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On August 21 2016 05:04 Half the Sky wrote:
Trfel elaborate in 1-2 sentences your issue with Tumblewood. His involvement is purely self-seeking, and not town seeking. Initially, he was only involved to get money for his secondary win condition. Now, he's completely uninvolved (after presumably receiving money and not being suspected).
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On August 21 2016 05:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Dani, stop ignoring me already. ENGAGE ME.
Same goes for Trfel. This talking about me without actually talking to me is really getting on my nerves. Wasn't aware that you were around.
I feel that your activity and involvement increased significantly when people were talking about lynching you.
How would you summarize the reasons that you are being considered for the lynch?
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Artanis, why do you think I am mafia?
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On August 21 2016 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:You're a lot more useful when you're town. You've barely been around and your first scumread on me was thinking I was disformation. Since then, it feels like you've just decided to call me scum anyway. I don't see any real evolution in your reads and no conviction behind anything you're doing. A small side thing was the usage of XD in the QT's which is something I think you're likely to use. Here's the thing I don't understand. You are a lot more useful when you are town than in this game. And you've already presented reasons that (I assume) you consider valid to explain this. Why is this a valid reason?
There is really no motivation for me to play the game when I have no ability to do anything. I've been sharing suspicious people who should be dealt with, but I can't do anything about it myself, and I don't even know who has KP or alignment checks.
I need to eat lunch, be back in a bit.
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On August 21 2016 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2016 05:25 Trfel wrote:On August 21 2016 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 21 2016 05:17 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, why do you think I am mafia? You're a lot more useful when you're town. You've barely been around and your first scumread on me was thinking I was disformation. Since then, it feels like you've just decided to call me scum anyway. I don't see any real evolution in your reads and no conviction behind anything you're doing. A small side thing was the usage of XD in the QT's which is something I think you're likely to use. Here's the thing I don't understand. You are a lot more useful when you are town than in this game. And you've already presented reasons that (I assume) you consider valid to explain this. Why is this a valid reason? There is really no motivation for me to play the game when I have no ability to do anything. I've been sharing suspicious people who should be dealt with, but I can't do anything about it myself, and I don't even know who has KP or alignment checks. I need to eat lunch, be back in a bit. I have been very useful since I've been suspected. This has happened in plenty of other games in which I am town; I'm commonly considered for the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch, then this cycle where I get upset/annoyed and spout out a bunch of content happens and I'm mostly treated as confirmed town for the rest of the game. You've been suspected the entire game, and haven't done anything despite that. There's a lynch up and you're still not doing anything. I really don't understand how you can think this.
I'm very happy with the targets getting lynched. Are you not? Should I not be?
Why should I be doing anything else?
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On August 21 2016 06:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2016 06:00 Trfel wrote:On August 21 2016 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 21 2016 05:25 Trfel wrote:On August 21 2016 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 21 2016 05:17 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, why do you think I am mafia? You're a lot more useful when you're town. You've barely been around and your first scumread on me was thinking I was disformation. Since then, it feels like you've just decided to call me scum anyway. I don't see any real evolution in your reads and no conviction behind anything you're doing. A small side thing was the usage of XD in the QT's which is something I think you're likely to use. Here's the thing I don't understand. You are a lot more useful when you are town than in this game. And you've already presented reasons that (I assume) you consider valid to explain this. Why is this a valid reason? There is really no motivation for me to play the game when I have no ability to do anything. I've been sharing suspicious people who should be dealt with, but I can't do anything about it myself, and I don't even know who has KP or alignment checks. I need to eat lunch, be back in a bit. I have been very useful since I've been suspected. This has happened in plenty of other games in which I am town; I'm commonly considered for the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch, then this cycle where I get upset/annoyed and spout out a bunch of content happens and I'm mostly treated as confirmed town for the rest of the game. You've been suspected the entire game, and haven't done anything despite that. There's a lynch up and you're still not doing anything. I really don't understand how you can think this. I'm very happy with the targets getting lynched. Are you not? Should I not be? Why should I be doing anything else? You mentioned Tumblewood. In your reads he's the top person in both lists, yet you're not expanding on him at all. Your list is very long but there appears to be no hierarchy in them. You're not working to find out which are the most likely to be scum between them, or if you have, you haven't made that clear at all. Who do you want to lynch the most, and who do you think isn't actually scum? What are you doing to discern the alignments of the people in your list? Answer: Nothing. Show nested quote +On August 21 2016 06:04 Koshi wrote:On August 21 2016 05:13 Half the Sky wrote:
This is what the votes look like now with 1h45 left.
