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On October 23 2016 04:54 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 04:49 Holyflare wrote:
I can't be bothered to do something useful I'll just likely wait till next phase and I've told you the most useful information in the game already, artanis is definitely mafia. Like Tictock was mafia? Spitting out names is not exactly great. Starting to dislike HF here.
How is it spitting out names? Have you not read? I made a case.
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On October 23 2016 03:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 02:58 iamperfection wrote:On October 23 2016 02:56 Holyflare wrote:
Artanis is without a doubt mafia by the way. without a doubt? Without a single doubt. Lack of filter, bad reads, no catch up, not interested in playing, not happy. And rels has been around all weekend playing games  PPP but mainly the above
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On October 23 2016 04:54 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 04:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:35 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:26 ritoky wrote:
btdt you probably don't want to hear this from a washed up salty dog like me, but if you're town; 2 pieces of advice for future games: 1) posts that list every player are less beneficial than posts that focus hard in on a few and 2) generally speaking don't post glowing town reads during night phase, you only put targets on people/help mafia. nevertheless, what do you think about my scumreads? i think you're wrong on hamamuratacobellchalupa but my reason is awful. i realize he has done literal stone nothing, but the suggesting a jester thing as a new player (i think) to this site just seems like such a dumb town tell to me. the rest of your hard scum reads are very bland and thread sentimenty to me. you said nothing i felt was a keen observation or original that made me think they were more scum or you were more town. plus you insulted me, and i shed a tear. That strikes me as odd. Let me explain: First of all, you brought your argument of a dumbtell on taco bell before already. I know that, so you're not adding anything new. Which is fine as I didn't raise anything new either but I wished that my scumread would make you re-read and reconsider. You chose to hard defend taco bell so you should be interested in doing a bit more than just dropping the same thing again, right? Then, you say I'd follow thread sentiment. Except I was the one who started the Koshi wagon and pushed for it over the course of day 1. Going with Vivax isn't thread sentimenty as it's objectivally a good thing to lynch him. Same applies to Lunatic. Keep in mind that the goal of listing my scumreads is not to make myself town but instead raise awareness and get others to pursue those guys, too. You're not doing that, you're reading my list only in the context of beentheredonethat's alignment. Why do you focus so hard on me? It's not directly scummy to do that, yeah, but I think there are plenty of people to talk about. If you choose to try to read me, then ask questions, read my filter or whatever, but don't sacrifice my reads. I actually want to talk about my reads. Please do so  . 1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments. 2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you. i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many.
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Sorry, not buying that. As simple as this. From an objective point of view, a jester role speculation is no town dumb tell. Nor a scum dumb tell. It's just a "I come from a different playing environment" dumbtell. Not less, not more.
2) Okay, point taken, but if you want to scumread me for following thread sentiment, wouldn't it be a good idea to actually mae sure that I am following thread sentiment? You said earlier you want me to not post 10000 scumreads but instead post 1-2 and focus on them. Okay, good point. Can you please do the same then?
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On October 23 2016 04:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 04:54 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:49 Holyflare wrote:
I can't be bothered to do something useful I'll just likely wait till next phase and I've told you the most useful information in the game already, artanis is definitely mafia. Like Tictock was mafia? Spitting out names is not exactly great. Starting to dislike HF here. How is it spitting out names? Have you not read? I made a case.
I tend to not say "case" to short posts like that. Maybe I'm pocketed as Art defended me and I really liked that and yes, maybe he's scum, if he hadn't replaced in, I'd fully agree with you.
However he replaced in on a weekend, people are busy on weekends. Will need to see his D2 performance before I judge there.
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like he literally didn't have a full 24 hours to fill his filter, and those 24 hours have been a saturday. That's what I mean with "spitting out names", you nailed Tictock (town), now you hard scumread a replacement. Your reasons might be valid but they're not that hard to find nor have.
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thining twice about it, HF really drops down. That guy could be scum.
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back. caught up mostly to end of day 1, catching up the rest of the thread.
