Who needs 72 hours anyway! [M][T]

On July 20 2016 19:29 Skynx wrote:
Welcome back Lunaticman, you follow Swedish house scene by chance?

On July 20 2016 19:36 Rels wrote:
www.quicktopic.com
Reasons
I have them

On July 20 2016 19:40 Rels wrote:

No.
How much IRL mafia did you play ?

On July 20 2016 19:41 Skynx wrote:

I should've been more specific I'm a mad fan of Eric Prydz and Jeremy Olander both make progressive house and some techno. Avicii is quite the antithesis but I guess they must sound similar from a total unfamiliar perspective.

On July 20 2016 19:44 Rels wrote:

I see you're trying to get me banned!

On July 20 2016 19:47 Rels wrote:
Something needs to be said right now.
We won't ever use the majority vote to end the day early. Barring things like a red check or a fakeclaim ofc.
Longer day is almost always a good thing. More time to solve the game, more time to hear what lynch candidates have to say, no risk of snap lynching a scummy townie that is just AFK.
If you're against that speak now then STFU forever.

On July 20 2016 19:49 Rels wrote:

How did you play as scum ?

On July 20 2016 19:58 Rels wrote:

Why would revealing more about yourself would "spoil the fun" ?

I am an active player as either alignment. As town I have the most success finding scum by finding inconsistency in what they say. As scum I try to replicate that to destroy lynchbait.

On July 20 2016 20:26 Skynx wrote:
emperor sounds scummy without even saying a word.

On July 20 2016 20:32 Grackaroni wrote:
From my experience day 1 lynch usually lands on somebody largely inactive.

On July 20 2016 21:10 Grackaroni wrote:
What kind of mistakes do you usually make as mafia?

On July 20 2016 21:43 Koshi wrote:

We might become friends. Or arch enemies. Lately I am making more of the latter.

On July 20 2016 21:42 Grackaroni wrote:
The storm has arrived.

On July 20 2016 21:44 Grackaroni wrote:

I'm pretty confident you're town.

On July 20 2016 21:49 Koshi wrote:

It's a joke based on your post and me posting.

On July 20 2016 21:55 emperorchampion wrote:
heyguysthisisemperorchampiontimetorecordanothermafiagame andthistimeit'samafiagameondamdyhost soo welldoa4pool

On July 20 2016 21:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Just because you're an extremely eager new player. I'm pretty doubtful you would play like this as mafia.

On July 20 2016 21:59 emperorchampion wrote:


This man is town for sure!

On July 20 2016 22:00 Skynx wrote:

No, I'm doing internship and they barely paid attention to me :/

On July 20 2016 22:02 emperorchampion wrote:


8 hour irl mafia game, oh god I would die. Half the people in the room must have hated each other by the end

On July 20 2016 22:03 emperorchampion wrote:


did I mean you or rels?

On July 20 2016 22:03 Koshi wrote:
I think Lunaticman has done everything a mafia does early game.

Ask a simple question about the setup:
+ Show Spoiler +

Call somebody blue / bluehunted + is self-aware
+ Show Spoiler +

Do "serious" scumhunting on a matter that was put forward as a joke. Bit too hard-try
+ Show Spoiler +


And lastly it maybe seems like he is trusting people too much and tries to buddy them.

---

That all said I don't scumread you. It's just something I saw . Game is young.

On July 20 2016 22:05 emperorchampion wrote:


twitch.tv

On July 20 2016 22:05 Koshi wrote:
But I advice all the people townreading lunaticguy to step 5 steps back and wait till he actually does something townie.

On July 20 2016 22:08 Koshi wrote:

Well I am sure that if you keep up what you are doing you will do something that is very likely only to come from town.

On July 20 2016 22:08 emperorchampion wrote:
koshi I disagree with the set-up point: I think mafai wants to pm the mods or ask in QT versus discuss it in thread. Seems way too brazen to me

On July 20 2016 22:13 Koshi wrote:

No. Mafia tends to do it in the thread because it is a post with a lot of words that puts them in the center of attention without any risk.

Do you see how he used way more words than needed?

Doesn't make him mafia. But I have seen mafia do it just like that.

On July 20 2016 22:14 Koshi wrote:

Hello Palmar my good friend. Funny as always!

On July 20 2016 22:20 emperorchampion wrote:


Hmm there were a lot more words than necessary, but I don't agree with it not being risky. It just screams "hey these rolls are important to me", and I can't see a blue asking for clarification in thread ever.

