EPTWell as long as this game doesn't have Elves that can cross an entire map in a single night.
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[T] Dota 2 Mafia
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Well as long as this game doesn't have Elves that can cross an entire map in a single night. /in | ||
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Looking over my PM I can tell that I do not. Just gunna pass out and leave this for the morning. | ||
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Not sure I want to say much about my role, not sure how important that info is just yet. I did want to get my thoughts down about the setup, or my theory about the setup I guess since there really isn't much info in the OP and it's really anyone's guess. It looks like Radient vs Dire doesn't translate to Town vs Mafia. I'd also bet that there are more than one non-town faction, mostly kus it makes the game more interesting to have a couple of small scum factions than one 5-6 person mafia team vs however many town. Unfortunately I only have my experience from PyP to draw from, and while I'd bet that there are some broad similarities I don't want to taint my expectations too much by relating to that game. Having said that I think the general strategy of trying to stay organized and working together to determine what everyone is doing is pretty solid. What's going to be weird is that I'm not sure if mafia get standard kills as night (they probably do though) or if all deaths but the day lynch happen due to HP hitting 0. So with all that in mind I'm going to downplay my usual strat of finding town first and then mafia from PoE and try something a little different. If I'm correct that there are multiple scum factions then mafia are harder to find due to them having their own scum hunting to do and so standard scum hunting gets a bit less reliable. Bit of a ramble, but I felt like getting that down before getting into the game proper. Looks like I have quite a bit or reading ahead of me... not gunna promise that I get it done in one sitting but I'll make sure I get caught up tonight. #promisesofthingstocome | ||
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On October 20 2016 09:19 Hopeless1der wrote: i'm comfortable omgus'ing ritoky atm. I'd be inclined towards advertising defensives only, but aside from that I dont think telling mafia where we're aiming is a good thing. We cant claim specific abilities so trying to coordinate is liable to leave us even more clueless. Just an all around bad time if we go down that road imo. This might be the first post that give me distinct townfeels. Kinda joke fighting with Rit and I like his mindset in regards to iam's question. Also a good time to point out that iam's posts up to this point give me the heebies, though I'm interested to see if the trend continues and he also gives me the geebies. More on that as it develops. | ||
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He started off serious, seemed like maybe he was trying to talk through what the best way to play was and even pushed GB about it a bit. I kinda liked the start, but notice he quickly left the question open for others to fill in. Once there were people around and chatting his direction dissapears and he's just chatting. Seems pretty clear he isn't actually interested in getting town to organize as he both leaves it open if thats even the best strat and drops the thought as soon as people start chatting about other stuff. | ||
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On October 20 2016 10:46 ExO_ wrote: Hello all. I hate day 1 but I'll be here. I'm ready for all the baseless analysis that always goes on. I have not really read the thread yet, but the first thing I notice is: For those that aren't aware he's referencing the hero dazzle, who has an ability called shadow wave. Dazzle also has an ability called shadow grave, which prevents people from dying. So to anybody who's vaguely familiar with dota, he's basically coming out immediately and claiming some form of doctor. I don't think the doc should come in and announce themselves right away. This looks hella scummy to me. I'm really confused by this. Him really vuagly hinting that he might be a protective role is scummy, but you straight out saying he is claiming doc here and thus outing him to everyone is.... ? Actually I really doubt scum posts something like this, Exo is prob town. I'm gunna enjoy looking for scum in the reactions to this post though... | ||
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It's a shame really... | ||
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On October 20 2016 12:09 Tictock wrote: Well I was sorta questioning if I had the energy tonight to get going on this... Looking over my PM I can tell that I do not. Just gunna pass out and leave this for the morning. Heh, caught up to this post. Glad I didn't bother reading this TvT shitshow last night. Really doubt any of Exo, Hopeless, or Wave are scum based on their arguing. Iam still most likely scum. | ||
