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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
August 30 2016 20:57 GMT
#884
Arg I actually still don't like the shennanie...
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
August 30 2016 20:59 GMT
#892
Fuck it

##Unvote
##Vote: Rels
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
August 30 2016 21:41 GMT
#937
I hate myself for caving to pressure.

Sorry Rels.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
August 30 2016 21:48 GMT
#939
On August 31 2016 06:29 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote:
Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.

I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble.

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:54 Tictock wrote:
On August 31 2016 05:51 Rels wrote:
I've read Scott geript and tw filter and I want a geript lynch
Tumble had some townie reactions not long ago
Scott last read list is like exactly mine with my name instead of his name. He could be town for that
Geript has done nothing after his two tryhard posts that had inconsistency in it. I think he is the more likely to flip scum
FTR I also really dislike the way tt is pushing tumble lynch, he is missing some kind of doubts townie usually have


Good, now I feel like my vote on you at the start of the game was justified.

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:57 Tictock wrote:
Arg I actually still don't like the shennanie...



Show nested quote +
##Unvote
##Vote: Rels


like this shit was bad, if tumble is town then this guy effectively was happy to want to go afk and also shit all over shenanigans to rels and then switch only when he claimed blue[/QUOTE]

Wow you turned out this story real quick.


Specially when this was your reaction.
On August 31 2016 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:58 Rels wrote:
I'm a role


no

nop

nop

noppppp

you would have claimed it in your last post before instead of 1 minute before, fuck you


Why are you instantly putting blame on people for that lynch? Such mafia tactic.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 12:54 GMT
#1330
So I've done this game a disservice by spending all my time fighting Demons instead.

I'm gunna devote some time to catching up and responding to stuff, then I'll be back closer to deadline.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 13:04 GMT
#1331
Responding to HF's posts regarding me up until about pg 50.

On August 31 2016 06:55 Holyflare wrote:
I'd like you to explain yourself TT because your vote looks like the worst in combination with what you've said.


Ehh if you assume I was somehow omni-present it looks like I swapped right after Rels claimed.

What actually happened was I saw everyone switching and went to check vote-thread to see where votes where at. Saw enough had switched that Tumble was never getting lynched figuered wth and jumped on Rels.

I don't get why making that switch actually makes me mafia when I could have sat back and yelled at all the town people for lynching Rels.




On August 31 2016 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
I'll have a reread of his filter again, I know for sure he said things that bugged me and were off from my thinking which is automatically off putting but the vca is by no means conclusive since we barely know anything

don't like that he's attacking me directly for being the only one putting any remote effort into this game instead of just talking away a simple point though?


I'm reacting to the fact that following a D1 blue lynch you went right into accusation mode. You were the most vocal person to get people to switch to Rels, and then are the first to accuse the people who lynched Rels...

I'd be more impressed if you were actually doing something with the VCA you never actually did. Really all that's happened by the time you've posted this is; pointed out I jumped onto the Shennanie despite saying I really didn't want to; have given an updated reads with vote post + Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2016 07:09 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
Day 1: Final Vote Count



Votes:
  • Rels (6) - Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
  • Tumblewood (1) - scott31337
  • geript (0) - Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
  • scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels, Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
  • Vivax (1) - Race Bannon
  • DanelerH (1) - geript

Not voting: -



This is my more realistic read thing and yes two players form a hydra mafia.

(which if you noticed has Scott as Scum, despite this being HF's last post about Scott+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2016 06:56 Holyflare wrote:
I just don't agree about scott lol, dunno what else to tell you? He seems carefree and yes little content but that doesn't necessitate someone is mafia all the time.

I also skipped 3/4 of your case, can you tl;dr it?

); complained that nobody was around; and when you go back to read my filter have nothing but "things that bug you" to note.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 13:04 GMT
#1332
For reference, someone who actually put more than a few minuets looking at something.

On August 31 2016 17:00 Trfel wrote:
Tictock

Tictock's end of day looks really bad. He makes a lot of posts talking about how much he wants to lynch Tumblewood and how scummy he thinks Tumblewood is:
+ Show Spoiler [Examples] +
On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote:
fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript.


What about his responses make you think he's town?

Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him.
On August 31 2016 05:36 Tictock wrote:
I'm pretty happy to be lynching Tumble honestly.

Nothing he's posted in the past few hours says anything, and he's mostly just whining about how he's not really playing his scum meta.

I get the scumreads on Dane but I feel like he's much more a roll of the die than Tumble who is like 95% likely to flip mafia here imo. Like I get why some of his posts are triggering alarms but I feel like he is putting in effort.

