Newbie Student Mafia XXV

On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:


lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it?

also obligatory vote silverwolf

now onto something i want everyone to answer

are you town?
how long have you played mafia?
do you play elsewhere and if so where?
What is your typical play style?
how do you scumhunt/townhunt?
do you know anyone here that you can read very well?

to answer my own:
yes
about 4-5 years now on and off now
my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver)
kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time
yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions.

On January 06 2017 09:53 Calix wrote:


I'm flagging up this post because I think it's a possible example of an inexperienced scum player struggling to enter the thread. I didn't even notice this dude had posted.

- Using an easy way of entering the thread (via questionnaire thing) to make a post which doesn't tell us anything
- Adds a completely useless question about the vote (the 'obligatory' part pings me here)
- Does nothing afterwards

On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:


so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate

On January 06 2017 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:


nah not being serious, you just had no chill so it was fun to mess with you a bit.

i thought your first post about michael was pretty good so your pretty towny to me.

everyone else is suspect though. especially that kmatt dude

On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.

DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far?

On January 06 2017 10:52 Calix wrote:
I am too tired to bang my head against the wall since it's 2am.

I won't be very active until late afternoon/ evening or so but that doesn't matter. My low-activity play is ten times better than most people's normal play.

Goodnight!

On January 06 2017 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:

This isn't a bastard game silly. You should have offered favors in the pregame like I did.

On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:
Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little?



This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand.

Fend yourself, Foley.

On January 06 2017 11:14 Grackaroni wrote:

I'd say the opposite of this. I think if he was a nervous, inexperienced scum player he would put more effort into trying to make his first post look good.

On January 06 2017 10:27 SilverWolf77 wrote:


I think this is probably a joke, but I actually think scum would likely answer these right off the bat as soon as they got onlie cuz it's a good way to blend in. Town might be more stubborn about not answering them if they don't want to.

On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj?

On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:


Why not 1gu then?

On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:


But you have seen ikas meta yes?

On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:


Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up.

On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:


It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read.

So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage.

So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there.

Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too.

Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia?
Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful.

That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful.
Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play.

On January 06 2017 22:40 ika42 wrote:


is that last part directed at me or vivak? cus you reference me in here but im not sure if its a direct at me due to me being here.

On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:


How does that question have anything to do with your alignment?



Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment.

So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier.

On January 07 2017 02:36 Vivax wrote:


And yours?

On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:


I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot.

There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info.

On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote:
reps)squishy
Made one relevant post and bailed. It's too early to call anyone hard scum on that, but if he doesn't show up soon I'll consider him on the radar.

MichaelEhrmantraut
Well he's not dead but not very alive either. I took forever making this myself so I can't be too rustled over the afk. Just another one passing by, null for now.

ika42
While the questionnaire is still NAI to me, the back and forth with Vivax looked good to me. An easy trap for mafia to fall into is to take any townread they can get. I'll go town here geso

Silverwolf77
I can see why you don't like Vivax's posts, but I don't agree with you enough to vote on him as is. I do like the way you prodded here. Like Vivax said earlier, this looks more like two town bumping into each other.

B0stonSC
I don't like it. I wouldn't be half as bothered if he hadn't come back in to post this



And then leave again doing nothing. The hasty vote looks to me like he's trying to appear useful without having done anything. If I had to commit to a vote now this guy is the perfect balance of afk and dubious, if not scummy.

beentheredonethat
pls

Grackaroni
Still waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently.

If you could weigh in on the situation at hand I'd feel better. Leaning scum but not enough to vote while Boston is here.

KelsierSC
Town enough for me. No one post stands out enough but he hasn't caught my ire. Except that part about doubting me hOW daRe You

Onegu
AFK. Not much more to say here, with the vote being so far off. Too early to call scum.

darthfoley
His posts are decent, but I'd like a read or two this far in. He's clearly kept up with the thread, pointed out posts he did and didn't like, but no conclusions. If you had to place your vote in the next 5 minutes, who would it be? Or who would you call against voting on?