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On October 20 2016 12:46 Bill Murray wrote: ok i just read through page 18 and here we are with exo outting a character with healing / protection spells 1) this doesnt mean exo is mafia 2) this doesnt mean waveofshadow is town the way this game works, mafia will definitely have healing/protection abilities on their support dazzles overpowered ass would fit mafia support perfectly to be honest ##Vote: WaveofShadow I kinda like this post. Also glad to see you back BM, I felt pretty bad about how our last game went. Can't do much against a stubborn Rayn being smooth talked by a scum!Rels though... | ||
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On October 20 2016 16:05 Holyflare wrote: ##vote ritoky The gif to try hard ratio is askew. This is super weak, not like I have high expectations for HF though... Still, this is REALLY weak. Also I rather disagree. | ||
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On October 20 2016 17:23 ptmc wrote: I agree with that, yes. Imo, he should just have stuck with his claim and it might have been useful to town (if he is town). Like this, it definitely doesn't help town. I'm not sure if your idea of him wanting to use the doctor claim late game really was his reasoning, but I fail to see a good reasoning anyhow. ## Vote WaveofShadow Dislike this post. Way too passive, doesn't seem to have an opinion of his own. Iam, HF, ptmc Starting to get a good slew of scum reads. | ||
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Kinda dislike Dandel's return on pg 23 but not sure I want to add him to my list. Oh I'm also liking this Acro dude. I said I wasn't going to focus on townreads but I'm feeling pretty good about the few I'm getting so far. In regards to the whole WoS claiming thing... idk it all feels overblown to me. I think he started making the other "claims" kinda as a joke after Exo made his entrance. I guess it's possible he's scum, but I'm not really seeing it. | ||
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On October 20 2016 19:35 Acrofales wrote: Lol. Ignores 15 pages of thread. Votes with throwaway justification. You scum bro? Wonder why this caught your attn but HF's post didn't... On October 20 2016 16:05 Holyflare wrote: ##vote ritoky The gif to try hard ratio is askew. | ||
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On October 20 2016 20:06 Acrofales wrote: My spreadsheet has too many lurkers. My favourites for lynching: And a general policy lynch for: Nevermind. | ||
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Been reading a bit when I had the chance so up to pg 36 at this point. Not much new though, way too much shit posting going on. Yea I'm looking at you Dandel... Most of your posts looks like you are shit posting for the hell of it. Smells like scum playing the "I'm too scummy to be scum" card imo. Need to catchup and possibly filter a few people like Koshi before I can feel like I have much of any read on them. I like the pressure BTDT is trying to build though. | ||
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On October 21 2016 00:09 Dandel Ion wrote: i he keeps being afk and we attempt to policy kill a town HF mafia stacking kp on him is benificial to our goals (aka they won't) if he doesnt thats way better if hes mafia and they protect him somehow we can just lynch him i dont see the downside tbh if everyone just basic attacks a different guy we'll never get enough damage together to flip a guy Bah I should stop posting till I've caught up, I hate having to go back on stuff I've just posted... This is actually a pretty good post from Dandel. | ||
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On October 21 2016 00:57 sicklucker wrote: if you control kp you also get more days and more lynches. Its super standard I have played more themed games then everyone here probably. You share information and know whats going on rather then chaos. A fist is stronger then a finger. Of course you need good leaders and good followers. and Im definitely not the man for the job Heh, I like the analogy. I agree that stacking attacks on someone is a great strat. It's silly to assume right off that mafia have something like a Bus Driver, and this is actually a great way to find out if they do. It sounds like a great way to get some info regardless of the outcome. There is one flaw in the event of a Bus Driver though that SL is overlooking (otherwise I agree with his posts) and it's that there is nothing to prevent scum from swapping a lurker for a good town so just kus someone gets swapped doesn't 100% mean they are scum. So while there are potential downfalls I think in the long run stacking some attacks is almost always going to give town more info and will put extra pressure on lurkers/scum. I'm for it. Having said that I'm sure people will target who they please for the most part, and having everyone attack one target might be a waste. So the idea of having 3-4 people as targets is prob the way to go. | ||
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On October 21 2016 01:40 Acrofales wrote: It's morning. Tick... tock... where are you? My sleep schedule has never been normal, and right now it's incredibly fucked up. Fear not, it just means you'll see me around at pretty much all points of the day if I live long enough. | ||
