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Anyone who goes into triple LYLO after only townies were lynched all game with the attitude of "this is the exact scumteam" is really really stupid and naive. Especially if you are basing this on your POE list you had for half of the game.
If I am still alive tomorrow I will start again from scratch. Hopefully the nightkill + cop claim will shed some light on the actual situation in this game. And yes, the cop needs to claim eon. It is too dangerous to gamble on mafia not shooting you.
Right now I think it is probably scott + oats + one of damdred/marv but I will certainly not rule out the possibility of one of calix/koshi to have played a really good scumgame.
The supposed scumteam you guys (nu/calix) are suggesting makes no fucking sense upon further inspection. What you are saying is essentially that damdred and I threw the game yesterday in order to achieve what exactly? A single mislynch on Palmar?
Why would we EVER not bus scott there? Sure, one more mislynch is nice but we look like utter shit in LYLO and will probably lose. And scott would be lost no matter what. That's not how I play. I bus deadweight teammembers hard and I definitely know better than to throw the game in order to save them. You guys are looking for reasons why people aren't in a team with scott? How about you look at night1 where I call a vigshot on that guy multiple times and never waver. You think I would let him die for free but not bus him during the dayphase? No, no, no.
The reality is that I am not mafia and that mafia are probably not retarded like that. They need to have a backup plan for LYLO IF they save scott. The damdred/me team does not have that.
I think it is way more likely that mafias general plan was to bus scott yesterday and win the game after that. We just made it easier for them with our shennanies which were predominantly town driven. If scott is mafia then AT LEAST 2/4 people "CFDing" him yesterday still have to be town.
I think mafia was about to lazily bus scott. Oats fits the bill there, combined with his general play he is the one I am the most sure on right now besides scott. Then the last one seized the opportunity to shenanny (one of marv/damdred/koshi).
If oats is mafia everything makes sense because he is a real endgame solution for them. As opposed to damdred or me.
It will be really fucking annoying to deal with the rampant confirmation bias in this game but I will not lose this game by letting myself be mislynched in LYLO. Every single townie HAS to vote for mafia tomorrow in order to even have the slightest chance of winning and I am not scum.
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I don't know how active I can be today. It is wednesday after all. Will definitely not be around for the deadline.
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I am currently living in mafia depression.
I agree with JAT that Oats should be considered as mafia. Nothing the in the past days makes me think he is town. He is just riding the towncred he somehow got.
I don't see JAT be mafia. But I liked the second point nu made in his case. That further than the initial response to the mls and nks JAT never instantly made a fresh assumption based on the new evidence. If it is true, that is a really good point.
Oats/Damdred/Scott is the worst scumteam I saw in my life but that said we might be in tripple lylo against them lol.. marv I hope dies tonight. Otherwise he is still a good candidate for mafia.
Marv/Jat mafia team is actually the scumteam of my nightmares. Palmar might actually have a reason to be mad at me endgame then. Grack had them paired. Palmar. HF I think. damn.
Calix I thought was mafia for how she defended Palmar EoN and didn't switch but also didn't really prevent the switch. She also defended Palmar D1 quite irrationally. But if she is mafia I am atm content to lose vs her. She isn't the lynch tomorrow but in 2 vs 1 lylo I would reconsider that. 2 vs 1 lylo is the moment you reconsider everything and reverse the thoughts you had going into lylo anyway. If we get there. Most likely not.
NU is Mr. Babyrage, Mr. role pm claim. I didn't really read or remember his posts D1, but D2 and onwards he seemed ok to be confirmed town. Unlike Calix nu doesn't seem to have it in him to be mafia and play like this. Weird read but it makes sense if you understand what I mean.
Still in mafia depression but these are my thoughts.
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Koshi, g un kro chè roux je sur dent dress.
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"Anyone who goes into triple LYLO after only townies were lynched all game with the attitude of "this is the exact scumteam" is really really stupid and naive. "
So be it. I'm not budging.
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On October 12 2016 09:22 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:30 Damdred wrote:
Like you are acting as if you have a red check on me when you do not becuase it is impossible. How is it impossible? What if I told you I have a red-check on you?
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On October 12 2016 20:37 NeverUnlucky wrote:
"Anyone who goes into triple LYLO after only townies were lynched all game with the attitude of "this is the exact scumteam" is really really stupid and naive. "
So be it. I'm not budging.
Call me surprised.
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On October 12 2016 20:23 Koshi wrote:
I don't see JAT be mafia. But I liked the second point nu made in his case. That further than the initial response to the mls and nks JAT never instantly made a fresh assumption based on the new evidence. If it is true, that is a really good point.
This isn't his point btw. since I actually did that multiple times. He thinks that the quoted posts are forced and that's more or less it. He doesn't have any actual reason to scumread me besides "tone". That hasn't changed all game.
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On October 12 2016 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Because I don't know what a scum team that makes sense woudl be.
