Newbie Student Mafia XXIII - Page 45

On September 28 2016 15:12 scott31337 wrote:
So these quiet Europeans are some bullshit.
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Calix - Who are your two scum reads - you were never quiet until you were dead last game, what has changed?

DanelerH - Actually been here today a bit, but answer as well - What do you think of Stutters? Who are your two scum reads?

ptmc - Who are your two scum reads?

Stutters695 - Two scum reads -asked already, "I'll be back" - waiting for response.

Rels - Who are your two scum reads?

On September 28 2016 19:40 ptmc wrote:


Finally someone also sees the scumminess in him. I was starting to think i was insane



Please do. there are definitely cases where I can see him being town in the future, but I don't feel like the overarching tr he is getting atm is warranted.

On September 24 2016 14:31 Stutters695 wrote:

Emphasis mine. I'd lynch for this

On September 25 2016 08:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?

I'll give you a hint, go read SEQs filter (9 posts). The one I quoted shows a clear lack of reading, even incredibly early in the game.

I'm working another 2 hours, but if anyone has any questions fire away. No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own.

On September 27 2016 05:53 ptmc wrote:


how is tone the best thing you have for reading scott? Superbia maybe because he wasn't around, but scott has done several weird things to get such a free pass from you.

On September 25 2016 23:50 Jealous wrote:

TL;DR: I got frustrated by people asking me reasonable questions in response to my dodgy nature and unsupported read, so I did something anti-town and now I'm going to blame the community for it.

On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
I'll answer to earlier questions for me etc. later, but I had an idea while at work that I just had to start working on as soon as I could... So the following post is about that. It should make things a lot clearer at least for me

The idea being: two levels of scummy interactions, one for Lunatic <--> others and the other for the scummiest of the previous ones <--> each other to figure out 3-man scumteams that make sense. Let's see where this goes. (huge thanks to ptmc's post here by the way, it saved me a lot of time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii?page=35#695 )

1) Lunatic <--> others

DanelerH
Pushed Lunatic through most of D1 and possibly caused him to "shut down" in the thread. I highly doubt he would do that to his teammate. Lunatic appeared genuinely pressured as well, making odd (in hindsight) claims like the blue read on Stutters and going overly defensive.

Calix
Pretty much started the Stutters-read pressure on Lunatic and participated in forming his lynch wagon. Kind of similar to DanelerH, hard to see scum doing that to each other from the start of the game.

Stutters
A more controversial pick for green color, perhaps, but I agree with whoever said that it would be extremely rare for scum to immediately throw a strong townread on their teammate like Lunatic did. It would only link them together in everyone's minds (something scum would definitely not want) and make the other look bad/scum if the other flips. In addition, it wouldn't come naturally as a careless throwaway comment like how Lunatic said it. It just fits so much better as a casual, too strong townread on someone he would know to be town in advance. Also, I have an interesting theory related to Stutters, but that's best left for later.

Rels
Jumped on the Lunatic wagon pretty early and questioned his read on Stutters earlier on, but nothing truly conclusive. Town lean?

- - - - - - (the point after which I can see these people being scum with Lunatic to some meaningful extent)

SEQ/Tictock
Voted for Lunatic, but otherwise ???

Jealous
Hard to say. Had Lunatic as a lynch candidate / scum for most of D1, but nothing exactly conclusive to their relations happened.

scott
Can't say I agree with ptmc's assessment about how weirdly he interacted with Lunatic. His posts almost mirror my thoughts at the time of their writing (even regarding Stutters and DanelerH)... but it's true that he was pretty "on the fence" about lynching Lunatic or not during D1 so it's not too hard to see a Lunatic/scott team.

DYH
Passive towards Lunatic and the whole D1 lynch in general. His Lunatic vote was pretty "resigned" and late as well. Could well be scum with Lunatic.

Skynx
Soft-defended Lunatic, ignored him or counter-pushed away from him on several occasions during D1 (see ptmc's eventlist for easy details, just search for "Skynx" lines in red text, or read his filter). Never pressured Lunatic or contributed to his lynch either (no, the one-liner "Lunatic had the worst intro post I guess" didn't impact his own or anyone else's play during D1). A Lunatic/Skynx scumteam makes the most sense to me.