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On October 21 2016 03:29 beentheredonethat wrote: im not liking sicklucker That's normal. I'd bet money he is town though. | ||
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On October 21 2016 05:34 ritoky wrote: town is something like: ritoky holyflare iamp btdt exo ptmc kurumi hopeless dandel wos I really dislike this list... Putting yourself on top is such a dick move. Also you put almost everyone I'm considering to be scum atm in this list. And clearly missed some obv town. | ||
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Starting to think HF might have a point about Rit, that townlist post bothered me but even moreso in how he is refusing to engage HF but asking other people their opinion of HF's read. Ptmc is seeming like the best lynch to me atm. I already noted some stuff, and the only thing he has brought to the table is a very poorly based meta-read on Lunatic. Koshi I could go either way on, maybe even slightly scum reading at this point as he's mostly just defended himself and posted drivel. Iam is still on my mind as well, but I kinda want to review his filter. Kurumi is kinda in the same boat because of the weird way he was defending HF when there was only one post from HF. I think there is almost for sure scum somewhere in Iam, Kurumi, HF, and Rit but it's kinda a mess. Ignoring the non-posters (and a few super low volume posters) the people I mentioned here are who I am considering lynching atm. I'll make a better list when I'm actually caught up which should be in a couple hours. | ||
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On October 21 2016 12:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Also interesting to note Lord Tolkien is nowhere in your list. I actually remember a game where someone forgot to include someone else in a list and it ended up being crucial somehow. Tictoc was it you in our scum game a million years ago? I feel like it was. Pretty sure I've never played as scum with you. | ||
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On October 21 2016 12:38 ExO_ wrote: Can we just clear it up then, why did you open the way you did? Was there a reason for fake claiming a protective role or what? Don't just be hostile and dismissive towards me, work with me a bit I'm amazed you are still on this dude. Like actually starting to think this is either a forced tunnel or you have literally no clue what kind of game this is. You had to read into that initial post a fair bit to come up with "Wave is soft claiming Doc" he never really claimed. There is also so much more to read into yet you keep bringing this one thing up that tbh, you kinda fabricated yourself. | ||
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On October 21 2016 13:03 ritoky wrote: give a read on me Aww Rit (initially read this as a cry for attn) Honestly I was thinking you were solid town until I saw you put HF (and a few others, but w/e) into your town list. Given that HF has been pushing you for a pretty silly meta-reason and you basically gave no reaction to that nor did you try to engage HF about it feels really off to me. Like if you are town then either HF is scum trying to lynch you so you push back, or you think he is mistaken town and try to talk to him. Instead you basically ignored HF and give him an easy townread? | ||
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On October 21 2016 14:07 Lord Tolkien wrote: Wave: pls, KP can do what they want, it's a free game Pls. My list isn't there to whore for town-cred. I just don't want to bother learning new player metas, because this site is all about the meta. Which reminds me, have I actually played with you in mafia, or just dota. This is really not true, though some players play like meta is king. Meta will actually bite you in the ass as often as it will help you. You can't avoid using some meta because it's hard to ignore stuff that stands out with players you are experienced with. Relying on meta solely is a cop out though, and you should feel bad for limiting yourself to such shit play. | ||
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On October 21 2016 14:13 GlowingBear wrote: I think Holyflare might be town because he thought ritoky might be mafia for the forced funny gifs I think Acrofales might be town, I liked his answer to me. But sometimes I don't like his answer because it felt evasive, then I think he is mafia. But that answer was genuine so he might be town Meh Holy shit GB playing the game? ![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/10/tim-and-eric-mind-blown.gif) Err I mean, glad to see ya GB ^.^ + Show Spoiler + I kinda hate that I have a really bad townread on you already | ||
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On October 21 2016 14:45 ritoky wrote: Has GB changed since I have been gone? That is not how he used to get his HF read. Last few games I've seen GB in he has been extremely lackluster and hardly played. I guess he's all important with some RL job or w/e... Sadly this kinda fits his townplay of late. On October 21 2016 14:48 ritoky wrote: To clarify, I have been mafia with him before and in the QT he says "I am going to rumble with HF, call him mafia or disagree with him cuz that's how I normally get a read on him." I have also seen him many times as town just fight with HF even if he doesn't believe it just to get his HF read. Passively agreeing with him seems different. Leaning toward bad different. So you think he is scum with HF? | ||
