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On July 29 2016 00:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
uggh whatever, let's do it.
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I'll remain sane this game because it's a newbie game. Next vet game and every vet game I'm in though I'll make it a point to be super crazy.
Impossible
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Taking Grack's spot if he cannot play p:
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On July 29 2016 11:04 -Celestial- wrote:
My god its only just hit me just how long its been since I played. And that's only because I noticed Rels in this game. I remember co-hosting in his first game last year, and I only played one game after that co-host. X-D
I really ought to get around here more often. Keep getting distracted by things.
Now that I've experienced what a commitment it is to host a game, I know that I owe you & the other hosts an enormous thank you for that game. It was so good hosting-wise, best flavor & hosting for sure. I have no idea where cakepie went but it's a shame he doesn't host anymore, one year later and my first game still contains the best flavor, votecounts & post game advices I've ever seen.
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On August 02 2016 05:04 Grackaroni wrote:
Rels my reads suck. Please help lol.
lol let me catch up and we'll see what we can do about that
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On August 02 2016 05:05 scott31337 wrote:It's alive! What's going on? Show us some magic!
sure
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On August 01 2016 07:30 scott31337 wrote:
KelsierSC Mderg Stutters and BTDT
This list that scott posted right as he replaced is exactly my list at this point
Welcome my town bro
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Well actually that's the list of the poeple that voted RB
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On August 02 2016 05:41 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 05:37 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 05:26 Skynx wrote:
Anyway I think this is my preferred priority algorythm for now:
Rels>Stutters>btdt>Grack>silent
So imo i liked gracks posts more than other two. Can't really quote out specific ones but his interactions felt more like natural towny to me.
Rels is plynch, same with silent.
We can also throw a curveball and go Luna if we don't want to deal with similar behavior cuz he didnt changed much but pretty sure he's town. So one policy lynch (who just came back to the game) is a better lynch than any of your scum reads who are all better than the other policy lynch? Technically yes. Rels came back sure and i actually realised something from his second post. Plynches are sometimes the way to go but this might now be one. One plynch made 0 posts prior to that opinion, other made couple stating his opinion, thats about it.
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On August 02 2016 05:44 Skynx wrote:
Well since i gotta go bed tone based updates:
Rels, Scott, stutters are town. Also not feeling like plynch as per stutters point so silent gets a pass. Grack is very very slightly above btdt for me.
Mderg or btdt.
Explain the stutters read
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On August 02 2016 05:51 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 05:46 Rels wrote:On August 02 2016 05:44 Skynx wrote:
Well since i gotta go bed tone based updates:
Rels, Scott, stutters are town. Also not feeling like plynch as per stutters point so silent gets a pass. Grack is very very slightly above btdt for me.
Mderg or btdt. Explain the stutters read Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 05:37 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 05:26 Skynx wrote:
Anyway I think this is my preferred priority algorythm for now:
Rels>Stutters>btdt>Grack>silent
So imo i liked gracks posts more than other two. Can't really quote out specific ones but his interactions felt more like natural towny to me.
Rels is plynch, same with silent.
We can also throw a curveball and go Luna if we don't want to deal with similar behavior cuz he didnt changed much but pretty sure he's town. So one policy lynch (who just came back to the game) is a better lynch than any of your scum reads who are all better than the other policy lynch? When someone puts you in a trio as possible scum, this is just not the reaction you give. I feel like its very genuine and game solving kimd of mindset. If he's the scum in the trio then i dont think he'd post something like this, he'd just prolly shut up.
meh meh meh. Don't agree with you. He attacked your post with a weak question, the very same post in which you call him a potential lynch.
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mderg you're scum
##Vote mderg
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Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
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On August 02 2016 06:03 mderg wrote:what makes you think so?
Several things.
First, your entire game is centered around RB, then scott. It's just so easy to talk about him right ? But this post is fucking bullshit:
On August 01 2016 02:53 mderg wrote:
I guess this replacement prevents the plynch discussion that I hoped would give us some information...
I don't believe this for one second. Your voting post is pretty well explained for a "trap":
On August 01 2016 00:04 mderg wrote:
Based on the last page I'd say we policy lynch Race Bannon. It will just get more and more obnoxious, if he continues to post like this. So I simply want to get this out of the way.
##vote Race Bannon
And there WERE some reactions to RB spamming + replacement, and you just didn't seem interested in looking for them.
Second, this post is also bullshit:
On August 02 2016 04:32 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 04:20 -Celestial- wrote:
Also at present:
- silent has done sod all since confirming his feelings on Kelsier
- Rels is going to get himself replaced or modkilled because of total inactivity
Can we expect a replacement or a modkill for Rels if he doesn't turn up at all for the entire day? Now that you mention it, silent is someone I could get behind lynching today. Didn't like his opening and he didn't do anything since then.
"Now thazt you mention it" ? The only thing you've extensively talk about apart from RB / scott was how silent's posts were bad. Your scott read is also based party on that:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 31 2016 21:26 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2016 21:10 silentwarrior wrote:
Well, early posting helps makes other post. We are posting because of him now, aren't we? It helps discussion going, but I agree that now that early game is over he should start getting serious. Hopefully he will start writing constructive stuff from here on.
Kelsier on the other hand said outright that he could post but wouldn't because nothing "reasonable had been posted". But he dosen't post anything at all and says he will even wait. To me that seems a lot more suspicous than posting nonsense. Remember, we are here to lynch mafia not people we don't like. That makes my vote much better than Kelsier. Not to mention it puts pressure on him to not just "see us in a few days" but actually post during this time.
Also, I never said that I wouldn't vote for Race given reason(even said I had no problem with Kelsier voting for him). I didn't vote for Kelsier because he didn't post, I voted for him because he could post but said he wouldn't and instead wait to see what others posted. You have to agree that's kind of suspicous, right? I don't like your reasoning. What Kelsier did was so obvously suspicious that it doesn't really say much. It points much more towards lazy/annoyed than any alignment. On August 01 2016 17:25 mderg wrote:
Completely agree with the stuff about silentwarrior calling out Kelsier. Every proper townie should dislike what Kelsier did. But that doesn't make Kelsier scum, making such a big deal out of it doesn't feel right when you think about it a bit.
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Thoughts on scott: a bit superficial and I absolutely disagree with his thoughts on silent. Don't like him too much for now. On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote:
scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated.
His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post. On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote:
btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial.
Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody.
He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town".
Third, you repeated your scott reasonning several times like a machine, and it's full of words like "superficial" that don't mean anything but looks cool. Standard scum reads. All your reads are like that.
Fourth, I just don't like your tone. Scummy posts ahead:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 01 2016 00:04 mderg wrote:
Based on the last page I'd say we policy lynch Race Bannon. It will just get more and more obnoxious, if he continues to post like this. So I simply want to get this out of the way.
##vote Race Bannon On August 01 2016 02:56 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 01:52 Skynx wrote:On August 01 2016 01:34 Grackaroni wrote:Ok, I'll be back on tonight. I'd like to see some opinions on this post: On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though. But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game
##vote Race Bannon
See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC I don't like this actually. Feels like he's just trying to find reason to sr someone. I mean you don't force some1 into contribute and half the thread was afk anyways. You can ask his opinions befroe he goes away try to spark some activity but voting because he doesnt contribute cuz cba is weak. Yeah, it's a lazy scumread On August 01 2016 06:00 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 05:38 Lunaticman wrote:On August 01 2016 05:09 KelsierSC wrote:
game starting again cool. Hi i'm town So are you having regrets about something? Your first posts really didn't put you in a good position becauset they were a super lame buss attempt on a "policy lynch" (however I don't think many would disagree on it), I would consider this was more of a towny mistake than anything but if I was town I wouldn't go back on what I said like that without an explination something like: "hey I messed that one up and thought he was super annoying". No intead you were like "Hi I'm town". It's like your just trying to hide what you previously stated. I would definatly not have a problem lynching you for your posting behaviour tbh. Why are you talking about a bus attempt? Do you know Race Bannon's alignment? On August 01 2016 06:45 mderg wrote:
Do something to change that
These are all posts that look like you're trying to hard to be useful. But aren't useful.
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I read and read and read mderg's filter and find him each time scummier.
Him calling out scott for being superficial is a joke. His scott read is the most shallow and non-evolving read ever.
On August 01 2016 17:25 mderg wrote:
Thoughts on scott: a bit superficial and I absolutely disagree with his thoughts on silent. Don't like him too much for now.
