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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 19:49 GMT
#921
On September 29 2016 04:47 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 04:45 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:17 Xatalos wrote:
Skynx's static non-reaction to my biggest contribution so far ("still scum because OMGUS, nothing will ever change that!") makes me quite sure that he has to be scum.

If you're still not convinced, read this with some thought and then look at Skynx's filter:

On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
Skynx
Soft-defended Lunatic, ignored him or counter-pushed away from him on several occasions during D1 (see ptmc's eventlist for easy details, just search for "Skynx" lines in red text, or read his filter). Never pressured Lunatic or contributed to his lynch either (no, the one-liner "Lunatic had the worst intro post I guess" didn't impact his own or anyone else's play during D1). A Lunatic/Skynx scumteam makes the most sense to me.


I commented on your push and why it was crap and why it made you scum. Your comment on it pretty much ignored everything I put on the table and just said OMGUS. Therefore you painting me as "static non-reaction" is just hilarious.

Do you have Holyflare coach? + Show Spoiler +
<3


Holyflare?

I agree I presented your filter's ugly truths badly earlier, but it doesn't make me scum. The core of my suspicion on you came from reading ptmc's list of your actions on D1, which were about all scum-aligned. I should have just listed those, but for some reason I went looking for additional things that weren't very damning. Keep it simple, stupid

ptmc's list was good, but I already addressed those. They weren't OMGUS at all, you seem to be the only one thinking so anyway.


It is OMGUS if the only reason to push someone is that they pushed you.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
September 28 2016 19:51 GMT
#922
On September 29 2016 04:49 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 04:47 Skynx wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:45 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:17 Xatalos wrote:
Skynx's static non-reaction to my biggest contribution so far ("still scum because OMGUS, nothing will ever change that!") makes me quite sure that he has to be scum.

If you're still not convinced, read this with some thought and then look at Skynx's filter:

On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
Skynx
Soft-defended Lunatic, ignored him or counter-pushed away from him on several occasions during D1 (see ptmc's eventlist for easy details, just search for "Skynx" lines in red text, or read his filter). Never pressured Lunatic or contributed to his lynch either (no, the one-liner "Lunatic had the worst intro post I guess" didn't impact his own or anyone else's play during D1). A Lunatic/Skynx scumteam makes the most sense to me.


I commented on your push and why it was crap and why it made you scum. Your comment on it pretty much ignored everything I put on the table and just said OMGUS. Therefore you painting me as "static non-reaction" is just hilarious.

Do you have Holyflare coach? + Show Spoiler +
<3


Holyflare?

I agree I presented your filter's ugly truths badly earlier, but it doesn't make me scum. The core of my suspicion on you came from reading ptmc's list of your actions on D1, which were about all scum-aligned. I should have just listed those, but for some reason I went looking for additional things that weren't very damning. Keep it simple, stupid

ptmc's list was good, but I already addressed those. They weren't OMGUS at all, you seem to be the only one thinking so anyway.


It is OMGUS if the only reason to push someone is that they pushed you.

It's the reasons behind your push that I pushed you, which were nada other than me/Lunatic association as it has been mentioned a million times. I guess we just agree to disagree.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 19:54 GMT
#923
On September 29 2016 04:51 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 04:49 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:47 Skynx wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:45 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:17 Xatalos wrote:
Skynx's static non-reaction to my biggest contribution so far ("still scum because OMGUS, nothing will ever change that!") makes me quite sure that he has to be scum.

If you're still not convinced, read this with some thought and then look at Skynx's filter:

On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
Skynx
Soft-defended Lunatic, ignored him or counter-pushed away from him on several occasions during D1 (see ptmc's eventlist for easy details, just search for "Skynx" lines in red text, or read his filter). Never pressured Lunatic or contributed to his lynch either (no, the one-liner "Lunatic had the worst intro post I guess" didn't impact his own or anyone else's play during D1). A Lunatic/Skynx scumteam makes the most sense to me.


I commented on your push and why it was crap and why it made you scum. Your comment on it pretty much ignored everything I put on the table and just said OMGUS. Therefore you painting me as "static non-reaction" is just hilarious.

Do you have Holyflare coach? + Show Spoiler +
<3


Holyflare?