Scott is still a tough one for me this game. Palmar flip-flopping from geript to Tumble and then back to Geript is worth raising an eyebrow or two at, but is not something I care to dig into right now.
On August 31 2016 05:41 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:40 Tumblewood wrote:
honestly I really want to lynch Koshi right now
or maybe hf
circa 20 minutes from now it should strike everyone as really weird that my wagon formed so easily and didn't budge even when things changed


Nothing has changed, expect more and more people realizing you rolled mafia this game.
On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote:
Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.

I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble.

But he switches to Rels anyway.
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 06:41 Tictock wrote:
I hate myself for caving to pressure.

Sorry Rels.
And he blames it on caving into pressure. Given how much he talked about wanting to lynch Tumblewood and not shenanigan, even after Rels posted all of his most scummy stuff at EoD, this is the most plausible explanation if Tictock is indeed town. But it still doesn't seem very solid at all.

Other than this End of Day stuff I kind of like Tictock's play? So I'm not sure what to make of this yet.



I know that unflipped associations are really stupid, but if scott31337 is mafia, Tictock's play looks far more suspicious. Here's the vote count before Tictock's vote switch:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Day 1: Vote Count #7



Votes:
  • Rels (4) - Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood
  • Trfel (0) - disformation
  • disformation (0) - Holyflare, Koshi, geript
  • Tumblewood (2) - Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
  • Koshi (0) - DanelerH
  • geript (1) - Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
  • scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels, Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
  • TicTock (0) - Tumblewood
  • Vivax (1) - disformation, Race Bannon
  • DanelerH (1) - geript

Not voting: -
Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched.
Tictock's vote was really important in sealing the lynch as Rels, instead of scott31337. He could maybe have predicted Palmar switching votes to Rels, but relying on other people to switch would be a huge risk. So if scott31337 flips mafia, Tictock looks a lot worse. Even if scott31337 flips town, his End of Day makes me a bit suspicious about him.

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 14:56 GMT
#1351
Going to try something different.

Prepare for a few somewhat rambly WoT's.

Scott:
Started because of this post,
On September 01 2016 00:20 scott31337 wrote:
It just seems like every one bailed off of TW so easily, it just makes me wonder.

So answer your question HF - I was working on a ticket at work and was trying to count votes in the thread - by the time I did, it was 5-4 Rels? I think, Rels was ahead. So I never did change my vote - I wasn't 100% sure if I wanted to, I was like "Welp, If I don't die, there just going to try to mislynch me tomorrow instead, and I'm going to be gone a lot of the game day."

I'll be spending some good time in the thread this afternoon - I have an american football game to go to Thursday night, and driving out of town for work on Friday morning for network installs, so I won't be around much after today.

I'll be back in a while.


Noted kus kinda a large blurb of "Later", also checked his last 3-4 posts prior are all the same with less words.

Followup?

On September 01 2016 04:00 scott31337 wrote:
LOL Nice one Race.

Getting swamped with a site crapping out - but I'm sort of around.


Terrible, "I'm paying attn but not doing anything"




Despite a burst of activity which is just one liners, this sums up scott's posts up to pg 60.

On September 01 2016 14:36 scott31337 wrote:
I really have lost all morale all game. I'm going back to voting Vivax, and if you all want to mislynch me, fuck it. I'll be gone the next two days more or less - but I'll be checking in.


All in all pretty disappointing from Scott, this is a game losing behavior if scott is town and honestly he should know that.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 14:56 GMT
#1352
Tumblewood:

On September 01 2016 00:31 Tumblewood wrote:
Palmar is acting unusually for him, but that's not necessarily mafia. not quite sure how to feel about it; I'm used to wagon of justice Palmar and all I get this game is normal player Palmar. and the no brakes train to loseville sounds like it fits pretty well with my playstyle.


Sorta agree, especially that it doesn't make Palmar mafia.

not much going on...

On September 01 2016 23:49 Tumblewood wrote:
welp I've been blindsided by extreme busyness
thankfully the new posts are slim, but I probably won't be able to catch up till the second half of D2
was the Hf CC on disfo real or just a figment of my imagination?


First person I saw to pickup on this. Not sure what to make of that.

Nothing else noteworthy while catching up, will need to filter again though.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 14:56 GMT
#1353
Koshi:

Noting this from Koshi... kus WTF it came from Koshi?

On September 01 2016 05:01 Koshi wrote:
Vivax/Palmar are both mafia. 3rd guy is a low content player that isn't scott or TW. So we are looking at RB/DanelerH/Geript. If it isn't RB I am going to guess geript.


Scott I am 100% town on. If I die and you lynch him I am going to be very very sad. 100% town. Please believe me. Please. @Scott. When I die please feel free to solely keep quoting this message till the baddies remove their votes.

