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Hello all. I hate day 1 but I'll be here. I'm ready for all the baseless analysis that always goes on. I have not really read the thread yet, but the first thing I notice is:
On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.
Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k?
For those that aren't aware he's referencing the hero dazzle, who has an ability called shadow wave. Dazzle also has an ability called shadow grave, which prevents people from dying. So to anybody who's vaguely familiar with dota, he's basically coming out immediately and claiming some form of doctor.
I don't think the doc should come in and announce themselves right away. This looks hella scummy to me.
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*ebwop shallow grave not shadow grave
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On October 20 2016 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 10:46 ExO_ wrote:Hello all. I hate day 1 but I'll be here. I'm ready for all the baseless analysis that always goes on. I have not really read the thread yet, but the first thing I notice is: On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.
Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k? For those that aren't aware he's referencing the hero dazzle, who has an ability called shadow wave. Dazzle also has an ability called shadow grave, which prevents people from dying. So to anybody who's vaguely familiar with dota, he's basically coming out immediately and claiming some form of doctor. I don't think the doc should come in and announce themselves right away. This looks hella scummy to me. Oh the irony
What do you mean exactly?
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On October 20 2016 10:50 iamperfection wrote:
the fact that you would point it out
Why wouldn't I point it out? I'm sure I'm not the only player here who is familiar with dota, and can realize what he's alluding to. And this early basically coming out and claiming it, is something doctor wouldn't do. Which means in my view he's lying, and I want him to explain it.
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On October 20 2016 10:51 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 10:50 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 20 2016 10:46 ExO_ wrote:Hello all. I hate day 1 but I'll be here. I'm ready for all the baseless analysis that always goes on. I have not really read the thread yet, but the first thing I notice is: On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.
Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k? For those that aren't aware he's referencing the hero dazzle, who has an ability called shadow wave. Dazzle also has an ability called shadow grave, which prevents people from dying. So to anybody who's vaguely familiar with dota, he's basically coming out immediately and claiming some form of doctor. I don't think the doc should come in and announce themselves right away. This looks hella scummy to me. Oh the irony What do you mean exactly? The part where you publicly outed the "doctor". This is a heavily themed and power-heavy game btw.
Because I do not believe for a second he's the doctor
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On October 20 2016 10:51 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 10:50 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 20 2016 10:46 ExO_ wrote:Hello all. I hate day 1 but I'll be here. I'm ready for all the baseless analysis that always goes on. I have not really read the thread yet, but the first thing I notice is: On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.
Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k? For those that aren't aware he's referencing the hero dazzle, who has an ability called shadow wave. Dazzle also has an ability called shadow grave, which prevents people from dying. So to anybody who's vaguely familiar with dota, he's basically coming out immediately and claiming some form of doctor. I don't think the doc should come in and announce themselves right away. This looks hella scummy to me. Oh the irony What do you mean exactly? The part where you publicly outed the "doctor". This is a heavily themed and power-heavy game btw.
What does that mean btw? I get that its themed but what do you mean by power-heavy?
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On October 20 2016 10:57 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 10:55 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 10:50 iamperfection wrote:
the fact that you would point it out Why wouldn't I point it out? I'm sure I'm not the only player here who is familiar with dota, and can realize what he's alluding to. And this early basically coming out and claiming it, is something doctor wouldn't do. Which means in my view he's lying, and I want him to explain it. crumbing doctor isnt a thing? btw, I'm a doctor. not really, im like a paranoid remorseful nurse.
Crumbing would be like walking into a bar wearing a dark coat and sitting in a shadowy corner, leaving a note on a table. What he's doing is just short of bursting open the doors to the bar, stark naked announcing he has arrived.
It doesn't necessarily mean he's not town, but I do think he is lying. Unless he's just really dumb (in my opinion)
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On October 20 2016 11:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 11:00 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 10:57 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 20 2016 10:55 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 10:50 iamperfection wrote:
the fact that you would point it out Why wouldn't I point it out? I'm sure I'm not the only player here who is familiar with dota, and can realize what he's alluding to. And this early basically coming out and claiming it, is something doctor wouldn't do. Which means in my view he's lying, and I want him to explain it. crumbing doctor isnt a thing? btw, I'm a doctor. not really, im like a paranoid remorseful nurse. Crumbing would be like walking into a bar wearing a dark coat and sitting in a shadowy corner, leaving a note on a table. What he's doing is just short of bursting open the doors to the bar, stark naked announcing he has arrived. It doesn't necessarily mean he's not town, but I do think he is lying. Unless he's just really dumb (in my opinion) he is a lol player
So a big problem is how familiar he is with dota. I think it would be stupid to claim doctor right away as I said, but assuming he's town why fake claim? He would have to know enough about dota to know wave of shadow is a dazzle spell, and that dazzle also has the shallow grave spell, which would lead someone to draw the conclusion that he is the doctor.