2) Sensible scumteams?

Now it's the time to check if any of the players who could be scum with Lunatic would fit as scum with each other.

Skynx/DYH?
Doesn't seem very likely. Skynx pushed DYH late during D1, and it would be pretty stupid to go through that trouble just to perhaps get a scum lynched instead of another scum. More sensible options would have been to bus Lunatic or to push a townie. I guess it could have been distancing, but that doesn't seem likely in that high-stakes situation.Verdict: NO

Skynx/scott?
Skynx soft-defends scott in a couple of his posts, otherwise nothing. scott barely mentions Skynx, but when he does, in a slightly positive light. This team could make sense. Verdict: YES

Skynx/Jealous?
Jealous doesn't really mention Skynx until very recently where he said that he "doesn't like Skynx but he's not necessarily scummy". Skynx doesn't really talk about Jealous at all. Verdict: YES

Skynx/SEQ/Tictock?
Not much, but Skynx congratulates SEQ for questioning Lunatic... And Tictock calls Skynx town for "pressuring Lunatic"??? In reality, it was the opposite situation, just read Skynx's filter or ptmc's summary. Not really sure if scum would so blatantly prop up another, but something is off. Verdict: YES

DYH/scott?
Not completely sure about this one, but I guess they do fit somehow. scott agrees that DYH is scummy, but not much beyond that.... They also have a weird interaction where they start to "chat" with each other, but nothing happens? Verdict: YES

DYH/Jealous?
Not likely. DYH has pressured/scumread Jealous on several occasions and similarly Jealous has been scumreading DYH. A double bus in this game state is a bit too unlikely... Verdict: NO

DYH/SEQ/Tictock?
DYH defended SEQ somewhat, but Tictock has been quite anti-DYH. Could be bussing, I guess, but hard to say. Verdict: ?

scott/Jealous?
scott scumread Jealous D1, but townread him after the Lunatic lynch since Jealous "never wavered on lynching Lunatic". Jealous put scott as a lynch candidate after Lunatic was lynched. Overall, uncertain for now. Verdict: ?

scott/SEQ/Tictock?
Kind of like with Jealous, scott first (slightly) scumreads SEQ and townreads him after Lunatic was lynched since he "never wavered on lynching Lunatic". SEQ never mentions scott. Tictock calls scott "prob town but kinda null". I guess this scumteam could work... Verdict: YES

Jealous/SEQ/Tictock?
SEQ townreads Jealous early on, later on unsure. Tictock calls Jealous null. Jealous doesn't really voice an opinion on SEQ/Tictock. Verdict: YES

If I missed something, please point it out. This has been a ton of work and there's probably a mistake somewhere at this point.

In any case, it's time for the conclusions based on earlier stuffs. Here are the sensible possible scumteams that are left now:

Skynx/scott
Skynx/Jealous
Skynx/Tictock
DYH/scott
scott/Tictock
Jealous/Tictock

Frankly, I'm not too confident that DYH is scum based on this. He would almost have to be scum with scott. Meanwhile Skynx could basically be scum with anyone besides DYH. scott isn't very limited either, but I like him better than either Skynx or DYH.

Well, I'd be glad to hear other opinions on these findings.

On September 25 2016 14:07 Stutters695 wrote:

Nah, I think we're cool now. Can't tell for sure until I get home and actually have a pc, but your last posts make me feel better.

On September 25 2016 16:24 Stutters695 wrote:
He didn't quote it, he said something like the post above this is good. What are your thoughts on SEQ?

On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
SEQ/Tictock
Voted for Lunatic, but otherwise ???

On September 29 2016 02:44 Tictock wrote:


I refuse to believe you have literally no read on me.

On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
Skynx
Soft-defended Lunatic, ignored him or counter-pushed away from him on several occasions during D1 (see ptmc's eventlist for easy details, just search for "Skynx" lines in red text, or read his filter). Never pressured Lunatic or contributed to his lynch either (no, the one-liner "Lunatic had the worst intro post I guess" didn't impact his own or anyone else's play during D1). A Lunatic/Skynx scumteam makes the most sense to me.