Disformation obvious town. During the day he felt indecisive but with the activity during the night he became 100% town.

HF obvious town. I don't think this high content activity is within his mafia reach. The doc should pick him or disformation tbh. Just flip a coin.

Tfrel I wouldn't lynch but tbh I haven't read his filter yet.

TW is probably going to be town. The posts he made before the lynch and after the lynch are more likely coming from an honest townie than an Oscar worthy mafia.

TT I also think is town. Somewhere right before I made the TW case, (or right after?), we were thinking exactly the same on where to solve the game and where to look. He is also one of the few to be scumreading/pressuring geript/Vivax through the game. Just solid scumhunting on his own and trying to solve the game. I think that is the best way to townread TT btw.

Palmar 100% mafia. Kill with fire. If you don't understand Palmar is mafia there is no hope for you. Has been sitting on random wagons taking 0 credit for his reads. Town!Palmar his favorite thing is to taunt town that he is right when he is sitting on a different wagon. Or play better and actually lead town. Nothing of that here, his like between the two. I'll let HF explain it better if I die.

Vivax
Vivax is pushing mafia agenda 24/7. It is obvious if you look at the small things:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote:
Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning.

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:55 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:49 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote:
Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning.
Sorry Vivax, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm not quite getting what you're saying.

You're saying that if Tumblewood was actually interested in my alignment, and actually wanted to talk about me, then he would have discussed your post about me instead of just talking about Palmar's read on Rels? Or am I wrong?


More or less. I think he was way more drawn to the Rels issue than to yours which he initially mentioned. But why would he? Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar? Is he more protective of Rels for other reasons?

These 2 posts are very shady attempts to put pressure on TW without being in the spotlights. You read these posts and just ignore them and just put in your head "Vivax has something on TW" and take that with you without understanding what he means.
Look at the bolded, it is putting very light suspicion on TW with unflipped association to Rels. Also the sentence right before that is just a very shady attempt to discredit TW from the start "Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar?". Both sentences were ambitious tries from Vivax to put the thread against TW. and it worked.


Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment.

Spoilered road to enlightenment.
+ Show Spoiler +

I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?".
The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games.
So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.

Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics.
Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game.
Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.

So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott.

When I read that I actually wanted to skip over the entire case just because how bad the intro was. This is the most forced way to start a case. And it just smells of TMI "youare all on the wrong track but here is a bullshit case on scott that I want you all to gobble up" And we did...

Speeding this thing up due to having other things to do:

Everything else Vivax did that day was push his scott ml while cheering on the TW ml.

Also look at this:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 02:15 Vivax wrote:
On September 01 2016 02:13 Koshi wrote:
I have been here the entire day.


Your take on solving the game? I'm genuinely interested.
Or are you saving it for post-night

Pretending to be interested so they can decide if they should nk me. Pushing ùafoa agenda all night long.



Why is geript more likely mafia over Danel? Because geript fits the team better.
Show nested quote +
HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual.

I liked it the first time I read it. But now that I reread it I can see him be mafia with Palmar/Vivax.

It's also the small things like Palmar vs geript never being a real thing, the push from Palmar on geript was superweak. Palmar telling me geript his summarize wasn't good while it was pretty good on first sight, it just felt wrong because he didn't try to convince me.

Not sure what Vivax even thinks about geript. He talked to Palmar about geript but never took a stance about it himself. All super weak stuff.

It would be unlikely mafia shows face this hard so Danel is still an option. or RB #prayforred



going to post this because if I don't and die I will never forgive myself. come at me mafia.





Having a hard time with Koshi's posts I'm gunna have to refilter him later.

@Koshi:
On September 02 2016 17:46 Koshi wrote:
Tfrel looking worse and worse each post he makes. Still can't believe he didn't bother figuring out my post more. And if he thought that was my scumlist why he didn't go apeshit over the fact scott was in it.

So bad.

But wagon of justice is Palmar.

Can you explain what is looking worse in Trfel's posts?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 14:57 GMT
#1354
On September 01 2016 06:41 DanelerH wrote:
I didn't realize we were allowed to speak during the Night phase (we weren't allowed to in the other games I played). I'm going to need a bit of time to catch up.


On September 01 2016 07:48 DanelerH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 05:01 Koshi wrote:
Palmar 100% mafia. Kill with fire. If you don't understand Palmar is mafia there is no hope for you. Has been sitting on random wagons taking 0 credit for his reads. Town!Palmar his favorite thing is to taunt town that he is right when he is sitting on a different wagon. Or play better and actually lead town. Nothing of that here, his like between the two. I'll let HF explain it better if I die.



