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Rels
France13467 Posts
Tictock (3): Holyflare, fuba, Holyflare (2): Tumblewood, Grackaroni Calix (1): Tumblewood (1): fuba (1): Superbia (0): Skynx (0): Damdred (0): Not Voting (5): Skynx, Palmar, Vivax, Shapelog, Tictock Day 1 ends Saturday, Sep 10 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . TL countdown synchronizes with your device local time and not with the TL server time. It might be inaccurate. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On September 11 2016 01:55 Calix wrote: Good question. I don't have a fucking clue. Grackaroni is looking townier the more he posts; nobody else scum-reads fuba; I town-read Vivax, you, Superbia, Palmar (shitty town-read but still); TT's train is shitty and if he's scum, then the scum are doing a horrendous job at diverting it (hardly anyone has questioned it which makes me wary)...I'm starting to feel like a lot of the scum are among the lurkers and I don't know how to sort them. Either that, or they are the sort who are good at looking townie on Day 1. Simple yet genuine question. Are you town? | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On September 11 2016 02:08 NeverUnlucky wrote: Simple yet genuine question. Are you town? Yes, moron. I really appreciate you going into the game with the intent to use meta when you knew full well that I moved to a different site precisely to avoid being 'meta-read' for retarded reasons. Thanks a fucking lot for ruining that. Instead of wasting more of my time with personality tests, try asking something useful. As a side note, I looked back at the cases to see how similar they were and while they weren't as similar as I remembered them being, I figured I'd announce where I was coming from anyway. I'd like to say that I am not quoting the entirety of the cases made here, just the parts that struck me as similar to my fuba case. (spoilered) + Show Spoiler + On September 10 2016 04:31 Calix wrote: And now that I'm not so skeptical of Vivax's intentions, I'm actually starting to see the case against fuba. He rarely gives his own views, preferring to use other people to push them forward (lots of "I agree with this" or "this" kind of posts) which not only shows that he lacks initiative but it's a way of evading accountability for pushing certain positions. If a position backfires, it puts him in a place to attack the person who initially proposed the idea. He is self-centred (saying things like "I disagree with this being scummy because it can apply to me") which is self-serving because it shows that he is paying attention to how his actions could be perceived by others and that he's trying to not associate the things he does with scum. ... I was going to quote the posts where he says "oh I disagree because I do X thing" but my internet decided to turn into a snail halfway through with quoting so post numbers are 242, 245, 246 (pg 13?) On September 10 2016 09:20 Holyflare wrote: Grackaroni sin counter: Tries to base someone else's bad scummy play on HIS OWN meta as if everyone plays as badly as him: ^^^^^^^ WHO DOES THAT?????????? I mean, didn't fuba do that when he was saying shit like "I think TT's case is good but some of the weaker points could apply to me" and whatever? On September 10 2016 09:58 Holyflare wrote: But in this case I actually do think that Ticktock is mafia because: This isn't exactly the same though because fuba hasn't ONLY just posted one-liner posts agreeing. He's just expressed his agreement with others a lot. And fuba definitely made posts where he was inconsistent with his positions. (the other bolded point) | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
Yes, moron. I really appreciate you going into the game with the intent to use meta when you knew full well that I moved to a different site precisely to avoid being 'meta-read' for retarded reasons. Thanks a fucking lot for ruining that. It was not my intent. I only came to this point after seeing you copy-paste your scumtelling post from FF7. I still apologize for doing it. I couldn't resist throwing meta in my read. Slap me. Instead of wasting more of my time with personality tests, try asking something useful I did. I asked you who was your target today. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On September 11 2016 02:25 NeverUnlucky wrote: It was not my intent. I only came to this point after seeing you copy-paste your scumtelling post from FF7. I still apologize for doing it. I couldn't resist throwing meta in my read. Slap me. I did. I asked you who was your target today. What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't copy-paste shit and why the actual fuck would anyone copy a post made in a SCUM GAME? I don't know. I just think that Tictock is going to end in a mislynch because nobody is doing anything to stop his train. Grackaroni spent more time explaining how his posts weren't defending Tictock than he actually did diverting the train and I know I am town. That can ONLY MEAN TWO THINGS: 1. He is town. 2. The entire scum team are so inactive that they don't give a fuck about stopping a lynch on their team mate. Option 1 is infinitely more likely but I'm not sure how to stop it. I'll going to reread Holyflare given that he's the only alternative at the moment and I've yet to read his filter properly. I don't really town-read him but I don't scum-read him much either. Since I town-read you, your thoughts on him? | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
