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On September 10 2016 06:21 Rels wrote:
Day 1 Votecount
Tictock (2): Holyflare, fuba, Calix
fuba (2): NeverUnlucky, Calix
Tumblewood (1): Superbia, Superbia
Calix (0): NeverUnlucky
Superbia (0): Superbia
Skynx (0): NeverUnlucky
Not Voting (8): Skynx, Damdred, Palmar, Grackaroni, Vivax, Tumblewood, Shapelog, Tictock
Day 1 ends Saturday, Sep 10 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
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bad people
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whenever we want to switch over to my lynch you're welcome
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On September 10 2016 06:09 Vivax wrote:For HF: Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:13 Vivax wrote:A simple summary/caselet of scummy shit superbia did: - Spammed the early game up with the stream thingy cause it tends to get people townread, got sloppy about it for the sake of spamming and made the mistake about the roles. - While having a circle of suspects of TW/TT/Grack, the best question that comes to his mind for Calix is about NeverU, literally the guy calix talked about the most so far. Any other question could have been more productive. Calix opinion on NeverU was already fairly obvious from earlier convos. - That question wasn't related to superbias current circle of suspects -> ergo it was just a question to appear active, get people to talk about what they want to talk. And on top of it, it was a question easy for Calix to answer given that her opinion on NU is probably the most fleshed out in the game. - One point that isn't as important to me, but still relevant: The fact he had the same early scumreads as HF but somehow didn't relate to what HF wrote about them, or talked about HFs posts on them. This usually wouldn't be a problem if superbia actually brought up points of his own that seemed better to him than HFs points, but since I don't really see anything explaining why TT is mafia, this isn't the case. On September 09 2016 22:03 Superbia wrote:On September 09 2016 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
How are both those people related?
(shit did someone say something earlier and now my thread reading is a lie?) They're both in this game. I have been inclined to group them together though I believe this has been covered by Calix before. TW's read on TT seemed non-existent and kind of forced. Plus he was willing to ignore your push on him because of 'paranoia'. Felt awkward. Like "look at how townie-paranoid I am" while not committing to anything. This is the reason superbia believes them to be suspect. It looks entirely based on TWs read on TT. You tell me if that's a good reason.
also not ignoring this because i really did agree with your spammy point
the rest is meh-ish to ok but:
- One point that isn't as important to me, but still relevant: The fact he had the same early scumreads as HF but somehow didn't relate to what HF wrote about them, or talked about HFs posts on them. This usually wouldn't be a problem if superbia actually brought up points of his own that seemed better to him than HFs points, but since I don't really see anything explaining why TT is mafia, this isn't the case.
^ explain that plz
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I voted tt, can I just ask and trust you to get this lynch done hf?
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nah i'm lazy as fuck but i'll yell so it's all good in the hood
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I took some time to write up my perspective on this HF-TT thing.
On September 10 2016 02:25 Holyflare wrote:
The only time I have seen someone defend someone so hard when they've done shit all the entire game and someone makes a case on them day 1 the defender has been mafia so probably Grack is actually the most suspicious of them all.
First, I don't know where all of this hyperbole is coming from. I don't have much of any opinion on Ticktock. He made 5 meh posts at the start of the game.
The point of my post on HF's TT case was entirely in relation to HF because I think I had some valid points to make about HF from that case, which I will try to make clearer.
This was my view on TT's posts:
On September 09 2016 23:50 Vivax wrote:
Definitely not having the confidence HF has on TT based on so little. Remains nullish for me.
Really there's not much interesting in there. He makes 2 posts to say that he rolled scum. He makes 2 +1 posts. And then he gives some brief thoughts on the setup.
Now, there were three things from Holyflare that I did not like in the push that I alluded to earlier. The first one was this:
On September 09 2016 11:10 Holyflare wrote:
Read his filter and look at how forced it looks that he's giving out reads such as "I like this post" and similar crap.