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On October 23 2016 05:00 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 04:54 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:35 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:26 ritoky wrote:
btdt you probably don't want to hear this from a washed up salty dog like me, but if you're town; 2 pieces of advice for future games: 1) posts that list every player are less beneficial than posts that focus hard in on a few and 2) generally speaking don't post glowing town reads during night phase, you only put targets on people/help mafia. nevertheless, what do you think about my scumreads? i think you're wrong on hamamuratacobellchalupa but my reason is awful. i realize he has done literal stone nothing, but the suggesting a jester thing as a new player (i think) to this site just seems like such a dumb town tell to me. the rest of your hard scum reads are very bland and thread sentimenty to me. you said nothing i felt was a keen observation or original that made me think they were more scum or you were more town. plus you insulted me, and i shed a tear. That strikes me as odd. Let me explain: First of all, you brought your argument of a dumbtell on taco bell before already. I know that, so you're not adding anything new. Which is fine as I didn't raise anything new either but I wished that my scumread would make you re-read and reconsider. You chose to hard defend taco bell so you should be interested in doing a bit more than just dropping the same thing again, right? Then, you say I'd follow thread sentiment. Except I was the one who started the Koshi wagon and pushed for it over the course of day 1. Going with Vivax isn't thread sentimenty as it's objectivally a good thing to lynch him. Same applies to Lunatic. Keep in mind that the goal of listing my scumreads is not to make myself town but instead raise awareness and get others to pursue those guys, too. You're not doing that, you're reading my list only in the context of beentheredonethat's alignment. Why do you focus so hard on me? It's not directly scummy to do that, yeah, but I think there are plenty of people to talk about. If you choose to try to read me, then ask questions, read my filter or whatever, but don't sacrifice my reads. I actually want to talk about my reads. Please do so . 1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments. 2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you. i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many. 1) + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtRlkEI8SV4 Sorry, not buying that. As simple as this. From an objective point of view, a jester role speculation is no town dumb tell. Nor a scum dumb tell. It's just a "I come from a different playing environment" dumbtell. Not less, not more. 2) Okay, point taken, but if you want to scumread me for following thread sentiment, wouldn't it be a good idea to actually mae sure that I am following thread sentiment? You said earlier you want me to not post 10000 scumreads but instead post 1-2 and focus on them. Okay, good point. Can you please do the same then?
most people don't and dismiss when i make reads like that as dumb (even though they are generally highly accurate if i would like to pat myself on the back for a moment). i gave up on trying to sell people on them long ago. i just think new player + new environment + rolled mafia tends to a mindset of caution, and suggesting a jester is not that + not a thought that pops in a common mafia's head.
i can post long form reads on monday if i am still alive. i think my town reads are stronger than my mafia reads though tbh.
GB has me shook a bit right now.
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I have way more time on weekends I dunno why everyone says weekends tank activity, also Artanis town reading you is not exactly rocket science for mafia to do that's their easiest thing to go to.
Trust me he'd have wayyyyyyyyy more motivation than the trash he posted, he's had literally the whole week to talk to rsoultin about the game since he was on the replacement list from the start of it.
I don't know why you're picking me out only for posting lazy reads when you literally just watched me coach disformation/shadow and tell him the entire time i'm lazy as fuck and you also just saw dandel drop names and you didn't call him out.
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your whole read progression on me looks really fake, I've posted lazy reads pretty much the entirety of the night and only know are you saying something
my ritoky read is still legit and founded on game reasons, he posted things that agreed with what I was saying but he's done that before as mafia to placate my fears so I'm hesitant to town read him
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On October 23 2016 05:08 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 05:00 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:54 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:35 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:26 ritoky wrote:
btdt you probably don't want to hear this from a washed up salty dog like me, but if you're town; 2 pieces of advice for future games: 1) posts that list every player are less beneficial than posts that focus hard in on a few and 2) generally speaking don't post glowing town reads during night phase, you only put targets on people/help mafia. nevertheless, what do you think about my scumreads? i think you're wrong on hamamuratacobellchalupa but my reason is awful. i realize he has done literal stone nothing, but the suggesting a jester thing as a new player (i think) to this site just seems like such a dumb town tell to me. the rest of your hard scum reads are very bland and thread sentimenty to me. you said nothing i felt was a keen observation or original that made me think they were more scum or you were more town. plus you insulted me, and i shed a tear. That strikes me as odd. Let me explain: First of all, you brought your argument of a dumbtell on taco bell before already. I know that, so you're not adding anything new. Which is fine as I didn't raise anything new either but I wished that my scumread would make you re-read and reconsider. You chose to hard defend taco bell so you should be interested in doing a bit more than just dropping the same thing again, right? Then, you say I'd follow thread sentiment. Except I was the one who started the Koshi wagon and pushed for it over the course of day 1. Going with Vivax isn't thread sentimenty as it's objectivally a good thing to lynch him. Same applies to Lunatic. Keep in mind that the goal of listing my scumreads is not to make myself town but instead raise awareness and get others to pursue those guys, too. You're not doing that, you're reading my list only in the context of beentheredonethat's alignment. Why do you focus so hard on me? It's not directly scummy to do that, yeah, but I think there are plenty of people to talk about. If you choose to try to read me, then ask questions, read my filter or whatever, but don't sacrifice my reads. I actually want to talk about my reads. Please do so . 1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments. 2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you. i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many. 1) + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtRlkEI8SV4 Sorry, not buying that. As simple as this. From an objective point of view, a jester role speculation is no town dumb tell. Nor a scum dumb tell. It's just a "I come from a different playing environment" dumbtell. Not less, not more. 2) Okay, point taken, but if you want to scumread me for following thread sentiment, wouldn't it be a good idea to actually mae sure that I am following thread sentiment? You said earlier you want me to not post 10000 scumreads but instead post 1-2 and focus on them. Okay, good point. Can you please do the same then? most people don't and dismiss when i make reads like that as dumb (even though they are generally highly accurate if i would like to pat myself on the back for a moment). i gave up on trying to sell people on them long ago. i just think new player + new environment + rolled mafia tends to a mindset of caution, and suggesting a jester is not that + not a thought that pops in a common mafia's head. i can post long form reads on monday if i am still alive. i think my town reads are stronger than my mafia reads though tbh. GB has me shook a bit right now.