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On October 21 2016 14:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and the best BEST part about the KP stacking plan is, I don't really think I care much if everyone is coordinated on it or not. The important part is damage claiming, and I will say right now, if you hide how much damage you take at the end of the phase, you get lynched because there is ZERO reason for town to hide that info. (Note i say 'how much damage you took,' not how much HP you have left. Vital difference in useful info for scum/town) It would be very nice if we could eliminate some of the unknowns/chaff with this though. Just reposting this kus it's absolutely true. You should listen to this advice regardless of what you think about Wave's alignment. | ||
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On October 21 2016 17:16 Acrofales wrote: Good morning. I crashed and am now awake and heading to work. Rather than pick the usual suspects, I am focusing on my acquaintances: and H1 was null in my sheet, so I opened that filter up. I think there's a good chance he's the best chance we have so far at lynching scum d1, and here's why: He has done nothing of consequence. Scum H1 is a worse lurker than town H1, and the lurk is pretty bad in this one. Looks like a scum slip. Town doesn't win the game ever by lurking until lylo. Let's kill him. Not just because of this, but because his entire filter is a big pile of trash. Here's another gem: Except that he didn't publicly out the doctor. Relying on scum being stupid and ignorant is never going to be a winning strategy, so this is just throwing shade. After that he flip-flops on ExO_ a bit before he backpedals and soft-coaches ExO_. He then claims and fucks off for 20hrs. His re-entry is to do nothing and promise to play today. There's a chance this is all just uncertain townie trying to figure it out, but it just doesn't feel that way to me. Add that to the lurk and I really want to murder H1. Let's do it! ##vote: hopeless1der I don't think Hopeless ever called Exo scum, he was just pointing out the irony of Exo's initial post about Wave. I vulgarly recall having a slight townlean on Hopeless, but I can't recall why now. I'll make a note to look at him again later. | ||
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On October 21 2016 17:55 ritoky wrote: Also, the bolded alone might make TT mafia. Lol come at me. Not impressed that you can call yourself town. | ||
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On October 21 2016 18:07 Vivax wrote: Hi, don't mind me. I'm just fulfilling the minimum requirement to not get modkilled. Low priority was tough. I'm sure you already deducted from my voluminous filter that I'm obviously town. Here's a token vote on the scummiest person in the thread: ##Vote: Vivax FTFY | ||
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On October 21 2016 20:14 beentheredonethat wrote: Dandel's filter still empty and shit :/ I'm actually liking his posts more and more. He kinda reminds me of me actually if I hadn't started off super far behind, trolly for the first half of the phase but gets into it as the game goes on. | ||
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Still think ptmc is a solid lynch, but Vivax is pretty good too. Actually Vivax might be better kus he clearly picked Rels due to him only having one post which means he's at least put some effort into reading the game but that's all he's got is "lynch Rels" and easy townreads. Speaking of Rels... not sure what to do with him. He is a pretty capable player as either alignment so him making that one throwaway post is pretty odd. Was gunna say something about expecting him to replace out if he was town and has no time to play, but then I realized that might be even more true if he was scum... Yea idk what I want to do with his slot. Still think the stuff between Rit and HF is weird. Besides the stuff I said about Rit earlier I'm pretty inclined to townread him though, whereas nothing I've seen from HF makes me think he is town. Which brings me back to Kurumi (I think I spelled his name right) and his weird hard-on for HF. I'm not sure scum makes all those wierd list posts though. Still want to review Iam. Everything I've seen from him is well within standard scum play imo and despite liking his posting more as time goes on I can't shake my initial impression. LT is another person I'm considering as scum. I don't think he's really said anything other than "fuck the people I don't know" to which I respond "well fuck you too" Oh and Koshi, can't forget Koshi. I'm really far from townreading Koshi i just want to lynch other people more... which honestly probably means Koshi is scum. Like that feeling is pretty much exactly why he's skated by his last few scum games. | ||
