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Palmar
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On February 15 2017 01:24 Damdred wrote: ##Vote Palmar Palmar and Ritoky not the team I thought originaly but the only one it can be  .look ritoky! we're a team, let's vote together! | ||
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literally both malongo and ritoky can win the game right here if they're mafia by hammering me (3 votes on me), so they're both confirmed town  Everyone is confirmed town, LS and damdred team | ||
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Palmar
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On February 15 2017 01:39 LightningStrike wrote: Or what if Palmar decided to "red check" his partner? this is suicide because there is no way mafia would know ritoky was gonna claim doc. If mafia buses partner with doc and cop alive, mafia loses outright because the doc can guarantee one more check even if the cop doesn't hit red like I did. | ||
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On February 15 2017 01:46 Damdred wrote: I'm glad we can see eye to eye here LS. I hope this is what you think because it is the truth no matter what we have to stick together. rofl | ||
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On February 15 2017 01:46 Rels wrote: That is very false too. Whatever happens, Palmar vs LS needs to be decided at some point, and more checks doesn't change anything. wait right, yeah sorry. Like I keep considering the game from the point of perfect knowledge. You are correct about the palmar vs ls thing. | ||
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On February 15 2017 07:45 Acrofales wrote: I warned pre-game that scum would have to play proactively. that wasn't the problem. As koshi talked about pre-game you basically made a terribly unbalanced game and said "well scum have to play well". I mean, I signed up for it, so I'm not mad, but don't think for a second that this was anything close to a balanced game. We did manage to convince one townie for a time (malongo) but we needed two because ritoky decided to be a hero and save rels. I thought about shooting ritoky or LS (just to go for the big play) but whatever. | ||
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In the end, the host wanted to make a game where town won, so he made a town favored setup and succeeded. For us to win, we needed good play on part of both mafia, and a mistake or two by town. @ritoky, i don't do blue reads and I never, ever have. | ||
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On February 15 2017 18:00 Acrofales wrote: Oooh look, it's nitpick Palmar's posts day. I got one that I commented to Artanis: A town Palmar should know that he does need to convince Rels, however hard that may be. Rels was confirmed town, and the nature of this game is that barring a bus, all of town needs to vote together to kill scum. A few posts later he had corrected himself, and nobody in the game really picked up on it, but it was a small slip in an otherwise convincing lie. Too bad for him that the real cop was quite obviously town :p This is actually just wrong. Let's assume I'm town for a moment, and the real scumteam is LS/Damdred, as is the situation is the same as I was trying to convince people we are in. LS/Damdred/Rels all vote me Ritoky/Malongo/Me all vote mafia LS Here's what would happen, if I was actually town: If there is 1 mafia on each wagon, the mafia that is voting LS would quickly move to vote me, ending the game in a scum victory. There cannot be 2 mafia voting LS, because by definition if I am town, LS is mafia. however in rels world there can be So if we ever reach the stage (3v3) with 2mafia + rels voting me, and 3 townies voting LS, Rels would have to come to the conclusion that he is voting alongside mafia. Obviously the real case was that I was mafia and what would have happened is damdred would quickly move over and hammer LS, ending the game, which was obviously my endgame as Rels picked up on: On February 14 2017 23:40 Rels wrote: if ritoky is town and votes LS Damdred hammers LS and game is lost. That is what Palmar is pushing for HOWEVER: There was no mistake in the worldview that I was pushing. Timeline of what would have happened if I was Town: 1) Rels, LS and Damdred (1 town, 2 mafia, vote Palmar) 2) Palmar convinces ritoky and malongo to vote LS (3 town votes) 3) Stalemate 4) Rels comes to the conclusion (without me convincing him) that one side must have 2 mafia, or otherwise the game ends. 5) Rels needs to make up his mind between the two possible mafia teams (palmar + ritoky) or (ls + damdred). This situation also confirms me town to ritoky. So no, all I had to do was convince ritoky and malongo I was town, that would always lead to rels having to re-evaluate without me having to do anything to really sway him. | ||
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On February 15 2017 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you trying to say that a 3v3 stalemate with 1 mafia in each wagon will convince Rels (when you can just break the stalemate as mafia and win)? I am a bit confused here. No absolutely not. 3v3 with 1 mafia on each wagon, as you pointed out, is by definition not a stalemate, because mafia can just hammer and win. that is precisely WHY the stalemate proves there isn't 1 mafia on each wagon (unless they trolling, in which case... who cares). | ||
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Palmar
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On February 15 2017 19:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh yeah i get it now. While you are right from YOUR perspective (if you were town) I am not sure you are right from Rels' perspective since Rels doesn't know if you are mafia or not (and wants people to not vote hastily). So idk. If you were town, would you have tried to convince Rels the confirmed townie or not? Of course you didn't have to as mafia - but as town, would you or not? What would have been your best play - as town? While technically you are correct Palmar, would you have - as town - "convince Malongo and ritoky and then Rels must see the light"? I am not sure you would. I don't know, if I knew how I behave as town when I'm scum I'd be unreadable. No one is unreadable. I would, I think, in both cases have been trying to convince Rels anyway. Probably in a slightly different tone/enthusiasm, but yeah. | ||
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On February 15 2017 19:09 Rels wrote: oh you're talking about you playing as if you were town. OK. yeah I'm just pointing out why Acrofales is being a dumbass. | ||
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There are several interesting tidbits in the mafia QT: a) I really did not want to be the one claiming cop I have no idea Damdred One thing is for certain, we have to claim cop right away. So unless you're here in the next few minutes I'm doing it. Damdred wasn't around right then, so I went ahead and claimed. b) I magically predicted precisely LS being the other cop: It's probably going to fail hilariously, I will know that it's 100% the best play to claim cop and make an argument out of that, then the other cop will be some idiot who does something stupid and adorable and town will just believe him because a) palmar rolls 95% mafia, and b) stupid and adorable. I'd like to think that if the doc couldn't act on n1, and thus we had freedom to not claim until we had a grasp of the game and maybe some town credit, I would have shot LS, precisely because of the fear that a transparent, naively sounding player that is unlikely to fakeclaim would happen to be the cop. But to be honest, I probably wouldn't have shot LS | ||
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