I dunno, I guess on one hand to me it seems risky for mafia to post that in the thread, and on the other hand I think a vt just isn't really thinking about those things at the moment.

On July 20 2016 22:28 Grackaroni wrote:

I think this can be a scum tell for lurkers who are just looking to buff up their filter to avoid a lynch. It's pretty much a null tell for somebody I can only assume will be posting a lot.

On July 20 2016 22:14 Koshi wrote:

Hello Palmar my good friend. Funny as always!

On July 20 2016 22:31 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Surprises abound! It seems the Fête had started earlier than Kruppe had anticipated.

On July 20 2016 22:37 Koshi wrote:

Meh. It is a maybe feeling.

Point of the post was to create discussion and deny the upcoming lunaticguy is 100% town sentiment.

On July 20 2016 22:41 Kruppe the Eel wrote:


Tis not a question of who, but of what! Wisdom to enjoy.

On July 20 2016 22:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Please read it Palmar, you're on my team.

On July 20 2016 22:54 emperorchampion wrote:


is this a famous palmar mafia game??

On July 20 2016 22:52 Skynx wrote:

I have one tactic: bus emperor or die trying.

On July 20 2016 23:10 Skynx wrote:

I have my reasons.

On July 20 2016 23:19 Tumblewood wrote:

I was ehh kind of uncertain on luna until he made this post. this is about the exact opposite of what a mafia would post if they were trying to blend in / sound town. scrubtell?

ehh not sure what to make of this post. it's weird, but townies are weird too. idk, townreading koshi blindly seems to be working for me so far.

On July 20 2016 23:23 Skynx wrote:
Man Koshi might use his new behaviour to his advantage if he's scum If he's not calling anyone bad how we gona know he's town?

On July 20 2016 23:20 emperorchampion wrote:
OK so two things I've been thinking about

1) with regards to this:

I left the "newbie out" when I made my post (literally deleted a sentence from my post before posting about "or he's just new so it could mean nothing"), since I was interested in seeing where he would go with it. Yes he's new, but at the same time he's also mentioned having obs'd a few games and I'm sure has read through all the guides and such. But at the same time it's lunatic's first game and he just wanted some clarification on things.

I have to equal and opposite thoughts about it: (a) townie just isn't thinking about these things right now (what the roles are, how they will affect things)---mafia leaning; and (b) mafia doesn't want to show that they're thinking about what the roles will do in the night---town leaning point. All this to say that it amounts as a null-point at the moment, but I will def return to thinking about this in the future as the game shapes up.


2) koshi has really backed off in many respects since palmar threw some shade on him/his post. Now there can be many reasons, and i don't really want to speculate too much on this atm so it's more of an observation.

On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move.

On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:

when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game.

On July 20 2016 23:32 Skynx wrote:

No. It should mean he can be happy with bad townies making stupid lynches but we can't instantly scumread him for that cuz he said he's gona be calm.

On July 20 2016 23:39 Skynx wrote:

What you're gona do in this game then?

On July 20 2016 23:43 Tumblewood wrote:

...
solving the game is a team effort man. everyone needs to work towards finding scum, mostly because it's easier to find scum when they're pretending to make reads. no enlightenment from me, just reads.

On July 20 2016 23:44 emperorchampion wrote:


ok guess I'll just afk then

+ Show Spoiler +

But to be serious, this is such a weak point that makes me want to scum read you for making it, but I won't.

wifom question for everyone: Would tumble make this point to push me as mafia, when he made the same point in our game together as mafia? Or no connection?

On July 20 2016 23:44 Skynx wrote:
We got got. Funny how you did not spot me being sarcastic earlier tho.

On July 20 2016 23:45 Tumblewood wrote:
luna can you be less hard to figure out? look at some gumshoe games for info on how to make your alignment really obvious. it would help me out greatly thank you

On July 20 2016 23:48 Tumblewood wrote:

players I have an opinion on:
you (scum lean but having doubts)
ec (scum lean)
koshi (association stuff with you)
I think I was screaming gracka but I don't remember why so it probably isn't important

On July 21 2016 00:36 emperorchampion wrote:
OK new fun time activity question: favourite way to drink coffee?

I'll start, mine is black

On July 21 2016 00:41 emperorchampion wrote:
On the other hand, I want to town read you for having the balls to actually post something like that

On July 21 2016 00:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
do i really have to read all this or is it all about coffee and tea and stuff?

On July 21 2016 01:19 prplhz wrote:

what do you mean by this?

who is silent and why is that worrying?