Calix
Nothing groundbreaking either but with how slow the game is I can't fault it too hard. Basically the same as Foley.

Vivax
I don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town.

So to conclude... not a lot. We had one little argument but nothing major came of it. Plenty of time before the vote so hopefully someone says something silly and gets a wagon going [small][small][small][small]other than me[small][small][small][small].

On January 07 2017 05:17 Calix wrote:


No and not really aside from what I pointed out earlier re: town reads which we've discussed. Waiting to see what he does next.

While I'm here, why do you differentiate between noobs and vets in your posts? That's popping up a fair bit in your posts.

Your point on Boston isn't terrible.

On January 07 2017 05:32 Calix wrote:


I see, I see.

What did you get out of kmatt's post in terms of how you read him? There's definitely a lot to discuss there :D

On January 07 2017 05:42 Kmatt wrote:


I don't consider "I like/dislike X post" to be a read if it's not followed by "...and therefore [name] is [town/scum]". You can preface it too if you want; I'm not picky.

On January 07 2017 02:46 darthfoley wrote:


Of the three of you, I liked SW's responses the best. They seem natural and attentive without being scared of making conclusions. I am town reading her

I understand your initial questioning, but I don't like how you play semantics over the B0ston thing. Your first sentence is clearly more than a read imo



It's understandable why people think you're answering for him, indirectly with the "I guess" qualifier. So I don't like that you deflected and then kind of pulled an "OMGUS, the questions I got weren't up to my liking!"

On January 07 2017 05:51 Kmatt wrote:


Okay fair, I did miss the magic word there.

On January 07 2017 05:39 Kmatt wrote:



To preface, the majority of these are gut reads. I probably should have said that first. With how little context I applied to those posts I thought that was assumed.

1) ME came back and at least acknowledged the situation at hand. Still not town but he's at least in the thread, which is more than can be said for a few people. What stuck out with Boston is dropping his vote right away and insisting Grack is scum. If he used that as pressure or a segway into questioning Grack's posts I could get but as soon as he makes that call it's radio silence. Then a little shitpost to remind us how despite not doing anything practical he's still watching the thread.

2) I don't personally scumread Grack, but I can see why Kelsier does. However, were it me in his position (that is to say, scumreading Grack for the same reasons) it wouldn't be a strong enough read to conclude anything. I don't, however, expect Kelsier to play out the game as I would, and I'm aware that people have different D1 strategies, so I'm willing to leave it at that.

3) KSC is more of a gut read. There aren't any major lines of questioning or conclusion I can point to to say "this is why he's town" but the acceptable amount of activity agrees with my gut enough to work with. Specifically that he has a scumread and isn't afraid to show it. You and DF both respond to people's posts, but you never seem to come out with anything other than that you "like" or "dislike" a specific post. I can understand reserving judgement on some people but you can't stay neutral on everyone in the game for much longer.

4) In this case, yes I do.

5) Deal w/ it. One scumread is good enough for me D1, since I only have one vote to use. No point making excess calls.

6) I could push my own reads but between my scumreads being mainly afk and the town quieting down I don't have much to ask. It's not that I won't act unless someone "says something silly", but from nearly every game I've played/watched, the D1 lynch comes down to someone saying something dumb and getting ML'd for it. So far I've either been the one who shoots themselves in the foot or points out the bloody foot. Crazy as it may sound I'm going to avoid actively creating or becoming a mislynch if I can help it.

Yeah my initiative has been weak but like I said above I've not a lot to ask right now. I did try to fish some reads out of DF which kind of worked.

On January 07 2017 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
I think Vivax's posts have been really townie.

Of the active players I think that DF is the most likely one to be scum.

Parts of his opening seem awkward to me like he is trying too hard.