hmmm idk. I do think he's lying, but if he isn't super knowledgeable about dota it would give a little bit of support to the idea that he was telling the truth.
I'm a bit conflicted now. He's either lying or really dumb town. And I think if he's lying he's more likely to be scum lying.
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On October 20 2016 11:08 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 11:07 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 11:01 iamperfection wrote:On October 20 2016 11:00 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 10:57 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 20 2016 10:55 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 10:50 iamperfection wrote:
the fact that you would point it out Why wouldn't I point it out? I'm sure I'm not the only player here who is familiar with dota, and can realize what he's alluding to. And this early basically coming out and claiming it, is something doctor wouldn't do. Which means in my view he's lying, and I want him to explain it. crumbing doctor isnt a thing? btw, I'm a doctor. not really, im like a paranoid remorseful nurse. Crumbing would be like walking into a bar wearing a dark coat and sitting in a shadowy corner, leaving a note on a table. What he's doing is just short of bursting open the doors to the bar, stark naked announcing he has arrived. It doesn't necessarily mean he's not town, but I do think he is lying. Unless he's just really dumb (in my opinion) he is a lol player So a big problem is how familiar he is with dota. I think it would be stupid to claim doctor right away as I said, but assuming he's town why fake claim? He would have to know enough about dota to know wave of shadow is a dazzle spell, and that dazzle also has the shallow grave spell, which would lead someone to draw the conclusion that he is the doctor. hmmm idk. I do think he's lying, but if he isn't super knowledgeable about dota it would give a little bit of support to the idea that he was telling the truth. I'm a bit conflicted now. He's either lying or really dumb town. And I think if he's lying he's more likely to be scum lying. no i was just saying he is a lol player so he probably is dumb. i saw an opportunity to make a lol joke and i took it.
Oh. Well what I'm saying still stands.
WaveOfShadow how familiar with dota are you? And why are you lying about implying doc?
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Okay so WoS is literally just posting garbage in the the thread. He's not trying to have a discussion, he's posting trolly stuff. I think he's scum and scrambling right now from a really dumb fake claim.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
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On October 20 2016 11:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 11:09 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 11:08 iamperfection wrote:On October 20 2016 11:07 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 11:01 iamperfection wrote:On October 20 2016 11:00 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 10:57 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 20 2016 10:55 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 10:50 iamperfection wrote:
the fact that you would point it out Why wouldn't I point it out? I'm sure I'm not the only player here who is familiar with dota, and can realize what he's alluding to. And this early basically coming out and claiming it, is something doctor wouldn't do. Which means in my view he's lying, and I want him to explain it. crumbing doctor isnt a thing? btw, I'm a doctor. not really, im like a paranoid remorseful nurse. Crumbing would be like walking into a bar wearing a dark coat and sitting in a shadowy corner, leaving a note on a table. What he's doing is just short of bursting open the doors to the bar, stark naked announcing he has arrived. It doesn't necessarily mean he's not town, but I do think he is lying. Unless he's just really dumb (in my opinion) he is a lol player So a big problem is how familiar he is with dota. I think it would be stupid to claim doctor right away as I said, but assuming he's town why fake claim? He would have to know enough about dota to know wave of shadow is a dazzle spell, and that dazzle also has the shallow grave spell, which would lead someone to draw the conclusion that he is the doctor. hmmm idk. I do think he's lying, but if he isn't super knowledgeable about dota it would give a little bit of support to the idea that he was telling the truth. I'm a bit conflicted now. He's either lying or really dumb town. And I think if he's lying he's more likely to be scum lying. no i was just saying he is a lol player so he probably is dumb. i saw an opportunity to make a lol joke and i took it. Oh. Well what I'm saying still stands. WaveOfShadow how familiar with dota are you? And why are you lying about implying doc? I'm liking this line of questioning less and less. There's no proof he "lied", nor is there proof that he claimed dazzle. He could be claiming shadow demon or nevermore, both heroes that could require extended time to ramp up their abilities in a flavor context, thus justifying his request to 'keep me alive'.