On July 21 2016 01:18 prplhz wrote:
Koshi so far reminds me of this



we've only witnessed the first part so far though

On July 21 2016 01:35 prplhz wrote:

why do you think silent mafia are harder to beat?

what makes you think they will post when you're asleep when they're not posting now?

On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread

On July 21 2016 03:22 prplhz wrote:
@Lunaticman Why are you reading me town?

On July 21 2016 03:23 Skynx wrote:

Without ever rolling town he doesn't know how to be town its simple. Even he does exact opposite of what he did its forced and noticeable.

On July 21 2016 03:25 prplhz wrote:

what did i do to make you feel that i am town

On July 21 2016 03:34 Skynx wrote:

What does emperors alignment has anything to do with mine? I haven't even read him yet.
Also you say what i just said is convincing enough for you to vote on ec. But i didn't say anything new or something related to his specific behaviour here.
So, thats kind of a shitty vote. Why is he mafia?

On July 21 2016 03:36 emperorchampion wrote:


So I went from highest town (iirc) to your scum vote? :o

On July 21 2016 03:45 DCWasabi wrote:



How are you reading Kruppe the eel and Palmar as scummy when they haven't posted anything yet.
They should be null.

What makes you think that they are scummy?

On July 21 2016 03:48 Skynx wrote:

I didn't even have an argument there. That was an opinion on how and why his scum behavior has been generic thats it, nothingn else.
Now what made you think he's scum?

On July 21 2016 03:51 DCWasabi wrote:


That doesn't mean they are Mafia, it just means they are inactive.
We could Policy Lynch for inactivity, or we can Lynch somebody we actually are reading as mafia.
If they don't get active before the deadline, then host action will take place based on OP.

If they wait till the deadline, then post low-content / meaningless things, then we can lynch them on D2 if we think they are Mafia lurking in the shadows.

We do want them to be more active, but we don't want to derail the thread throwing darts at empty space.

On July 21 2016 03:53 emperorchampion wrote:


I dunno if this makes sense. Why would you vote for a town person?

Also I am far from fighting for my life. I am "defending" my self from tumble because his arguments are so weak, they are leading me to think that he might be scum.

On July 21 2016 03:58 emperorchampion wrote:
Ugh tumble / lunatic feels just about right together but I don't want to tunnel on that.

On July 21 2016 04:01 Palmar wrote:


Go forth and make mistakes my friend

On July 21 2016 04:03 emperorchampion wrote:


Right now tumble because he feels exactly like a scum trying to go for an easy mislynch on me. Second you, since the last few posts you've made don't make any sense to me. And also, made me recall that tumble had a kinda ify case on you in the first place that was dropped immediately in favour of his case on me. Then you want to vote for me with some pretty tenuous logic. I'm close to starting to think about convincing other people that this is a real thing.

On July 21 2016 04:15 Palmar wrote:


ok.

100% town - aka never lynching.
Prplhz
Skynx

Likely town:
Tumblewood
emperorchampion
Rels

Null, no reason to lynch but no real reason to townread
Palmar
DCWasabi
Koshi
Gracaroni

null, possibly scum because I haven't really noticed them
nnn_thekushmountains
Lunaticman

Scummy/possibly mafia
sicklucker
Kruppe the eel

On July 21 2016 04:15 emperorchampion wrote:


Do you think that my arguments against tumble are only because he scum read me first? Genuine curiosity here actually.

On July 21 2016 04:25 emperorchampion wrote:


Waited with which point?

On July 21 2016 04:26 emperorchampion wrote:
To follow up tumble, do you honestly think that I haven't contributed this game, or have sucked at contributing?

On July 21 2016 04:30 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Such mystery! Friend Kruppe has two sets of —most beautifully written by Kruppe himself— invitations.

Red envelopes! Warm invitations to the most (in?)famous and lustrous (in some way) inn in Darujhistan; the Phoenix Inn!

Blue envelopes! Calming invitations to the mysterious inn in.. Darujhistan(?); the Crossroad Inn!

Where will Kruppe truly be? What table will be filled with the most delicious pastries, the toughest of drinks and hosted by the most magnanimous host of all, Kruppe?


Kruppe cordially extends a red envelope to both Rels and Koshi. A pair of two indeed! Kruppe extends a warm welcome to the Phoenix Inn! (And of course, dear Koshi, a book with friend Kruppe in it is worth reading a thousand times over!)

Kruppe also extends two mysterious blue envelopes! One to Skynx and one to EmperorChampion. An enigma indeed! Kruppe would welcome the both of you to the Crossroad Inn!

