• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:29
CEST 16:29
KST 23:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202531Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20259Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder7EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced38BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins EWC 2025 The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings EWC 2025 - Replay Pack #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder BW General Discussion Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL] Non-Korean Championship - Final weekend [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Canadian Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1066 users

[M][T] Haunted Mansion 3 - Page 43

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 41 42 43 44 45 155 Next
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
September 10 2016 17:59 GMT
#841
On September 10 2016 06:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 06:38 Tumblewood wrote:
palmar disappoints me which is nai. waiting until he decides to play for real
2 down, 4 to go


Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 06:34 Tumblewood wrote:
damdred is disappointing enough that I think he is scum. yea, phone stuff, but ehhh for now damdred is scum


What's the difference between the two? Why is an argument scum indicative of one and NAI for the other?

Yeah I might actually never vote you ever.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 10 2016 18:02 GMT
#842
The whole "scum could be pushing another lynch" argument doesn't really check out with the current votes. I see nobody trying to make a push for someone who isn't TT.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong and we end up CFD'ing within like, the last half an hour or so but right now? Nah.
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
September 10 2016 18:02 GMT
#843
On September 11 2016 02:35 Damdred wrote:
You forgot a option tbh, the third option is tt didn't want to play as scum and at least one team mate is light budding with the intent to jump on when the train looks like it,had no breaks,for cred.

COukd it be town tt just going down with the ship, yes it could. But there is no logical reasoning town should defend tt is there? For such a easy target the amount of push back,that has been received from the tt while no one town reads him is staggering tbh.

But really there is so much time left and so few people voting it coups,mean any number of things.

Liking damdred for this post. Basically in line with my thoughts.
@theRealMkfuba07
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 10 2016 18:02 GMT
#844
On September 11 2016 02:59 fuba wrote:
My current thoughts on TT are that no one could really defend him if he's not going to defend himself. It kind of eliminates that entire line of reasoning. On one hand, scum could more easily push a mislynch. On the other, scum couldn't defend him too much without associating themselves with him. I could see the scum waiting to drop onto his side until he started posting again, but being unable to because he never came back.

And he has been defended, in a way. Pushing another lynch defends the current lynch leader. I'm not at all saying that everyone iffy about a TT lynch is scum. I'm saying that if we're voting for someone else, then we're not voting for tt. Scum could push a counter lynch, or simply hop onto one, and not have to worry all that much about being associated with him because he's "just a lurker lynch".

I have to get back to work soon. Might be able to sneak a peak at the game before lynch time. Staying on TT because despite HF's overconfidence in the case, I remember finding it compelling at the time and nothing TT has done has convinced me otherwise. Also, the fact that he disappeared right after the votes popped up, and the fact that HF appeared to be (and still is) dead set on lynching him may have sapped his will to fight back. I know it's projecting, but I would be disheartened if HF declared me so strongly scum so early. Anyone know if this would apply to TT too?

Like, is he more likely to disappear when he's town being wrongly accused, or scum being correctly accused? Or maybe is neither more likely?


Idk why you think you are shifty d1 you've had some good posts.

I like you more as time goes.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
September 10 2016 18:02 GMT
#845
Still unsure about fuba. Went through the guys voting TT atm and HF was the guy who originated that scumread, superbia chimed in but decided to instead vote TW for his read on TT. Haven't heard much from him since.

Damdred adds to HF's points that his entrance was forced, that TT lurks as scum.

As for fuba I have no clue what his reasons for voting TT are. The closest I got was this. Where he says to check his post above, but in that post he's adressing NUs posts. So still no clue what fubas reason for the vote on TT are. On page 1 he spends more time talking about TW than TT whom he's voting. If anyone has any idea what fuba is voting TT for, enlighten me.

His biggish posts are townie but that might be wall of text bias.

On September 10 2016 08:50 fuba wrote:
And before anyone mentions it, I am still voting for TT right now. If my post above didn't convince anyone, then I'm not going to have the impetus today and tomorrow to push it through. Scum NU doesn't eliminate scum TT as far as I can remember.

I work tomorrow from 8am-4pm, which is the deadline. I may be able to pop in about 3-4 hours before that for a few minutes, but will be otherwise unavailable.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 10 2016 18:02 GMT
#846
Fuba I have no idea but last game when I was mafia I pushed ticktock as mafia a d he came back and started countering all the points and fighting back.

For some reason people think I'd do that two games in a row.

Also, he was afk a shit load as town last game too.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 10 2016 18:02 GMT
#847
Also there are more people defending the "TT is scum who his team mates don't want to risk defending" angle than there are people actually defending TT, lmao.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 18:04 GMT
#848
NU
Vivax
Fuba
Calix
Gra
ck
Superbia
Holyflare
Skynx
TW
TT
Shapelog
Palmar
Damdred
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 10 2016 18:07 GMT
#849
Calix you're either mafia or you don't know when you're wifoming.

