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On August 25 2016 13:08 DanelerH wrote: /in Would anyone happen to have any Day 1 advice? I'm rather new to the game and the games I've played have mostly consisted of newer players where the general consensus is to just skip Day 1. I disagree with this and want to learn more about what can be done. Day 1 is the most important day for each faction and player. For scum, you have the chance to get a free town lynch and NK; for town you have the free chance to kill your first scum. Really though, it's far more than that. Generally speaking whoever "wins" Day 1, imo, wins the game; this doesn't mean that if there's a town lynch, then scum wins (or vice versa). Rather, for town D1 is important: 1. to get a good lynch 2. to force scum to say stuff (which means they'll screw up somewhere) 3. to set the tone for the rest of the game Getting a good lynch is important; it very much sets who to look at for the rest of the game. That can mean defaulting to inactives (and often does). It means getting people to explain what they think and, more importantly, why they think it. It means people productively discuss the options and what the best lynch is. It's making the point to focus on quality of posting and not just quantity. It doesn't matter if there's a mislynch or not; having a productive lynch is far more useful for town through the course of the game than having a correct lynch. Second, by forcing quality posts you require scum to actively participate. If you pay attention, you'll see how differently scum are looking at players. It's super easy to write up a case on anyone (town or not) as scum; the problem is making it believable. Such that the case has resonance with town members and town thought process while also not giving away knowledge of players' alignment or role. So by getting (and forcing) a good, productive lynch, town gives itself the tools to absolutely blow the crap out of scum later in the game. Third, tone is key to good town play. It's far easier as scum to win solo while facing 3 lynches in a town that is hostile to itself than it is to win with a full team against an active, productive town with 1 mislynch to give. By getting a good productive lynch, you set the tone for town members, even ones with opposing points of view who think each other are scum, to realize what the situation actually is. You lay the groundwork to have people work together to solve a problem in a clear direction. Conversely, one bad lynch can wholly setup the next 2-3 lynches. Scum gets to paraphrase and hide among the lynch mob calling for town to kill itself on bad lynches. Scum really isn't forced to post original thoughts or in any way drive discussion. You're able to setup town to be so polarized that they can't actively work together to solve the problem and instead focus on minute irrelevant shit often WIFOMing themselves into an easy loss. The first lynch cycle is just exceptionally important for setting up the course of the game. That said, some setups require a Night 0; where the game starts with a night phase instead of a day phase. While it's ok to have games start with a night cycle instead of a day cycle, generally it's not great because of the 'feel bads' as more often than not good players die during the night and bad players die during the day. So good players will get shut out of really playing the game whatsoever. Additionally, the game can be really random; cop finds scum, scum kills blue, etc. You can get in scenarios in N0 games where the game spins to be heavily town or scum favored depended on roles. For me, that's very uninteresting. Mafia, to me, is a game of limited information where roles really shouldn't matter; Vanilla games are better IMO than ones with roles because they really emphasize the core focus of the game (observation, logic, analysis). | ||
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On August 27 2016 22:25 disformation wrote: I think that is more like supporting the addiction What's the difference? | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote: at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice. This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself. | ||
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I do, but I'm at work. You'll get them later tonight. | ||
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On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote: Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL. I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row  Trfel should know better than to open like this as town. On August 29 2016 06:18 Trfel wrote: Okay, joke was probably not the best word. Try "light-hearted comment" instead. 1. You posted at the start of the game that you were confirmed town. I am assuming here (correct me if I am wrong) that the reason that you are (supposedly) confirmed town is that you made the first post. I am also assuming (again, correct me if I am wrong) that everyone is aware that being confirmed town by virtue of having the first post in the game is a joke. 2. Vivax points out that you are not in fact confirmed town (and again, we're assuming that this is in fact a true statement). 