On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 21:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 17:40 mderg wrote:On August 01 2016 12:57 Grackaroni wrote:On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking. I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it. This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy? I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this. However I have huge issues with this bit: Right now I'm kind of inclined to lynch Mderg just because I think the three people he has pushed so far (Silentwarrior, Lunatic, scott) have been the townier people in the thread, and he has pushed suspicion on two of them and tried to policy lynch the third. No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean. The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's. I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia. Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic! As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things. My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott. I didn't push lunatic, I was just hoping my post would start some discussion while I'm away. That makes it 2 "town slots" I've pushed. I really can't see what you like about either of them. I actually dislike scott's posts more than I did Race Bannon's (alignment wise). explAin dood Race Bannon simply posted gibberish which is obnoxious and annoying but not really alignment indicative. scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated. His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post.
On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 22:56 Skynx wrote:
Also Moosy how is KSC town is that a tone read? Yes. On August 01 2016 22:54 mderg wrote:On August 01 2016 22:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote:On August 01 2016 21:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 17:40 mderg wrote:On August 01 2016 12:57 Grackaroni wrote:On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking. I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it. This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy? I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this. However I have huge issues with this bit: Right now I'm kind of inclined to lynch Mderg just because I think the three people he has pushed so far (Silentwarrior, Lunatic, scott) have been the townier people in the thread, and he has pushed suspicion on two of them and tried to policy lynch the third. No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean. The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's. I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia. Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic! As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things. My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott. I didn't push lunatic, I was just hoping my post would start some discussion while I'm away. That makes it 2 "town slots" I've pushed. I really can't see what you like about either of them. I actually dislike scott's posts more than I did Race Bannon's (alignment wise). explAin dood Race Bannon simply posted gibberish which is obnoxious and annoying but not really alignment indicative. scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated. His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post. So do you think btdt's post was shit or good? it was bad So you're scumreading scott because he's scumreading btdt for making a shit post? The scumread itself is not my issue with scott. I'll try to explain it again. btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial. Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody. He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town". That's just way too superficial for me. There's no effort to really figure people out in there, just focusing on single posts with imo very little value. It's like he's following a simple line of seeing a obviouslybad post -> seeing people calling those posts out -> townreading those people. I'd expect a townie to put a bit more thought into it than that.
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Yep this is the lynch.
All aboard the mderg express. You have to be seated before the departure. Scummates traveling with mderg are not allowed in
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On August 02 2016 06:24 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 06:15 Rels wrote:On August 02 2016 06:03 mderg wrote:On August 02 2016 06:02 Rels wrote:
mderg you're scum
##Vote mderg what makes you think so? Several things. First, your entire game is centered around RB, then scott. It's just so easy to talk about him right ? But this post is fucking bullshit: On August 01 2016 02:53 mderg wrote:
I guess this replacement prevents the plynch discussion that I hoped would give us some information... I don't believe this for one second. Your voting post is pretty well explained for a "trap": On August 01 2016 00:04 mderg wrote:
Based on the last page I'd say we policy lynch Race Bannon. It will just get more and more obnoxious, if he continues to post like this. So I simply want to get this out of the way.
##vote Race Bannon And there WERE some reactions to RB spamming + replacement, and you just didn't seem interested in looking for them. Second, this post is also bullshit: On August 02 2016 04:32 mderg wrote:On August 02 2016 04:20 -Celestial- wrote:
Also at present:
- silent has done sod all since confirming his feelings on Kelsier
- Rels is going to get himself replaced or modkilled because of total inactivity
Can we expect a replacement or a modkill for Rels if he doesn't turn up at all for the entire day? Now that you mention it, silent is someone I could get behind lynching today. Didn't like his opening and he didn't do anything since then. "Now thazt you mention it" ? The only thing you've extensively talk about apart from RB / scott was how silent's posts were bad. Your scott read is also based party on that: + Show Spoiler +On July 31 2016 21:26 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2016 21:10 silentwarrior wrote:
Well, early posting helps makes other post. We are posting because of him now, aren't we? It helps discussion going, but I agree that now that early game is over he should start getting serious. Hopefully he will start writing constructive stuff from here on.
Kelsier on the other hand said outright that he could post but wouldn't because nothing "reasonable had been posted". But he dosen't post anything at all and says he will even wait. To me that seems a lot more suspicous than posting nonsense. Remember, we are here to lynch mafia not people we don't like. That makes my vote much better than Kelsier. Not to mention it puts pressure on him to not just "see us in a few days" but actually post during this time.
Also, I never said that I wouldn't vote for Race given reason(even said I had no problem with Kelsier voting for him). I didn't vote for Kelsier because he didn't post, I voted for him because he could post but said he wouldn't and instead wait to see what others posted. You have to agree that's kind of suspicous, right? I don't like your reasoning. What Kelsier did was so obvously suspicious that it doesn't really say much. It points much more towards lazy/annoyed than any alignment. On August 01 2016 17:25 mderg wrote:
Completely agree with the stuff about silentwarrior calling out Kelsier. Every proper townie should dislike what Kelsier did. But that doesn't make Kelsier scum, making such a big deal out of it doesn't feel right when you think about it a bit.
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Thoughts on scott: a bit superficial and I absolutely disagree with his thoughts on silent. Don't like him too much for now. On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote:
scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated.
His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post. On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote:
btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial.
Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody.
He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town". Third, you repeated your scott reasonning several times like a machine, and it's full of words like "superficial" that don't mean anything but looks cool. Standard scum reads. All your reads are like that. Fourth, I just don't like your tone. Scummy posts ahead: + Show Spoiler +On August 01 2016 00:04 mderg wrote:
Based on the last page I'd say we policy lynch Race Bannon. It will just get more and more obnoxious, if he continues to post like this. So I simply want to get this out of the way.
##vote Race Bannon On August 01 2016 02:56 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 01:52 Skynx wrote:On August 01 2016 01:34 Grackaroni wrote:Ok, I'll be back on tonight. I'd like to see some opinions on this post: On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though. But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game
##vote Race Bannon
See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC I don't like this actually. Feels like he's just trying to find reason to sr someone. I mean you don't force some1 into contribute and half the thread was afk anyways. You can ask his opinions befroe he goes away try to spark some activity but voting because he doesnt contribute cuz cba is weak. Yeah, it's a lazy scumread On August 01 2016 06:00 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 05:38 Lunaticman wrote:On August 01 2016 05:09 KelsierSC wrote:
game starting again cool. Hi i'm town So are you having regrets about something? Your first posts really didn't put you in a good position becauset they were a super lame buss attempt on a "policy lynch" (however I don't think many would disagree on it), I would consider this was more of a towny mistake than anything but if I was town I wouldn't go back on what I said like that without an explination something like: "hey I messed that one up and thought he was super annoying". No intead you were like "Hi I'm town". It's like your just trying to hide what you previously stated. I would definatly not have a problem lynching you for your posting behaviour tbh. Why are you talking about a bus attempt? Do you know Race Bannon's alignment? On August 01 2016 06:45 mderg wrote:
Do something to change that These are all posts that look like you're trying to hard to be useful. But aren't useful. I never said that I started some policy lynch discussion so we could get some information out of it. I was just a bit disappointed that pretty much the only ting that actually got people to do stuff was shut off because of the replacement. No ulterior motive, just some disappointment. The "Now that you mention it" was more of a "Oh, I've forgot he is actually a possible lynch target". Why did I call scott's reasoning superficial? Because it was superficial.
1. This does not make any sense. If you were swithout plan then you should have been happy with RB being replaced, not disappointed. Policy lynches give almost 0 info.
I realize that if you're town I'm being super tunneled. BUT I can only see this as a proof that you KNEW RB was a townie.
2. I don't believe it. You repeated several times that yhou didn't like silent's posts.
3. Scummy read is scummy
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On August 02 2016 06:30 Grackaroni wrote:
I would be down with lynching Mderg.
Welcome aboard!
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On August 02 2016 06:33 J Roc wrote:
I'm not lynching mderg. I agree with a lot of his reads.
Which!
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On August 02 2016 06:35 -Celestial- wrote:
I'm kinda open to being convinced on mderg honestly. I don't like the silent vote as much as I did before his last post (though his silence through this game has been deafening). And if I shift I think that switches the vote off scott, who I really don't want to see lynched D1. And I don't think its likely other trains will get going at this point unless someone picks up on something really blatant.
Can anyone provide a concise, clear, convincing argument to switch right now?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=23
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On August 02 2016 07:05 silentwarrior wrote:
Rels, what's your take on stutters and my case about him? I read yours on mderg and agree with most of what you wrote, but Stutter's is so blatantly mafia. Also, can others also comment on it?
These posts are townie:
On August 02 2016 06:44 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote:On August 02 2016 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 22:56 Skynx wrote:
Also Moosy how is KSC town is that a tone read? Yes. On August 01 2016 22:54 mderg wrote:On August 01 2016 22:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote:On August 01 2016 21:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 17:40 mderg wrote:On August 01 2016 12:57 Grackaroni wrote:On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking.
I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it.
This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy?