Scott/JAT/Marv seems plausible but I am not sure that Marv or JAT are 100% scum, Jat is more likely than marv i think probably.
I also think maybe I need to look at Calix again tbh, just seems to sure what she wants to push to the finish to set in stone.
Oats is also a slight possiblity
Like Scott and JAT I can pair on a team without feeling anything but yeah thats probably right, the third one i'm just not sold on.
Damdred goes from there is certainly a scum between Palmar and marv to being "not sure that marv [is] 100% scum" after Palmar's town flip.
He also cannot explain why he voted Palmar whom he thought was scum if Marv was town over his 100% scum-read of Scott. "Palmar is harder to lynch" is not a town explanation. It's opportunistic as fuck.
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"The supposed scumteam you guys (nu/calix) are suggesting makes no fucking sense upon further inspection. What you are saying is essentially that damdred and I threw the game yesterday in order to achieve what exactly? A single mislynch on Palmar?
Why would we EVER not bus scott there? Sure, one more mislynch is nice but we look like utter shit in LYLO and will probably lose."
^Says that scum not bussing scott is throwing the game...
"The reality is that I am not mafia and that mafia are probably not retarded like that. They need to have a backup plan for LYLO IF they save scott. The damdred/me team does not have that.
I think it is way more likely that mafias general plan was to bus scott yesterday and win the game after that. We just made it easier for them with our shennanies which were predominantly town driven. If scott is mafia then AT LEAST 2/4 people "CFDing" him yesterday still have to be town."
^Says that scum did in fact ending up not bussing Scott.
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Marv has yet to explain why he voted Palmar over Scott when he said that he was hedging his read on Palmar and not on Scott.
Also, the timing at which marv happened to come back to play this game coincidentally corresponds to the time where he was starting to be voted up.
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On October 12 2016 23:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:
"The supposed scumteam you guys (nu/calix) are suggesting makes no fucking sense upon further inspection. What you are saying is essentially that damdred and I threw the game yesterday in order to achieve what exactly? A single mislynch on Palmar?
Why would we EVER not bus scott there? Sure, one more mislynch is nice but we look like utter shit in LYLO and will probably lose."
^Says that scum not bussing scott is throwing the game...
"The reality is that I am not mafia and that mafia are probably not retarded like that. They need to have a backup plan for LYLO IF they save scott. The damdred/me team does not have that.
I think it is way more likely that mafias general plan was to bus scott yesterday and win the game after that. We just made it easier for them with our shennanies which were predominantly town driven. If scott is mafia then AT LEAST 2/4 people "CFDing" him yesterday still have to be town."
^Says that scum did in fact ending up not bussing Scott.
Are you illiterate or something?
The first one is correct even though I am talking about a theoretical team of me/damdred/scott.
The second one is entirely incorrect. I am in fact saying that the actual mafia team DID bus scott. Sure, one of them might have hopped on the palmar train in the end because why not if town is pushing a mislynch for you? But the plan was to bus.
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You have to discriminate between the rist paragraph where I am talking about your proposed scumteam and the second one where I talk about what I think is reality.
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[Still in the same game MZ took your slot, #1]
Calix okay.
Paladin beep beep.
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On October 12 2016 23:37 justanothertownie wrote:
You have to discriminate between the rist paragraph where I am talking about your proposed scumteam and the second one where I talk about what I think is reality.
It's exactly what I am saying. You say that it is stupid for scum to switch from Scott to Palmar, but then say that it is precisely what they did.
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This conversation is dumb. Scum risked the negative attention by mislynching on Day 3 because it means we're in triple LYLO and means that they only have to convince one of the townies to vote incorrectly for the town to lose...over THREE days.
Case in point, Koshi.
End of discussion.
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On October 12 2016 23:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 23:37 justanothertownie wrote:
You have to discriminate between the rist paragraph where I am talking about your proposed scumteam and the second one where I talk about what I think is reality. It's exactly what I am saying. You say that it is stupid for scum to switch from Scott to Palmar, but then say that it is precisely what they did.
No.
I am saying for a team of me/damdred/scott it is stupid to switch to Palmar.
For the actual scumteam that is not necessarily true because for example if oats is mafia they have their endgame player on the mafia wagon so the last one might aswell join the Palmar train.
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Also any arguments of "the scum would NEVER do this" are also stupid because at this point in the game, it answers itself.
"Why would scum do X?"
So they can use "why would we do X" as a defense for their obviously scummy actions, thus meaning they aren't held accountable for them.
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On October 12 2016 23:43 Calix wrote:
This conversation is dumb. Scum risked the negative attention by mislynching on Day 3 because it means we're in triple LYLO and means that they only have to convince one of the townies to vote incorrectly for the town to lose...over THREE days.
Or they just don't do that, bus scott and achieve the same result only one day later without outing themselves as mafia.
What does mafia gain from going all out to save scott today when we are most likely lynching him tomorrow anyways?
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