3. You respond to Vivax here. I'm interested in why you responded in the post mentioned in (3) above. This expansion is pretty bad. Vivax had the only correct response to Trfel's "I am scum" post. This post and the expansion from it are bad. I associate that more with scum!trfel but he can be bad as town too. This post is kinda towny. I wish the "why not?" weren't a question. The confident "come at me bro" aspect of it I like, but the question mark throws a damper on that somewhat. On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote: gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it. vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. not a big fan of this post. "I'll tell you what I'm going to talk about. Say nothing meaninful about it. Give random townread." On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote: 1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia. Curious if plammar being plammar or if actual read. I'm sure he'll talk about in some put me to sleep way. On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote: Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious. This is surprisingly not an awful observation. On August 29 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote: ok is no one going to ask me how I came up with my theory? what is this? confirmed not reading On August 29 2016 06:32 disformation wrote: I don't believe you believe that crap this early in the game. You are def. trying to make an elephant out of nothing here. Classical scum. ##vote Trfel I really don't get this post. I feel like any decent player would've ignored this shit already regardless of alignment. On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote: Ah fantastic. No, it's absolutely not a meta thing. You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things. But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves. He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia. I am not impressed. Minus points here. I figured his "maybe plammar is mafia" post was just a verbal jab. This makes it seem like he was intending to do more with it but meh. On August 29 2016 06:41 disformation wrote: I think Palmar's explanation makes sense, but I have problems with my early D1 as either alignment (##selfmeta) and Rels hasn't been playing very well lately (no offense). So I kinda can Rels see with a weak opening as either alignment. That being said I think I'll throw him into my scum lean pool. useless passive rehash On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote: Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. I actually like this post. I don't agree with it, but there's thought behind it. On August 29 2016 06:49 Trfel wrote: Sorry Vivax, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm not quite getting what you're saying. You're saying that if Tumblewood was actually interested in my alignment, and actually wanted to talk about me, then he would have discussed your post about me instead of just talking about Palmar's read on Rels? Or am I wrong? I like Trfel picking up on this post. On August 29 2016 07:00 Trfel wrote: Okay, think I get what you're saying. Tumblewood, I'd appreciate an explanation  Disformation, last question for now, when you say "breaking meta", what are you referring to? And right back to useless questions... Don't hate this post. On August 29 2016 07:29 Palmar wrote: Although just thinking that makes him like super likely to be town. Which kinda sucks, because it's a super "cheap" townread, but there is almost no way Race Bannon makes that post as mafia. Probably true, but I want to lynch him just for bringing it up. On August 29 2016 07:52 Holyflare wrote: Flip flop where he claims Trfel wouldn't make that post as mafia but calls him mafia anyway. Flip flop defending Rels based on his own anecdotal evidence but calls him mafia anyway. More flip flops than a holiday in China. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2015/05/12/1227352/082383-50fba6b4-f86f-11e4-abad-a935b3e0d5c5.jpg) I really like this. I liked it when I first saw it and I like it again now. Sadly I don't think it says anything about HF. On August 29 2016 08:03 Holyflare wrote: i don't even get your tumble read, what are you smoking? On August 29 2016 08:04 Holyflare wrote: nvm i actually read what he posted now  carry on I like the followup though even if it is passive. On August 29 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote: This strikes me as the most interesting post thus far. Basically a long winded way of saying he has no idea what Trfel is doing. I agree with the first sentance but the rest is calling out Trfel for something, then saying he doesn't want to push Trfel for it. Mild scum lean for casting shade on Trfel but not wanting to look like a bad guy while doing it. I like picking up on the Vivax post and bringing it back up. On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote: Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels This is really left field and I don't understand where it's coming from. TT explain. | ||
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On August 29 2016 09:17 Tictock wrote: A couple of Vivax's posts don't mesh with how I'm seeing the game at all. Ehh I think I need context. Here he is basically saying that Tumble reacting to Palmar's thing with Rels is an "attention shift" like there is possible association between Rels and Tumble. While Vivax's own opinion of Rels is basically "Palmar is a cool guy, and makes a good point about Rels" I kinda see Vivax doing exactly what he is accusing Tumble of doing here, shifting some attention from people discussing Rels onto Tumble. I guess there's a logic to this, but it really doesn't add up. On August 29 2016 10:20 scott31337 wrote: Tell me more why those two posts cause for immediate suspicion. + Show Spoiler + I had a rough thought that the two could be mafia as well, so I wasn't so off on that second post from Koshi I really don't get why scott chooses this to take the banner up on. It's like random and crappy. Wait, WTF???? This: On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote: I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though. This is a reason to townread someone? That's a pretty fucking terrible reason to think anyone's town. That said: On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. This is really fucking weird pair to be scumreading. On August 29 2016 11:54 DanelerH wrote: I'm not seeing any direct inconistancies in Race Bannon's posts, but the below post is interesting in that it's the only one that actually says anything. + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. It's strange that he finds Tumblewood and Koshi the most suspicious, despite their only affiliation up to that point being the following: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote: Tumblewood/Rels prime suspects. Race Bannon could be someone to keep an eye on, but I'm still unfamiliar with everyone's playstyles. This dude is probably just not good at mafia. Overall: HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. | ||
