Newbie Student Mafia XXII

On July 29 2016 00:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
uggh whatever, let's do it.

/in

I'll remain sane this game because it's a newbie game. Next vet game and every vet game I'm in though I'll make it a point to be super crazy.

On July 29 2016 11:04 -Celestial- wrote:
My god its only just hit me just how long its been since I played. And that's only because I noticed Rels in this game. I remember co-hosting in his first game last year, and I only played one game after that co-host. X-D

I really ought to get around here more often. Keep getting distracted by things.

On August 02 2016 05:04 Grackaroni wrote:
Rels my reads suck. Please help lol.

On August 02 2016 05:05 scott31337 wrote:


It's alive!

What's going on? Show us some magic!

On August 01 2016 07:30 scott31337 wrote:
KelsierSC Mderg Stutters and BTDT

On August 02 2016 05:41 Skynx wrote:

Technically yes. Rels came back sure and i actually realised something from his second post. Plynches are sometimes the way to go but this might now be one.
One plynch made 0 posts prior to that opinion, other made couple stating his opinion, thats about it.

On August 02 2016 05:44 Skynx wrote:
Well since i gotta go bed tone based updates:

Rels, Scott, stutters are town. Also not feeling like plynch as per stutters point so silent gets a pass. Grack is very very slightly above btdt for me.

Mderg or btdt.

On August 02 2016 05:51 Skynx wrote:


When someone puts you in a trio as possible scum, this is just not the reaction you give. I feel like its very genuine and game solving kimd of mindset. If he's the scum in the trio then i dont think he'd post something like this, he'd just prolly shut up.

On August 02 2016 06:03 mderg wrote:

what makes you think so?

On August 01 2016 02:53 mderg wrote:
I guess this replacement prevents the plynch discussion that I hoped would give us some information...

On August 01 2016 00:04 mderg wrote:
Based on the last page I'd say we policy lynch Race Bannon. It will just get more and more obnoxious, if he continues to post like this. So I simply want to get this out of the way.

##vote Race Bannon

On August 02 2016 04:32 mderg wrote:

Now that you mention it, silent is someone I could get behind lynching today. Didn't like his opening and he didn't do anything since then.

On August 01 2016 17:25 mderg wrote:
Thoughts on scott: a bit superficial and I absolutely disagree with his thoughts on silent. Don't like him too much for now.

On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote:

Race Bannon simply posted gibberish which is obnoxious and annoying but not really alignment indicative.

scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated.
His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post.

On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote:

The scumread itself is not my issue with scott. I'll try to explain it again.

btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial.
Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody.
He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town".

That's just way too superficial for me. There's no effort to really figure people out in there, just focusing on single posts with imo very little value. It's like he's following a simple line of seeing a obviouslybad post -> seeing people calling those posts out -> townreading those people. I'd expect a townie to put a bit more thought into it than that.

On August 02 2016 06:24 mderg wrote:

I never said that I started some policy lynch discussion so we could get some information out of it. I was just a bit disappointed that pretty much the only ting that actually got people to do stuff was shut off because of the replacement. No ulterior motive, just some disappointment.

The "Now that you mention it" was more of a "Oh, I've forgot he is actually a possible lynch target".

Why did I call scott's reasoning superficial? Because it was superficial.

On August 02 2016 06:30 Grackaroni wrote:
I would be down with lynching Mderg.

On August 02 2016 06:33 J Roc wrote:
I'm not lynching mderg. I agree with a lot of his reads.

On August 02 2016 06:35 -Celestial- wrote:
I'm kinda open to being convinced on mderg honestly. I don't like the silent vote as much as I did before his last post (though his silence through this game has been deafening). And if I shift I think that switches the vote off scott, who I really don't want to see lynched D1. And I don't think its likely other trains will get going at this point unless someone picks up on something really blatant.

Can anyone provide a concise, clear, convincing argument to switch right now?

