In addition to the valid concerns Calix raised, I think it simply makes being vanilla town a lot less interesting in this setup when you're forced into a follow the cop on n0.

The super original version of this game had silent nights, which solves that problem while allowing the doctor to act. However the "allowed to talk" buff for town had to be countered somehow, hence the "doc inactive n0" nerf.

That being said, this is your setup, so your call.

/in

Palmar

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January 22 2017 19:43 GMT

#35

Koshi is right

Palmar

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January 25 2017 14:09 GMT

#39

I am 100% going afk if someone plays non-optimally. So there's that.

Palmar

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February 09 2017 22:02 GMT

#76

Morning, I am the cop. Please protect me.

I am not kidding with the "I will quit playing if someone plays suboptimally" thing.

Palmar

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February 09 2017 22:10 GMT

#78

Just so we're all on the same page.

Optimal play for mafia is to counterclaim, if they don't they have a chance of losing the game outright, and even if they don't that significantly cuts down their chance of winning.

Optimal play for the doctor is to not claim and protect the cop claim he believes the most. Not that it really matters because it's suboptimal for the mafia to shoot the cop anyway, because that just confirms their counterclaim as mafia, making the game equally hard, with the added risk that in 50% of games the doc protects correctly and mafia just loses outright.

Optimal play for town is to play like townies and figure out which cop is real.

I will be checking into a pool of 5 people, 1 of them will be mafia (I won't check myself and I won't check the counterclaim). If any of you can sound enough like town so I can rule you out from being checked on n0 or n1, that'd be great.

We will never lynch on day 1, unless something amazing like mafia just being really bad and not putting up any kind of a fight and I get a red check, in which case we can move the game along. If even 1 single person is not on my side in the counterclaim wars, we just sleep, get another check for both the cops" and make the decision in a 3v2 lylo with 2 cops and 2 checks from each of them, that is the maximum amount of information we can have.

Palmar

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February 09 2017 22:11 GMT

#79

If I don't get ccd, and somehow still die this night, I'm quitting TL mafia

we clear?

Palmar

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February 09 2017 22:31 GMT

#87

I am 100% scum to you LS

I already explained your optimal play, follow it please so I don't have to think.

Palmar

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February 09 2017 22:33 GMT

#88

On February 10 2017 07:25 Rels wrote:
yeah a cc war already
if I had to decide with 0 info Palmar would be the one I lynch. More his type to do this kind of play than LS

yeah but you're bad

If I roll cop, I claim.

Palmar

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February 09 2017 22:34 GMT

#89

Although it would be fairly fitting for us to lose this game because town got unlucky and someone who's not a dumbass rolled cop

Palmar

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February 09 2017 22:37 GMT

#94

On February 10 2017 07:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh if Palmar is town idk why he wanted to claim cop (my role) other than trying to take the shot but if he's scum he was trying to get the doc on to him to not protect me.

Jesus please

I cannot be town because I am not retarded enough to fake claim cop as town, it's terrible to do so.

Which brings me to, if this is a stunt, and you're trying to give me a hint that you're actually fake claiming by talking about it, just retract, because it's 100% useless to fake cop as town in this setup. So if you somehow are town and thought it was a good idea, stop RIGHT NOW. I cba dealing with a more complex game than I have to.

Palmar

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February 09 2017 22:38 GMT

#95

Like just so we're clear LS, if you don't retract in the next 10 minutes, I'm just gonna stop talking to you and focus on other things, as I will forever and always consider you scum this game after that. I will never change my mind even if I fucking check you and you come back green. (which I won't, because I'm not retarded).

Palmar

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February 09 2017 22:40 GMT

#97

On February 10 2017 07:39 LightningStrike wrote:

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Well for one I am the real cop and will get you lynched. I not talking to confirmed scum anymore.

Nice firm statement mr president

Palmar

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February 09 2017 22:42 GMT

#98

hint to townies: If I am on a two man mafia team, I would never be the one to claim cop, because there is an inherent "lynch palmar" bias on TL Mafia.

But it's much more fun to talk about who to check. I'm thinking maybe Vivax? I don't like his face? It's stupid?

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 09 2017 22:43 GMT

#99

Fun metagame too, what 2 man team makes LS cc?

Palmar

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February 10 2017 13:16 GMT

#152

On February 10 2017 08:46 Damdred wrote:
Let me say I believe ls here, just because I don't think he has the balls (no offense to ls) to go for the cc in Palmar like that.

This is the worst train of thought.

If mafia doesn't CC me they lose, instantly. It's nothing to do with balls, you just counterclaim, because it's what you have to do.

Palmar

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February 10 2017 13:17 GMT

#153

On February 10 2017 08:57 LightningStrike wrote:

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Because sometimes there is pants on head town like sicklucker who would pull what palmar did as town and so I engaged with otheres and concluded that he's confirmed scum unless he's sicklucker.

I always play 100% logically except when I don't and you know that

aka, "checking if palmar is pants on head retarded" is, by definition, a pointless effort

Palmar

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February 10 2017 13:21 GMT

#154

On February 10 2017 09:31 ritoky wrote:

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for palmar it's in his wheelhouse as a considered play as both cop or mafia, for LS i think it's in his wheelhouse to snap make a yolo reactive play.

It's not just in my wheelhouse. If I had rolled mafia I would have done exactly the same (well I would probably have had my partner make the cc because I'm terrified of the "lynch palmar" bias but alas). But the outcome would be the same. If I'm on the mafia team, mafia does exactly what LS did.

Like it's 100% correct play as cop to claim, so I did it.

It's also 100% correct play as mafia to counterclaim, so I would have.

Palmar

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February 10 2017 13:23 GMT

#155

On February 10 2017 15:17 Malongo wrote:

I am claiming because its unlikely mafia will gamble a hit on me now that

You're a dumbass

please don't do that.

Palmar

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February 10 2017 13:29 GMT

#156

On February 10 2017 16:01 Vivax wrote:
For now we leave the cop claims be and focus on finding the other scum. No I have no idea who it could be yet, nothing jumps at me particularly.

Palmar should both cop claims check the same guy or not?

Neither should claim who they're checking because mafia will prefer shooting the person checked if he is town. I kinda don't wanna explain more until after daybreak (you can remind me to explain on d1), but please just trust me that it's optimal to not announce my check.

Palmar

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February 10 2017 13:31 GMT

#157

On February 10 2017 16:17 Vivax wrote:

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Can you explain what you meant here?

How did you not understand that? Like what is the confusion that caused you to ask that question?

Reason I ask is that to me that looks 100% straightforward, feels like a pointless question.