If anyone can back up the bold portion, please do so. I don't know how accurate this is. Regardless, the italicized portion made me check Palmar's filter again and I found out that Koshi is correct about this. Palmar went from:

Rels: + Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote:
This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia.

please enlighten me.
for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him?

Ah fantastic.

No, it's absolutely not a meta thing.

You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things.

But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves.

He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia.

- Something of note: + Show Spoiler +

Palmar didn't give xyr theory on Rels until asked for it. Prior to this, xe only said "Rels is Mafia."
On August 29 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote:
ok is no one going to ask me how I came up with my theory? what is this?



Geript: + Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2016 19:00 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 18:45 Palmar wrote:
geript's two long posts are awful. He quotes a bunch of my posts and gives random commentary, then proceeds to make his conclusion some joke about marv.

Also, Rels still afk? wow such caught.


Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch.

Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things".

Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this:

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:

Town
HF
Koshi
Vivax

Leaning Town
Trfel

Null
Palmar
Scott
Rels

Scum
Tumble
RB
disfo



Not that lists aren't fine, they're often a good way to gauge where someone stands on a game, but meeeehhh~~~

Also, he completely disregarded my point on RB which I still think is an excellent point.

So yeah. geript's entrance is shit.



Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler +

On August 30 2016 19:54 Palmar wrote:
Voting Tumblewood

Partly because I admire the fact Koshi wrote a case that looks good and I want to support a good effort.
Mostly though because he put me in "null/I don't care" category.

- Something of note: + Show Spoiler +

Palmar wasn't the only one suspicious of Tumblewood. Holyflare was suspicous of Tumblewood a long time before this. Despite each of them making a case on the same person, Palmar made the following post:
On August 31 2016 01:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 23:10 Vivax wrote:
HF is very sheepable this game. Moreso than Palmar, even though he will hate me for saying this.

I never get who the hell Dan talks about when he says xym/xe, there is no player going by that name can you for the love of god use the actual names or do you have a chinese autocorrect turned on?

HF has done literally nothing worth noticing.



Geript (again): + Show Spoiler +

On August 31 2016 05:44 Palmar wrote:
I am only going to be on phone tonight but for what it's worth I didn't think tw sounded like mafia when we talked today. It's not a strong read nor am I going to hard defend him (don't wanna look like an idiot if he flips mafia) but yeah

I think geript is a better lunch. There is a vey concise and simple point against him



Rels (again): + Show Spoiler +

On August 31 2016 05:59 Palmar wrote:
I awitched rather kill Rels than scott

- Something of note: + Show Spoiler +

This was only 15 minutes later and allegedly wasn't because Blue claim from Rels.
On August 31 2016 07:19 Palmar wrote:
yeah I don't have to argue this right now so I'm not going to.

I did not switch after he claimed blue, or if I did it was only because phone posting is slower. I switched, as stated, because of the two options left on the table I wanted to kill Rels over scott.



If Palmar is Mafia, I think it's safe to say that Geript and Tumblewood probably aren't.


I might be forever townreading this guy.

Also...
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 02 2016 00:39 DanelerH wrote:
I have no qualms with lynching Palmar, however I thought I would look into some other people that are currently under suspicion. One of these people is Tictock. In xyr filter, I found something very interesting: + Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2016 23:58 Tictock wrote:
That was kinda fun, and I feel like it might be time for one of these.

Town:
Palmar - + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Trfel - + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

disformation - + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Possibly Town:
Tumblewood - + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

DanelerH - + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

scott31337 - + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
No offense Scott...



Race Bannon:
Race Bannon - + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Null:
Koshi - + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Holyflare - + Show Spoiler +


I had a hard time with this one, take it with a fair bit of salt.

Geript - + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Rels - + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



Scum lean:
Vivax - + Show Spoiler +





Seems Trfel is right, I am being too nice and trusting this game.



Notice how Rels is listed under "Null," but Vivax is listed under "Scum lean." The reason why this is odd is because it doesn't match with Tictock's vote: + Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote:
Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof.


Hey, that was my plan!

Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy.

For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them.

Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town.

That is all.

## Vote: Rels



If you look at the timestamps in each of these, you'll see that the Rels vote was on before being suspicious of Vivax. Yes, Tictock was an early supporter of the Rels lynch, but it's strange that xe never changed the vote to Vivax.


My vote on Rels is was exactly what I said in w/e post I made the vote in. It was for pressure to get Rels to do stuff. He hadn't done anything at that point in the game, how could I have a read on him?

Again though, this is a good post.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 14:57 GMT
#1355
Holyflare:

On September 01 2016 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
I will lynch any of palmar/ticktock today. I don't think much has changed for me to be honest, dane looking a but townier with the last post, scott falling off the face of the earth makes me contemplate joining the wagon of purity. I mean one of his posts was just a list post that wasn't even a list, more vote count colouring. Will read into him more.