On August 02 2016 07:05 silentwarrior wrote:
Rels, what's your take on stutters and my case about him? I read yours on mderg and agree with most of what you wrote, but Stutter's is so blatantly mafia. Also, can others also comment on it?

On August 02 2016 06:44 Stutters695 wrote:


This post makes me much more in favor of a silent lynch over mderg now that I've read his filter

On August 02 2016 06:48 Stutters695 wrote:

Out of curiosity, what did you see in his post that makes you less sure?

Before he was a plynch essentially, now he's someone I actively want to lynch.

On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote:
And thats about it I guess.

Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.

Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.

Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while.

I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train.

On August 02 2016 22:35 J Roc wrote:



Actuall thoughts?

On August 03 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:

What is suspicious to me is that you are portraying people as scummy based on their votes, when none of the votes looked like changes to save a scum buddy, as Celestial/Stutters believe. Regardless of alignment:

Scott was going to vote Mderg because that was his top scum read.

I was going to sheep you because my reads "sucked."

Silent was going to vote to save himself because he was the alternative lynch.

I can understand why other people believe that the counterwagon is mafia, because they were already suspicious of the people there in the first place. I can't understand why you would copy this vote count reasoning as town if you are actually analyzing the game.

On August 03 2016 02:35 Grackaroni wrote:

Yeah that's the one. You're basing your reads off the vote and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. J'accuse!

On August 03 2016 02:49 Grackaroni wrote:

But it was not just one list with my name on it. It was a list with everybody who voted Mderg in red.

Therefore,

On August 03 2016 02:58 Grackaroni wrote:

I have higher expectations from you.

On August 03 2016 01:59 Grackaroni wrote:
If I have not made my post clearly enough here is my issue:

Celestial believed that me/Silent were mafia from the beginning and sees confirmation of it in the end of the day vote.

Stutters believed that I was mafia during the day and sees confirmation of it in the end of the day and comes to the conclusion that Silent and I are mafia.

Both of these make sense.

Rels on the other hand was suspecting KSC/BTDT and was not suspecting me or silent or Scott. None of the votes on the Mderg wagon seem scum motivated. There's no reason for Rels to buy into Celestial/Stutters' theory without already believing that one of us is mafia. As town I would expect Rels to ignore the wagons completely from his prior reads.

On August 03 2016 03:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hi Rels, who do you think is scum and why. Also your thoughts on what me, Celestial, and Stutters posted.

On August 03 2016 03:17 Grackaroni wrote:

My argument is that day one you seemed to be reading the game in a similar way that I was. Day 2 you moved with the thread sentiment for what looks like reasons that I don't believe you would actually read as scum indicative. (being on the mderg lynch)

On August 02 2016 08:44 Grackaroni wrote:
Well, I'm just going to take tomorrow off. I'm sick of looking at this game. Night kill will in all likelihood be between Celestial and Rels, possibly stutters. Doctor should choose between one of them. See ya next phase.

On August 02 2016 08:44 Grackaroni wrote:
When I come back my reads will likely be entirely different.

On August 03 2016 03:41 Grackaroni wrote:
I will not yield, Rels. Oh no, no, no! A fight through the day there shall be!

On August 03 2016 04:01 Stutters695 wrote:
Rels, what do you make of my case on Grack? Weird that you don't even mention that.

On August 03 2016 03:41 Grackaroni wrote:
I will not yield, Rels. Oh no, no, no! A fight through the day there shall be!

On August 03 2016 17:13 Skynx wrote:
Nice shit, after like 4 people saying how vigclaim is not the play here

On August 03 2016 17:13 Skynx wrote:
Nice shit, after like 4 people saying how vigclaim is not the play here

On August 03 2016 07:55 silentwarrior wrote:
I believe Lunatic is Mafia. Here is why:

Lunatic started of the game with saying he think Race was town for his excesive posting. But when Grack said the same thing he says "I don't know how you came to that conclusion" and says it's an easy way to get town points. But Lunatic literally did the same thing 4 posts before.:










He also says he dosen't want to post a lot because apparently in another game that ticked people off. That is a huge red flag for me. I don't think anyone would not want someone to post a lot. He says he will cutdown posting for that reason.