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On October 21 2016 20:45 Acrofales wrote: Oh man. You see, lurking works. I totally forgot that shit was in the game. Add him to the list of loonie, gb, hazbro, vivax and tubesock. Man, town lurkies need to step it up, because all of those look like shit atm, and they can't all be scum. Right? Given recent games... they could all actually be town. For some reason town has been slacking on this site lately and handing mafia easy wins. Still gotta deal with them somehow though which is pretty shitty if they do turn out to be town. I feel pretty good about Hama's posts though, and possibly Tube's as well. You can still read low volume people imo, though it prob requires more effort than it's worth sometimes. Besides not posting much is there anything that actually strikes you as scummy about them? I kinda hate to admit that I kinda read GB as town as well, it's mostly meta though so pretty shit. | ||
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was actually gunna take a break here anyways. Initial reaction is kinda meh. On the one hand that's a decent bit of effort to put that post together and track what people have been doing. On the other he's really only rating people by how "productive" they are which essentially means low posters = scum. Ehh thats not really fair there is a bit more going on in those reads, I guess I'm just not agreeing with some of them. Will come back to this. In the meantime, @ptmc: Have you played on this site before? or anywhere else? | ||
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On October 21 2016 21:05 ptmc wrote: and do we even know how many mafia there are? No we don't. Best guess (imo) is 2 teams of 3, but could maybe be like 4 scum, 2 "neutral" (creeps?) or something. Given 24 players I think ~6 scum is reasonable. | ||
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On October 21 2016 21:19 ptmc wrote: This is my second game, i played in the last newbie game. The reads for low content could easily change, if good content comes from those players. Anything specific you disagree with? Holy shit, I'm not sure how I forgot you were in that game. Guess it's just been awhile. Humm, you were a pretty easy townread in that game but not really here. Still I guess the stuff that bugged me early on makes a bit more sense now. I'll look at your list post again later in some detail, but def don't want to lynch you anymore. I think that list post shows you are making some decent effort and I recall you doing something like it in the last game too. Even without that I'm pretty confident you'll be really easy to read given a bit more time. | ||
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Yea but I know there is an hour resolution period, wasn't sure if that was what the timers were for or if they were marking the EoD. Well I'm over 10 pages behind and not going to scramble to read shit. Can someone direct me to the case on me, or give me the TLDR version? | ||
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On October 22 2016 04:52 Holyflare wrote: Amazing, this is the first time you're actually on the current page in the game. Incredibly convenient. Your an ass. I got caught up before. | ||
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On October 22 2016 04:55 iamperfection wrote: 10 pages should take like 10 min to read they aren't very long posts So no your not even willing to drop me a line? Noted, I guess I'll scramble. It sounds like HF made a case though, I'll look for that. | ||
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On October 22 2016 04:18 Vivax wrote: This also makes TT probs mafia: Notice his opinion on ritoky. Doesn't seem that sure that he's town, right? Yet when he gives his reasons for voting for me: My townreads were: Iamp, ritoky among these. And I just don't see TT having them as easy townreads like he claims mine were. Which is to prove further that his reason to suspect me is construed. I pretty clearly meant "easy townreads" as in you dropped a bunch of name without anything to back it up. My scumread on you was that you clearly had some notion of what was going on in the game (Rels had made one post so was "the worst player") yet you had nothing to say. That's a pretty clear disconnect imo. Glanced at one post from HF about me (was quoted on the same page as that quote from Vivax) not sure if it's "the case" but it looks like a shit ton of misrepresentation of what I've done/said thus far. Like my last post on pg 63-64 was pretty clear that I didn't want to lynch ptmc anymore. Honestly HF's case looks like the same sort of drivil he pushed me for when he was scum a few games ago with Palmar and Koshi. Mostly just says he disagrees or thinks differently from me and then misrepresents half of what I've said. | ||