I also think that Vivax may have a point that he could have been trying to push out a read on ika to impress since he said that he didn't like ika making trolly posts and then proceeded to make a few of his own.

On January 07 2017 08:09 Grackaroni wrote:

Perhaps. It just doesn't feel like natural posting to me.

On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote:
Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.

If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.

##vote B0stonSC

On January 07 2017 08:25 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't think Kelsier has been around since then. I like his tone a lot. Kmatt seems fine to me. His reads post doesn't look great but that's pretty much to be expected when all of the reads are still really shallow.

I'd be more curious on watching how Ika and SW read each other since they have an idea of each other's normal play. Right now I assume they're both town. Definitely not a day 1 lynch at the very least.

On January 07 2017 08:36 Calix wrote:


I don't know what you're referring to here since I explicitly said that I didn't care about AFKing on its own.

Who exactly do you want lynched if not Boston or what have you?

On January 07 2017 09:08 Onegu wrote:



that last letter doesnt mean suck... It means scum...

On January 07 2017 09:36 ika42 wrote:


Calix why are you backing down? I find it odd your not being aggressive on this front and instead dropping this

On January 07 2017 09:39 ika42 wrote:


Do yuo have anything that you want me to look into while i catch up? Am i still a null-scum read or such? have you posted a read list on players? if so could you make the post number and ill reference it as i catch up?

On January 07 2017 08:53 Calix wrote:


Yeah and I have a scum-lean on ME although I don't get how he can do worse when he just exists. Actually read my posts so I don't have to repeat myself. I'm tired.

Oh? For what reason?

On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:


yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town.

i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.

I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh.

Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment.

On January 06 2017 20:14 KelsierSC wrote:


I like this approach from vivax. Got Darth in the boat and he's still flopping around.

[b]Darth i'm not looking for a list post from you at this point but do you have something more significant to contribute.[/]

On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:

Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely.

On January 07 2017 09:58 darthfoley wrote:


Regarding Kelsier

I find the beginning of this post particularly awkward



It's a little too much explanation for a town read. Maybe this is unfair of me but he mentions how he should be on tomorrow (today) but I don't think he's posted once today. Real life can be a complicated though so idk.

I also feel like he jumped on Vivax's questioning of me in scum fashion.



He tells me what he's not looking for which is a weird thing to say, while also trying to pressure me by saying in need to contribute something "more significant." Not only is that nebulous and vague, it's also really obvious. Everyone has to contribute meaningful things, and I think it's odd that he would accuse me of not doing that; I have been contributing more than most here. It almost seems like it should be a criticism leveled at someone like B0ston.

The only other thing in his filter is that he doesn't like my "attitude" because of one post where I sounded defensive. That's like, your opinion man. Defensiveness is NAI imo so it's not a great point regardless. He also doesn't actually commit to any sort of read of me which is scummy considering the amount of attention he gives me

On January 07 2017 20:59 cakepie wrote:

Grackaroni (3) : KelsierSC, Kmatt, reps)squishy
B0stonSC (2) : Calix, Onegu
KelsierSC (2) : ika42, darthfoley
Vivax (1) : SilverWolf77

Not voting (5) : B0stonSC, beentheredonethat, Grackaroni, MichaelEhrmantraut, Vivax

Currently, Grackaroni is set to be lynched!

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On January 08 2017 02:56 SilverWolf77 wrote:
I'm dismayed that so few people are actually here and playing or that people are here and then they leave for extended periods of time. It makes the game very difficult to play. Can everyone else who hasn't, give their top three scumreads or who they would be o.k. lynching today?

On January 08 2017 03:22 Grackaroni wrote:

It's because I annoyed a bunch of people.

On January 08 2017 03:11 Calix wrote:
It looks like all the active people have similar opinions so consolidation shouldn't be a problem.

On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit.

So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute.

On January 08 2017 03:53 Vivax wrote:
ME is someone of those who might as well not have signed up as clearly he doesn't like playing this game. Will have to be policied at some point cause he's not a source of information.