On July 21 2016 04:31 Palmar wrote:
Kruppe playing games, only confirms my strong scumread on him based on the extensive research I've done on this game.

On July 21 2016 04:32 emperorchampion wrote:


I'm a little confused, you think that if someone makes a case against you can't be suspicious of them?

On July 21 2016 04:32 Palmar wrote:

I admit, am rookie.

On July 21 2016 04:34 Palmar wrote:


It's rock solid logic, mafia doesn't need to find mafia so they don't make cases so everyone that makes a case is 100% town all the time.

On July 21 2016 04:35 Palmar wrote:

I think you must look very deep at the problem.

Has he found mafia?

No

Thus he is mafia.

QED

On July 21 2016 04:35 Palmar wrote:
Also, I think Kush is very likely to be scum this game.

Again, based on extensive research.

On July 21 2016 04:43 Palmar wrote:

But I wrote QED that means I'm right because it's proof....

On July 21 2016 04:44 Palmar wrote:

I appreciate it when I make good points and people acknowledge how logical and smart I am.

On July 21 2016 04:45 emperorchampion wrote:


How will my vote exonerate other people?

On July 21 2016 04:40 Skynx wrote:
Kruppe can you at least play normal after d1?

On July 21 2016 04:48 Palmar wrote:


I would, but I just forgot them, I'm really sorry. I'll let you know if I remember.

On July 21 2016 04:53 emperorchampion wrote:
I think I'm just going to step back for a little bit and see what else starts to come up.

On July 21 2016 04:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

yes I can but I won't because that would take effort and not be that fun.

On July 21 2016 05:17 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok I've been taking notes. Things that have stuck out to me.


Here tumble made a quick unprompted re-evaluation of his read on Lunatic. I think that is a strong indication that Tumble is making genuine reads and is therefore town. Mafia spends more time deciding how they want to interpret a player and then defend their interpretation until they are given a reason to change.

Re-evaluating Lunatic. Lunatic hasn't made any real accusations until Palmar voted him.

I don't see why forum mafia would be any different from in real life mafia. Moreover, right now he's voting for someone he thinks is town??

Why are you doing this? It doesn't really make sense from a town or a scum perspective.


Can you explain what was townie about this qt link discussion? So far Kush has contributed little, but he actually seems like he wants people to think that he's putting an effort this game. I think this is scummy for Kush since he usually has a loud, distinct no-shits given attitude as town.

A list of 8 people? I expect more. I think Kush is the best lynch for today.
##Vote: Kushm4sta

On July 21 2016 05:45 prplhz wrote:
i am really having a hard time imagining Lunaticman playing mafia for 8 hours with people being 100% serious 100% of the time which is why i think it's odd he's being so serious and taking everything so serious all the time

On July 21 2016 08:49 emperorchampion wrote:
hmm I feel OK about grack and prpl atm

palmar I find his read list pretty underwhelming, also his vote on lunatic is not that odd in of itself but it's weird that he said he didn't notice him when clearly he did or else woudn't have voted. I don't think he was trolling at that point

a lot of lunatic's posts don't add up so there's that

can some people explain more their town reads on tumble?

kruppe has given some reads, but without any reasoning they are a little tenuous, but at least it's something for now.

rels I guess we'll see tomorrow

sl??? I'm pretty not down with him not posting at all, but we'll see what happens

On July 21 2016 11:44 sicklucker wrote:
I dont think anything made grack or the two new guys at the start of the game town. thats all I feel like reading now

On July 21 2016 11:56 sicklucker wrote:


ya its called video mafia on twitch

On July 21 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
So p19 it kicks off with Tumble case.

While it's an ok case, there is nothing new in it. Tumble basically just repeats and compiles what he's found scummy about emperor over span of past few pages. Main point being posting for sake of posting.


This however is some giveaway. Now his push turns into a meta push. I mean if you feel like you made enough convincing in your case why write this? There are lot of players who are unfamiliar with emp playstyle and I don't actually agree he fits his scum meta so far.
Actually I'm sure Koshi can figure out why emperor is not scum so far cuz we discussed this deeply in coach chat.

On July 21 2016 21:18 Skynx wrote:

What's the difference between Palmar and kush? They played almost exactly the same so far and you questioned both of their reads being vague/trolly/lazy. They should have been same category for you.
Also why is Grack town?

On July 21 2016 21:18 Skynx wrote:

What's the difference between Palmar and kush? They played almost exactly the same so far and you questioned both of their reads being vague/trolly/lazy. They should have been same category for you.
Also why is Grack town?