At that point he had done no analyzing or contributed in the slightest. He then attacks KSC in what can only be desribed as an easy way to get town points. He states that KSC went back on his word, even though he did no such thing and puts words in his mouth. He basically tries to make a case out of nothing.




When celestial comes in with his big post he becomes his no:1 fanboy and basically tries his best at buddying up with him. The following post is nothing but licking celestials boot.



Also, he says he cant trust Grac here:



But just a few posts after he calls him town after his skepticism isn't shared by skynx.

He then goes back on his word twice on grack in one post. He says he thinks he is probably town but will "wait and see". Basically not wanting to take a stance at all and keeping his options open, very scumlike.



He then puts his vote on Rels, who was still inactive at that point. He was probably the easiest vote seeing as he was inactive. No one would even think twice about it, not even rels.

After that he goes on to say that rels should accept resposibility for mislynching mderg, which makes no sense. Mderg was honestly acting scummy, and having mislynched someone obv don't make you mafia.

Also, now that some of the thread have moved against Grac, he flips again from previous position and calls grac scummy.

To me all this points that Lunatic is Mafia.

On August 03 2016 20:00 Skynx wrote:

I've been thinking about it and I think this is a really scummy reaction. If you're actually vigi, claiming before next EoN would make your claim undeniable, not right now.
What is pushing the "right" part in your opinion here? Grack flipped green so it clears Silent? You are confirmed town so only lynch now is Scott?

On August 03 2016 20:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, do u have a delicious role breadcrumb or nah

On August 04 2016 00:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:

you're slipping mahn.

On August 04 2016 00:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, how are you enjoying the totally suave and totally reasonable Moosy?

On August 04 2016 22:39 KelsierSC wrote:


Anyone calling me low hanging fruit or reluctant to lynch me is fairly suspicous at this point

On August 05 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote:
Youre relucting to vote Lunatic or at least I take that from your wording. Why? Also, I feel like youre wrong on scott, he's in my town circle. He's fairly actice, pushy, and I can see where most of his reads come from.

I actually let go of my town lean of you. If Lunatic flips red, I can easily see you bussing here to gain towncred. I am also a bit paranoid about a scott, you and lunatic team but for now the only reason to add Scott to that list is the pterequisite that you are scum, so its highly associative.

On August 05 2016 03:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Hey man, I'm pretty sure you're town so all is well. Just give brief thoughts on lunatic/btdt/anyone else scummy 4u and vote one of them but preferably on lunatic/btdt unless u notice something big.

On August 05 2016 03:16 beentheredonethat wrote:

Thats why I said highly associative. If lunatic plus celestial are scum, I can see Scott scum. Last sentence of my post says "only reason to put him on that List", thought that makes my stance clear.

On August 05 2016 04:20 Skynx wrote:
Rels can be confirmed for now I guess, I would still go back and read his interactions with Grack pre night flip tho.

On August 05 2016 04:18 beentheredonethat wrote:

Lunatic. Celestial in my paranoid world.

On August 05 2016 04:32 Skynx wrote:

Or he took lessons from last game.

On August 05 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:
Guys Lunatic is not the lynch here...

##Vote: Silentwarrior

On August 05 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:

Okay since you are here, why is silent town? Why you defended him intentionally or unintentionally all game?
Take your time.

On August 05 2016 05:01 Skynx wrote:

I've been posting continuously for last hour or so on why silent is mafia and you say I wanna lycch him for activity...

On August 05 2016 05:11 Skynx wrote:

You post stuff and defend. It was a policy lynch with 2 hours to go. He was here, he just didn't do it.

On August 05 2016 05:22 Skynx wrote:
Ahwell we'll go your way guys, maybe I'm too tunnelled again.

On August 05 2016 05:24 Skynx wrote:
Lemme ask this tho:
If Luna flips red what happens? If Luna flips green what happens?

