw about mechanical/setup stuff as scum. so your opening is basically as nai as it gets? What I'm getting at is that I do not see how my "Setup A" post (especially without clarifying what Setup A even refers to, since it's not in the OP) is "giving thread something to work with." Unless you believed me to be claiming a role and telling the thread, my initial post didn't convey anything meaningful. Hence my question. You would have to take my claim at face value for my opening post to mean anything. You think my opening post meant something, so you are therefore taking my claim at face value. Why?
Youre beating a dead horse try something else plz.
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On March 18 2017 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am thinking this:
Damdred asks a question where answers are:
- disformation says bad town (wrong answer)
- disformation says scum (wrong answer)
- disformation says (NAI - wrong answer because "you sure have an opinion on that")
Those are the only possible answers disformation can give. Now if every answer is wrong in the first place then Damdred should already have a conclusion or a lead on his alignment withouth the question.
The only thing he can do with the answer is to call disformation out. Can you see why this is not a townie thought process?
Later on he backs off. This is something that doesn't make him mafia but it makes sense as scum when me and Koshi are already calling him out of it.
I don't see any substance in his other posting.
This isn't necessarily true, there are no "wrong answers" this early about alignment.
Dis made a statement about xata and Eden. Obviously we all didn't understand each other I asked for him to expound his opinion he did to a 50/50 read on one and null on other I believe and then we got deep into the rabbit hole.
Even if he answers "wrong" that's still information that he puts into the thread and can see his thought process of the game. It's not as black and white as you make it seem.
And ive given a lot of reads for no substance...
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On March 18 2017 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am thinking this:
Damdred asks a question where answers are:
- disformation says bad town (wrong answer)
- disformation says scum (wrong answer)
- disformation says (NAI - wrong answer because "you sure have an opinion on that")
Those are the only possible answers disformation can give. Now if every answer is wrong in the first place then Damdred should already have a conclusion or a lead on his alignment withouth the question.
The only thing he can do with the answer is to call disformation out. Can you see why this is not a townie thought process?
Later on he backs off. This is something that doesn't make him mafia but it makes sense as scum when me and Koshi are already calling him out of it.
I don't see any substance in his other posting.
I think I see where we're not clicking here a bit. You scum-hunt by looking for ways that people 'can't be town' while I tend to look for things that 'scum are more likely to do/ scum would only do'.
So your third line (bolded) 'clicks' with me. Makes some sense from scum POV. Why wouldn't he follow up on that if his intentions were to accuse disformation though? He didn't really care about the early pressure on disformation and didn't vote for him even when Damdred was a leading wagon iirc.
I also disagree with the last line. He's one of the more proactive people here imo. That doesn't necessarily make him town but it does make him a poor choice for a D1 lynch when we still have a fair few low-posters. So of your scum reads, Malongo is a better choice for a lynch.
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On March 18 2017 03:11 Calix wrote:
Why wouldn't he follow up on that if his intentions were to accuse disformation though?
Because me and Koshi called him out. Following up on it would be disasterous most likely.
If he is town why WOULDN'T he follow up if he saw something? Why does he accept the answer "NAI (what disformation said)" when he already thought "you MUST have a conclusion"?
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Oh and i don't care about people being pro-active or not. I care about being right and lynching mafia.
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I'm having a ton of trouble understanding what happened on pg 6. This is the key exchange to me:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote:
And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote:
Was expecting something better tbh.
Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
I cut a couple posts in-between, but as far as I can tell, disformation's comment was about Damdred and not Xatalos. disformation is saying that he was unimpressed with Damdred's reasoning for voting Xatalos and not Xatalos's reaction to my opener.
Yet for some reason the conversation plays out as though disformation were talking about Xatalos's reaction to me:
On March 17 2017 07:37 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 07:34 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote:
What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion who? eden or xata? dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset. That's a lot of words for "his claim is NAI" fam. Why is Xat's response more likely scum than town?
On March 17 2017 07:38 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 07:34 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote:
What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion who? eden or xata? dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset. Hmmm.... Could you elaborate on how you came to the conclusion that scum Xata would post what I did? My post and your summary of it also didn't seem to resemble each other very much.
On March 17 2017 07:39 Xatalos wrote:I mean how does this Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 07:03 Xatalos wrote:
Does setup A mean:
Cop, Doc vs. Goon, Roleblocker, Framer ? become this? Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote:
Was expecting something better tbh.
Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
disformation tries to clarify on pg 7, Calix continues misunderstanding and when disformation gets annoyed about it, Calix claims a scumread based on tone:
On March 17 2017 07:56 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 07:54 disformation wrote:
*sigh*
Like xata had like 3 posts at this time, so the only reason (imo) damdy could have had to SR xata would have been in the reaction about the setup stuff. which is possible to come from scum. i personally went bleh.
which is why went like "well its better than smilies, but still crap" (which is why i didnt do anything about it)
in the opposite direction is the question whether damdies "push" on xata could be a scum push, but upon his explanation and no vote being in the voting thread I think its more likely damdy wanted to get some discussion/shit started. Okay, I'm starting to think you're mafia from your reactions here. Nothing to do with what you're saying, really, it's more that you sound very tense and defensive and like you have a massive stick up your arse for no real reason once people started engaging with you. It's a different vibe from what I get from Damdred and Xatalos who seem more chill and willing to get shit done. ##vote disformation
This is really uncharitable from Calix. Wouldn't you expect somebody whose point has been misunderstood for multiple pages of exchanges to be a little frustrated about it? It didn't read suspicious to me in the least. Calix even says that the suspicion doesn't come from what disformation is actually saying, just that frustration.