I agree I presented your filter's ugly truths badly earlier, but it doesn't make me scum. The core of my suspicion on you came from reading ptmc's list of your actions on D1, which were about all scum-aligned. I should have just listed those, but for some reason I went looking for additional things that weren't very damning. Keep it simple, stupid

ptmc's list was good, but I already addressed those. They weren't OMGUS at all, you seem to be the only one thinking so anyway.


It is OMGUS if the only reason to push someone is that they pushed you.

It's the reasons behind your push that I pushed you, which were nada other than me/Lunatic association as it has been mentioned a million times. I guess we just agree to disagree.


Well, it's pretty much the same as the case on DYH, plus a stronger association with Lunatic than DYH and minus your more active attitude compared to him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 19:55 GMT
#924
Active not being necessarily good, since it's been focused for Lunatic and against me, so pro-scum and anti-town...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
September 28 2016 20:01 GMT
#925
I'm gona stop spamming the game for this argument is going nowhere. These are the me/Lunatic associations he's talking about ppl.

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.


On September 24 2016 18:05 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.

I know you'd say this


On September 25 2016 04:37 Skynx wrote:
What makes you so soure Stutters pr Lunatic?


On September 26 2016 02:33 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 02:21 Xatalos wrote:
Well, actually there's also a third scenario, where he's town and simply messed up by making a blue read, including it in his read list for some reason (without specifically saying that he thought he was a blue) and then saying it out loud in the heat of the moment. I guess that's a bit more likely than the scenario #2 after all since he's a newbie... But scenario #1 seems the most credible one, I guess. Hm. Any opinions?

Man I somehow feel like Luna is just misinformed town trying to cover up mistake of being lazy and saying he's blue.



Fking lynch me first just to confirm Xata/DYH then lynch stutters if the game isn't over already. Oh wait thats just not necessary cuz you two are getting lynched anyway.


"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10314 Posts
September 28 2016 20:02 GMT
#926
I won't be around for EoD because I'm stuck in the lab. Here's what I'm thinking so far:

1. Xata: Although he put in effort and produced some content, as I was reading it I realized I wasn't agreeing with some key points in it, mostly his team associations and rationale. I was expecting to read through the post and glean something new from another perspective, but for the most part I feel that he just repeated the same reads he's had for a while in a different way with better formatting. His completely forgetting ptmc is curious as he referenced him within the same post, which isn't really saying anything AI but speaks of how thoroughly he has gone through the thread while making this list. He is still intent on Skynx, still doesn't want to give me much credit for pushing Luna, and failed to arrive at anything definitive. He has 2 scumreads but says they can't be on a team together?

2. Skynx: I'm actually really liking his list of reads right now. I wouldn't put Xata in the conf.scum category quite yet. I find Stutters and DYH to be much worse. What is more important for me is that he is showing what I find to be a more realistic view of the game so far, better than he did a few pages/days ago when I would look at some of his read s and go "huh?" I fear there might be a decent possibility that him vs. Xata is TvT but I'm not yet convinced. Either way, I wouldn't lynch Xata today. Skynx moves a little closer to a town lean for me.

3. I still dislike Stutters greatly. Maybe even more so than DYH, but that might be a chronological bias since I've seen more said about him recently and no words out of his mouth about it. The defense of Stutters seems to hinge on one post of Lunatic's, which I don't find to be a very good thing to put our money on. A person. Who could fuck up D1 so royally could fuck up more than once.

I am tempted to switch to Stutters, but I'll keep my money on DYH since I read into his filter more and thus won't be taking someone else's word for it.

Scummy af: DYH, Stutters
Nullish: Scott, Skynx, Xata
Town of varying degrees: everyone else

I have the paranoid suspicion that one of our trusted townies might be a bussing scum but I've learned to fight through that paranoia and focus on the tangible until my current scumlist is settled.

See y'all after work.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
September 28 2016 20:06 GMT
#927
Hey you know what, I'm just gona vote DYH cuz if i don't maybe Xata will accuse me of trying to save him by voting xata tomorrow lul
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10314 Posts
September 28 2016 20:07 GMT
#928
Making this post as a future reference for myself : null wars.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:08 GMT
#929
There's also the scumlean on DanelerH for his case on Lunatic. It's just a pool of circumstantial evidence.