Europe:
IAMP (6): disformation, HTS, Koshi, MZ, Artanis, Dandel Ion, disformation, Artanis, HTS, Trfel
Artanis (4): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, FF, sicklucker
GlowingBear (1): Rels
Damdred (0): Artanis
USA:
Skynx (8): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, Fecalfeast, MZ, Dandel Ion, Artanis, sicklucker
Trfel (1): Artanis
GlowingBear (0): disformation, HTS, Artanis
sicklucker (0): Koshi Let's do iamp first and give artanis another day. ##unvoteeu
##vote iamp I have done enough today. If you still scumread me you should probably just kill me now and then follow my list. List order is player filter order.
I think that everyone on those lists is likely anti town. I'm probably wrong on a few, sure, but reasons are there and they are good, and very readily apparent from filters.
Town isn't supposed to direct town power roles.
Where are you going with this?
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On August 21 2016 06:30 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2016 06:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 21 2016 06:26 Trfel wrote:On August 21 2016 06:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 21 2016 06:00 Trfel wrote:On August 21 2016 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 21 2016 05:25 Trfel wrote:On August 21 2016 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 21 2016 05:17 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, why do you think I am mafia? You're a lot more useful when you're town. You've barely been around and your first scumread on me was thinking I was disformation. Since then, it feels like you've just decided to call me scum anyway. I don't see any real evolution in your reads and no conviction behind anything you're doing. A small side thing was the usage of XD in the QT's which is something I think you're likely to use. Here's the thing I don't understand. You are a lot more useful when you are town than in this game. And you've already presented reasons that (I assume) you consider valid to explain this. Why is this a valid reason? There is really no motivation for me to play the game when I have no ability to do anything. I've been sharing suspicious people who should be dealt with, but I can't do anything about it myself, and I don't even know who has KP or alignment checks. I need to eat lunch, be back in a bit. I have been very useful since I've been suspected. This has happened in plenty of other games in which I am town; I'm commonly considered for the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch, then this cycle where I get upset/annoyed and spout out a bunch of content happens and I'm mostly treated as confirmed town for the rest of the game. You've been suspected the entire game, and haven't done anything despite that. There's a lynch up and you're still not doing anything. I really don't understand how you can think this. I'm very happy with the targets getting lynched. Are you not? Should I not be? Why should I be doing anything else? You mentioned Tumblewood. In your reads he's the top person in both lists, yet you're not expanding on him at all. Your list is very long but there appears to be no hierarchy in them. You're not working to find out which are the most likely to be scum between them, or if you have, you haven't made that clear at all. Who do you want to lynch the most, and who do you think isn't actually scum? What are you doing to discern the alignments of the people in your list? Answer: Nothing. On August 21 2016 06:04 Koshi wrote:On August 21 2016 05:13 Half the Sky wrote:
This is what the votes look like now with 1h45 left.
Europe:
IAMP (6): disformation, HTS, Koshi, MZ, Artanis, Dandel Ion, disformation, Artanis, HTS, Trfel
Artanis (4): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, FF, sicklucker
GlowingBear (1): Rels
Damdred (0): Artanis
USA:
Skynx (8): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, Fecalfeast, MZ, Dandel Ion, Artanis, sicklucker
Trfel (1): Artanis
GlowingBear (0): disformation, HTS, Artanis
sicklucker (0): Koshi Let's do iamp first and give artanis another day. ##unvoteeu
##vote iamp I have done enough today. If you still scumread me you should probably just kill me now and then follow my list. List order is player filter order. I think that everyone on those lists is likely anti town. I'm probably wrong on a few, sure, but reasons are there and they are good, and very readily apparent from filters. Town isn't supposed to direct town power roles. Where are you going with this? You're.. not doing anything. That's been the point all along. Now you're asking me "why should I put in effort to find out who is the scummiest person when they're all doing things that make them look scummy?" Are we playing the same game? Do you believe their is a faction called mafia? Is nationality above faction? Artanis, if you don't think it's a problem that people like this haven't been shot yet, then I guess we aren't playing the same game.
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I see no reason to try when there are so many suspicious people and none of them are dying and no one cares.
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Thanks guys for the carry 
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You don't know how frustrating it is to know that you're dying 72 hours in advance and there's nothing you can do about it 
Well, okay, we probably could have had Koshi save me, but it would have put him in more risk. And as shown, I didn't consider basically anything to be worth risking Koshi
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