Uhhh, still anti anything palmar says obviously :D

Like, there's a roughly 0% chance palmar joins a tw wagon and likes koshi's case but doesn't realise i made it first and he's sheeping me but ignores that and says I've done nothing :D


I really hate this post, especially given HF's read on Scott is ever-changing and never backed up.

Combined with how he played EoD into night I think there is a solid chance HF is mafia. Kinda slowplayed D1, got really right at EoD to push Rels, into some quick accusations and a lot of activity at night but not much thought or analysis being done. I stand by my original VoD selection + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mg48dW5TB0
, HF is a whole lotta words without much substance this game.




On September 01 2016 09:57 Holyflare wrote:
Lol why do you think i force people to call me town? It's so I can concentrate and not get distracted. Hence mafia palmar trying to tilt me into an argument to fit his "meta" crap post he posted earlier about me.

Basically the people that are mafia this game are the ones that are just calling me mafia-ish with no real conviction and leaving the door open for later (ticktock) and the guy with no real conviction to lynch anyone and calls me mafia for what reason exactly? which is not normal (palmar)

+probably scott but maybe not but probably


This is a vast misrepresentation of my play. I called HF null into town-reading him.




On September 02 2016 21:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 18:19 Holyflare wrote:
Also beginning to hate tw because omgus even though it's not even a scum read on me??


Ahhh this bugs me so much????? Not only was I the ONLY one to try and save him at deadline day 1 AFTER making a case on him which ordinarily I'd just make everyone follow but I've given him like 1 1/2 cycles to play and give him leeway but I'm a random side mafia lean with a whole post dedicated to trashing a GOOD read on his scum read.

Mafia really are only dropping weak as shit mafia reads on me. He's next lynch if I die plz.


Actually, why would he do this as mafia? What on earth does he gain from it given his position this game?



On September 02 2016 22:20 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 22:04 Tictock wrote:
For reference, someone who actually put more than a few minuets looking at something.

On August 31 2016 17:00 Trfel wrote:
Tictock

Tictock's end of day looks really bad. He makes a lot of posts talking about how much he wants to lynch Tumblewood and how scummy he thinks Tumblewood is:
+ Show Spoiler [Examples] +
On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote:
fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript.


What about his responses make you think he's town?

Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him.
On August 31 2016 05:36 Tictock wrote:
I'm pretty happy to be lynching Tumble honestly.

Nothing he's posted in the past few hours says anything, and he's mostly just whining about how he's not really playing his scum meta.

I get the scumreads on Dane but I feel like he's much more a roll of the die than Tumble who is like 95% likely to flip mafia here imo. Like I get why some of his posts are triggering alarms but I feel like he is putting in effort.

Scott is still a tough one for me this game. Palmar flip-flopping from geript to Tumble and then back to Geript is worth raising an eyebrow or two at, but is not something I care to dig into right now.
On August 31 2016 05:41 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:40 Tumblewood wrote:
honestly I really want to lynch Koshi right now
or maybe hf
circa 20 minutes from now it should strike everyone as really weird that my wagon formed so easily and didn't budge even when things changed


Nothing has changed, expect more and more people realizing you rolled mafia this game.
On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote:
Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.

I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble.

But he switches to Rels anyway.
On August 31 2016 06:41 Tictock wrote:
I hate myself for caving to pressure.

Sorry Rels.
And he blames it on caving into pressure. Given how much he talked about wanting to lynch Tumblewood and not shenanigan, even after Rels posted all of his most scummy stuff at EoD, this is the most plausible explanation if Tictock is indeed town. But it still doesn't seem very solid at all.

Other than this End of Day stuff I kind of like Tictock's play? So I'm not sure what to make of this yet.



I know that unflipped associations are really stupid, but if scott31337 is mafia, Tictock's play looks far more suspicious. Here's the vote count before Tictock's vote switch:
On August 31 2016 05:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Day 1: Vote Count #7



Votes:
  • Rels (4) - Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood
  • Trfel (0) - disformation
  • disformation (0) - Holyflare, Koshi, geript
  • Tumblewood (2) - Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
  • Koshi (0) - DanelerH
  • geript (1) - Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
  • scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels, Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
  • TicTock (0) - Tumblewood
  • Vivax (1) - disformation, Race Bannon
  • DanelerH (1) - geript

Not voting: -
Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched.
Tictock's vote was really important in sealing the lynch as Rels, instead of scott31337. He could maybe have predicted Palmar switching votes to Rels, but relying on other people to switch would be a huge risk. So if scott31337 flips mafia, Tictock looks a lot worse. Even if scott31337 flips town, his End of Day makes me a bit suspicious about him.