Mafia can do anything they want at any point in the game and you don't know our meta. If anyone was throwing suspicions away from tt for no valid reason it would be you.

Tt has three votes, tt has not come back to post, people ARE defending tt etc etc.

Stop talking around people's posts and what THEY have done and talking about wifom scenarios it's bad play regardless of your alignment.

You should pick a person to mafia read and post why they are mafia for reasons rhey have done.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
September 10 2016 18:08 GMT
#850
Man p34 is way too long but I'm kinda liking Gracks defence.

HF you seem to be pretty convinced both Grack n TT are mafia which one are we lynching today? And what about the other one if todays lynch flips town?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
September 10 2016 18:09 GMT
#851
On September 11 2016 02:58 Skynx wrote:
I still have to catchup but putting aside the reads, two main pointers in my mind:
1) Why is everyone except above ignoring Palmar being underwhelming?
2) Why is guys quoted bit more above sheep Holyflare and do nothing else?


A bit of Palmar meta.

Palmar can be an ass. He's unpredictable. Some games he tries, some games he openly doesn't give a fuck.

He absolutely hates being vigged, and thinks that not getting lynched is one of towns first tasks.

IE in the case he's playing his not give a fuck style, you get a wagon on him going and he's going to be forced to play. If he still doesn't care, you keep lynching. Not on weekends though cause he does stuff with his family (for example playing mafia with kids, he's already breeding the next generation of tl mafia players).

Btw fuba nice ninja.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 10 2016 18:10 GMT
#852
On September 11 2016 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Calix you're either mafia or you don't know when you're wifoming.

Mafia can do anything they want at any point in the game and you don't know our meta. If anyone was throwing suspicions away from tt for no valid reason it would be you.

Tt has three votes, tt has not come back to post, people ARE defending tt etc etc.

Stop talking around people's posts and what THEY have done and talking about wifom scenarios it's bad play regardless of your alignment.

You should pick a person to mafia read and post why they are mafia for reasons rhey have done.


I know I am town. Why would I say "oh yeah I am defending TT so he must be mafia being defended"?

No, I don't know the meta. That doesn't make my point invalid. What are you even arguing here, that since nobody is defending him that he is still scum that the scum aren't trying to defend? Otherwise what is your point with WIFOM?

No idea what you are even calling me out for here with 'talking around posts'.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
September 10 2016 18:13 GMT
#853
On September 10 2016 09:58 Holyflare wrote:
No it's actually not at all. A certain scum read on someone at the start of the game generates a million times more discussion than crap discussions about mechanics, it also helps me make reads on people such as Grack being mafia now and it let's me see who is keen on just skating by and ignoring it.

It's a very strong opening.

But in this case I actually do think that Ticktock is mafia because:

Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
Simple facts are:

TT did an opening to try and mimic Trfel from last game really obviously but it looked really forced/stiff
TT posted no content and only one liner posts agreeing
TT's only posts wildly different from his town opening
TT posted something that he couldn't/shouldn't have posted because of what he said
TT has gone afk and done nothing

But... he's not mafia?


I mean nearly all these stuff are applicable to Palmar as well. However you are ready to ignore him cuz of meta.
You say not defending when pressure doesn't fit town!TT meta but in meantime TT is totally entirely afk from this game while Palmar is pretty much here but refuses to post any content. Why are you not considering him?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 10 2016 18:13 GMT
#854
Why would scum defend scum when that scum isn't trying? Why would scum not hop onto,the tt wagon and solidify it when he's a easy lynch and no,real reprocussions?
Both questions are wifom but both have to be answered for your position calix
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 10 2016 18:14 GMT
#855
On September 11 2016 03:13 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 09:58 Holyflare wrote:
No it's actually not at all. A certain scum read on someone at the start of the game generates a million times more discussion than crap discussions about mechanics, it also helps me make reads on people such as Grack being mafia now and it let's me see who is keen on just skating by and ignoring it.

It's a very strong opening.

But in this case I actually do think that Ticktock is mafia because:

On September 10 2016 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
Simple facts are:

TT did an opening to try and mimic Trfel from last game really obviously but it looked really forced/stiff
TT posted no content and only one liner posts agreeing
TT's only posts wildly different from his town opening
TT posted something that he couldn't/shouldn't have posted because of what he said
TT has gone afk and done nothing

But... he's not mafia?


I mean nearly all these stuff are applicable to Palmar as well. However you are ready to ignore him cuz of meta.
You say not defending when pressure doesn't fit town!TT meta but in meantime TT is totally entirely afk from this game while Palmar is pretty much here but refuses to post any content. Why are you not considering him?