Calix, why didn't you question disformation further once it became clear that there was a misunderstanding regarding what disformation was saying? Why did you cop out to a tone-based scumread that isn't actually alignment-indicative?
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Oh this is going to be fun.
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On March 18 2017 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 03:04 Eden1892 wrote:Safari is unbelievably bad for keeping up with this game. On March 18 2017 00:28 disformation wrote:On March 18 2017 00:17 Eden1892 wrote:On March 17 2017 07:34 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote:
What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion who? eden or xata? dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset. Why are you taking my claim at face value, disfo? huh? you claim something at the start of the game which might be true or not might be true. i have seen both alignments do that, so 50/50. if you are town you do that in the hope of giving ppl something to talk/discuss about. problem is that its super easy to throw about mechanical/setup stuff as scum. so your opening is basically as nai as it gets? What I'm getting at is that I do not see how my "Setup A" post (especially without clarifying what Setup A even refers to, since it's not in the OP) is "giving thread something to work with." Unless you believed me to be claiming a role and telling the thread, my initial post didn't convey anything meaningful. Hence my question. You would have to take my claim at face value for my opening post to mean anything. You think my opening post meant something, so you are therefore taking my claim at face value. Why? Youre beating a dead horse try something else plz.
Nah I'm good, need the answer to this question.
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On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote:
Was expecting something better tbh.
Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Literally dis floats this in the thread right before I said Eden is nai.
I ask for his opinion since obviously he must have one from this post. This post is independent of my post. There is literally no reason I shouldn't ask him for more explanation from this post.
Though the post opened a chasm because there was a obvious miscommunication but that's beyond the point.
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On March 18 2017 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 03:11 Calix wrote:
Why wouldn't he follow up on that if his intentions were to accuse disformation though? Because me and Koshi called him out. Following up on it would be disasterous most likely. If he is town why WOULDN'T he follow up if he saw something? Why does he accept the answer "NAI (what disformation said)" when he already thought "you MUST have a conclusion"?
And if you think id back down just because you and koahi call me out on something just lol man. I do what I want and give reads when I want.
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Yeah this is frustrating I'll be back shortly
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On March 18 2017 03:20 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote:
Was expecting something better tbh.
Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?" Literally dis floats this in the thread right before I said Eden is nai. I ask for his opinion since obviously he must have one from this post. This post is independent of my post. There is literally no reason I shouldn't ask him for more explanation from this post. Though the post opened a chasm because there was a obvious miscommunication but that's beyond the point.
See here is my point.
If you though disformation implied he has an opinion you think is NAI why do you need to ask about it?
If you for any reason needed to ask about it why did you later on accept the answer (from him) "NAI" as an answer because that was the point of asking the question in the first place?
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Going out, will be on phone if not too drunk.
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On March 18 2017 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 03:20 Damdred wrote:On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote:
Was expecting something better tbh.
Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?" Literally dis floats this in the thread right before I said Eden is nai. I ask for his opinion since obviously he must have one from this post. This post is independent of my post. There is literally no reason I shouldn't ask him for more explanation from this post. Though the post opened a chasm because there was a obvious miscommunication but that's beyond the point. See here is my point. If you though disformation implied he has an opinion you think is NAI why do you need to ask about it? If you for any reason needed to ask about it why did you later on accept the answer (from him) "NAI" as an answer because that was the point of asking the question in the first place?
To get some kind of interaction going and understand what he was saying. Which I go on to hammer for like 50 hours...
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On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways. My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy. So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time. ##ryanpelikoneetEverything else es just nonsense for me at this point.
rayn, you said that your suspicion of Malongo was based on this post and how he did these....
- There is no reason to call Darthfoley town just because he is calling Malongo mafia
- There is no reason to assume disformation and Damdred are town just because there are people voting for them
1) The way I read it, Malongo said that foley was town DESPITE calling him scum, not the other way around. How did you come to that conclusion? How does that even make sense?
2) Malongo didn't even say that they're town, just that he'd prefer to get alternative voting action?
All in all, it's just so.... weak. Almost as weak as the reads on Damdred/me. Is this really the best you got to push with apparent confidence?
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On March 18 2017 03:18 Eden1892 wrote:
I cut a couple posts in-between, but as far as I can tell, disformation's comment was about Damdred and not Xatalos. disformation is saying that he was unimpressed with Damdred's reasoning for voting Xatalos and not Xatalos's reaction to my opener.
Yet for some reason the conversation plays out as though disformation were talking about Xatalos's reaction to me:
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Calix, why didn't you question disformation further once it became clear that there was a misunderstanding regarding what disformation was saying? Why did you cop out to a tone-based scumread that isn't actually alignment-indicative?
Simple - because it wasn't clear. Until you made this post, it didn't even occur to me that disformation might have been talking about Damdred when he made that post.
(I stopped giving a shit a while ago)
But hey, at least you diagnosed the root cause of the misunderstanding.
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