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On August 30 2016 06:49 beentheredonethat wrote: Day 1: Vote Count #3 Votes:
Not voting (4) - Race Bannon, Rels, Trfel, disformation I'm sure there's at least 1 mafia in the 4 not voting and pretty sure there's exactly one in the not voting section. The other scum can be anywhere which is pretty worthless. Rels doesn't strike me in any particular way. I disliked on point he had on TW posting whatever coming to his mind = scum, but it's not damning in any way. He kinda touches on all the hot button topics but there's kinda nothing to love about anything he says. I kinda think he's town though for how he responds to HF re: disinformation. It's constructive without being argumentative. Trfel I've gotten the sense that he's on an island; he could be scum with I actives/newbies From what I recall he posts a bit less and more concentrated as scum; plus, he makes at least 1 god awful post that gets him attention. That's not here, but I'm really bugged by the fact that almost every post is asking someone else what their opinion is. I feel ok thinking he's just floundering and not scum but not more. Race has basically done nothing (ignoring the pm shit). On August 29 2016 20:01 Race Bannon wrote: Anyway, @Koshi does it n any way influence your read of Tumblewood that he told DanelerH not to put too much weight on contribution .. when you yourself made an aegument that geript's posts were more likely to come from town because of their volume? I really hate this quote because it's a question that can't go anywhere. His posts look far more like someone trying to play a game within a game which, excluding Slam, isn't towns especially since he really has no actual thought in the game. If this were Slam's filter, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat because Slam has nuggets of ideas sprinkled in his overblown filter. Plus there's the TW, Koshi scum team. In filter context, maybe he was joking, but it's an exceptionally weird association to have at that point in the game. It just feels like he doesn't care to think about the game at all; I just can't see how he could be town. Disinformation... The funny thing about him is that I really like this post On August 29 2016 20:57 disformation wrote: The more I look at geripts post the more inorganic and constructed I think it is. Might also be written in this hard to follow/read way to look like work has been done and making ppl less likely to want to read it. like there comes a point when you keep staring at and thinking about something so much that everything just gets twisted and biased. He just entirely feels like whatever he's currently looking at gets him confirmation biased about. I felt pretty confident about Vivax, Koshi and HF; HF I think could convince me to vote for myself this game and I would. I'll look at the rest in a bit. | ||
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On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote: Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels So Vivax is posting better than he did as scum, but is maybe scum due to forced posting and possibly agenda. So I'll follow this move I thought was solid and join with town read Palmar to vote for Rels, give my third and fourth town reads for no reason and that is all. The whole thing was really weird on top of the "who's scum for drawing attention whom while someone else is fotm." But I like his reads pics/posts thing. It feels like he's having fun. I keep wanting to tell myself I'm bad for thinking he's town. But I like most of the posts he jumps off from, I just don't like where he goes with it. Then I look back at the early stuff and call myself bad again. | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:20 Holyflare wrote: Hey yeh so the bad thing that is almost definitely ego thing is that palmar sheeps koshi's tw case and then ignores that I've posted one and hasn't town read me. That's pretty scummy. I've been thinking about Palmar a lot while doing other things. I'm really tempted to case him but then when I organize my thoughts it comes down to little stuff that I don't like. I just don't feel in any way confident about reading him. Like the best reasons to call him scum is basically how differently he reads me in comparison to you and Koshi and his not wanting to lynch Trfel to potentially confirm himself as town. The first is ok, the second is like a Palmar wifom game. TBH, I'm most interested in lynching Dane right now. I don't hate the TW stuff, but it doesn't make me very hard. | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:25 Holyflare wrote: Liking the dane thing a lot. Mt posts were excellent. Mt posts? | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:34 Koshi wrote: Reread TW his last 2 pages and he is giving us nothing... He just plays on emotions. Trying to survive. I'm giving meds in between reading, can you give me like a point by point on why you think he's scum. so I can think about it while I filter him. | ||
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