I'm asking him directly to explain himself. There is no proof, but it would be very easy for WoS to come in and say "I didn't claim dazzle". It would be very easy. And yet he didn't say that. You're literally making a defense for him, when he won't defend himself.
I don't think asking for a little explanation is too much at all.
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On October 20 2016 11:26 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 11:24 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 11:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 20 2016 11:09 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 11:08 iamperfection wrote:On October 20 2016 11:07 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 11:01 iamperfection wrote:On October 20 2016 11:00 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 10:57 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 20 2016 10:55 ExO_ wrote:
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Why wouldn't I point it out? I'm sure I'm not the only player here who is familiar with dota, and can realize what he's alluding to. And this early basically coming out and claiming it, is something doctor wouldn't do. Which means in my view he's lying, and I want him to explain it. crumbing doctor isnt a thing? btw, I'm a doctor. not really, im like a paranoid remorseful nurse. Crumbing would be like walking into a bar wearing a dark coat and sitting in a shadowy corner, leaving a note on a table. What he's doing is just short of bursting open the doors to the bar, stark naked announcing he has arrived. It doesn't necessarily mean he's not town, but I do think he is lying. Unless he's just really dumb (in my opinion) he is a lol player So a big problem is how familiar he is with dota. I think it would be stupid to claim doctor right away as I said, but assuming he's town why fake claim? He would have to know enough about dota to know wave of shadow is a dazzle spell, and that dazzle also has the shallow grave spell, which would lead someone to draw the conclusion that he is the doctor. hmmm idk. I do think he's lying, but if he isn't super knowledgeable about dota it would give a little bit of support to the idea that he was telling the truth. I'm a bit conflicted now. He's either lying or really dumb town. And I think if he's lying he's more likely to be scum lying. no i was just saying he is a lol player so he probably is dumb. i saw an opportunity to make a lol joke and i took it. Oh. Well what I'm saying still stands. WaveOfShadow how familiar with dota are you? And why are you lying about implying doc? I'm liking this line of questioning less and less. There's no proof he "lied", nor is there proof that he claimed dazzle. He could be claiming shadow demon or nevermore, both heroes that could require extended time to ramp up their abilities in a flavor context, thus justifying his request to 'keep me alive'. I'm asking him directly to explain himself. There is no proof, but it would be very easy for WoS to come in and say "I didn't claim dazzle". It would be very easy. And yet he didn't say that. You're literally making a defense for him, when he won't defend himself. I don't think asking for a little explanation is too much at all. he basically claimed spirit breaker. Charge of Darkness is very close to Wave of Shadow.
That's a bit of a stretch. Not a connection I think anybody would make, and one you are only making now that he said mooo. Really? Why didn't he just come out and say "I'm not claiming dazzle" right away?
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On October 20 2016 11:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +Okay so WoS is literally just posting garbage in the the thread. He's not trying to have a discussion, he's posting trolly stuff. I think he's scum and scrambling right now from a really dumb fake claim. Do you honestly and truly think this?
Could you at least make an effort to answer some of my questions then? You've got hopeless defending for you right now, but it would do a lot to alleviate my concerns here if you would talk to me a bit.
Right now from my perspective I think you and hopeless could be scum buddies, but I'm doubtful because it would be so blatant.
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On October 20 2016 11:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm honestly baffled anyone would think I'd come out and fully claim my role what, two hours into a heavily themed game with all sorts of shit flyin' around at any given moment?
I'm stunned speechless.
Silent, even.
So then you were literally just trolling with:
On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.
Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k?
You've contributed literally nothing to the thread then. I've noticed after this post and after me pointing out you're claiming dazzle you start throwing out all sorts of other hints towards other heroes trying to backaway from the idea that you were claiming.
I think you were attempting to fake claim a doctor role. And instead of trying to have a discussion with me you just keep posting trolly stuff. My conclusion from this is you are probably scum trying to fake claim, to what end though I'm not sure
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On October 20 2016 11:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 11:34 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 11:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm honestly baffled anyone would think I'd come out and fully claim my role what, two hours into a heavily themed game with all sorts of shit flyin' around at any given moment?