A jester is a role that wins if he gets lynched before MYLO/LYLO. It is third party. I don't see a scum or a town dumbtell happening in the context of third party role speculations. It feels more like natural behaviour or a user that has not played on teamliquid before which is absolutely not alignment indicative.
I mean we're getting repetitive here. So let's drop that topic and agree to disagree. One last thing: you have locked taco bell as town by that dumbtell. You are seemingly not willing to reconsider that. Is that correct?
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On October 23 2016 05:10 Holyflare wrote:
I have way more time on weekends I dunno why everyone says weekends tank activity, also Artanis town reading you is not exactly rocket science for mafia to do that's their easiest thing to go to.
Trust me he'd have wayyyyyyyyy more motivation than the trash he posted, he's had literally the whole week to talk to rsoultin about the game since he was on the replacement list from the start of it.
I don't know why you're picking me out only for posting lazy reads when you literally just watched me coach disformation/shadow and tell him the entire time i'm lazy as fuck and you also just saw dandel drop names and you didn't call him out.
don't like man
You may have more time, others don't. Artanis and rsoultin are in a relationship and they might enjoy spare time with each other that is not mafia-related. I don't think that Art and rsoul necessarily read every single game they observe and stay up to date. I've seen people in obs qts not reading the game at all. Your argument about his motivation doesn't stand, it implies that a) he has the time to play over weekends (which is not confirmed) and b) he has paid attention to the game thus far (which is not confirmed) so it's highly hypothetic and in no way a justification for the hard-on you have about him being scum.
I picked you out because you're in the thread right now, there's nothing more to it. You're apparently trying to throw shade on me although I simply started to put pressure on you - especially since you said "townreading me is the easiest thing for mafia to do". Which I think implies that you townread me. So that must mean that you are annoyed by my questioning.
The point about the disformation shadowing is good tho.
But tbh that post feels really weak, doesn't add anything about Artanis/your read about him nor makes your read on him more reproducable. Why not wait for D2 to see how he develops (I mean that's all I say after all)? I don't see an Artanis wagon happening over Vivax/Koshi/Lunatic and wouldn't even vote him over my other scumreads.
You're locked on Artanis and you seemingly get pissed when called out on that.