I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this.
However I have huge issues with this bit:
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No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean.
The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's.
I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia. Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic! As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things. My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott. I didn't push lunatic, I was just hoping my post would start some discussion while I'm away. That makes it 2 "town slots" I've pushed. I really can't see what you like about either of them. I actually dislike scott's posts more than I did Race Bannon's (alignment wise). explAin dood Race Bannon simply posted gibberish which is obnoxious and annoying but not really alignment indicative. scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated. His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post. So do you think btdt's post was shit or good? it was bad So you're scumreading scott because he's scumreading btdt for making a shit post? The scumread itself is not my issue with scott. I'll try to explain it again. btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial. Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody. He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town". That's just way too superficial for me. There's no effort to really figure people out in there, just focusing on single posts with imo very little value. It's like he's following a simple line of seeing a obviouslybad post -> seeing people calling those posts out -> townreading those people. I'd expect a townie to put a bit more thought into it than that. This post makes me much more in favor of a silent lynch over mderg now that I've read his filter
On August 02 2016 06:48 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 06:36 -Celestial- wrote:
EBWOP: I don't like silent as much as I did but I still think he's pretty scummy.
For clarification there, before someone decides to misrepresent me. Out of curiosity, what did you see in his post that makes you less sure? Before he was a plynch essentially, now he's someone I actively want to lynch.
So I'm not sure of anything on Stutters.
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On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote:
And thats about it I guess.
Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.
Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.
Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while.
I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train.
I like this list.
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On August 02 2016 22:35 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 22:13 Rels wrote:On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote:
And thats about it I guess.
Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.
Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.
Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while.
I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train. I like this list. Actuall thoughts?
Some but I'm working so you will have to wait until tonight
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I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ?
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On August 03 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ? What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment: Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read. I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked." Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch. I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game.
Where am I portraying anything ? My only post tonight has been "I like this list"
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On August 03 2016 02:35 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 02:35 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ? What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment: Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read. I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked." Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch. I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game. Where am I portraying anything ? My only post tonight has been "I like this list" Yeah that's the one. You're basing your reads off the vote and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. J'accuse!
You don't know what I'm basing my reads on.
This reaction is waaaaay too over the top to be townie. I say I like ONE post with ONE list with your name as scum on it, and you've said all of this. But it is based on nothing since I didn't say anything.
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This is what you're doing. And this is scum indicative.
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On August 03 2016 02:49 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 02:41 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:35 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:35 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ? What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment: Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read. I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked." Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch. I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game. Where am I portraying anything ? My only post tonight has been "I like this list" Yeah that's the one. You're basing your reads off the vote and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. J'accuse! You don't know what I'm basing my reads on. This reaction is waaaaay too over the top to be townie. I say I like ONE post with ONE list with your name as scum on it, and you've said all of this. But it is based on nothing since I didn't say anything. O M G U S This is what you're doing. And this is scum indicative. But it was not just one list with my name on it. It was a list with everybody who voted Mderg in red. Therefore, Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 23:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Ah, HIJOLE! I am being slandered
I Dinnae say that!
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Yet not sure I want to out those who Dinnae read what I Dinnae say that they say I said but to for to LaL, I don't know!!!
I don't believe you can really believe this to be true.
Skynx makes a list with you on it and other people => you're OK with it.
I say I like the list => you scumread me.
It doesn't make any sense.
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Feel free to re explain as much as you want
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On August 03 2016 02:58 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 02:57 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:49 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:41 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:35 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:35 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ? What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment: Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read. I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked." Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch. I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game. Where am I portraying anything ? My only post tonight has been "I like this list" Yeah that's the one. You're basing your reads off the vote and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. J'accuse! You don't know what I'm basing my reads on. This reaction is waaaaay too over the top to be townie. I say I like ONE post with ONE list with your name as scum on it, and you've said all of this. But it is based on nothing since I didn't say anything. O M G U S This is what you're doing. And this is scum indicative. But it was not just one list with my name on it. It was a list with everybody who voted Mderg in red. Therefore, On January 26 2014 23:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Ah, HIJOLE! I am being slandered
I Dinnae say that!
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Yet not sure I want to out those who Dinnae read what I Dinnae say that they say I said but to for to LaL, I don't know!!! I don't believe you can really believe this to be true. Skynx makes a list with you on it and other people => you're OK with it. I say I like the list => you scumread me. It doesn't make any sense. I have higher expectations from you.
Bullshit.
Nowhere in your two posts did this ever pop up as a reason to scumread me and not scumread Skynx.
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This was your reason:
On August 03 2016 01:59 Grackaroni wrote:
If I have not made my post clearly enough here is my issue:
Celestial believed that me/Silent were mafia from the beginning and sees confirmation of it in the end of the day vote.
Stutters believed that I was mafia during the day and sees confirmation of it in the end of the day and comes to the conclusion that Silent and I are mafia.
Both of these make sense.
Rels on the other hand was suspecting KSC/BTDT and was not suspecting me or silent or Scott. None of the votes on the Mderg wagon seem scum motivated. There's no reason for Rels to buy into Celestial/Stutters' theory without already believing that one of us is mafia. As town I would expect Rels to ignore the wagons completely from his prior reads.
Not "Some people are bad so they are allowed to make stupid posts while Rels is not".
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So your argument is: Skynx makes a mafia list of dudes that voted for silent. Rels says it's a good list. Since there is nothing fishy about how the votes went down yesterday, Rels is scum fishing for some easy targets.
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On August 03 2016 03:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hi Rels, who do you think is scum and why. Also your thoughts on what me, Celestial, and Stutters posted.
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On August 03 2016 03:17 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 03:12 Rels wrote:
So your argument is: Skynx makes a mafia list of dudes that voted for silent. Rels says it's a good list. Since there is nothing fishy about how the votes went down yesterday, Rels is scum fishing for some easy targets. My argument is that day one you seemed to be reading the game in a similar way that I was. Day 2 you moved with the thread sentiment for what looks like reasons that I don't believe you would actually read as scum indicative. (being on the mderg lynch)
Why ? Who were you scumreading between the mderg lynch and the scumread on me ? Who would you expect me to scumread and for what reasons ?
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Start of night you posted reads that I also share:
On August 02 2016 08:44 Grackaroni wrote:
Well, I'm just going to take tomorrow off. I'm sick of looking at this game. Night kill will in all likelihood be between Celestial and Rels, possibly stutters. Doctor should choose between one of them. See ya next phase.
Then:
On August 02 2016 08:44 Grackaroni wrote:
When I come back my reads will likely be entirely different.
Then no more reads until the posts on me.
What do you disagree with with the Skynx post ?
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You had no scumreads all night apart from the one on me. You had two townreads that we share. So I don'tr understand why this is a reason to scumread me:
"My argument is that day one you seemed to be reading the game in a similar way that I was. Day 2 you moved with the thread sentiment for what looks like reasons that I don't believe you would actually read as scum indicative. (being on the mderg lynch)"
ESPECIALLY since we mislynched, so it's normal reads evolve, and ESPECIALLY since you've said your reads were also going to change entirely.
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On August 03 2016 03:41 Grackaroni wrote:
I will not yield, Rels. Oh no, no, no! A fight through the day there shall be!
ok
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On August 03 2016 04:01 Stutters695 wrote:
Rels, what do you make of my case on Grack? Weird that you don't even mention that.
It seemed OK.
I'm going out so I won't have time to give my thoughts before deadline. But TBF I have nothing incredible to say.
Basically if I die, Skynx' list is exactly where I am at.
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yo
I'm vig and I shot Grac
I wanted to shoot silent but he duelled me
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On August 03 2016 03:41 Grackaroni wrote:
I will not yield, Rels. Oh no, no, no! A fight through the day there shall be!
WHO IS THE STRONGEST NOW BITCH
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I apologize for my lack of involvment this game.
I'll take some hours tonight to get serious about the game
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On August 03 2016 17:13 Skynx wrote:
Nice shit, after like 4 people saying how vigclaim is not the play here
Except it is in my case, 'cause if I didn't people would try to lynch me all day and I would not be able to get the people I want lynched.
PLUS I don't care if I'm being roleblocked cause I don't have any power anymore.
PLUS as long as we have a doc and he doesn't have to claim I cannot die. Maybe scum will roll the dice of the setup being vet / vig instead of doc / vig and shoot me, but they will have a 50/50 chance to have their shot blocked. So I'm a confirmed town with a high chance of surviving.
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On August 03 2016 17:13 Skynx wrote:
Nice shit, after like 4 people saying how vigclaim is not the play here
I've been thinking about it and I think this is a really scummy reaction. In Skynx' mind, before the claim, I was the most likely scum in the game. The lynch today was basically me or silent, according to his list during the night. So me claiming is a fucking GOOD thing for him, as it makes him re evaluate and should push him in the right path instead of wasting time scumreading me.