Boston has this thing bugging me:



Now it's weekend and he should be playing according to himself.

On January 08 2017 04:10 Vivax wrote:


Kelsier for not seeming to care at this point and his negative comment about the game at the beginning. It's the sort of thing I saw Palmar going after people for and successfully catching mafia with it. So I think it could be a nice heuristic for catching mafia.

Foley for what I posted about him. Doesn't need expanding as it's in my filter.

As for you, I said I don't want to pursue that thought for now as you are still one of the most active players if not the most active player.

On January 08 2017 04:43 Grackaroni wrote:
This guy could be scum.


It doesn't look great that he's joining in on this when he had the exact same general non post based read on Vivax as I had. He should have been able to understand by predicament!

On January 08 2017 04:48 ika42 wrote:


how about you answer it instead of yelling "OMG HES GONNA VOTE ME OFF OPPORTUNISTIC REASONING"

god im in a good mood right now so this makes me laugh

On January 08 2017 05:01 ika42 wrote:


well 2 things:

1) his vote is elsewhere so thats the first
2) i find it that scum would prob be more drive by and almost naked vote large wagon or do vanity but thats jsut me

On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:

The huge case on - B0stonSC

+ Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +


So, first:

This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire.

That's it. Off to a re-read it is:


Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read.
But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say.

Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote:

There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are:

+ Show Spoiler +
This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote.

And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves:



Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass.
But apparently, the guys has caught up:


The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he.

He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that.

His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that.

Promises another reread....


Yeah now it's weekend where are you


I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT
GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM

this guy is scum

On January 08 2017 05:05 Vivax wrote:


Grack shouldn't be up for lynch at all imo. Why do you even think in order of priorities?

On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:

Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it.

On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:


yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town.

i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.

I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh.

Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment.

On January 08 2017 05:25 beentheredonethat wrote:

You shouldn't put too much weight on a townread that I made based on the very first post that Kelsier did in the game.

On January 08 2017 05:41 beentheredonethat wrote:

I thought the point was that you wanted to point out how dumb the thing that ika is doing is. But the way you do it implies hat you think Silverwolf is scum. Or do I read too much into that? (please only answer that if you're not grackaroni)

On January 08 2017 06:06 Grackaroni wrote:
There's no one left here.

I am the Doctor

This claim is very easily counter claimable and well worth it if I am scum. If there is no counter claim then for all intents and purposes I should be confirmed.

Swika town reads all of the people that agree with them and scum reads those that do not. At the rate we are going we will mow through the town.

On January 08 2017 06:09 ika42 wrote:


Not really? Honestly i dont see many people agreeing with us. I see more of it being "well we do our own reason but have same conclusions"

If you want to pull quotes to disprove this go ahead

On January 08 2017 06:22 Vivax wrote:


No there are plenty of instances where VTs claim some PR for whatever reason

On January 08 2017 06:31 Onegu wrote:



You are wrong here by the way. New scum want to look useful. Making a vote on someone is a easy way to do that. But his reason was I was suspicious and he just left it at that. He didnt give reasons just that I was suspicious. TBH I think he was told by his scummates he needed to say his vote was pressure because that is the only reason to make that vote. But it isnt what he said to start.

On January 08 2017 06:39 Onegu wrote:



Not going to lie. That is bad claim timing from either alignment. He wasnt in the vote lead and I think votes were moving away from him...

On January 08 2017 06:50 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think there was anything wrong with the timing of my claim. I believe I was in the vote lead with Silverwolf and ika both voting me. That probably wasn't going to end well for me.

On January 08 2017 06:59 Vivax wrote:
But I'm going to chill and just leave it at that impression cause I feel like I'd be jumping the gun calling you scum just for a single post.

On January 08 2017 07:23 Calix wrote:


A good point. However I think you're overlooking that scum might want to draw out a PR before they die, especially a Protective (means nothing stops scum from killing who they want, after all). People were starting to be wary of a Boston lynch and votes were starting to go on Grack at the time.