On September 09 2016 09:47 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 06:59 Shapelog wrote:
Hmm, I wanted to say vivax came into the game and only has pointed out sus, things in other people's posts (aka following mafia agenda). But he did play around a little bit with skynx and palmar post.
I'll give you a fairly lazy townlean for this post.
On September 09 2016 09:51 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 07:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:
It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following:
- Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears.
- There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.
- We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised. Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought. Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, but To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot. She ends her post with an excuse to why she wouldn't post in the upcoming hours. It's something scum tends to do more, but it still is NAI. Scum-reading Calix. @Vivax, don't give me or her the benefit of the doubt because we're "new", we aren't. We're both familiar to mafia. Giving either of us (especially her) a chance, it could be all we need to fly under your radar. I like this guy, this is a solid post.
Contrast to Skynx here Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 07:01 Skynx wrote:
Nothing good on tv/twitch and you guys are no fun, I'm offski to bed. First to post, been around, fucks off without saying anything and right about when things start happening.
These were the posts in question. Does anyone agree with this assessment? They look like normal posts to me. I've definitely made posts like that as town.
The second thing was the focus on the talking about setup contradiction. Contradictions are only scummy if you can show some mafia motivation behind them. I don't see any here. I do, however, think you can pretty easily convince people that someone is scummy for contradicting themselves in some fluff post when their post shouldn't be viewed any differently than any other setup post. And frankly if you do think the contradiction was scummy (which I don't think you should), I will note that it wasn't even much of a contradiction to begin with. His main point was that we should just play the game like everyone is a VT.
The third thing was just the sheer certainty from Holyflare:
On September 09 2016 10:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will never in 1000 fiery years vote anyone other than ticktock today.
I mean this is just weird to me. It's entirely possible Holyflare is just really full of his reads but it's still a lot. He's carried out this push throughout the rest of the day (and me by extension.)
Now, here are what I view as the mafia motivations for the 3 points:
For point #1: He seems to be twisting the filter to try to make it sound scummier than it actually is.
For point #2: I think he is focusing on a contradiction that he can portray as scummy when I think he should be good enough to realize that it isn't very alignment indicative. TT said he didn't like talking about the setup and then said something about the setup. So what?
For point #3: As town in Onegu 2 he sat back for the start of the day and didn't really push anybody until quite late in the day when he questioned Lunatic. At the end he tried to start a last minute wagon on Glowingbear and was unable to overcome my amazing Kushm4sta squirm case (which failed badly, but his case also failed. Really it was an entire game of fails.)
As scum in Star Wars he made an early case on Tumblewood and was more proactive.
I do believe that HF could be more inclined to try to put himself in a good position as scum and may have jumped out of the gate a tad bit early. He definitely cares a lot about his mafia record.
So these were the points I was trying to make. I'm not even convinced that I want to lynch HF but I still wanted to post something to preempt his shennanies.
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ticktock is mafia and we are lynching him and nothing you can say will change that
what a waste of a wall of text
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For point #2: I think he is focusing on a contradiction that he can portray as scummy when I think he should be good enough to realize that it isn't very alignment indicative. TT said he didn't like talking about the setup and then said something about the setup. So what?
scummiest fucking thing in the universe that's what
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On September 10 2016 03:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 02:53 fuba wrote:
I'd thought that "lynchbait" is when a player is prone to attracting votes as town, which would indicate a TW town read from NU, given that he doesn't have any knowledge of TW's meta. And I was well aware that this is contrary to his general thoughts on TW at that point in the game. That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip.
Actually, mentioning that he's lynchbait is counterproductive to getting TW lynched, so why even mention it? Gonna need to think about this more after work - need my computer in front of me XD Odd that you change your stance on this point after Vivax and I called you out for it.
What did I change my mind about? Nothing really changed about what I said earlier, aside from my second from last sentence bringing up a point I hadn't considered before.
Calling him bad =/= town-reading him.
I may have rushed my explanation, but I didn't think you were townreading him. That is why it's strange you would call him lynchbait in your first game with him. It implied believing TW was town despite your push against him.
