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Vivax
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
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iamperfection
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beentheredonethat
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Potential scum, definitely. He didn't improve at all. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
its almost like i can just claim them to save time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17802 Posts
First off, I took the time to look over his recent games to get an idea of how he plays. Pretty similar to what I remembered. He is good as either town or scum. The only difference I kinda feel is that maybe as town he is more confrontational and prone to get into fights. However, I don't remember scum koshi in a heavily themed game. He was scum with me in GoT mafia, which was themed, but didn't have wacko roles, just weird voting mechanics. I checked out Aperture 2 where he was town and actually has a similar idea to this game. He has some item, and when people distrust his claims and what he plans, he goes apeshit. So... I'm no longer convinced koshi is definitely scum. However, I just can't shake that feeling. D1 he was just lurking and coasting by. And then came the claim, his filter is mostly about the claim, and I have copied some of the posts to show how this claim evolves: Double lynch: On October 23 2016 08:42 Koshi wrote: Also don't understand how people can think I am mafia while I have a double lynch. On October 24 2016 00:14 Koshi wrote: Maybe not a double lynch (also calls people who just took him at face value when he claimed "double lynch" stupid): Maybe you shouldn't see it as a fucking double lynch. Holy fuck you people. I am out before I tell everything. Justbullshit. Vivax/Skynx/Lunatic ez mafia. "Kills a guy with a shitton of votes" On October 24 2016 21:42 Koshi wrote: I cannot proof I am town unless you make 2 wagons? How hard is this too graps? Hey Koshi we will lynch you when you don't kill the guy with a shitton of votes. But spoiler, we won't give a second guy a shitton of votes. The clearest explanation yet: either a threshold or somehow proportional to number of votes. Has to send in the action on a specific player, and is thus not really linked to the lynch, just to the votes. On October 25 2016 00:40 Koshi wrote: Ok guys. Let's say I need to afk the next 5 hours and need to send in now. I need to know there will be at least 6-7 votes on Lunatic today. He also needs to be the second lynch. Well, he doesn't have to be but if he is main lynch it is overkill obviously. If he doesn't have the votes he wont get 1-shotted. On October 25 2016 01:16 Koshi wrote: Well. It happened. Everybody scumreads Lunatic so he should get ez 6-7 votes. I also get less effective with the more days pass. Now, this happened directly after the night started: On October 25 2016 07:12 Koshi wrote: I was hit for over 50 already so you can kill me tonight. This was not long after the night post. He hasn't had time to mull it over, or at least, not more than about 40 minutes, as we all sat there f5'ing waiting to be allowed to post. He is not interested in the fact that his ability didn't work. He is interested in the damage he took. This while the vote count, and thus what he last claimed his ability worked on, was unchanged. Votes weren't nulled, they just didn't cause a lynch. It doesn't make sense to just take this as "par for the course", if you are a townie and expect to have murdered scum with your awesome pro-town double lynch ability. I was in a rage and it wasn't even my ability. The explanation that makes the most sense is that he was fully expecting this shit to happen: he doesn't have a double lynch, he has a no-lynch. Circumstantial evidence: koshi is melee, and nightstalker is melee. We know koshi is melee because he jumped to HF to attack him in N1 (and mb to GB on D1, although it might be GB jumping to him too). A few minutes later, he claims that a "mafia ability sucked up all the votes". However, a quick glance at the nightpost shows the votecount is still there. There is absolutely 0 evidence any votes were sucked up. Just that the lynch didn't happen. In addition, we have this. I don't like doing it, but... "I told you so": On October 25 2016 18:57 Koshi wrote: Cuz that makes fucking sense from my POV. He used winter wyvern curse on me and I got RB, and the people around me attack me for basic damage, probably also RBing them. If that happened. Everything is explained. Even the 5 damage they got. I won't overanalyze the whole winter wyvern bullshit, which was mostly just shitting up the thread with baseless action wifom. Koshi: is your action refunded if you get roleblocked? Why didn't you claim roleblocked FIRST THING rather than wine about the damage you took? It all just doesn't add up. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17802 Posts
Welp, Koshi. Guess you're off the hook tomorrow. We do kill Vivax first after all! | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17802 Posts
On October 25 2016 23:55 iamperfection wrote: He just played a scum game in a heavily themed game acro. Palmar's game What game is that? I looked at his profile and found Murder mafia, and other than that, relied on the DB. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Dandel Ion
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Lunaticman
Sweden1097 Posts
I also see that the meta of TL hasn't changed: Amount of posts => Town. So Koshi just spams about mechanics and suddenly everyone thinks he is town when in fact he should be dead by now. This is brilliant. This game also demonstrates how bad it is to have more than 2 scum reads at any given time because there simply isn't enough emotional capital to go after all of them. Especially in a large game like this, just focus on a few people at a time. I thought I would be dead by now but mafia is keeping me alive, I must be good to have around as everyones 3d scum read. I think it would be smarter to go after the players who actually voted for a townie in the first lynch. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On October 26 2016 00:19 Lunaticman wrote: It's smarter to use Kp to kill lurkers/afks rather than lynches. I don't think there is any protection against lynches in most games. Lynch someone who actually gains information not the other way around. Use KP to kill Vivax that is much smarter. I also see that the meta of TL hasn't changed: Amount of posts => Town. So Koshi just spams about mechanics and suddenly everyone thinks he is town when in fact he should be dead by now. This is brilliant. This game also demonstrates how bad it is to have more than 2 scum reads at any given time because there simply isn't enough emotional capital to go after all of them. Especially in a large game like this, just focus on a few people at a time. I thought I would be dead by now but mafia is keeping me alive, I must be good to have around as everyones 3d scum read. I think it would be smarter to go after the players who actually voted for a townie in the first lynch. I hate almost every point you've made here. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
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iamperfection
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Acrofales
Spain17802 Posts
On October 26 2016 00:42 iamperfection wrote: Anyone disagree? Not me  There's too much possibility for protection, or reflection.On the other hand, we may be wifomming mafia into using their protection elsewhere! But imho shoot scummy shit that isn't Vivax: Luna Koshi GB LT in particular. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On October 25 2016 18:12 beentheredonethat wrote: I have a basic attack of 4. I have a powerful attack ability and I have attacked you three times now. I claimed that. I said I townread you because I wasn't roleblocked at all and I bought your rage. Mafia wouldn't do a no-lynch if Koshi hadn't claimed his ability. That means Vivax and Lunatic are scum. Else it would make NO sense for scum to save Vivax as he will be lynched/shot anyways. Either Vivax and Lunatic are scum and the no-lynch should make us kill Koshi OR Koshi is scum, Vivax/Luna alignment is not sure and Scum wasted a no-lynch to save what, an inactive Scum!Vivax? I don't think so. To me, Luna and Vivax are as close to confirmed scum as it gets, and Koshi is as close to confirmed town as it gets. Sicklucker's play doesn't make sense as scum IMHO. We should attack the fuck out of Vivax and Luna and I really want town to coordinate attacks. I will attack Lunatic. Sicklucker, ptmc, WoS, please do so, too, with the maximum attack damage you have. Dandel, iamp, Acro, please attack Vivax. Artanis, you too. At this point, I am considering Ritoky to be scum. Not enough activity, and he's popping up every now and then to not fall into afk category, and his posts imply that he's actively reading the thread. I think im going to attack vivax because like bloodseeker I get hp when I kill someone | ||
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