But Skynx' reaction is the opposite. He is not happy with my claim because "this is not what we decided to do". This makes little sense when he should be happy that a claim showed him at least one of his read was wrong. I would agree that Celestial claiming would be a fucking waste for him: but me, a strong scumread, claiming should be nice for him.
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In addition, I heavily agree with Grac about Lunatic about how his attitude this game doesn't add up at all with his attitude last game as town.
I think I'm gonna push one of Luna / Skynx today.
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On August 03 2016 07:55 silentwarrior wrote:I believe Lunatic is Mafia. Here is why: Lunatic started of the game with saying he think Race was town for his excesive posting. But when Grack said the same thing he says "I don't know how you came to that conclusion" and says it's an easy way to get town points. But Lunatic literally did the same thing 4 posts before.: Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote:On August 01 2016 00:55 Grackaroni wrote:On August 01 2016 00:50 Stutters695 wrote:On August 01 2016 00:38 Grackaroni wrote:On August 01 2016 00:25 Stutters695 wrote:On July 31 2016 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey guys, totally reasonable Moosy chipping in here. My totally logical thoughts say that Race Bannon is spamming for the sake of spamming. As a man who employs this technique myself I say it's safe to ignore every post he makes and address him on a later date since he's basically guaranteed to act like a sack of potatoes all of D1. Slight issue is that's totally unreasonable. He was completely capable of producing readable content as both alignments in previous games. This is probably an attempt to shift his meta, although it's almost inconsequential because it is incredibly anti-town. You should read Race Bannon's blog. Page 2 is where it starts to really get good. Can I get a tldr? Gonna lynch him? It is just the LONGEST stream of gibberish that I have ever seen. Celestial is right it looks like Race just got banned for 2 weeks, so a replacement should be on the way. Based on his play so far I think he was more likely to be town. I don't know how you came to that conclusion but since he is being replaced can you please elaborate on this read. Also this is a good way to get town cred now that he is getting replaced. He also says he dosen't want to post a lot because apparently in another game that ticked people off. That is a huge red flag for me. I don't think anyone would not want someone to post a lot. He says he will cutdown posting for that reason. Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 05:32 Lunaticman wrote:On August 01 2016 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 05:17 Lunaticman wrote:On August 01 2016 04:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 00:37 Skynx wrote:On August 01 2016 00:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Eh, not too fond of policy lynches D1 Hahahahaha Hey man I would be dead 85% of the time if people went for policy lynches D1. Care to elaborate why? Ask the other ppl in this game lol. Normally I'm batshit insane but I'm being the super reasonable Moosy right now. Well I don't really know what to make of that tbh, but it sounds super fishy? I think I had to change a few things about my playstyle here also. I ticked of a lot of the other townies last game because of my excessive posting. So guess I will try to cutback a bit on the posting but I just hope we get some discussions going. At that point he had done no analyzing or contributed in the slightest. He then attacks KSC in what can only be desribed as an easy way to get town points. He states that KSC went back on his word, even though he did no such thing and puts words in his mouth. He basically tries to make a case out of nothing. Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 05:38 Lunaticman wrote:On August 01 2016 05:09 KelsierSC wrote:
game starting again cool. Hi i'm town So are you having regrets about something? Your first posts really didn't put you in a good position becauset they were a super lame buss attempt on a "policy lynch" (however I don't think many would disagree on it), I would consider this was more of a towny mistake than anything but if I was town I wouldn't go back on what I said like that without an explination something like: "hey I messed that one up and thought he was super annoying". No intead you were like "Hi I'm town". It's like your just trying to hide what you previously stated. I would definatly not have a problem lynching you for your posting behaviour tbh. When celestial comes in with his big post he becomes his no:1 fanboy and basically tries his best at buddying up with him. The following post is nothing but licking celestials boot. Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 12:11 Lunaticman wrote:On August 01 2016 11:44 -Celestial- wrote:
That'll have to do for tonight I'm afraid. Its nearly four in the morning. My brain was already starting to feel numb about half way through writing that. First I just want to say what an incredible post, I love it! Also no mafia would ever write a post that is so coherent so you are the best town lean in the game for me atm. Tbh I didnt even realize rels was in the game, my god bring out another salt shacker for me lol. Yeah also I think I misunderstood the term bussing, I think I was thinking of like a train? When someone stacks votes on a player. I dont know the proper terminology for it. Be back in a couple of hours from work. Also, he says he cant trust Grac here: Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote:On August 01 2016 01:52 Skynx wrote:On August 01 2016 01:34 Grackaroni wrote:Ok, I'll be back on tonight. I'd like to see some opinions on this post: On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though. But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game
##vote Race Bannon
See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC I don't like this actually. Feels like he's just trying to find reason to sr someone. I mean you don't force some1 into contribute and half the thread was afk anyways. You can ask his opinions befroe he goes away try to spark some activity but voting because he doesnt contribute cuz cba is weak. It feels like you are also sceptical of Grac, I don't know if I will be able to trust him. Also I think he is playing similar to last game so far. I don't know if that is good or bad. The big difference is that he is contributing "more" atm so that should indicate he is towny? But just a few posts after he calls him town after his skepticism isn't shared by skynx. He then goes back on his word twice on grack in one post. He says he thinks he is probably town but will "wait and see". Basically not wanting to take a stance at all and keeping his options open, very scumlike. Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 18:40 Lunaticman wrote:On August 01 2016 14:51 Skynx wrote:On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote:On August 01 2016 01:52 Skynx wrote:On August 01 2016 01:34 Grackaroni wrote:Ok, I'll be back on tonight. I'd like to see some opinions on this post: On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though. But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game
##vote Race Bannon
See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC I don't like this actually. Feels like he's just trying to find reason to sr someone. I mean you don't force some1 into contribute and half the thread was afk anyways. You can ask his opinions befroe he goes away try to spark some activity but voting because he doesnt contribute cuz cba is weak. It feels like you are also sceptical of Grac, I don't know if I will be able to trust him. Also I think he is playing similar to last game so far. I don't know if that is good or bad. The big difference is that he is contributing "more" atm so that should indicate he is towny? He asked for people's opinions, I gave one, how's that being sceptical of anyone? Also previous games shouldn't have an effect on how you approach people if they are not massive trolls. If you feel like you have such a good feel in his playstyle after 1 game and can meta read him based off of that 24h into a new game please inform us. That's what I did I must say I think he played brilliantly last game so of course I put him under the spotlight. I think he is probably town since it feels like he's intention is to solve the game atm. But he already fooled me once so we will have to wait and see I suppose. He then puts his vote on Rels, who was still inactive at that point. He was probably the easiest vote seeing as he was inactive. No one would even think twice about it, not even rels. After that he goes on to say that rels should accept resposibility for mislynching mderg, which makes no sense. Mderg was honestly acting scummy, and having mislynched someone obv don't make you mafia. Also, now that some of the thread have moved against Grac, he flips again from previous position and calls grac scummy. To me all this points that Lunatic is Mafia.
This is a pretty good case.
##Vote Lunatic
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On August 03 2016 20:00 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 17:13 Skynx wrote:
Nice shit, after like 4 people saying how vigclaim is not the play here I've been thinking about it and I think this is a really scummy reaction. In Skynx' mind, before the claim, I was the most likely scum in the game. The lynch today was basically me or silent, according to his list during the night. So me claiming is a fucking GOOD thing for him, as it makes him re evaluate and should push him in the right path instead of wasting time scumreading me. But Skynx' reaction is the opposite. He is not happy with my claim because "this is not what we decided to do". This makes little sense when he should be happy that a claim showed him at least one of his read was wrong. I would agree that Celestial claiming would be a fucking waste for him: but me, a strong scumread, claiming should be nice for him. I've been thinking about it and I think this is a really scummy reaction. If you're actually vigi, claiming before next EoN would make your claim undeniable, not right now. What is pushing the "right" part in your opinion here? Grack flipped green so it clears Silent? You are confirmed town so only lynch now is Scott?
I didn't claim right before deadline because I was sleeping.
I don't understand what you are saying in that second part of your post. What I'm saying is that you should be happy that I claim cause now you know that I'm town and you can push whoever you want, silent or scsott being the most logical that is true given your list. Nothing you've written addresses this.
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On August 03 2016 20:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, do u have a delicious role breadcrumb or nah
no
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On August 04 2016 00:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 21:18 Rels wrote:On August 03 2016 20:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, do u have a delicious role breadcrumb or nah no  you're slipping mahn.
I don't think I ever breadcrumb as blue p: all my breadcrumbs were always as scum
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On August 04 2016 00:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, how are you enjoying the totally suave and totally reasonable Moosy?
I hate it.