On January 08 2017 07:35 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:


So now that you are getting lynched, you changed your vote to me. Beats me.
I hate how spammy this game is especially with Calix and BTDT posting literally single-line posts for 3 pages, its better to not talk than to just spew absolute BS which is what has been happening all game. Also with B0stonSC bandwagon-ing onto someone's scum-read of me, when all I have done is posted thrice.
Also I don't understand why that questionnaire is being used as a way to scum-read me. Everyone who is/isn't town is obviously going to 'Yes' on the town thing. And i absolutely didn't know what to say on the rest of the questions. I am holding my vote until the deadline.

On January 08 2017 07:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Michael, your posts just seem.... off, in a way. I can't put my finger on it, but you seem wrong to me.

Also Grack, it was mostly a gut feeling more than anything else. You were playing stupidly, but it was a town sort of stupidity.

On January 08 2017 08:08 Vivax wrote:


Posts like these make me think you can be town. Just posts mafia doesn't really want to make or see the point of.

On January 08 2017 08:59 Grackaroni wrote:
For my first and final act as confirmed town:

I demand a comprehensive town case on Silverwolf from ika.




The BURDEN OF PROOF has passed to you, my friend. No more excuses! Will you heed the call?

On January 08 2017 09:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Well was worth a try

On January 08 2017 09:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
I didn't believe that claim as I thought it's absolutely dumb to make as town. So I counterclaimed, hoping that it was panicked mafia as he'd been lynched anyways N1.

I'm not the doctor obviously. Good night.

On January 08 2017 12:30 ika42 wrote:


i dont give town points for reaction to a flip

On January 08 2017 19:15 Calix wrote:
That's not what I was hoping to see when I woke up, zzz. In any case, BTDT's 100% dying. Nothing more needs to be said there.




Noting this because you two were pretty adamant that BTDT vs Grack is TvT iirc and I don't get why Grack flipping Medic leads to this change in attitude.

(well actually that's not true but I want to hear your answers first)

On January 09 2017 02:27 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
Can Silverwolf77 figure out how quotes work and edit her posts ?

On January 09 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Well guys. It's very simple. I didn't buy the claim of Doctor so I chose to counterclaim. If it was a fakeclaim => great, scum down! If not - Doc down. Awkward but that was supposed to happen N1 anyways.

So you can go all nuts like "noooes, btdt you scummer" and lynch into the Cop that I am - OR you can chill the fuck out and play this game calmly.

On January 09 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Well guys. It's very simple. I didn't buy the claim of Doctor so I chose to counterclaim. If it was a fakeclaim => great, scum down! If not - Doc down. Awkward but that was supposed to happen N1 anyways.

So you can go all nuts like "noooes, btdt you scummer" and lynch into the Cop that I am - OR you can chill the fuck out and play this game calmly.

On January 09 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Well guys. It's very simple. I didn't buy the claim of Doctor so I chose to counterclaim. If it was a fakeclaim => great, scum down! If not - Doc down. [b]Awkward but that was supposed to happen N1 anyways.[/]

So you can go all nuts like "noooes, btdt you scummer" and lynch into the Cop that I am - OR you can chill the fuck out and play this game calmly.

On January 09 2017 05:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Once I flipped Cop, you guys should really look into the people who

a) said my counter claim would be town (because that's subtle TMI, looking at you here, Vivax) and
b) people who want to see me dead at all cost (see darthfoley)

I think darthfoley and Vivax are scum together and I will get my post-game credits for that along with the "what a bad move to make as town" stuff I'm gonna get for sure :D

On January 09 2017 05:23 beentheredonethat wrote:

Stop trying to misrepresent me. I'm the locked lynch and that's just fine. However, you and Vivax are scum together and I will take post-game cred for this .