1:You realise what you've quoted here is trfel putting in unnecessary words to what I already said? You said you didn't want to switch, you looked like you didn't want to switch and then you switched.

Trfel explains what I did in 3 quotes but with 4 long paragraphs instead. You then go on to further say that me not doing anything with the vca is bad but also say that me accusing you because of the vca is bad. Congratulations.

Are you going to cherry pick more of my posts or actually admit that I'm town now? I'm only on a phone at work for 90% of my game playing time so quoting a lot is already an unnecessary hassle but you're welcome to ask me questions instead of shit flinging and I will personally take my time elaborating everything that I thought at the time of each post/moment in the game.

2: If you're unclear about scott it's because he looked happy day 1 but then when I returned to the thread that's all I had in my mind, vivax's case wasn't so convincing over my happiness read. End of day 1 I only had an hour or less to read over and convince myself about tumble being really mafia or if I wanted to switch. Rels allowed me to and I love a good shenanigan for information and tumble was yelling and looked vaguely townie whereas rels just posted responses and no original thought really. Scott did absolutely nothing and yet actually WAS around at the deadline and then vanished which always emotionally makes me think that person is mafia. From a purely vca standpoint he looked mafka and trfel's case i read that and somewhat agreed with it at some point around then iirc.

His play so far probably makes him mafia and there's no spreadsheet still so almost definitely. Unless you're trying to dispute this point in which case I will yell at you for tmi and kill you today.

Any more inconsistencies you want explained good sir? I like nipping things in the bud so you can't perpetually fling shit at me later.



1: No, you threw around a couple of throwaway opinions like "he said things that bugged me" while Trfel showed some evidence and tried to put thought into mindset and comes to the obv conclusion that my vote switch only makes sense if I'm mafia with scott.

2: So why haven't you pushed Scott at all today?

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 14:57 GMT
#1356
Ok I got lazy and didn't make giant posts for everybody, just the stuff I felt like noting.

I think this is where I am at.

Town:
Trfel - + Show Spoiler +
Pretty obv town imo.

DanelerH - + Show Spoiler +
Really feels like newbie town

Vivax - + Show Spoiler +
total 180 from what I've seen as scum, hasn't dropped a beat even with game looking glim


Probably Town:
Palmar - + Show Spoiler +
Honestly just feels, nothing besides some erratic voting has raised an eyebrow.

Probably should be a priority filter to review


Null:

Geript - + Show Spoiler +
Dunno could go either way, need to relook at stuff.

Koshi - + Show Spoiler +
Doesn't feel like Koshi today. Too complacent I think.



Scum:
Tumblewood - + Show Spoiler +
I've actually moved Tumble between Scum and Null a couple times now. On the one hand I see a few thoughts I like, but I have problems with Tumble's conclusions.

Especially it bugs me again with Tumble's scott read, even in his last list post he's contradicting himself about Scott. + Show Spoiler +

not that bad lynches
scott (probably the worst of these 4)
geript
tt
palmar

I think 2 or 3 scum are in that second pool. scott and dane can sorta be their own category in the middle if I felt like it, and maybe hf can join them


Calls scott the worst of the "not bad lynches" then puts him kinda null with dane. I feel like Scott is one of his least talked about reads still as well.

Holyflare - + Show Spoiler +
Whole approach to the game since EoD scream scum to me. Riding a high from getting a blue lynched D1 (I know the feeling, my first mafia game) going right into N1 accusing the town who helped lynch him.

Nothing in his posts since then show real thought or analysis, he's just picked an argument and ran with the easiest path. There was no follow through in analysis or checking other theories.

Not a fan of his uber-defensive post responding to my stuff earlier either.

scott31337 - + Show Spoiler +
Never really put much into the game, and seems to have just given up.

We never got much follow-through from Scott's spreadsheet stuff earlier, and giving up in this position is totally the opposite of the attitude Scott had D1 + Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 12:00 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 11:42 Tictock wrote:
Scott, whats got you so active this game?

I mean I like it, it's just not what I'm used to.


I read the posts I and others made about D1 earlier in the thread. - I never liked d1, but geript's and the one I linked made a lot of sense. You should read them if you have not already

TLDR of them - get everyone to not be a null

. However it does fit a scum!scott agenda to lay low in a good position and try to bring down town's mood.


Can someone give me a brief rundown of exactly why Palmar is mafia and the current wagon? I never really got exactly why people are voting him.

Personally I'd really like to lynch HF because I know by posting this I am in for a storm.

Scott is probably the safer bet though.