COukd it be town tt just going down with the ship, yes it could. But there is no logical reasoning town should defend tt is there? For such a easy target the amount of push back,that has been received from the tt while no one town reads him is staggering tbh. But really there is so much time left and so few people voting it coups,mean any number of things. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On September 11 2016 02:35 Damdred wrote: You forgot a option tbh, the third option is tt didn't want to play as scum and at least one team mate is light budding with the intent to jump on when the train looks like it,had no breaks,for cred. COukd it be town tt just going down with the ship, yes it could. But there is no logical reasoning town should defend tt is there? For such a easy target the amount of push back,that has been received from the tt while no one town reads him is staggering tbh. But really there is so much time left and so few people voting it coups,mean any number of things. Ew no wtf. I've already explained that bussing is a horrible fucking strategy for Day 1. Town cred is overrated - nobody gives a shit about who voted for who on Day 1 when it comes to a LYLO situation. I've literally never seen anyone be saved from a lynch because "lol they voted for scum on D1" Well I am town and I'm defending TT with logical reasoning because scum have no incentive to stick their neck out for a lurker mislynch, so get the fuck off with that 'logic'. Your last sentence just serves to undermine everything you just said. 0/10, did not like this post whatsoever. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On September 11 2016 02:31 Calix wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't copy-paste shit and why the actual fuck would anyone copy a post made in a SCUM GAME? You did. I'll show you post-game or after you flip. I don't know. I just think that Tictock is going to end in a mislynch because nobody is doing anything to stop his train. Grackaroni spent more time explaining how his posts weren't defending Tictock than he actually did diverting the train and I know I am town. That can ONLY MEAN TWO THINGS: 1. He is town. 2. The entire scum team are so inactive that they don't give a fuck about stopping a lynch on their team mate. Option 1 is infinitely more likely but I'm not sure how to stop it. I have the same feeling. What does you "knowing you are town" have to do with any of this? I think it's a combination of 1 & 2 -- ie He is town, and scum are inactive, letting town fight each other. I'll going to reread Holyflare given that he's the only alternative at the moment and I've yet to read his filter properly. I don't really town-read him but I don't scum-read him much either. Since I town-read you, your thoughts on him? He is not the only alternative. I'm mixed. His behavior draws so much attention to him that the only way I can see him being scum is if he is WIFOMing the "too scum to be scum" agenda. I'm leaning town though because throughout all of his scum-reads, none of the reasons he gave appeared as shade-throwing/scum painting, and some of his reads are nuanced. On September 11 2016 02:18 Calix wrote: Yes, moron. I really appreciate you going into the game with the intent to use meta when you knew full well that I moved to a different site precisely to avoid being 'meta-read' for retarded reasons. Thanks a fucking lot for ruining that. I'm even more convinced that you rolled scum. A town wouldn't change subject immediately after saying he is town. You are trying to minimalize the emphasis on your answer by doing so. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
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Calix
3379 Posts
On September 11 2016 02:41 NeverUnlucky wrote: You did. I'll show you post-game or after you flip. I have the same feeling. What does you "knowing you are town" have to do with any of this? I think it's a combination of 1 & 2 -- ie He is town, and scum are inactive, letting town fight each other. He is not the only alternative. I'm mixed. His behavior draws so much attention to him that the only way I can see him being scum is if he is WIFOMing the "too scum to be scum" agenda. I'm leaning town though because throughout all of his scum-reads, none of the reasons he gave appeared as shade-throwing/scum painting, and some of his reads are nuanced. I'm even more convinced that you rolled scum. A town wouldn't change subject immediately after saying he is town. You are trying to minimalize the emphasis on your answer by doing so. You are legitimately retarded. You are actually arguing that I would copy-paste a post from a scum game which I am aware that you read. And you are reading my frustration at your stupidity as scummy instead of what it is. Hint: It's NAI because you are pissing me off. It has nothing to do with my alignment, I'm just sick of dealing with you and don't wish to do it in future games. That much I can promise you. He claims that he is aggressive as all alignments. Dumb argument. I feel like he's all over the place with what he says. Like he says one thing and does another that doesn't quite add up for me. He hasn't contradicted himself badly enough that I am confident in this read but it makes me uneasy with him. He hasn't done anything that pings me as townie either. Not a scum tell, just means that I don't town-read him either. I also don't see how 'nuanced' is a town tell, nor do I care to know. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
But with only three people on the train you can't say that nobody is doing anything to stop it. It's just idiotic. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On September 10 2016 05:22 Damdred wrote: So, hi. I have destroyed my phone by accidentally flushing it down the toilet. So going to,be kinda not here as much until I get a new one. Will attempt to,catch up and make hf sheep me or sheep hf. Or lynch hf. Also three options possible (love you buddy) On September 11 2016 01:35 Palmar wrote: Yeah I won't do much today I'm probably going to: a) sheep hf b) lynch hf That seems like the most reasonable plan. I'll maybe read a post or two by him later Wow | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