On July 21 2016 21:37 Skynx wrote:

Well for instance, Palmar has most games (some 90-ish?) under his belt here. Does that change your opinions?

On July 21 2016 21:40 Skynx wrote:
So I'm assuming you sr Palmar based on the fact that he voted you without any reason to save his scumbuddy emp?

On July 21 2016 22:00 emperorchampion wrote:


Great point!

On July 21 2016 22:01 Skynx wrote:

Well, you are way too tunneled on one idea then. emperor was engaging nicely at the time, under some pressure but he has certainly seen worse. He knows how to act in high pressure situations.
If palmar is his teammate, he's under no pressure to defend him either.
If palmar is town, he's just scumreading you for whatever reason cuz he's trolling.

On July 21 2016 22:06 Skynx wrote:
Lunaticman, do you have romanian ties in the family?

On July 21 2016 22:09 emperorchampion wrote:


If you can explain this in a way that makes perfect sense, then I have a 100% town read on palmar

On July 21 2016 22:19 Skynx wrote:

There used to be a thread where a bunch of Romanians didn't understand lines and lines of sarcasm than didn't take serious stuff serious. It became a meme on TL but i can't find it now

On July 21 2016 22:20 Skynx wrote:

Well, good luck on your Palmar lynch.

On July 21 2016 22:24 prplhz wrote:

how does this make ANY sense when emperorchapmion isn't even your scum read

you're literally saying Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum. but emperorchampion isn't scum but Palmar is still scum.

???

On July 21 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote:

His style doesn't piss me off. If we take his actions totally serious he's like confirmed mafia in my eyes. His style suggests that he's not aware of certain stuff behind posts and takes non-serious things for real and vice versa. I reasoned my original slight scumlean based off of that, that ok he might pick up on the game when he gets familiar but he said stuff so far that must always get him lynched at one point.
My only concern is he's prolly town.

On July 21 2016 22:41 Koshi wrote:

I agree Palmar might be mafia. And last times I said Palmar was mafia he actually was mafia and I got night killed and people didn't lynch him. So I am glad you are in the game.


I am currently thinking about Kruppe as well. What is your opinion?


My current scumteam:

Palmar/Kruppe/Rels

On July 21 2016 22:47 emperorchampion wrote:


Who are the players that have done something without justification in your mind?

On July 21 2016 22:48 Skynx wrote:



These two specifically imo makes him scummy.
1st one he doesn't have his own reasoning for his vote, makes it a safe play. Do you see the " oh I vote emp cuz of your point but if he's green than you are scum" ? That's like super bad, I also questioned someone who said something similar last game. I think it was emperor.
2nd one not exactly this quote but the overall phonomenon of reacting to Palmar vote. Ok I see how he scumreads him cuz of no reasoning but thats exactly what he did with vote on emperor?

On July 21 2016 22:48 Koshi wrote:
The reason why I think at least 2 mafia are within my list. (the reasoning is weak, but they connect like this atm) Also Palmar, Rels, Kruppe are left in my PoE list of let's say 6 people if I would really make one.

↓It was weird that Palmar had him in his scumlist. Why wasn't Kruppe null? He looked pretty null.



↓ The 2 calm envelopes are sent to the 2 people who everybody are townreading. Really boring.
The 2 hot envelopes are sent to me and Rels. I am not mafia. And mafia likes to add at least 1 mafia.




↓Weird logic.

On July 21 2016 22:43 prplhz wrote:

but Skynx is saying you are scumreading Palmar because he tries to attract attention on himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion

you agree with this

so you think Palmar is scum because he tries to attract attention to himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion

but you are not scumreading emperorchampion

it's literally what the post said???

ALSO

why would whatever get someone lynched irl, but not here? why is it scummy irl but not here?

On July 21 2016 22:58 Skynx wrote:

There you go:




Especially the last one. You are ready to blindly follow my meta statement on emperor to conclude he is scum and if that is wrong I must be mafia?
Furthermore, why are you so ready on reading Palmar as mafia when you are so ready to jump on any meta statemet?

On July 21 2016 23:02 Koshi wrote:
Lunaticman


Stop annoying this man. Work with him. Not against him.

You will see he is town if you work with him.

Stop your tunnels.

On July 21 2016 22:58 emperorchampion wrote:


So it's pretty much just votes that you're talking about being unjustified? Also what is this about the "Master suppression" technique, if you see something lets discuss it and see where it heads.