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Yeah Lunatic dude couldn't help but post every 30 seconds in the previous game, but can't be assed to post for days here. Mafia, or he has some IRL urgencies. Let's hope it's not the latter.
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On August 04 2016 22:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 08:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Okay. Not much happened. Rels is confirmed town / un-cc'ed vig. I like Celestial a lot although his posting volume has dropped from D1 into a more lazy D2 so far. Town. Kelsier might very well be lurky scum. He voted, left the thread. No contribution at all. But as others pointed out already, also low-hanging mislynch fruit, so yeh, he needs to step up. MoosyDoosy. He played so shitty in the last game we had as town, totally yolo, and while I have techincally nothing that makes me think he's scum, I still have that weird gut feeling of "he's 180 degree changed since last game". J Roc. I think I completely disregarded this guy so far. So here we go. + Show Spoiler +On July 31 2016 20:31 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though. But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game
##vote Race Bannon
See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC This post. Spaming the thread doesnt help town in anyway. If anything it shuts down discussion because people dont want to deal with him. Normally I dont like policy lynches day one but here I dont mind the vote going on Bannon. Your problem is that someone posting shouldnt be voted. But when that person is doing nothing constructive and just posting nonsense it does nothing. So you reason for voting Kelsier is bad. While I dont like the fact that he said be back in a few days I had no problem with his vote and dont like your reason for voting him when he is putting pressure on someone who frankly needs pressure put on him. I think this is a town indicative post. At this point he could easily go for RB but states very clearly why it isn't necessarily a good idea. What is interesting is that he, contrary to me, absolutely dislikes scott's entrance: + Show Spoiler +On August 01 2016 20:30 J Roc wrote:
Just something real quick and I will be back later.
I really hated scotts entrance.
Race Bannons actions completely null and the fact that he came in here saying he knew RB was town from a obs point of view is really off to me.
Also the dude who wrote the huge post. You have pocketed me. Well played. Not voting you.
Ill be back later.
##Vote: Scott He even votes him. + Show Spoiler +On August 02 2016 10:17 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 02 2016 10:12 J Roc wrote:On August 02 2016 10:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 02 2016 10:02 J Roc wrote:On August 02 2016 09:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:I also actually don't mind this D1 lynch at all. Good work Rels. And if I may ask old buddy, what's your read on me?  Was a bad lynch, we should have lynched Scott. Would you lynch me and Rels? Wouldn't lynch you at this point. Why would I? Rels needs to be looked at much harder because I disagreed with him on mderg but Scott is scum. scott is scum for his reasoning behind his posts? Or is there anything else? The fact that he just fucked off and let the train happen without doing anything else is really suspicious also. And keeps it up. On August 02 2016 10:28 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally. Or Scott is mafia. And up. On August 02 2016 10:32 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally. Like seriousness. Nothing race bannon did was alignment indicative, nothing. So you can't say he was low hanging fruit like he was confirmed town. He can play like that as either alignment. And up. Aaand finally: On August 03 2016 18:52 J Roc wrote:
I wont be around much today...
##Vote Scott.
I said there were scum on the mderg wagon. A vigi claimed and a vt flipped. We lynch scott 100% here today. The interesting thing here is that we had three people coming in and being very pushy: Scott, Rels, Roc. Rels is confirmed town, and Roc is going nuts on Scott. But I feel this is town vs. town here. The whole "scott couldn't be so sure in obs that rb is town" argument is weak imho. Having "wrong" thoughts or at least "unsure" opinions can happen, it's a guessing game. Of course this is not clearing scott but as long as there won't be more coming about scott I will not join the wagon that Jroc is trying to establish. Can't continue now for RL reasons, sorry. Will try to drop more stuff. For the time being, I'll join the Lunatic train. Good stuff going on there. ##vote LunaticManStill, JRoc comes on my town pile. Anyone calling me low hanging fruit or reluctant to lynch me is fairly suspicous at this point
100%
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On August 05 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote:
Youre relucting to vote Lunatic or at least I take that from your wording. Why? Also, I feel like youre wrong on scott, he's in my town circle. He's fairly actice, pushy, and I can see where most of his reads come from.
I actually let go of my town lean of you. If Lunatic flips red, I can easily see you bussing here to gain towncred. I am also a bit paranoid about a scott, you and lunatic team but for now the only reason to add Scott to that list is the pterequisite that you are scum, so its highly associative.
I don't get how scott goes from "in my town circle" to "in my Lunatic's likely partners".
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Furthermore you think Lunatic is scum right ?
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On August 05 2016 03:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 03:12 Skynx wrote:Man I so lost motivation for dis with work being more hectic than ever + TI n olympix at the same time Hey man, I'm pretty sure you're town so all is well. Just give brief thoughts on lunatic/btdt/anyone else scummy 4u and vote one of them but preferably on lunatic/btdt unless u notice something big.
Well who are you your two most liekly scums ? Cause it seemed like it was Lunatic + Celestial
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On August 05 2016 03:16 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 02:55 Rels wrote:On August 05 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote:
Youre relucting to vote Lunatic or at least I take that from your wording. Why? Also, I feel like youre wrong on scott, he's in my town circle. He's fairly actice, pushy, and I can see where most of his reads come from.
I actually let go of my town lean of you. If Lunatic flips red, I can easily see you bussing here to gain towncred. I am also a bit paranoid about a scott, you and lunatic team but for now the only reason to add Scott to that list is the pterequisite that you are scum, so its highly associative. I don't get how scott goes from "in my town circle" to "in my Lunatic's likely partners". Thats why I said highly associative. If lunatic plus celestial are scum, I can see Scott scum. Last sentence of my post says "only reason to put him on that List", thought that makes my stance clear.
Well who are you your two most liekly scums ? Cause it seemed like it was Lunatic + Celestial
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On August 05 2016 04:20 Skynx wrote:
Rels can be confirmed for now I guess, I would still go back and read his interactions with Grack pre night flip tho.
Thanks for confirming yourself town
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On August 05 2016 04:18 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 03:25 Rels wrote:On August 05 2016 03:16 beentheredonethat wrote:On August 05 2016 02:55 Rels wrote:On August 05 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote:
Youre relucting to vote Lunatic or at least I take that from your wording. Why? Also, I feel like youre wrong on scott, he's in my town circle. He's fairly actice, pushy, and I can see where most of his reads come from.
I actually let go of my town lean of you. If Lunatic flips red, I can easily see you bussing here to gain towncred. I am also a bit paranoid about a scott, you and lunatic team but for now the only reason to add Scott to that list is the pterequisite that you are scum, so its highly associative. I don't get how scott goes from "in my town circle" to "in my Lunatic's likely partners". Thats why I said highly associative. If lunatic plus celestial are scum, I can see Scott scum. Last sentence of my post says "only reason to put him on that List", thought that makes my stance clear. Well who are you your two most liekly scums ? Cause it seemed like it was Lunatic + Celestial Lunatic. Celestial in my paranoid world.
Then I don't understand why you even consider scott in your town circle, since in your world he's the most likely partners of your two most likely scumteam.
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On August 05 2016 04:32 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 17:45 Rels wrote:
Yeah Lunatic dude couldn't help but post every 30 seconds in the previous game, but can't be assed to post for days here. Mafia, or he has some IRL urgencies. Let's hope it's not the latter. Or he took lessons from last game.
What lessons ? That he should do the exact opposite as last game ?
Last game he tried an awful lot. He was super wrong, but so was everybody, and he was saying a lot of nonsense; but he tryharded as fuck. There is NOTHING that shows that this game. He is scum
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On August 05 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:
Guys Lunatic is not the lynch here...
##Vote: Silentwarrior
No, Lunatic is the lynch
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On August 05 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 04:46 Rels wrote:On August 05 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:
Guys Lunatic is not the lynch here...
##Vote: Silentwarrior No, Lunatic is the lynch Okay since you are here, why is silent town? Why you defended him intentionally or unintentionally all game? Take your time.
I'm not sure he's town. But all of these are more likely to flip scum than silentwarrior:
Lunatic KSC Moosy
As to why silent might be town:
I can see his thoughts process in all his posts. Everything he says is logical. If you scumread him for activity, please the only other game he played on this website: he also played a low activity game with long posts. He made a huge case on someone just before end of night. That is something a townie is way more likely to do than scum.
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On August 05 2016 05:01 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 04:58 Rels wrote:On August 05 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:On August 05 2016 04:46 Rels wrote:On August 05 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:
Guys Lunatic is not the lynch here...
##Vote: Silentwarrior No, Lunatic is the lynch Okay since you are here, why is silent town? Why you defended him intentionally or unintentionally all game? Take your time. I'm not sure he's town. But all of these are more likely to flip scum than silentwarrior: Lunatic KSC Moosy As to why silent might be town: I can see his thoughts process in all his posts. Everything he says is logical. If you scumread him for activity, please the only other game he played on this website: he also played a low activity game with long posts. He made a huge case on someone just before end of night. That is something a townie is way more likely to do than scum. I've been posting continuously for last hour or so on why silent is mafia and you say I wanna lycch him for activity...