Calix, you're going to hate me even more than you do right now when you'll learn what my strategy coming into the game was (if you care to hear it). | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On September 11 2016 02:49 Damdred wrote: You aren't defending tt with any form of logic besides bad logic in totally neglecting options when they are perfectly viable. And done lots btw, so bussing d1 is in fact a successful strategy. But with only three people on the train you can't say that nobody is doing anything to stop it. It's just idiotic. How is my logic bad? You yourself agreed that TT could be town who the scum aren't trying to defend, lmao. Just because it's done a lot doesn't make it a good strategy. How does "it's done a lot" mean that it's "successful"? Lots of people think non-contribution = scum , doesn't mean that it's a successful scum tell. Your last line makes no sense. The day ends in three hours. He is the leading train regardless of the number of votes. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On September 11 2016 02:52 NeverUnlucky wrote: That Calix post felt townie. Calix, you're going to hate me even more than you do right now when you'll learn what my strategy coming into the game was (if you care to hear it). Could you just say it next time instead of forcing me to ask you for it? If not for me, for the people who have to wade through yet another TvT. Also if you have nothing else to say, can you focus on HF and Damdred's horrible responses instead? This conversation is stupid. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On September 10 2016 06:48 NeverUnlucky wrote: He said something like "Oh, 7 games, he's a noob. According to my newbie tells, he is town." Go figure what that means, zzz. Forgot to add that you shouldn't wait for him to play, but rather pushing him to formulate a read on him, much like I did with Skynx. Hahaha fyi you didn't push me you were just annoying for me as you kept asking why I was lurking when I was trying to read. On a serious note glad i got your attention on Palms, really fallen under the radar. On September 10 2016 06:22 Vivax wrote: This man speaks the truth. A wagon on Palmar is something we need at some point if we want him to do anything at all. Preferably today, or monday. He won't do stuff until he's in danger of being lynched. If he keeps posting like this I won't be able to make a call on his alignment, cause right now he certainly didn't post enough. Agree with the bolded. TTs opener was shitty, but I don't see how the rest of his filter is forced. He certainly doesn't deserve a townread, but neither a scumread as of yet. He should definitely post more. I found TT to be an easy-ish townread once he started getting involved. For HF it doesn't mean much cause he opens aggressively in every game. If anyone ate that bait it was probably superbia, but his opinion on TT wasn't fleshed out in my memory. I got the feeling he was just comfy with HFs opinion, in a world where HF is town. Then proceeded to scumread TW by association (something about TWs read on TT not being townish iirc). The overall feeling was that he just inserted himself along with HF somewhat pretending he doesn't exist. Kudos to you aswell. On September 10 2016 06:38 Tumblewood wrote: palmar disappoints me which is nai. waiting until he decides to play for real 2 down, 4 to go This guy however... | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 11 2016 02:39 Calix wrote: Ew no wtf. I've already explained that bussing is a horrible fucking strategy for Day 1. Town cred is overrated - nobody gives a shit about who voted for who on Day 1 when it comes to a LYLO situation. I've literally never seen anyone be saved from a lynch because "lol they voted for scum on D1" Well I am town and I'm defending TT with logical reasoning because scum have no incentive to stick their neck out for a lurker mislynch, so get the fuck off with that 'logic'. Your last sentence just serves to undermine everything you just said. 0/10, did not like this post whatsoever. Damdred' s post is correct and yours is semi correct. You don't bus for lylo cred. You can bus for normal cred though. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
1) Why is everyone except above ignoring Palmar being underwhelming? 2) Why is guys quoted bit more above sheep Holyflare and do nothing else? | ||
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fuba
United States663 Posts
And he has been defended, in a way. Pushing another lynch defends the current lynch leader. I'm not at all saying that everyone iffy about a TT lynch is scum. I'm saying that if we're voting for someone else, then we're not voting for tt. Scum could push a counter lynch, or simply hop onto one, and not have to worry all that much about being associated with him because he's "just a lurker lynch". I have to get back to work soon. Might be able to sneak a peak at the game before lynch time. Staying on TT because despite HF's overconfidence in the case, I remember finding it compelling at the time and nothing TT has done has convinced me otherwise. Also, the fact that he disappeared right after the votes popped up, and the fact that HF appeared to be (and still is) dead set on lynching him may have sapped his will to fight back. I know it's projecting, but I would be disheartened if HF declared me so strongly scum so early. Anyone know if this would apply to TT too? Like, is he more likely to disappear when he's town being wrongly accused, or scum being correctly accused? Or maybe is neither more likely? | ||
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