On August 05 2016 05:30 Skynx wrote:

I think it is scum indicative, I said why, you said you don't understand to the exact reason i stated.

On August 05 2016 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Haven't read game. Might do it later

On August 05 2016 05:36 Skynx wrote:
Can we shennanie KSC/btdt? You said they have equal chances with Luna, Rels. I'm happy with one of Scott/btdt/KSC.

On August 05 2016 05:38 -Celestial- wrote:


I kinda still want to lynch Lunatic but I'm hating the lack of a secondary wagon.

I'm wondering if we should just pull the trigger on scott to be honest. His filter is garbage, I'm going to run through it now.

On August 05 2016 05:38 Skynx wrote:

Cuz you guys say he changed since last game, thats the only argument. While he hasn't, he's same Lunatic who can't make sense no matter how hard he tries but he just toned down the amount of nonesense and getting scumread off of it.
The very nonesense you guys claim that makes him mafia is exact reason why he is town.

On August 05 2016 05:46 Skynx wrote:
Goodnight town.

On August 05 2016 06:13 KelsierSC wrote:


I'm pretty much unlychable this game so it's a bit of an empty threat

On August 05 2016 06:28 silentwarrior wrote:

Fuck this. I say we vote for KSL. Whose with me?

On August 05 2016 06:28 Lunaticman wrote:
Sorry I wasn't around more, I've been working a double shift.

I don't think it is even worth trying to say anything right now that can change anything?

I just find it funny your lynching me out of what is available.

On August 05 2016 06:32 Lunaticman wrote:
And Rels wtf do you really think I'm the mafia?

I'm still working so I don't really have time to say much atm. But without the vig claim I would have gone for a lynch on you 100%. I thought for sure there was a mafia between you and grac. Apperently I was wrong.

But hey so was you right since you killed grac?

I just don't know why I'm getting punished for it.

On August 05 2016 07:07 Lunaticman wrote:


Really your going to believe that?

On August 05 2016 07:09 Lunaticman wrote:


Well if I told you I was the medic would you believe me?

Either way a blue role would have put in much more effort in the game.

On August 05 2016 07:09 silentwarrior wrote:
I say we wait for counterclaim, still got about 50 min. If nothing happens we should change our votes back to Lunatic. But KSC seriosly fucked us this game, esp with if he really is veteran.

On August 05 2016 07:11 -Celestial- wrote:
We're probably better off on another train than Lunatic. I mean we've started shenanies, might as well go through with it.

Rels wants a BTDT lynch. I'm okay with that. Though I'd prefer a scott lynch. But eh.

On August 05 2016 07:14 Lunaticman wrote:


I 100% disagree, that is personal preference at best. The only thing Ill give him is that he has been trying to make the vig waste his shot on him by being super scummy. I have no idea how that actually helps the town solve the game. Look at his filter for gods sake.

And what did he actually contribute with after claiming?

"L8"

On August 05 2016 07:23 -Celestial- wrote:
Surface level thinking is that team is KSC/BTDT +1 but that's in the absence of any more filtering which I'll have to do tomorrow.

On August 05 2016 07:29 KelsierSC wrote:


Then you probably shouldn't make this post in the middle of the game 30 minutes before the deadline.

On August 05 2016 08:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I know you love seeing me on tilt especially since I've ruined so many games for you when I was randomly blue but maybe you're just wrong after literally all these games all the time?

On August 05 2016 08:23 Rels wrote:
Since I suppose I'm gonna be killed I'm gonna post my last will right now:
Luna / BTDT should be auto. That sucks. Keep talking if you can about stuff.
I just remembered that Luna came back voting scott. Then tried to lynch KSC. This is a town indicator for scott, given that Luna was looking for a lynch other than him. We have to take chances this game, and I think we can take the gamble that scott is town. It is very possible.

Never lynch silent. Maybe never lynch Celestial.
Skynx I'm less sure about. But probably town.