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On October 23 2016 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 05:08 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 05:00 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:54 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:35 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:26 ritoky wrote:
btdt you probably don't want to hear this from a washed up salty dog like me, but if you're town; 2 pieces of advice for future games: 1) posts that list every player are less beneficial than posts that focus hard in on a few and 2) generally speaking don't post glowing town reads during night phase, you only put targets on people/help mafia. nevertheless, what do you think about my scumreads? i think you're wrong on hamamuratacobellchalupa but my reason is awful. i realize he has done literal stone nothing, but the suggesting a jester thing as a new player (i think) to this site just seems like such a dumb town tell to me. the rest of your hard scum reads are very bland and thread sentimenty to me. you said nothing i felt was a keen observation or original that made me think they were more scum or you were more town. plus you insulted me, and i shed a tear. That strikes me as odd. Let me explain: First of all, you brought your argument of a dumbtell on taco bell before already. I know that, so you're not adding anything new. Which is fine as I didn't raise anything new either but I wished that my scumread would make you re-read and reconsider. You chose to hard defend taco bell so you should be interested in doing a bit more than just dropping the same thing again, right? Then, you say I'd follow thread sentiment. Except I was the one who started the Koshi wagon and pushed for it over the course of day 1. Going with Vivax isn't thread sentimenty as it's objectivally a good thing to lynch him. Same applies to Lunatic. Keep in mind that the goal of listing my scumreads is not to make myself town but instead raise awareness and get others to pursue those guys, too. You're not doing that, you're reading my list only in the context of beentheredonethat's alignment. Why do you focus so hard on me? It's not directly scummy to do that, yeah, but I think there are plenty of people to talk about. If you choose to try to read me, then ask questions, read my filter or whatever, but don't sacrifice my reads. I actually want to talk about my reads. Please do so . 1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments. 2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you. i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many. 1) + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtRlkEI8SV4 Sorry, not buying that. As simple as this. From an objective point of view, a jester role speculation is no town dumb tell. Nor a scum dumb tell. It's just a "I come from a different playing environment" dumbtell. Not less, not more. 2) Okay, point taken, but if you want to scumread me for following thread sentiment, wouldn't it be a good idea to actually mae sure that I am following thread sentiment? You said earlier you want me to not post 10000 scumreads but instead post 1-2 and focus on them. Okay, good point. Can you please do the same then? most people don't and dismiss when i make reads like that as dumb (even though they are generally highly accurate if i would like to pat myself on the back for a moment). i gave up on trying to sell people on them long ago. i just think new player + new environment + rolled mafia tends to a mindset of caution, and suggesting a jester is not that + not a thought that pops in a common mafia's head. i can post long form reads on monday if i am still alive. i think my town reads are stronger than my mafia reads though tbh. GB has me shook a bit right now. A jester is a role that wins if he gets lynched before MYLO/LYLO. It is third party. I don't see a scum or a town dumbtell happening in the context of third party role speculations. It feels more like natural behaviour or a user that has not played on teamliquid before which is absolutely not alignment indicative. I mean we're getting repetitive here. So let's drop that topic and agree to disagree. One last thing: you have locked taco bell as town by that dumbtell. You are seemingly not willing to reconsider that. Is that correct?
We aren't going to see eye to eye. Not willing to reconsider? I wouldn't go that far, but it would take hard evidence or continued mafia behavior to begin the reconsidering process for me. Based on his activity level thus far, I doubt the latter is going to happen at any point this game.
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On October 23 2016 05:13 Holyflare wrote:
your whole read progression on me looks really fake, I've posted lazy reads pretty much the entirety of the night and only know are you saying something
my ritoky read is still legit and founded on game reasons, he posted things that agreed with what I was saying but he's done that before as mafia to placate my fears so I'm hesitant to town read him
I'm fine with not town-reading ritoky, he isn't town-read by me, too. I'm not fine with "your read progression looks fake" as I haven't townread you at any point, nor have I scumread you before. We're in a discussion just now, and based on this discussion, I start to scumlean you. Where is that fake?
(also, no, I don't want to be drawn into that argument. I think the other players should judge on their own if my read progression looks fake or not. I don't want to lose track because of that)
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On October 23 2016 05:20 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 05:08 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 05:00 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:54 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:35 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:26 ritoky wrote:
btdt you probably don't want to hear this from a washed up salty dog like me, but if you're town; 2 pieces of advice for future games: 1) posts that list every player are less beneficial than posts that focus hard in on a few and 2) generally speaking don't post glowing town reads during night phase, you only put targets on people/help mafia. nevertheless, what do you think about my scumreads? i think you're wrong on hamamuratacobellchalupa but my reason is awful. i realize he has done literal stone nothing, but the suggesting a jester thing as a new player (i think) to this site just seems like such a dumb town tell to me. the rest of your hard scum reads are very bland and thread sentimenty to me. you said nothing i felt was a keen observation or original that made me think they were more scum or you were more town. plus you insulted me, and i shed a tear. That strikes me as odd. Let me explain: First of all, you brought your argument of a dumbtell on taco bell before already. I know that, so you're not adding anything new. Which is fine as I didn't raise anything new either but I wished that my scumread would make you re-read and reconsider. You chose to hard defend taco bell so you should be interested in doing a bit more than just dropping the same thing again, right? Then, you say I'd follow thread sentiment. Except I was the one who started the Koshi wagon and pushed for it over the course of day 1. Going with Vivax isn't thread sentimenty as it's objectivally a good thing to lynch him. Same applies to Lunatic. Keep in mind that the goal of listing my scumreads is not to make myself town but instead raise awareness and get others to pursue those guys, too. You're not doing that, you're reading my list only in the context of beentheredonethat's alignment. Why do you focus so hard on me? It's not directly scummy to do that, yeah, but I think there are plenty of people to talk about. If you choose to try to read me, then ask questions, read my filter or whatever, but don't sacrifice my reads. I actually want to talk about my reads. Please do so . 1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments. 2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you. i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many. 1) + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtRlkEI8SV4 Sorry, not buying that. As simple as this. From an objective point of view, a jester role speculation is no town dumb tell. Nor a scum dumb tell. It's just a "I come from a different playing environment" dumbtell. Not less, not more. 2) Okay, point taken, but if you want to scumread me for following thread sentiment, wouldn't it be a good idea to actually mae sure that I am following thread sentiment? You said earlier you want me to not post 10000 scumreads but instead post 1-2 and focus on them. Okay, good point. Can you please do the same then? most people don't and dismiss when i make reads like that as dumb (even though they are generally highly accurate if i would like to pat myself on the back for a moment). i gave up on trying to sell people on them long ago. i just think new player + new environment + rolled mafia tends to a mindset of caution, and suggesting a jester is not that + not a thought that pops in a common mafia's head. i can post long form reads on monday if i am still alive. i think my town reads are stronger than my mafia reads though tbh. GB has me shook a bit right now. A jester is a role that wins if he gets lynched before MYLO/LYLO. It is third party. I don't see a scum or a town dumbtell happening in the context of third party role speculations. It feels more like natural behaviour or a user that has not played on teamliquid before which is absolutely not alignment indicative. I mean we're getting repetitive here. So let's drop that topic and agree to disagree. One last thing: you have locked taco bell as town by that dumbtell. You are seemingly not willing to reconsider that. Is that correct? We aren't going to see eye to eye. Not willing to reconsider? I wouldn't go that far, but it would take hard evidence or continued mafia behavior to begin the reconsidering process for me. Based on his activity level thus far, I doubt the latter is going to happen at any point this game.
But that's exactly what I see in his filter. Also, the longer the game goes on, the scummier a low-activity poster that manages to just-not-get-modkilled gets, so I don't understand how you doubt that you'll reconsider?
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what's wrong with HF's artanis read? artanis isn't one to have super shallow reads as town, yeah 100 pages as a sub is daunting, but i expected him to have at least 1 read with some depth by now.
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ok you can keep doing what you're doing and, no, I don't town read you I have no idea where you got that from my reads haven't actually really changed since I posted that list other than artanis moving to definitely mafia because rels replaced and is around online playing games and artanis' posts were trash hedges on everything he said apart from his read on you which was based entirely on your post COUNT which was irrelevant as that game had half the amount of this one the entirety of it
his read on vivax is entirely based on post count too when he should know that vivax plays trash like this as town too because he did that a few games ago as town and I'm pretty sure artanis commented on that
his hopeless read is "hopeless is doing something" which is another useless post that is based on basically no reasoning
he's given 4 reads and they're all based on throwaway useless reasons that aren't related to anything, even his read on me he basically calls me town, says I've done everything towny and then hedges like fuck and leaves it open to me being mafia which absolutely made no sense with what he posted
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On October 23 2016 05:23 ritoky wrote:
what's wrong with HF's artanis read? artanis isn't one to have super shallow reads as town, yeah 100 pages as a sub is daunting, but i expected him to have at least 1 read with some depth by now.
I posted that already, but here it is once more: it's a read on a replacement that had less than 24 hours to catch up 120+ pages. I think it's way too early to scumread him for the reasons HF mentioned. The reasons are technically valid, but I think town!Artanis will improve by a lot over D2.
Of course I don't have the meta advantage that you guys have as you're present on this page way longer than I am.