The only other reason that I see are "silentwarrior voted mderg for no reason". Imagine if he was town in his postion: vote mderg and dion't get lynched; or don't vote mderg and get lynched. He would vote mderg.
Imagine if he was scum: vote mderg and dion't get lynched; or don't vote mderg and get lynched. He would vote mderg.
Basically it's not a reason to scumread silent.
There is also "Rels and silent defend each other but don't have any interaction with each other" wxhich mean you're still seeing this game through the "Rels might be scum" goggles which is fucking idiotic. But makes you town since mafia would KNOW I'm confirmed town and act like it unless they planned to counterclaim.
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On August 05 2016 05:11 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 05:09 Rels wrote:On August 05 2016 05:01 Skynx wrote:On August 05 2016 04:58 Rels wrote:On August 05 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:On August 05 2016 04:46 Rels wrote:On August 05 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:
Guys Lunatic is not the lynch here...
##Vote: Silentwarrior No, Lunatic is the lynch Okay since you are here, why is silent town? Why you defended him intentionally or unintentionally all game? Take your time. I'm not sure he's town. But all of these are more likely to flip scum than silentwarrior: Lunatic KSC Moosy As to why silent might be town: I can see his thoughts process in all his posts. Everything he says is logical. If you scumread him for activity, please the only other game he played on this website: he also played a low activity game with long posts. He made a huge case on someone just before end of night. That is something a townie is way more likely to do than scum. I've been posting continuously for last hour or so on why silent is mafia and you say I wanna lycch him for activity... The only other reason that I see are "silentwarrior voted mderg for no reason". Imagine if he was town in his postion: vote mderg and dion't get lynched; or don't vote mderg and get lynched. He would vote mderg. Imagine if he was scum: vote mderg and dion't get lynched; or don't vote mderg and get lynched. He would vote mderg. Basically it's not a reason to scumread silent. There is also "Rels and silent defend each other but don't have any interaction with each other" wxhich mean you're still seeing this game through the "Rels might be scum" goggles which is fucking idiotic. But makes you town since mafia would KNOW I'm confirmed town and act like it unless they planned to counterclaim. You post stuff and defend. It was a policy lynch with 2 hours to go. He was here, he just didn't do it.
I don't understand what you are saying
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Well, you didn't erxplain anything. I want to undersatnd what you are saying.
"You post stuff and defend." => I came back before deadline to push mderg and defend silent ?
"It was a policy lynch with 2 hours to go. He was here, he just didn't do it." => If he was town he would have pushed mderg by himself ?
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On August 05 2016 05:22 Skynx wrote:
Ahwell we'll go your way guys, maybe I'm too tunnelled again.
Just type the damn words. Discuss with me please.
silent voting mderg to survive is not scum indicative. Do you have another reason to scumread him ?
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On August 05 2016 05:24 Skynx wrote:
Lemme ask this tho:
If Luna flips red what happens? If Luna flips green what happens?
Not much for me. Apart from confirming town: silent & Celestial are both super likely town if Lunatic flips scum, both for making a huge case on him, silent before it was cool to scumread him, Celestial at a time when it looked like Lunatic was going to get lynched for sure (like right now). These are way less strong if Lunatic flips town, especially the silent case during the night.
All the poeple that were passive about that Lunatic lynch are potential partner if Lunatic flips scum. BTDT in particular, that already talked about potential implication of Lunatic being mafia when I have no idea why he's voting Lunatic in the first place.
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On August 05 2016 05:30 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 05:24 Rels wrote:On August 05 2016 05:22 Skynx wrote:
Ahwell we'll go your way guys, maybe I'm too tunnelled again. Just type the damn words. Discuss with me please. silent voting mderg to survive is not scum indicative. Do you have another reason to scumread him ? I think it is scum indicative, I said why, you said you don't understand to the exact reason i stated.
silent wanted to lynch stutters. He had a few posts pushing this stutters lynch. The lynch was forced to be between him and mderg. He voted mderg by default. Him voting mderg is not alignment indicative because it's better to not get lynched as either alignment.
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On August 05 2016 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Haven't read game. Might do it later
TBF I don't see the game finishing without you being lynched at some point. I should have vigged you.
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Skynx why are you sure Lunatic won't flip scum ?
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On August 05 2016 05:36 Skynx wrote:
Can we shennanie KSC/btdt? You said they have equal chances with Luna, Rels. I'm happy with one of Scott/btdt/KSC.
These 3 lynches are alright BUT Lunatic is more likely to flip scum. So I want a Lunatic lynch.
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On August 05 2016 05:38 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 05:34 Skynx wrote:
Celest who you wanna lynch? Lunatic won't flip scum. I kinda still want to lynch Lunatic but I'm hating the lack of a secondary wagon. I'm wondering if we should just pull the trigger on scott to be honest. His filter is garbage, I'm going to run through it now.
TBF this means nothing 'cause if Lunatic doesn't show up he's the lynch whatever his alignemnt is. So if he's scum he's getting automatically bussed. If he's town mafia just shut up. So no way to differentiate
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On August 05 2016 05:38 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 05:36 Rels wrote:
Skynx why are you sure Lunatic won't flip scum ? Cuz you guys say he changed since last game, thats the only argument. While he hasn't, he's same Lunatic who can't make sense no matter how hard he tries but he just toned down the amount of nonesense and getting scumread off of it. The very nonesense you guys claim that makes him mafia is exact reason why he is town.
I'm not lynching him 'cause he's posting nonsense. On the contrary, I would feel better about his townieness if he showed up screaming and being convinced I was scum or something like that.
BUT he didn't "tone down the amount of nonsense". He straight up didn't post for more than 48 hours. We're talking about the guy that couldn't help but post every minute in the other game. We're talking about the guy that quoted half the posts of the game to comment them. The difference is there.
Is IS possible he got hit by a storm and don't have ionternet or something. BUT setting those IRL possibilities aside, he's scum.
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On August 05 2016 05:46 Skynx wrote:
Goodnight town.
Good night bro.
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AND STOP BEING SO FUCKING BUTTHURT PZLPLZ TYTY
See you tomorrow (=
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All Lunatic has to do is show up and KSC is a goner
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scott and BTDT are nice lynches too
It's beyond my mind that at least one of KSC scott BTDT Lunatic is town. And probably two unless this is the easiest game ever
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On August 05 2016 06:13 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 05:50 Rels wrote:
All Lunatic has to do is show up and KSC is a goner I'm pretty much unlychable this game so it's a bit of an empty threat
This is a super scummy statement.
I have no idea why you would say that as town because it's clearly untrue, as you admitted earlier when you quoted BTDT and say something like "if you're not considering me as a lynch candidate you're scummy".
That's the thing you can say as scum because sometimes as scum you feel like posting nonsense makes you "too scummy to be scum". Which is usually true, it's not possible to differentiate scum bragging and town bragging. But here I have no idea why you would say that as town when it's clearly not the case.
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On August 05 2016 06:28 silentwarrior wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 06:15 KelsierSC wrote:On August 05 2016 05:35 Skynx wrote:On August 05 2016 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Haven't read game. Might do it later Do you actually play mafia at all or just join games to be afk forever and eventually get lynced/nk'd D3 without doing anything? I haven't really needed to play so far. Fuck this. I say we vote for KSL. Whose with me?
It's an option.
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On August 05 2016 06:28 Lunaticman wrote:
Sorry I wasn't around more, I've been working a double shift.
I don't think it is even worth trying to say anything right now that can change anything?
I just find it funny your lynching me out of what is available.
You're caught up ?
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On August 05 2016 06:32 Lunaticman wrote:
And Rels wtf do you really think I'm the mafia?
I'm still working so I don't really have time to say much atm. But without the vig claim I would have gone for a lynch on you 100%. I thought for sure there was a mafia between you and grac. Apperently I was wrong.
But hey so was you right since you killed grac?
I just don't know why I'm getting punished for it.
Have you read the thread ?
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OK let's get rid of KSC
##Vote KSC
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OK that will get solved at some point.
##Unvote
##Vote BTDT
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On August 05 2016 07:07 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 07:05 Rels wrote:
OK that will get solved at some point.
##Unvote
##Vote BTDT Really your going to believe that?
Yes.
More importantly, if he's scum, one of these will happen at some point:
(1) the real doc/vet will die, and we lynch KSC.
(2) the real doc/vet will claim, and we lynch KSC.
So just stop caring about KSC.
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On August 05 2016 07:09 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 07:08 -Celestial- wrote:On August 05 2016 07:07 Lunaticman wrote:On August 05 2016 07:05 Rels wrote:
OK that will get solved at some point.