On January 08 2017 06:21 B0stonSC wrote:

This is an excellent point, one that I hadn't considered. I'll keep reading with this in mind.

Also update on a few reads, Vivax and Michael seem off to me still, but I can't put my finger on it.

On January 09 2017 05:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
Don't waste D2, guys. It's important to not give those 48 hours just because I'm locked.

On January 09 2017 07:53 beentheredonethat wrote:




I agree with Vivax. Here's a TMI:

"Recognize the time stamps, there is a 13 minute difference. He is focusing on irrelevant things, and was around to respond to BTDT but ignored it"
He basically says: "onegu is scum because he did not respond to BTDT". That would mean that BTDT is town. He can only know that if he's scum.

On January 09 2017 09:22 reps)squishy wrote:


I am now leaning btdt as town.
@Onegu: do you still stand by this statement?

On January 09 2017 09:35 SilverWolf77 wrote:


I can.

On January 09 2017 09:36 Kmatt wrote:


He's full of shit. I'm the vig and I blew my load on Vivax. Thought I was being clever but apparently all his shpeal about not surviving the night was true for more than one reason.

On January 09 2017 09:50 Kmatt wrote:


We were all gonna vote him anyway. Seems like a waste of a shot.

On January 09 2017 09:53 SilverWolf77 wrote:
One thing that bothers me is if we have a vig and they got their shot off, and the doc is dead, why is there only one kill?

Did scum also go for Vivax or did they mess up and not submit a kill? If scum is all new people or not active, that could be the case. I do find it odd that Vivax would be a scum kill given all of the people scumreading him but I guess it's possible they shot him as well.

On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:


You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies.
But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them.
Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer.
But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported.



Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that.
Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely.

On January 09 2017 10:29 Kmatt wrote:
It was a gamble. If I hit scum!Vivax we pull a double kill. If I whiff and kill a town alongside mafia we're doubly in the hole. With the double whiff from both parties we basically broke even since now the game is as if I was a VT. The alternative is, as you said, take the easy shot and play the game out normal. I went for the jackpot and came back empty handed.

On January 09 2017 10:48 Calix wrote:


I don't think your concerns are unreasonable given that Grack and Vivax were both town. However I'm not seeing anything in your post that suggests one/ both of them are doing this on purpose as opposed to townies who were just wrong on D1. It's typical of them to tag-team their scum-reads from my experience. As it stands, it's counterproductive to tinfoil this early. Not that this has ever stopped you, of course.

I'm sounding like a stodgy teacher here with lecturing but it's almost 2am, I kinda want to sleep and I think town needs a kick up the arse. Half the posts since Vivax's death have been NKA WIFOM, role speculation WIFOM and BTDT votes.

On January 10 2017 04:42 Calix wrote:


I didn't read his emotional response as "idgaf" since he literally goes "lynch ika then me"

On January 08 2017 06:09 ika42 wrote:


Not really? Honestly i dont see many people agreeing with us. I see more of it being "well we do our own reason but have same conclusions"

If you want to pull quotes to disprove this go ahead

On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote:
rep is partner trying to save grak.

calling it now

On January 10 2017 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout

On January 10 2017 07:34 Kmatt wrote:
I'm going through filters now and it just occurred to me that KSC made his last post on the 6th. If he doesn't make three posts within this cycle he gets modkilled IIRC. I can't say how long the line for Subway is but you need to pick your topping and get the hell in this thread.

On January 11 2017 04:55 reps)squishy wrote:


[b]I do not like his motives for voting the 4th person. I took it seriously because he did lay down a vote because of that reasoning. So I criticized it. I don't want other people following this hoopla. I was also worried Grack's "I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him" meant other people were following Kelsiers unorthodox logic.

I did take 1gu's VT claim to heart until I found out it is NAI.

Having suspicions and not saying they are AI is scummy? I don't equate suspicions to AI. That is my own opinion if you don't agree, let us agree to disagree, because the last thing we need is an argument over semantics.