What does my knowledge of TW's meta have to do with any of this?
Covered this.
"That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip."
So you know he is going to flip town with the addition of the 'when'. I do not see why else you found the need to add this word after 'if' which is a conditional, meaning you know he's town. Scumslip.
Flimsiest "scumslip" I've ever heard of. Like, it's so insignificant that it's ridiculously hard to come up with any response. People say "if and when" all the time. They say it when they mean "if". It's not indicative of anything whatsoever.
You're also trying to tie up TW's flip to me which is scummy as fuck. IE - X flipped town and was pushed by Y, therefore Y is scum. You are already setting up a mislynch on me knowing that TW will flip town.
I'm thinking about the game. That is what you are accusing me of. People decide that if something happens, it would likely indicate something else literally all the time. It's like a core aspect of the game. You're making it seem as though what I said requires that I know TW is town, which it does not. Whole point is null and void. (see how I could have just said null, but I said both together because it is a thing that people say?)
You're also saying this despite the fact that you strongly feel TW is scum. Do you see the problem here? You're saying both of us are scum, while at the same time saying that my supposition that a town TW could mean a scum UN is setting you up for a lynch. It's impossible in your scenario for both of us to be scum, but that is what you would have us believe. While I said that if TW flips town, you might be scum, you are calling me scum NOW for something that goes against your own belief in what's going on in the thread.
Man this feels good.
What makes you say that I wanted him lynched? Scum-read =/= desire to lynch
That is, in fact, the definition of a scum read for me. Not sure how you could not want to lynch scum reads. I suppose that from your PoV as someone who plays with more scumreads than there are scum, you don't want to lynch them all maybe? However, this is a silly nonsensical thing to point out. It's obvious what I meant.
Fuba is scum.
Uh, false.
Going through this actually made me more confident in you being scum. Especially that second (technically third) response from the end. You're looking at the game as someone who has to make himself see people as scum because he knows they're not. The whole "lynchbait" thing doesn't even need to come into play, even though I still think it holds weight.
Time to eat.
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On September 10 2016 08:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +For point #2: I think he is focusing on a contradiction that he can portray as scummy when I think he should be good enough to realize that it isn't very alignment indicative. TT said he didn't like talking about the setup and then said something about the setup. So what? scummiest fucking thing in the universe that's what
please explain the motivation.
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On September 10 2016 07:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 07:08 fuba wrote:On September 10 2016 07:03 Vivax wrote:On September 10 2016 06:58 fuba wrote:On September 10 2016 06:44 fuba wrote:On September 10 2016 06:33 Vivax wrote:On September 10 2016 06:26 fuba wrote:On September 10 2016 06:08 Vivax wrote:On September 10 2016 04:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share.
I don't see anything wrong about this? Isn't she allowed to have a few reads that are the same as yours? Or to change her mind? Doesn't really seem like a reason to be suspicious of anything to me. I'm glad somebody else sees that fuba is playing very timidly to say the least. On top of it he attacked you with superbia for calling TW lynch bait, but not HF. Seems especially strange cause you were more vocal about the opinion on TW. HF has the right to call TW lynchbait based off of meta. NU has to call him lynchbait based on his knowledge from this game. Which means he thinks or knows that TW is town. If that is not the case, then he should just think he is scum. Calling him lynchbait is at the least inconsistent with his scumread of TW. At worst it is a slip. And his intentional misinterpretation of the post he quoted is making me think slip. How is this not obvious? FYI Tumble is not lynch bait. When he started playing around here he was perfectly capable of concise , informative posts with lists and reasoning and stuff, and he was jailkeeper a while back and got NKd N1. Not lynched. Not sure why he's started to go into wobbly land with his posting, but when he posts differently than in those games it's never a bad call to lynch him. And what does this have to do with you bitching about NU for using that term but not finding it suspicious in the slightest in HF? Is there any particular wording I missed that NU used that makes it more worth noticing? I could at least see HF having a different view of TW than you. I read the first few pages of the last game and thought TW was scum. HF was there, and said he