I'm stunned speechless.
Silent, even. So then you were literally just trolling with: On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.
Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k? You've contributed literally nothing to the thread then. I've noticed after this post and after me pointing out you're claiming dazzle you start throwing out all sorts of other hints towards other heroes trying to backaway from the idea that you were claiming. I think you were attempting to fake claim a doctor role. And instead of trying to have a discussion with me you just keep posting trolly stuff. My conclusion from this is you are probably scum trying to fake claim, to what end though I'm not sure I don't want to have a conversation with you. ![[image loading]](https://67.media.tumblr.com/6f3f63d45462aa8129b372b38c0410e3/tumblr_n3hntvKkCm1sa9du0o1_500.gif)
Yeah you'll just have your scum buddy hopeless there defend your idiotic opening
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On October 20 2016 11:39 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 11:34 ExO_ wrote:On October 20 2016 11:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm honestly baffled anyone would think I'd come out and fully claim my role what, two hours into a heavily themed game with all sorts of shit flyin' around at any given moment?
I'm stunned speechless.
Silent, even. So then you were literally just trolling with: On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.
Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k? You've contributed literally nothing to the thread then. I've noticed after this post and after me pointing out you're claiming dazzle you start throwing out all sorts of other hints towards other heroes trying to backaway from the idea that you were claiming. I think you were attempting to fake claim a doctor role. And instead of trying to have a discussion with me you just keep posting trolly stuff. My conclusion from this is you are probably scum trying to fake claim, to what end though I'm not sure I think he was trying to real-claim a doctor role. Instead of trying to have a discussion, he posted trolly stuff so people wouldnt take it as seriously and mafia wouldnt shoot him in the face. I think he is probably town trying to crumb his role. To what end though, i think he just wants to stay alive and get people to support him. exo, take a step back, you're WAY too tunneled right now. This is absurd. Go back to that first post you thought he claimed dazzle and honestly tell me that Shadow Demon, Nevermore or Spirit Breaker couldn't also fit.
I will admit I've had a bad habbit of tunneling in TL mafia games. But I don't like the way he's talking to me here, and I don't like how you just fill in when he won't defend himself.
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I'm going to be around for a few hours if anybody is here...seems dead. As a heads up civ 6 launches tomorrow night and my schedule is gonna be geared around streaming that with a lot of the other civ streamers. I'll be in and out though.
On October 20 2016 14:18 Bill Murray wrote:
TLDR ritoki is probably town because i see ritoky + hopeless interaction as town/maf interaction and i think WoS is being mafcoached by hopeless
that leaves me here
town: bill , i am perfection, exo, ritoky, kurumi
scum: WoS, hopeless1der
i am NOT doing null this game so if my scum list exceeds 10 people or more i dont give a flying **** these are just my opinions
What about the ritoky/hopeless interaction makes you think its town/mafia interaction?
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On October 20 2016 17:07 ptmc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 08:04 iamperfection wrote:
im reporting whatever host came up with my ult.
Looking at my role for me to be effective i'm gonna need some heals.
I have been struggling to think of which is the best way to approach this game with the ultra complicated roles like this. Usually i think town goes to willy nilly with information in these types of games but since our roles seems so complicated i feel some coordination is going to be needed to kill some scum. At least you got an ult -.- Are you radiant or dire? And I guess there are dire town as well as radiant scum, right? I liked Exo_s posts, but I don't necessarily know if claiming a healer is bad in this setup, since you might also somehow have to end up next to your heal-target on the list to actually heal. That might be hard without coordinating.
What bugs me about WoS is his response to my initial points, and his continued responses since then. He didn't try to explain anything. If he is the doctor, it would make sense that he would want to keep his mouth shut in reaction to my questioning, but by that same logic why would he even do a breadcrumb like that in the first place? It makes no sense.
In my opinion what he's doing is just trying to brush this all off. Look at the way he refuses to get involved in the discussion. Is that a town quality? Not in my opinion it isn't. He looks to me like he's waiting around for some other discussion to take over so he can fade into the background for a while.
To be honest the more I think about it the more I struggle with him. Because I can't see his play really making sense for any angle. My best guess and current interpretation is he's scum trying to set up some kind of fake doctor claim later on in the game, got called on it, and is now trying to keep post count up without helping town at all.
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