Palmar can have a date with the noose Monday but not really going to consider him on a weekend and that's the main reason.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
September 10 2016 18:15 GMT
#856
On September 11 2016 03:09 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 02:58 Skynx wrote:
I still have to catchup but putting aside the reads, two main pointers in my mind:
1) Why is everyone except above ignoring Palmar being underwhelming?
2) Why is guys quoted bit more above sheep Holyflare and do nothing else?


A bit of Palmar meta.

Palmar can be an ass. He's unpredictable. Some games he tries, some games he openly doesn't give a fuck.

He absolutely hates being vigged, and thinks that not getting lynched is one of towns first tasks.

IE in the case he's playing his not give a fuck style, you get a wagon on him going and he's going to be forced to play. If he still doesn't care, you keep lynching. Not on weekends though cause he does stuff with his family (for example playing mafia with kids, he's already breeding the next generation of tl mafia players).

Btw fuba nice ninja.

So in this situation you think we should stay with TT or pressure him? They both expressed their disinterest in the game but one is getting lynched and one is completely getting ignored.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 10 2016 18:16 GMT
#857
On September 11 2016 03:13 Damdred wrote:
Why would scum defend scum when that scum isn't trying? Why would scum not hop onto,the tt wagon and solidify it when he's a easy lynch and no,real reprocussions?
Both questions are wifom but both have to be answered for your position calix


If both questions are WIFOM then how am I supposed to answer them exactly...? We don't KNOW what the scum are thinking. I am just going to the simplest conclusion of "TT is town and the scum are allowing him to get MLed"

My theory only assumes that TT is town and the scum are not trying to defend him.

Any other theories assume he is scum and that scum are using WIFOM in their strategies.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 10 2016 18:18 GMT
#858
Everything in mafia is wifom, me knowing all theories at this point is wifom doesn't negate the question.

And no that's not the easiest answer,because three votes isn't a lynch by any means
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
September 10 2016 18:21 GMT
#859
Also can someone gimme a quick recap of fuba vs NU i almost completely ignored that.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 10 2016 18:21 GMT
#860
On September 11 2016 03:18 Damdred wrote:
Everything in mafia is wifom, me knowing all theories at this point is wifom doesn't negate the question.

And no that's not the easiest answer,because three votes isn't a lynch by any means


Your answers continue to be terrible. My theory is simpler and far more likely. You just sound like you're using WIFOM to justify a mislynch.

He's the current lynch. Nobody is doing anything to prevent that. Your point of "he isn't lynched yet" doesn't negate my argument of "nobody is trying to not make TT the lynch"
Prev 1 41 42 43 44 45 155 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 56
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mcanning 359
Hui .331
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 37793
Bisu 1737
EffOrt 1504
Barracks 814
ggaemo 770
BeSt 691
firebathero 441
Mini 431
PianO 324
Larva 307
[ Show more ]
Soma 186
hero 110
Stork 106
TY 101
Mind 87
Snow 77
ToSsGirL 72
JYJ57
Hyun 57
[sc1f]eonzerg 43
Movie 39
sSak 37
sorry 32
Sacsri 31
Free 30
sas.Sziky 29
soO 23
Yoon 19
Hm[arnc] 11
Bale 9
Terrorterran 9
IntoTheRainbow 6
ivOry 3
GuemChi 0
Dota 2
Gorgc5972
qojqva3465
420jenkins316
XcaliburYe225
syndereN205
KheZu154
League of Legends
Reynor82
Counter-Strike
ScreaM3859
markeloff566
byalli546
edward62
Heroes of the Storm
XaKoH 197
Other Games
singsing2051
hiko1043
crisheroes440
DeMusliM427
Happy295
Fuzer 252
Lowko230
oskar177
QueenE45
rGuardiaN25
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta156
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 5030
• WagamamaTV451
League of Legends
• Jankos1267
• TFBlade391
Upcoming Events
Online Event
1h 31m
Wayne vs ArT
Strange vs Nicoract
Shameless vs GgMaChine
YoungYakov vs MilkiCow
OSC
3h 31m
Cham vs Bunny
ByuN vs TriGGeR
SHIN vs Krystianer
ShoWTimE vs Spirit
WardiTV European League
1d 1h
MaNa vs NightPhoenix
ByuN vs YoungYakov
ShoWTimE vs Nicoract
Harstem vs ArT
Korean StarCraft League
1d 12h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 19h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 21h
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs TBD
WardiTV European League
2 days
Online Event
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs TBD
[ Show More ]
WardiTV European League
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
OSC
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
Roobet Cup 2025
Yuqilin POB S2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.