On September 11 2016 01:35 Palmar wrote:
Yeah I won't do much today

I'm probably going to:

a) sheep hf
b) lynch hf

That seems like the most reasonable plan. I'll maybe read a post or two by him later

Palmar start on page 34 and read about 5 pages. That will give you a good taste of both options.

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 18:22 GMT

#862

Damdred, who would you lynch if not TT?

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 18:33 GMT

#876

lol HF I've just been reading through that old survivor game where I failed to lynch you for inspiration.

Let the record show that 2 years ago-Grackaroni was a baller.

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 18:54 GMT

#902

On September 11 2016 03:48 Calix wrote:

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On September 11 2016 03:45 Holyflare wrote:

On September 11 2016 03:27 Calix wrote:

On September 11 2016 03:24 Holyflare wrote:

On September 11 2016 03:10 Calix wrote:

On September 11 2016 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Calix you're either mafia or you don't know when you're wifoming.

Mafia can do anything they want at any point in the game and you don't know our meta. If anyone was throwing suspicions away from tt for no valid reason it would be you.

Tt has three votes, tt has not come back to post, people ARE defending tt etc etc.

Stop talking around people's posts and what THEY have done and talking about wifom scenarios it's bad play regardless of your alignment.

You should pick a person to mafia read and post why they are mafia for reasons rhey have done.

I know I am town. Why would I say "oh yeah I am defending TT so he must be mafia being defended"?

No, I don't know the meta. That doesn't make my point invalid. What are you even arguing here, that since nobody is defending him that he is still scum that the scum aren't trying to defend? Otherwise what is your point with WIFOM?

No idea what you are even calling me out for here with 'talking around posts'.

If you are defending him and are town then it goes to say that your entire point about mafia should be defending him if he's mafia is irrelevant because town can also defend him.

Wifom seems to be the entirety of your argument for not voting a scummy guy.

Everyone should look at my logic and say if it's right and sheep it because tt is mafia or wrong and he's not and PROVE why.

Also vivax why have you let damdred be there saying tt's mafia meta is to afk when you just saw him afk as town?

Mafia are not going to stand by and let one of their own die on Day 1. Several people have said "oh I don't find the TT case convincing" so it's not like the case is so airtight that the scum will give up if TT is scum. So the utter lack of scum defending him or pushing for a different train doesn't make sense.

How do you know those people aren't mafia????

I don't. What I was saying there is that there is enough doubt about TT's alignment that scum have room to make a more coordinated defense of TT/ attack of someone else. And I don't see why they wouldn't because bussing is a horrendous scum move.

Although if I'm to trust TW, you guys actually bus on D1? wtf

Bussing on day 1 isn't that common here unless it's done so reactively i.e. this guy is screwed and I don't want to be one of the people not on his wagon on this vote.

Nobody is going to outright defend TT because he hasn't posted anything of value. The more important thing here is that nobody is really putting themselves out at all to push an alternative lynch aside from me and Tumblewood.

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 19:00 GMT

#909

I have no idea why because I can't identify any of Damdred's posts that make me feel this way, but I think Shapelog/TT would both be better lynches than Damdred.

I still fully expect Palmar to show up in some capacity before the deadline, and hopefully he can weigh in on what I've written about HF.

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 19:03 GMT

#910

HF, are you saying in the first post you quoted that you made your scum read to try to generate discussion?

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 19:21 GMT

#938

On September 11 2016 04:13 Palmar wrote:
yeah I'm not putting in effort enough today to change my mind and I was mildly attracted to HF's manliness before, so I'm just gonna sheep him.

No Palmar you are stealing my glory just like Marv did. I am very dissapoint.

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 19:24 GMT

#945

Palmar how much have you actually read?

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 19:27 GMT

#952

On September 11 2016 04:25 Palmar wrote:
like the only reason damdred looks like mafia is because he hasn't said anything super smart yet that I remember. But there is the disclaimer I haven't actually read the game so whatever.