had felt the same. In any case, it doesn't matter, because he at least has a right to an opinion of whether TW is lynchbait or not. He's seen him play as town before. NU has not. He has no reference point from which to call TW lynchbait. Except for this game. You are lynchbait if, as town, you behave in a scummy manner. UN only has this game from which to draw a conclusion. As I say this, I realize that I'm assuming it's his first game here rather than one of his first games here. However, assuming he's never played with TW before, my point stands strong. No response vivax? It's a response that seemed reasonable, but that's it. In the context of him actually scumreading TW, I don't see how you reach the conclusion that he's mafia for calling him lynch bait in whatever way. I assume you think he spewed him town there having TMI? Important question. I'm gonna come up with an analogy that will explain my current thought process about this eventually. To answer your question, I didn't originally think so, but since I was brought up, and I started to think about it more closely, yes. From my perspective, the only way UN could see TW as lynchbait is if he knows he's town. This is what I wanted to hear. Cause you pointed him spewing TW town at a time when you were scumreading TW, which makes it in my opinion a very unlikely thought to come to your mind when reading NUs post. Or explained differently. If you're holding the belief that TW is scum, you wouldn't hold the belief that somebody just scumslipped that he's town. Which is one more reason you're a good lynch !
I don't actually remember saying anything about TW all game. I've only mentioned him in relation to NU's comments about him. Are you thinking about ticktock? Because I am scumreading ticktock. He was really my only scumread until all of this happened.
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And before anyone mentions it, I am still voting for TT right now. If my post above didn't convince anyone, then I'm not going to have the impetus today and tomorrow to push it through. Scum NU doesn't eliminate scum TT as far as I can remember.
I work tomorrow from 8am-4pm, which is the deadline. I may be able to pop in about 3-4 hours before that for a few minutes, but will be otherwise unavailable.
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On September 10 2016 07:15 Damdred wrote:
Tbh I kinda just want to lynch into tt, grac and palmar today.
gdi I can't lynch Damdred. he is consistently the least idiotic player in every game. look at this list. it's good. could use Hf but my paranoia taints my opinion
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and holy shit NU is the next jealous
yo NU you have a lot of learning to do
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On September 10 2016 08:38 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 08:32 Holyflare wrote:For point #2: I think he is focusing on a contradiction that he can portray as scummy when I think he should be good enough to realize that it isn't very alignment indicative. TT said he didn't like talking about the setup and then said something about the setup. So what? scummiest fucking thing in the universe that's what please explain the motivation.
GRACKARONI THANK YOU FOR BEING SMART
ok my lynch pool is tt, Palmar, Hf for today with a side of superbia
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I really don't feel like responding to this. Wanted to take a step back from this game.
On September 10 2016 08:38 fuba wrote:
What did I change my mind about? Nothing really changed about what I said earlier, aside from my second from last sentence bringing up a point I hadn't considered before.
Go read.
I may have rushed my explanation, but I didn't think you were townreading him. That is why it's strange you would call him lynchbait in your first game with him. It implied believing TW was town despite your push against him.
See, you're contradicting yourself again. You state that you didn't think that I was town-reading him, yet believe that I thought he was town. Town-reading someone IS thinking someone is town.
Flimsiest "scumslip" I've ever heard of. Like, it's so insignificant that it's ridiculously hard to come up with any response. People say "if and when" all the time. They say it when they mean "if". It's not indicative of anything whatsoever.
Very cool, very interesting, very dank.
However, the question was: why did you feel the need to add 'when' in there? What does this word tell us that 'if' doesn't? Nothing, but implying that you knew that TW was town.
I'm thinking about the game. That is what you are accusing me of. People decide that if something happens, it would likely indicate something else literally all the time. It's like a core aspect of the game. You're making it seem as though what I said requires that I know TW is town, which it does not. Whole point is null and void. (see how I could have just said null, but I said both together because it is a thing that people say?)
You are only thinking about me and TW. All of your posts are about either of us. You're not thinking about the game.