##Vote: Holyflare
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 14:58 GMT
#1357
And now I'm gunna afk/go back to Legion for a few hours kus dam that took a bit longer than I hoped.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 17:21 GMT
#1400
On September 03 2016 00:25 Holyflare wrote:
I called out Scott's bs spreadsheet, yet he hasn't posted it. I'd know there's no spreadsheet if we're mafia together, he'd post a spreadsheet as town because why would he be lying so really I've actually proven scott is mafia unnecessarily if we're team mates. Did you forget this point when you were trying to slander mt scott pushing?


Scott was very nearly lynched D1 and is basically not playing. Assuming he is indeed scum, I fully expect his teammates to be keeping him in their scumreads while pushing other people. Which is exactly what you've been doing imo.

Quite simply I'm pushing palmar because I've written a lot about him and it's alll feels mixed with bs play. I'm very likely to die tonight since I have actually posted analysis and i don't trust people to not kill him, he'll just start playing after I'm dead conveniently and win.


This is as flimsy as what I've seen you post about me, and half of it is just ego. But I'll double check your filter to see what you posted on Palmar.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2016 07:28 Holyflare wrote:
ego aside (actually no, it's almost entirely ego driven) he's done some weird shit where he basically ignores what I say even though I made a case on the person he voted(????????) TW but sheeped Koshi's one and then said I've done basically nothing while in fact he should have been sharing my reads etc etc

then there's his vote on geript that he's stuck to the entire day and won't change it even though it's quite literally terrible and then he called me mafia at one point and fucked off and never followed it up when the last game where I was actually mafia and he was town he decided to push me and I got lynched

he's basically a flaccid penis palmar instead of a raging hard on of justice

Decent point.

On August 31 2016 20:23 Holyflare wrote:
Have you even read this game or are you just applying random statements to what you think happened?

Your vote on geript was bad and made me hesitate.

The real question at hand is why on God's earth did you vote rels when he was voting for the lynch YOU wanted??
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:52 Rels wrote:
##Vote geript


AND you claim you didn't see him write he was blue??

The point about Rels voting Geript is pretty good actually.

That is basically it though, the rest is just kinda talking about lynching Palmar and how he is mafia and stuff.



Also mafia needs mislynches, townies are happy to have town reads, mafia keeps options open and throws shit around, town is decisive. Tumblewood is keeping all options open in this case. Mafia like pushing my filters because my filters are always low content spam posts that enable people to delve deeper, that's my style. I flesh it out with cases eventually which I have been doing. There's nothing to hide.

Koshi's quotes also make me want to vote tumble.


Eh, while agree TW is leaving tons of loose end and is very suspect, I kinda disagree with the bolded in this scenario. This is not every mafia's play-style.




You brought up some ok points about Palmar, but glancing over the exchange I thought Palmar had decent points against you.

I'll look over stuff again here, but there is a decent chance there is mafia between Palmar and HF. I'm not ruling out TvT just yet though, felt like there was some evidence of it.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 17:24 GMT
#1401
On September 03 2016 00:43 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 23:56 Tictock wrote:
Can you explain what is looking worse in Trfel's posts?

1) During EoN he attacks my scott read while ignoring my much more indept Vivax case. I don't understand why he would discredit me by "discussing" my gutread on scott over my well worked out case on Vivax.

That was the first red flag.


2) During D2 he hasn't done much but he did this:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 17:06 Trfel wrote:
Well, I have to wake up in three hours, so that's it for me. I tried to do some lazy POE stuff but it didn't end up with anything eye-opening.

In short, I really like DanelerH because in addition to his play feeling honest and open (example that he said he didn't think we could play at night), it doesn't feel like he's playing for survival or for townreads, but rather actually thinking about the game. One example of this is his early scumread on Koshi, another is not caving in to Holyflare's pressure and looking at disformation.

I'm actually not as sure on scott31337 being mafia, his latest series of posts felt more towny due to the emotions. And geript's play has started to feel more and more like I'd expect from him as town; not so much the immediately solving the game part, ut the thought process.

On the other hand, Tumblewood and Tictock feel worse and worse to me.
Tumblewood still hasn't done anything really other than that Tictock read, and he hasn't felt very involved at all, or motivated to play the game other than that one burst of activity to survive the lynch. For Tictock, his End of Day seemed really bad, and there was some other stuff which I'm forgetting because I'm too tired, but I dunno. I guess I kind of forgot why I thought he was mafia, I'll have to look at him again later.

Still haven't looked at Palmar at all.... And a bit paranoid of Vivax and maybe maaaaaybe Koshi.

Voting for Tumblewood.

Good night.

The second time he repeats that TW and TT look very bad and could be mafia. He has no opinion on Palmar.