##Unvote
##Vote BTDT Really your going to believe that? It does kinda align with how he's been so "IDGAF" about the whole game. More to the point do you want to risk lynching an un-ccd blue? Well if I told you I was the medic would you believe me? Either way a blue role would have put in much more effort in the game.
That is 100% wrong. On the contrary. Having an "instant confirmed" button makes it so that you put way less effort into the game.
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On August 05 2016 07:09 silentwarrior wrote:
I say we wait for counterclaim, still got about 50 min. If nothing happens we should change our votes back to Lunatic. But KSC seriosly fucked us this game, esp with if he really is veteran.
I also disagree with this. If he's really vet then that is pretty cool. Better him than someone townier.
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On August 05 2016 07:11 -Celestial- wrote:
We're probably better off on another train than Lunatic. I mean we've started shenanies, might as well go through with it.
Rels wants a BTDT lynch. I'm okay with that. Though I'd prefer a scott lynch. But eh.
scott has the IRL excuse for being super useless. BTDT has not.
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On August 05 2016 07:14 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 07:10 Rels wrote:On August 05 2016 07:09 Lunaticman wrote:On August 05 2016 07:08 -Celestial- wrote:On August 05 2016 07:07 Lunaticman wrote:On August 05 2016 07:05 Rels wrote:
OK that will get solved at some point.
##Unvote
##Vote BTDT Really your going to believe that? It does kinda align with how he's been so "IDGAF" about the whole game. More to the point do you want to risk lynching an un-ccd blue? Well if I told you I was the medic would you believe me? Either way a blue role would have put in much more effort in the game. That is 100% wrong. On the contrary. Having an "instant confirmed" button makes it so that you put way less effort into the game. I 100% disagree, that is personal preference at best. The only thing Ill give him is that he has been trying to make the vig waste his shot on him by being super scummy. I have no idea how that actually helps the town solve the game. Look at his filter for gods sake. And what did he actually contribute with after claiming? "L8"
so what
The goal of the game is to lynch SCUM not baddies
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silent becoming confirmed town too
this is nice
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and by that I mean that he looks super upset about KSC wasting his claim, which is pretty townie
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Alright
##Unvote
##Vote KSC
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Well this is done.
Never moving off KSC.
Going to sleep soon then.
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On August 05 2016 07:23 -Celestial- wrote:
Surface level thinking is that team is KSC/BTDT +1 but that's in the absence of any more filtering which I'll have to do tomorrow.
This is where I am at too.
Moosy is my guess for third.
scott/JRoc are also possibilites I suppose.
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Anybody switching off KSC is claiming scum.
Anybody voting Lunatic is claiming scum.
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On August 05 2016 07:29 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 07:27 Shapelog wrote:On August 05 2016 07:12 silentwarrior wrote:
Is KelsierSC going to recieve any punishment for his complete lack of activity and general apathy towards this game? I feel it is only right that he does, he displayed zero interest in this game and has seriosly but a damper in it. He has technically made the activity requirements, and "general apathy towards the game" isn't against the rules. I understand what you are talking about, and sometimes wish hosts could. but I cannot MK him for doing nothing against the technical rules of the game. However, if he was to die, he will like everyone else, be removed from the game. I wish I could say more on the matter, but I trying not to influence you/give away things/plays. Then you probably shouldn't make this post in the middle of the game 30 minutes before the deadline.
That's why you don't comment host stuff in the middle of the game.
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BTDT is also super likely scum by what happen just there. I mean, he was likely scum before, but even more now.
When KSC claimed I started pushing BTDT, THEN Luna counterclaimed. If BTDT was town Luna could have gone with the ride and just lynch BTDT without counterclaiming.
Then the last one is one of scott / Moosy. Probably. Some tinfoil on some other people but we don't have tyhe lynches to decide since one mislynch and game is over.
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silent was also mod confirmed town by Shape.
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Celestial is almost confirmed town for making such a lengthy post against Lunatic when it didn't serve any purpose.
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Since I suppose I'm gonna be killed I'm gonna post my last will right now:
Luna / BTDT should be auto. That sucks. Keep talking if you can about stuff.
I just remembered that Luna came back voting scott. Then tried to lynch KSC. This is a town indicator for scott, given that Luna was looking for a lynch other than him. We have to take chances this game, and I think we can take the gamble that scott is town. It is very possible.
Never lynch silent. Maybe never lynch Celestial.
Skynx I'm less sure about. But probably town.
So last scum is likely among Moosy / J Roc. Maybe I lied and I will read their filters tomorrow. Maybe not. I would lynch Luna / BTDT / Moosy right now. Moosy is actually playing very, very close to his scum meta from a recent game of his. I'll do a post about it tomorrow if I have the time.
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On August 05 2016 08:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I know you love seeing me on tilt especially since I've ruined so many games for you when I was randomly blue but maybe you're just wrong after literally all these games all the time?
It's a win/win for me to scumread you.
If you're scum I'm just better than you.
If you're town you're just so bad.
EZ (=
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I want to post but I don't want to be banned forever
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On August 05 2016 08:23 Rels wrote:
Since I suppose I'm gonna be killed I'm gonna post my last will right now:
Luna / BTDT should be auto. That sucks. Keep talking if you can about stuff.
I just remembered that Luna came back voting scott. Then tried to lynch KSC. This is a town indicator for scott, given that Luna was looking for a lynch other than him. We have to take chances this game, and I think we can take the gamble that scott is town. It is very possible.
Never lynch silent. Maybe never lynch Celestial.
Skynx I'm less sure about. But probably town.
So last scum is likely among Moosy / J Roc. Maybe I lied and I will read their filters tomorrow. Maybe not. I would lynch Luna / BTDT / Moosy right now. Moosy is actually playing very, very close to his scum meta from a recent game of his. I'll do a post about it tomorrow if I have the time.
I want to brag but I don't want to be banned forever
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On August 10 2016 06:34 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2016 06:32 Rels wrote:
I want to post but I don't want to be banned forever Requesting a 10 game ban for rels for posting in a on going game.
Requesting a 3 games ban for Onegu for smurfslipping 3 times.
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On August 10 2016 06:48 beentheredonethat wrote:We will be in the Hospital for the next few days. She Hit her head hard when she slipped and fell in swimming hall. Shes not in danger. Thanks for the kind thoughts and words. Sorry
That's something at least. Hope she gets better quickly
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Since it's a newbie game, here is a little bit of coaching time. During late D2 / N2 I thought BTDT was auto-mafia and here is why.
During D2 before the last 1h30, Lunatic was looking to be the lynch 100%. So of course he's gonna get bussed. That means it was a good opportunity to see how people reacted to that lynch.
People that took the time to think about stuff instead of being sheeps were likely town: silent, Celestial, Skynx.
People that were kinda useless and just sheeped were potential scum: JRoc, Moosy, scott.
People that wrote that post was 95% scum:
On August 05 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote:
Having read your post, I find it highly interesting that you get me into a connection with Lunatic, given that I voted him D1 and didnt stop to bring him up to people's conciousness again and again.
Youre relucting to vote Lunatic or at least I take that from your wording. Why? Also, I feel like youre wrong on scott, he's in my town circle. He's fairly actice, pushy, and I can see where most of his reads come from.
I actually let go of my town lean of you. If Lunatic flips red, I can easily see you bussing here to gain towncred. I am also a bit paranoid about a scott, you and lunatic team but for now the only reason to add Scott to that list is the pterequisite that you are scum, so its highly associative.
Makes sense though. I am still having headaches from MoosyDoosy, too. But yeah.
This day should end with a Lunatic lynch. If Kelsier survives the night, He should be the lynch next day. We'll most likely loose Rels as uncced vig though so Kelsier surviving should be NAI... but yeah hes not contributing at all although he WAS in the thread.
BTDT didn't try to find any reason for Lunatic to be scum during D2; but he's voting him and is already treating Lunatic as super likely to flip scum + drawing teams about that fact.
To expand, here is what BTDT could do in this position:
Town motivated: Looking ot see IF Lunatic is really scum (like silent / Celestial / me) OR try to find people more likely to flip scum than Lunatic (like Skynx).
Scum motivated: See the Lunatic's scum flip as unstoppable and prepare the post-lynch by drawing associations with other people.
BTDT did the scum motivated thing here.
I should have explained it better before getting killed but seeing as everybody was scumreading BTDT when I was still alive, I did not think it was necessary. Should have done that. We definitely would have lost without that Moosy modkill, and even with it it would have been a close game.
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On August 10 2016 22:21 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2016 21:17 Skynx wrote:
One small note before I forget.