Basically I need him to make a good case or good point at some point.

Seriously All I'm asking you to do is to read from pg 34-36ish. Then make up your mind. I'm actually feeling pretty good on this.

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 19:34 GMT

#972

On September 11 2016 04:32 Palmar wrote:
@Grack, can you tell me what I'm looking for? Logical inconsistencies? Tone problems?

It seems more like he's trying to paint TT scum than analyzing the game.

I think that's especially evident in the long convoluted reasoning that is coming out of some minor inconsistency.

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 19:44 GMT

#990

On September 11 2016 04:42 Palmar wrote:
maybe fuba's mafia, can't remember a single post

You still aren't reading. I'm going to be annoyed if you don't leave any comment on what I've wrote.

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 19:45 GMT

#995

Lynching mafia HF is my dream Palmar. Surely you can understand.

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 20:01 GMT

#1025

On September 11 2016 04:47 Holyflare wrote:

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Like that time you were so sure of lynching mafia hf in onegu 2 ok.

Ok that time was bad. I should have picked up on the fact that the entire scum team disappeared while I was pushing you.

Let me give you a history lesson.

2 years ago I was 1 vote away from killing the mafia HF. By some act of divine providence I listed all 4 of the mafia members as my scum reads.

On February 16 2014 07:23 Grackaroni wrote:

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Oh I have.
Keirathi
Yamato
WoS
HF

And still my dream was crushed in the last minute by the wavering Marvellosity's failure to commit. Also it turns out my filter was 19 pages of 1 liners, which is amazing.

Then HF made a bold prediction:

On February 19 2014 09:29 Holyflare wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Risen

inb4 grack, risen, va and obs thread tell everyone scum team was obvious and about how "right" they were

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Yes.

And then I delivered:

On February 19 2014 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:
First off, excellent inb4 by HolyFlare - This is the moment I wait for every game I sign up lol.

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Never again. Don't be that Marvellosity!

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 20:13 GMT

#1039

On September 11 2016 05:12 Calix wrote:
Who cares if he's giving a middle finger? I'm not interested in a policy-lynch on an inactive that people are trying to dress up as a scum-read lynch. You're the first person who has actually called a spade a spade.

But that's really my whole point. If someone is trying to dress up an inactive as a scum-read lynch then they are pretty likely scum.

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 20:16 GMT

#1046

On September 11 2016 05:14 Palmar wrote:

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It's not about that.

Tictock is objectively scummy.

He did that thing in the early game with the scumclaim. That's fine and all, and loads of people do it, but the only way it ever works out for town is if you then follow up by looking at the people who react to it. He did very little analysis following the claim.

He also did the whole "I'll talk more after dinner" and then disappeared. If he had just disappeared it wouldn't have meant anything, but because he claimed he'd be back it's clear he wanted to appear as if he was contributing.

Neither of these make him lock mafia, but both of them, combined with his short filter and poorly explained reads make him a pretty solid day 1 lynch. He is a high % mafia target.

You and I both do this all of the time with absolutely no "analysis following the claim."

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 20:17 GMT

#1052

I really feel silly right now because TT could very well be my #2 lynch, but I think HF is a way better lynch from the way he went about pushing him.

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 20:21 GMT

#1065

On September 11 2016 05:16 Vivax wrote:
That post by Grack where he's indirectly bitch slapping Palmar gave me a real boner.
Why don't you just head for another lynch Grack? Marv isn't this game, so the worst case scenario is that your reads get flushed down the drain in the name of british patriotism in a HF vs Calix showdown.

I don't understand the question.

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 20:26 GMT

#1078

On September 11 2016 05:25 Holyflare wrote:
Is tt gonna get modkill?

Should we vote elsewhere?

There's no activity requirements so I think there's no modkills.

Grackaroni

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September 10 2016 20:27 GMT

#1081

YAY SHAPELOG IS HERE. HI SHAPELOG.