And then his last post:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 12:58 Trfel wrote:
Palmar feels especially uncaring today. Even worse than before.

If Palmar is town and being mislynched by a Holyflare that he thinks is mafia, I'd expect him to do something about it.

##unvote
##vote Palmar


Koshi, why did you change your read on Vivax to town?

Suddenly he +1s on the Palmar wagon.



3) The reason why I said he looked worse and worse is that he doesn't even read posts anymore. Why would he conclude Vivax was in my townlist? He just saw I put down some names and "assumed" those were all mafia? But why didn't he complain about scott being in there then.... Like... Tfrel started strong but his last posts are 100% garbage.


Ok I can kinda see what you are getting at, though I thought his question about your scott read was valid and you kinda dodged it.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 17:34 GMT
#1402
On September 03 2016 00:43 Holyflare wrote:
Also because i felt bad for lynching him so upped my effort and the tt inconsistencies drove me on like a puzzle wanting to be solved.

When have I ever been lazy after a lynch?


So not what happened.

You assumed this;
On August 31 2016 06:21 Holyflare wrote:
Ticktock did some weird shit:

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote:
Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.

I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble.

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:54 Tictock wrote:
On August 31 2016 05:51 Rels wrote:
I've read Scott geript and tw filter and I want a geript lynch
Tumble had some townie reactions not long ago
Scott last read list is like exactly mine with my name instead of his name. He could be town for that
Geript has done nothing after his two tryhard posts that had inconsistency in it. I think he is the more likely to flip scum
FTR I also really dislike the way tt is pushing tumble lynch, he is missing some kind of doubts townie usually have


Good, now I feel like my vote on you at the start of the game was justified.

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:57 Tictock wrote:
Arg I actually still don't like the shennanie...


but then voted rels as soon as he claimed blue


For the record I saw Rel's claim at like :59 and didn't have time to process/change vote.

Even if you assume I am mafia and voted Rels like this you should be asking why I would swap my vote last min after stating multiple times that I didn't want to shennanie. "To get a blue lynched" is the easy answer but why risk it when he was probably getting lynched anyways. The only possible reason is if I was mafia with scott and wanted to make sure he didn't get lynched instead. It would also imply that the 3rd mafia had swapped to Rels already (or was afk) or else why risk the attention.

You don't try to make any of those connections till later and instead post a lot of one liners and respond to stuff like this.
On August 31 2016 07:00 Holyflare wrote:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

Nice try though.




For reference this is all on pg 5 of HF's filter.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 17:41 GMT
#1404
On September 03 2016 01:28 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2016 01:19 Trfel wrote:
Caught up with the thread. I really don't know what to do

Part of me wants to lynch Holyflare because I'm being bad and can't find mafia, part of me wants to say that my townread on scott31337 was bad believe in the spreadsheet thing....

Or maybe just stick with Palmar. I guess just stick with Palmar. Because of that one Holyflare post where Palmar can be town and afk, but he can't be town with a scumread on Holyflare and afk.

Need to head out now but I'll be back later.


Remember the wagon on scott yesterday? Imo the purest wagon we had all game long. Super low traction on that one and I suspect only townies being on it.

But you guys don't want to lynch scott for which I'll bitch post game.


I think it's become clear to me that we probably need to lynch Scott today.

I just have issues with HF staying alive in this game atm kus of some of the shit he is spouting and the low amount of thought he is putting into this game.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 17:44 GMT
#1405
On September 03 2016 02:41 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2016 01:28 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2016 01:19 Trfel wrote:
Caught up with the thread. I really don't know what to do

Part of me wants to lynch Holyflare because I'm being bad and can't find mafia, part of me wants to say that my townread on scott31337 was bad believe in the spreadsheet thing....

Or maybe just stick with Palmar. I guess just stick with Palmar. Because of that one Holyflare post where Palmar can be town and afk, but he can't be town with a scumread on Holyflare and afk.

Need to head out now but I'll be back later.


Remember the wagon on scott yesterday? Imo the purest wagon we had all game long. Super low traction on that one and I suspect only townies being on it.

But you guys don't want to lynch scott for which I'll bitch post game.


I think it's become clear to me that we probably need to lynch Scott today.

I just have issues with HF staying alive in this game atm kus of some of the shit he is spouting and the low amount of thought he is putting into this game.


Ok apparently I forgot to actually vote for HF anyway.

##Vote: Scott
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2016 17:46 GMT
#1406
@HF

Do I think it's possible you are mafia with Scott? Yes.

Is it likely? Sorta, though I think if you are then TW would have to be town.

I'm not really trying to piece together the perfect 3 person team who is lock mafia, just trying to narrow my lynch pool.
I can take that responsibility.
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