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On October 22 2016 05:10 Holyflare wrote: irrelevant, it took a giant towny list post for you to "change your mind" but your changing your mind was MASSIVE hedging, you didn't even WANT to commit to a read on him you just hedged like crazy fuck and said "Oh well we'll see later". Not at all, and this is exactly what I meant with misrepresenting shit I've said. [QUOTE]On October 21 2016 22:36 Tictock wrote: [QUOTE]On October 21 2016 21:19 ptmc wrote: This is my second game, i played in the last newbie game. The reads for low content could easily change, if good content comes from those players. Anything specific you disagree with?[/QUOTE] Holy shit, I'm not sure how I forgot you were in that game. Guess it's just been awhile. Humm, you were a pretty easy townread in that game but not really here. Still I guess the stuff that bugged me early on makes a bit more sense now. I'll look at your list post again later in some detail, but def don't want to lynch you anymore. I think that list post shows you are making some decent effort and I recall you doing something like it in the last game too. Even without that I'm pretty confident you'll be really easy to read given a bit more time.[/QUOTE] Notice how I ended with conclusions? Sure it's not "Oh of course, silly me he's town" but it's not hedging at all. | ||
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I'll read what I can and make a post before deadline. More than likely though just go back to my post where I talked about the people I'm sus of, take out ptmc, and look at those people. I'm sure there is mafia in Iam, Rit, and HF. If I'm right about there being more than one scum team it's possible they all are. Don't be fooled by basic level participation, look for actual thought that makes sense. My gut says Rit is the most likely town of the 3. Never lynch these people: 7 sicklucker 8 beentheredonethat 9 ExO_ 13 Bill Murray 14 Acrofales 20 Hopeless1der (kinda Yolo read on this one) 21 Dandel Ion 22 WaveofShadow 23 GlowingBear (also a bit Yolo, but I do think he is town) Also these guys are probably town but I'm not sure 17 ptmc 18 Kurumi Lynch these guys 3 Vivax 4 Holyflare 15 Koshi (probably) 24 Lord Tolkien 6 iamperfection I've gone back and forth on iam, I think the first point I made on him is pretty strong actually and nothing since has been much more than surface level shit. Could be wrong, but he was almost as much of an ass to me as HF so lynch with fire. | ||
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On October 22 2016 05:30 beentheredonethat wrote: Let's shennanie onto HamazuraXTakitsubo (Taco Bell guy) He scumreads Kurumi and Lunatic which at the point he does it is exactly what people currently are all about. He never followed up on Hopeless although he "gave him scum vibes". He's been doing a lot of role guessing ("TPro", "looks like a jester") which looks like a role hunting mindset. Wants to policy lynch Dandel for shitposting but in the end says he's got a "neutral" stance towards him. Then, he scumreads sicklucker for reaons that HF brought up but also doesn't follow up. Settles down, long story short, on Kurumi and Lunatic which is boring and following thread sentiment. He has 2 pages of filter and has voted so he's likely to not get replaced today. I think we should shennanie here. ##unvote ##vote HamazuraXTakitsubo Nah don't lynch that guy, I think he's pretty likely to be town. Koshi or Vivax are better shenannies since nobody ever has the balls to lynch HF, who is pretty likely ot be mafia imo. | ||
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On October 22 2016 05:41 Vivax wrote: TT why did you treat my vote on Rels as if it was serious? I literally chose a random guy with the same amount of filter as me to be even more ridiculous and your argument was that I read the thread and yet did nothing. I read a bit of thread this morning, enough to form the townreads that followed in the actual serious post. So I don't see your argument. It was that I only formed townreads (which you didn't inquire about), and that I voted Rels. What is your argument now? You make 2 posts well over halfway through the phase, why should I just assume they are jokes? My argument was exactly that you had enough knowledge of the game to pickout Rels but had nothing else to comment on. | ||
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Looking at my wagon it's like all my scumreads ganged up on me, go figuer. Well w/e, GL town. | ||
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On October 22 2016 05:54 Bill Murray wrote: I called tictock out when he had 1 post ... then he instantly came into the thread and posted within an hour of me calling him out. People defended him so I backed off , but I never wanted to back off. I said it was meta , well no. He posted different than I remember I've been fooled by this line of thought before too. It's the evils of confirm bias. Coincidences happen. | ||
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On October 22 2016 05:59 sicklucker wrote: well ticktock is dead rip you were nice. I kind of expect you to play nice with me if your mafia tho so have expecting a mafia flip Nah I learned to read you. | ||
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Only mildly salty about getting lynched first still, though it turns out my reads were pretty shit so I guess it's all good. | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Bleh I hate missing the postgame talk. I guess everybody got it all out in the 53 obs threads though I thought you played really well, though I only read about 10% of this game. Actually I thought you and BM were the most obv town people D1. | ||
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