Do you think DYH looks worse than you on association or do you think the other points against him (disinterest to scumhunt etc.) are just strong enough?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:12 GMT
#930
On September 29 2016 05:06 Skynx wrote:
Hey you know what, I'm just gona vote DYH cuz if i don't maybe Xata will accuse me of trying to save him by voting xata tomorrow lul


Add "vote for me or Xata" and I'm content.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:15 GMT
#931
Where did everyone go though?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 28 2016 20:16 GMT
#932
I'm here but my vote is not moving unless DYH magically becomes extremely townie
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:17 GMT
#933
On September 29 2016 05:02 Jealous wrote:
I won't be around for EoD because I'm stuck in the lab. Here's what I'm thinking so far:

1. Xata: Although he put in effort and produced some content, as I was reading it I realized I wasn't agreeing with some key points in it, mostly his team associations and rationale. I was expecting to read through the post and glean something new from another perspective, but for the most part I feel that he just repeated the same reads he's had for a while in a different way with better formatting. His completely forgetting ptmc is curious as he referenced him within the same post, which isn't really saying anything AI but speaks of how thoroughly he has gone through the thread while making this list. He is still intent on Skynx, still doesn't want to give me much credit for pushing Luna, and failed to arrive at anything definitive. He has 2 scumreads but says they can't be on a team together?

2. Skynx: I'm actually really liking his list of reads right now. I wouldn't put Xata in the conf.scum category quite yet. I find Stutters and DYH to be much worse. What is more important for me is that he is showing what I find to be a more realistic view of the game so far, better than he did a few pages/days ago when I would look at some of his read s and go "huh?" I fear there might be a decent possibility that him vs. Xata is TvT but I'm not yet convinced. Either way, I wouldn't lynch Xata today. Skynx moves a little closer to a town lean for me.

3. I still dislike Stutters greatly. Maybe even more so than DYH, but that might be a chronological bias since I've seen more said about him recently and no words out of his mouth about it. The defense of Stutters seems to hinge on one post of Lunatic's, which I don't find to be a very good thing to put our money on. A person. Who could fuck up D1 so royally could fuck up more than once.

I am tempted to switch to Stutters, but I'll keep my money on DYH since I read into his filter more and thus won't be taking someone else's word for it.

Scummy af: DYH, Stutters
Nullish: Scott, Skynx, Xata
Town of varying degrees: everyone else

I have the paranoid suspicion that one of our trusted townies might be a bussing scum but I've learned to fight through that paranoia and focus on the tangible until my current scumlist is settled.

See y'all after work.


At least you read it

Which team suggestions did you disagree with? If you have good points, I'll gladly keep them in mind.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 28 2016 20:18 GMT
#934
Humm, I kinda get a TvT vibe from this skynx v xata stuff. Not sure if I trust that just yet though.

I'm probably not going to invest a bunch of time into this atm. I think we are in a solid place.

Will check in after this next dungeon run in WoW, there might be something I need to look into.
I can take that responsibility.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:19 GMT
#935
On September 29 2016 05:16 Rels wrote:
I'm here but my vote is not moving unless DYH magically becomes extremely townie


Hm.

Shenanigans are always fun, don't you agree?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:20 GMT
#936
DYH does have an okay chance of flipping scum so it's not the worst result, I guess...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 28 2016 20:21 GMT
#937
Hell no we're not doing CFDs.

Also hi.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:22 GMT
#938
On September 29 2016 05:18 Tictock wrote:
Humm, I kinda get a TvT vibe from this skynx v xata stuff. Not sure if I trust that just yet though.

I'm probably not going to invest a bunch of time into this atm. I think we are in a solid place.

Will check in after this next dungeon run in WoW, there might be something I need to look into.


[image loading]

Only thing I could think of at first.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:23 GMT
#939
On September 29 2016 05:21 Calix wrote:
Hell no we're not doing CFDs.

Also hi.


Hi.

Did you read my post yet?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 28 2016 20:23 GMT
#940
How can he be the 'not worst result' when he's one of your scum-reads? O_o Like who gives a shit if you got two scum-reads strung up and neither of them are around to do anything, then that's an A* scenario right there.

I for one am psyched that people are wising up to scum!Stutters.
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