Kelsier, what you do is literally 100 times worse than whatever tactics sl or moosy employ d1 on regular basis. You just straight up don't play the game as a tactic I suppose (?) then come back to claim if you are actually blue/vote yourself or anything along that kind of bullshit. You did this in both games I played with you, you just declare your disinterest in the game and say you won't post at all.
You ignore the spirit of competition and outright disrespect everyone else who put time and effort into the game. I don't even know why you sign up to games. If you have any motivation other than to ruin the game for everyone else please tell so we can judge you based on that.
Until then, go fuck yourself. Just some constructive criticism here, I realise I had perfect information so take this as you will. We can all agree that KSC's play didn't support his claim - veteran SHOULD be trying to draw the shot and veteran is the easiest claim to make as mafia. Fine. Town also failed to fully evaluate Luna's motivation to claim when the vote was 6:1 and you had two mislynches left with no mafia flipped and a tonne of other evidence with Luna. Edit: I can understand those players already townreading Luna to just hop on to KSC without any further evaluation, this is in reference to those who weren't sure/scumreading both. The big thing I told Luna in QT was that when he claimed he didn't out with the n1 save, which for most experienced players is a huge scum tell/indicator of a fakeclaim, and in pure irony it was teammate Moosy that inquired about the save. Luna entirely played to survive but he had to otherwise he was going down 1 for 0. To be fair what KSC said in his defence didn't help him at all but at the very worst proper claim analysis on both players and holding people accountable for the decision making would have also helped in the event of a mislynch. When KSC dropped his last reads prior to death (usually a town tell, but not exclusively), I was STILL waiting for someone to freak out thinking "wait that's similar to mine..." and switch back to Luna. It is easier to preserve the guy being present but it is a tendency for people to ignore the reasons for being present or absent, or whether they are alignment indicative. It happens quite often, just saying. TLDR: Proper claim analysis (evaluating both players) could have resulted in a correct lynch or more information for town after the mislynch.
I disagree with the conclusion. KSC was the right lynch there. His play showed a willingness to be killed without disclosing any info to the town => scum indicative + the opposite of how a vet should play.
Luna WAS pretty scummy, and people picked on him: Grack D1, silent N1, me D2. He would have been 100% the lynch if KSC play wasn't so bad.
On the other hand I agree with the general tips in your post. Mafia will almost always claim in Lunatic's position, and town should consider claims with care. I just think that in this game KSC lynch was the right one IMO.
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Thanks for the detailed write up Shape. I love when people do that, but more important than my feelings about it, it is a great way for every players and observers of the game to take a step back, think about what you've just said, and improve as a player.
Thanks to kita and you for hosting too.
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I think you nailed everything too. Town had bad activity and not-so-good town atmosphere. Celestial Skynx and silentwarrior had good games and a lot of good posts each though, but it's difficult to distinguate lurker from scum when nobody is talking besides them.
BTDT's bussing was pretty obvious if you knew he could do that (in his only other game on this website he was scum in a all newbie scum team and was the only one that tried to bus) but his tryharding starting D3 was pretty good, more than good enough to get almost anyone lynched before him. Again though, if anyone had read his previous game, he would have known it didn't make him town necessarily. In that previous game, the dude was CONFIRMED scum by mechanics, and still tryharded like crazy trying to get someone else lynch. It went to the point that a lot of people started to have doubts, even though he was confirmed scum via the setup.
BTDT, seeing the level of tryhardness you're able to invoke as scum, I look forward playing with town!you.
Moosy was kinda unreadable without meta but with meta he was likely scum. I think objectively he had an OK scum game before his modkill.
Luna is a hard case. Objectively he played a good scum game. BUT it was just sooo different from the game he just played that he was pretty obvious scum, and I'm not talking only about activity. His town game is just so fluid and erratic and obviously town that it's hard to reproduce. Kinda Koshi style.
I look forward for your other big write ups. (=
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On August 11 2016 17:21 disformation wrote:
yo rels your shot on grack was so anti-town i wss convinced you were scum fake claiming, unzil cele explained why this wozld be the worst scum play ever
I had to shoot him. He duelled me. PEW PEW
I agree it was an objectively bad shot BUT I would have shot silent if not Grack. And silent went on to become super townie during D2, then modconfirmed just before deadline. So it's probably better I murdered Grack than shot a guy that would become a confirmed town later.
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On August 11 2016 17:27 Skynx wrote:
Were you 1-shot?
Yeah
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On August 11 2016 17:36 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 17:24 Rels wrote:On August 11 2016 17:21 disformation wrote:
yo rels your shot on grack was so anti-town i wss convinced you were scum fake claiming, unzil cele explained why this wozld be the worst scum play ever I had to shoot him. He duelled me. PEW PEW I agree it was an objectively bad shot BUT I would have shot silent if not Grack. And silent went on to become super townie during D2, then modconfirmed just before deadline. So it's probably better I murdered Grack than shot a guy that would become a confirmed town later. To be fair, if you didn't do that I would have gotten both of you killed. I had it setup that way, your early claim when I was AFK saved you because I couldn't CC like I wanted to in case either of you or Grac was a blue role. I just didn't suspect that you would shot him or vice verse if that was the case. So you kinda ruined my plan.
Bro it's good to be confident but I would have never been lynched over you. Never. It would have been a mistake to CC me.
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I played laid back D1 because I was vig, so I would be confirmed town D2 and I didn't want to risk being killed + roleblocked N1 by being super townie. So that's why people could scumread me. After N1 ended I was unlynchable.
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On August 11 2016 18:35 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 17:52 Rels wrote:
I played laid back D1 because I was vig, so I would be confirmed town D2 and I didn't want to risk being killed + roleblocked N1 by being super townie. So that's why people could scumread me. After N1 ended I was unlynchable. My point being, that if you were a VT, I would have gotten you killed easy. Don't overestimate your power. The whole Grac/Rels thing would have been super easy to pin a mafia between the two of you. The only way for you to survive a misslynch was to do what you did.
The point is that I wouldn't have AFKd 46 hours of D1 if I was VT. But even if I did that, I disagree that lynching me was going to be an easy thing to do, especially since you didn't have time D2.
You're going about this the wrong way about this: just because people thought Grack and I were super scummy during D1 doesn't mean that one of us was going to be the lynch D2 (assuming we were both VT and alive D2). A mafia game just doesn't work like that. As scum, you shouldn't be stuck on one path to victory. It's an easy (and normal) mistake to make.
Imagine if Grack and I became super townie D2. The mistake you could have made, seeing your posts, if that you continue to tunnel the both of us all day, showing a scum mentality: townies look for scum and WILL re evaluate a lot over the course of the game; it's almost impossible for a townie to be 100% right D1/N1. Scum have a tendency to think a lot more about who they want to push, decide who is the perfect lynch, and get stuck with their reads. It's a mistake a lot of newbies (and vet actually) scum make.
So no, just because you had killer cases on Grack / I N1 doesn't mean you would have mislynched the both of us starting D2. It's possible that you would have made it work; but it's also possible that you would become obvious scum incapable of re evaluating in the face of new evidences.
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On August 12 2016 15:21 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 19:25 Rels wrote:On August 11 2016 18:35 Lunaticman wrote:On August 11 2016 17:52 Rels wrote:
I played laid back D1 because I was vig, so I would be confirmed town D2 and I didn't want to risk being killed + roleblocked N1 by being super townie. So that's why people could scumread me. After N1 ended I was unlynchable. My point being, that if you were a VT, I would have gotten you killed easy. Don't overestimate your power. The whole Grac/Rels thing would have been super easy to pin a mafia between the two of you. The only way for you to survive a misslynch was to do what you did. The point is that I wouldn't have AFKd 46 hours of D1 if I was VT. But even if I did that, I disagree that lynching me was going to be an easy thing to do, especially since you didn't have time D2. You're going about this the wrong way about this: just because people thought Grack and I were super scummy during D1 doesn't mean that one of us was going to be the lynch D2 (assuming we were both VT and alive D2). A mafia game just doesn't work like that. As scum, you shouldn't be stuck on one path to victory. It's an easy (and normal) mistake to make. Imagine if Grack and I became super townie D2. The mistake you could have made, seeing your posts, if that you continue to tunnel the both of us all day, showing a scum mentality: townies look for scum and WILL re evaluate a lot over the course of the game; it's almost impossible for a townie to be 100% right D1/N1. Scum have a tendency to think a lot more about who they want to push, decide who is the perfect lynch, and get stuck with their reads. It's a mistake a lot of newbies (and vet actually) scum make. So no, just because you had killer cases on Grack / I N1 doesn't mean you would have mislynched the both of us starting D2. It's possible that you would have made it work; but it's also possible that you would become obvious scum incapable of re evaluating in the face of new evidences. I agree with you, Im just very confident I would have suceeded. well I didnt have time to do it then either way so your also correct in that regard. But I would have liked to try!
Let's battle in a next game then (=
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