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On October 23 2016 05:22 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 05:20 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 05:08 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 05:00 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:54 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:35 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:26 ritoky wrote:
btdt you probably don't want to hear this from a washed up salty dog like me, but if you're town; 2 pieces of advice for future games: 1) posts that list every player are less beneficial than posts that focus hard in on a few and 2) generally speaking don't post glowing town reads during night phase, you only put targets on people/help mafia. nevertheless, what do you think about my scumreads? i think you're wrong on hamamuratacobellchalupa but my reason is awful. i realize he has done literal stone nothing, but the suggesting a jester thing as a new player (i think) to this site just seems like such a dumb town tell to me. the rest of your hard scum reads are very bland and thread sentimenty to me. you said nothing i felt was a keen observation or original that made me think they were more scum or you were more town. plus you insulted me, and i shed a tear. That strikes me as odd. Let me explain: First of all, you brought your argument of a dumbtell on taco bell before already. I know that, so you're not adding anything new. Which is fine as I didn't raise anything new either but I wished that my scumread would make you re-read and reconsider. You chose to hard defend taco bell so you should be interested in doing a bit more than just dropping the same thing again, right? Then, you say I'd follow thread sentiment. Except I was the one who started the Koshi wagon and pushed for it over the course of day 1. Going with Vivax isn't thread sentimenty as it's objectivally a good thing to lynch him. Same applies to Lunatic. Keep in mind that the goal of listing my scumreads is not to make myself town but instead raise awareness and get others to pursue those guys, too. You're not doing that, you're reading my list only in the context of beentheredonethat's alignment. Why do you focus so hard on me? It's not directly scummy to do that, yeah, but I think there are plenty of people to talk about. If you choose to try to read me, then ask questions, read my filter or whatever, but don't sacrifice my reads. I actually want to talk about my reads. Please do so . 1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments. 2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you. i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many. 1) + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtRlkEI8SV4 Sorry, not buying that. As simple as this. From an objective point of view, a jester role speculation is no town dumb tell. Nor a scum dumb tell. It's just a "I come from a different playing environment" dumbtell. Not less, not more. 2) Okay, point taken, but if you want to scumread me for following thread sentiment, wouldn't it be a good idea to actually mae sure that I am following thread sentiment? You said earlier you want me to not post 10000 scumreads but instead post 1-2 and focus on them. Okay, good point. Can you please do the same then? most people don't and dismiss when i make reads like that as dumb (even though they are generally highly accurate if i would like to pat myself on the back for a moment). i gave up on trying to sell people on them long ago. i just think new player + new environment + rolled mafia tends to a mindset of caution, and suggesting a jester is not that + not a thought that pops in a common mafia's head. i can post long form reads on monday if i am still alive. i think my town reads are stronger than my mafia reads though tbh. GB has me shook a bit right now. A jester is a role that wins if he gets lynched before MYLO/LYLO. It is third party. I don't see a scum or a town dumbtell happening in the context of third party role speculations. It feels more like natural behaviour or a user that has not played on teamliquid before which is absolutely not alignment indicative. I mean we're getting repetitive here. So let's drop that topic and agree to disagree. One last thing: you have locked taco bell as town by that dumbtell. You are seemingly not willing to reconsider that. Is that correct? We aren't going to see eye to eye. Not willing to reconsider? I wouldn't go that far, but it would take hard evidence or continued mafia behavior to begin the reconsidering process for me. Based on his activity level thus far, I doubt the latter is going to happen at any point this game. But that's exactly what I see in his filter. Also, the longer the game goes on, the scummier a low-activity poster that manages to just-not-get-modkilled gets, so I don't understand how you doubt that you'll reconsider?
no, low activity over time does not make someone more scummy, unless it is considered out of the ordinary for that player. i also think hamadataikodrums, outside of what i feel is a tell, has been a typical afk non-factor coinflip with no substance so i disagree.
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On October 23 2016 05:21 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 05:13 Holyflare wrote:
your whole read progression on me looks really fake, I've posted lazy reads pretty much the entirety of the night and only know are you saying something
my ritoky read is still legit and founded on game reasons, he posted things that agreed with what I was saying but he's done that before as mafia to placate my fears so I'm hesitant to town read him I'm fine with not town-reading ritoky, he isn't town-read by me, too. I'm not fine with "your read progression looks fake" as I haven't townread you at any point, nor have I scumread you before. We're in a discussion just now, and based on this discussion, I start to scumlean you. Where is that fake? (also, no, I don't want to be drawn into that argument. I think the other players should judge on their own if my read progression looks fake or not. I don't want to lose track because of that)
On October 22 2016 03:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2016 18:02 Holyflare wrote:
Pre game bs excuse: I'm playing a less spammy more case based afk game this game. Yeah that's true I feel like Lunatic should flip as HF hard read him as scum and it's a good thing to start. I like HFs filter so far, feels townie
town read, you sheeped me on TT, you've questioned lunatic repeatedly when he scum read me, you did a :/ face when i called you scum
all of these point to you town reading me, it's only now that you "flipped" based on me playing exactly how I've described my play to be to disformation in a qt you had access to
hence, fake as fuck
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