AGAIN, you talk theoretically without making connections to the game which is a scumtell!
You're also saying this despite the fact that you strongly feel TW is scum. Do you see the problem here? You're saying both of us are scum, while at the same time saying that my supposition that a town TW could mean a scum UN is setting you up for a lynch. It's impossible in your scenario for both of us to be scum, but that is what you would have us believe. While I said that if TW flips town, you might be scum, you are calling me scum NOW for something that goes against your own belief in what's going on in the thread.
I don't strongly feel that TW is scum, that's not true. The only read I am confident in is my Vivax TR. If I strongly felt that TW was scum, I'd be voting him.
Lmao, you talk about pre-flip associations Day 1. I scum-read you both individually, not as a team. No one should read players off of others, especially not D1.
I called you scum a while back, sir.
What is the "something that goes against my own belief in what's going on in the thread"?
That is, in fact, the definition of a scum read for me. Not sure how you could not want to lynch scum reads. I suppose that from your PoV as someone who plays with more scumreads than there are scum, you don't want to lynch them all maybe? However, this is a silly nonsensical thing to point out. It's obvious what I meant.
I'm standing at 6 scum-reads, there are 3 scums. Of course I do not want to lynch all of my scum-reads even more so because I am not confident enough in most of them.
Yes, it's a common thing for players not to systematically want to lynch their scum-reads. i.e. I wouldn't ever lynch Calix day 1 even if I scum-read her because she at least posts and tries to contribute, and I respect that.
Going through this actually made me more confident in you being scum. Especially that second (technically third) response from the end. You're looking at the game as someone who has to make himself see people as scum because he knows they're not. The whole "lynchbait" thing doesn't even need to come into play, even though I still think it holds weight.
If you look at my posts on people, it's clear that I do not know anyone's alignment. My reads have always been nuanced and always had reasoning (like it or not, I have reasoning to sr you).
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are you actually being fucking serious?
he has no content to post, he's struggling with his entrance (look at his town game entrance completely different and actually has content?!?!) and his only substantial post of the game is something he specifically says is boring and that he hasn't read:
a) he's not going to post content like that while explaining that he skimmed over content like that it's a fucking bs mindset
b) he's not going to post content like that while explaining that he skimmed over content like that because he might be posting things people have already said.
SO what we have here is that ticktock has LIED about not reading the posts and has actually skimmed and knows what they've said OR he's not read them and then he's posting useless shit as his only content of the game that he said was boring that he knows full well other people COULD have said <------- and if THAT is the case then he's literally posting just for the sake of posting which, again, is a mafia mindset.
Who posts something like that after acknowledging that it already exists but not knowing their content? Mafia.
Perhaps you should actually read his god damn filter from his town game instead of harping on about how it's bs and overplayed when it's literally night and day differences between substantial reads from his town game and simple "Yeah I like that post" bs in this game. It's hilarious that you've actually for some reason looked at two of my previous games and ignored absolutely every other game I've ever played and concluded that I never do these kind of pushes as town when vivax has literally told you 3-4 times that I am this aggressive as either alignment whenever I want to be.
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On September 10 2016 08:50 fuba wrote:
And before anyone mentions it, I am still voting for TT right now. If my post above didn't convince anyone, then I'm not going to have the impetus today and tomorrow to push it through. Scum NU doesn't eliminate scum TT as far as I can remember.
I work tomorrow from 8am-4pm, which is the deadline. I may be able to pop in about 3-4 hours before that for a few minutes, but will be otherwise unavailable.
Scum NU busses/sr his teammates before they're even scum-read fyi. Calix can confirm.
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On September 10 2016 08:54 Tumblewood wrote:
and holy shit NU is the next jealous
yo NU you have a lot of learning to do[/QUOTE]
Why thank you, Jealous is an awesome guy.
yo NU you have a lot of learning to do
Lmaooooooo, who the fuck said that Tumblewood was self-conscious?
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Grackaroni sin counter:
Grackaroni mafia counter: Very, very, very high.
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