So last scum is likely among Moosy / J Roc. Maybe I lied and I will read their filters tomorrow. Maybe not. I would lynch Luna / BTDT / Moosy right now. Moosy is actually playing very, very close to his scum meta from a recent game of his. I'll do a post about it tomorrow if I have the time.

On August 10 2016 06:34 Onegu wrote:




Requesting a 10 game ban for rels for posting in a on going game.

On August 10 2016 06:48 beentheredonethat wrote:
We will be in the Hospital for the next few days. She Hit her head hard when she slipped and fell in swimming hall. Shes not in danger. Thanks for the kind thoughts and words. Sorry

On August 05 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote:
Having read your post, I find it highly interesting that you get me into a connection with Lunatic, given that I voted him D1 and didnt stop to bring him up to people's conciousness again and again.

Youre relucting to vote Lunatic or at least I take that from your wording. Why? Also, I feel like youre wrong on scott, he's in my town circle. He's fairly actice, pushy, and I can see where most of his reads come from.

I actually let go of my town lean of you. If Lunatic flips red, I can easily see you bussing here to gain towncred. I am also a bit paranoid about a scott, you and lunatic team but for now the only reason to add Scott to that list is the pterequisite that you are scum, so its highly associative.

Makes sense though. I am still having headaches from MoosyDoosy, too. But yeah.

This day should end with a Lunatic lynch. If Kelsier survives the night, He should be the lynch next day. We'll most likely loose Rels as uncced vig though so Kelsier surviving should be NAI... but yeah hes not contributing at all although he WAS in the thread.

On August 10 2016 22:21 Half the Sky wrote:


Just some constructive criticism here, I realise I had perfect information so take this as you will.

We can all agree that KSC's play didn't support his claim - veteran SHOULD be trying to draw the shot and veteran is the easiest claim to make as mafia.

Fine.

Town also failed to fully evaluate Luna's motivation to claim when the vote was 6:1 and you had two mislynches left with no mafia flipped and a tonne of other evidence with Luna.

Edit: I can understand those players already townreading Luna to just hop on to KSC without any further evaluation, this is in reference to those who weren't sure/scumreading both.

The big thing I told Luna in QT was that when he claimed he didn't out with the n1 save, which for most experienced players is a huge scum tell/indicator of a fakeclaim, and in pure irony it was teammate Moosy that inquired about the save.

Luna entirely played to survive but he had to otherwise he was going down 1 for 0.

To be fair what KSC said in his defence didn't help him at all but at the very worst proper claim analysis on both players and holding people accountable for the decision making would have also helped in the event of a mislynch.

When KSC dropped his last reads prior to death (usually a town tell, but not exclusively), I was STILL waiting for someone to freak out thinking "wait that's similar to mine..." and switch back to Luna.

It is easier to preserve the guy being present but it is a tendency for people to ignore the reasons for being present or absent, or whether they are alignment indicative. It happens quite often, just saying.

TLDR: Proper claim analysis (evaluating both players) could have resulted in a correct lynch or more information for town after the mislynch.

On August 11 2016 17:21 disformation wrote:
yo rels your shot on grack was so anti-town i wss convinced you were scum fake claiming, unzil cele explained why this wozld be the worst scum play ever

On August 11 2016 17:27 Skynx wrote:
Were you 1-shot?

On August 11 2016 17:36 Lunaticman wrote:


To be fair, if you didn't do that I would have gotten both of you killed. I had it setup that way, your early claim when I was AFK saved you because I couldn't CC like I wanted to in case either of you or Grac was a blue role.

I just didn't suspect that you would shot him or vice verse if that was the case. So you kinda ruined my plan.

On August 11 2016 18:35 Lunaticman wrote:


My point being, that if you were a VT, I would have gotten you killed easy. Don't overestimate your power. The whole Grac/Rels thing would have been super easy to pin a mafia between the two of you.

The only way for you to survive a misslynch was to do what you did.

On August 12 2016 15:21 Lunaticman wrote:


I agree with you, Im just very confident I would have suceeded. well I didnt have time to do it then either way so your also correct in that regard. But I would have liked to try!