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On July 23 2016 04:15 Tumblewood wrote:
partner is within grack/sl/sknyx(?)/ec(?)/really long shot prplhz
everyone else is more or less confirmed town in my mind
You got this.
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On July 22 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 23:25 Skynx wrote:On July 22 2016 22:55 Koshi wrote:On July 22 2016 21:30 Skynx wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You guys have to understand one thing about Koshi. His votes never come out of nowhere. There is always some deep analysis behind them. His kush vote came exactly out of nothing. Absolutely nothing. Koshi never does that.His only interaction with kush in this game: he tells him to read my filter. This is his opinion on kush, the only one. On July 21 2016 23:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 23:20 Grackaroni wrote:
I still think Kush has a good chance of being mafia, but it's pretty clear by now that nobody else thinks so and I don't think there's much I can do about that. Kush changed his playstyle. If he is looking at the right place he shouldn't be lynched until he shows face. Then grack starts the train. On July 22 2016 06:12 Koshi wrote:
meh. It is possible. On July 22 2016 06:12 Koshi wrote:
##Vote: Kushm4sta He always always shows his opinion on why people are scum or should be lynched. On July 22 2016 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 06:34 Rels wrote:On July 22 2016 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Rels you got meta on DCW? No. I'm not even 100% convinced he's scum. But he's the more likely to flip scum. Why is Kush town? He never says why kush is mafia to start with. Instead he defends his vote this way. This is not how he plays, never. On July 22 2016 06:51 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 06:49 DCWasabi wrote:
Why are people even trying to lynch me?
I have posted honestly and tried to figure things out, tho it isn't easy and I was pretty damn active early on/ Well if Kush isn't mafia and you aren't mafia, then mafia are the people that people don't like lynching even though they are not being top town. aka Palmar and sl etc There are also other stuff. To answer the case on me. I agree the lynch was terrible. I failed on the Kruppe read once more and was looking for a better lynch. Kush was presented and I went w.e. I think I made a horrible mistake thinking both Tumble and Skynx are town. I still hope Skynx is town though. But this case is pretty opportunistic. But maybe it had to be made. I will still be looking to solve the game. So your option to read me are: a) mafia trying to lead town to the wrong path. Using good/decent arguments throughout the game. b) town trying to lead town to the right path. Using good/decent arguments throughout the game. alas I totally admit I was wrong on both Kruppe and Kush. That's a sly line. If you're not town reading me for pointing out crucial mistakes from a town pillar I don't know what makes me town. This is not you Koshi. I had a solid D1, both kush and Palmar were my townreads and I pushed agaisnt kush lynch when it was still in discussion. I had no reason to townread kush when the only main argument on why he's scum, by Grack was based on tone and I pushed grack for it. Now I only have to figure out who are your teammates. This seems very hasty. Having kush and palmar as town is really no town credit at all, since they were both at least somewhat ambiguous. More leans towards TMI for me.
Good post. Touting your play from day 1 due to townreads on Kush/Palmar is crap.
You were fine with lynching Palmar, and you didn't offer a stunning defense of Kushm4sta either. You aren't getting any credit for this.
On July 22 2016 03:24 Skynx wrote:
Well, we can lynch one of Palmar/haze i guess?
Why did you guys claim anyway?
On July 22 2016 04:31 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 04:19 Tumblewood wrote:
before I say that though I guess I should read DC's filter
@skynx why are you not lynching rels or kush? I have my reasons. + Show Spoiler +jk, I feel like kush has been ok and I liked some of the stuff rels pointed out in his second activity period.
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On July 23 2016 04:21 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 04:15 Tumblewood wrote:
partner is within grack/sl/sknyx(?)/ec(?)/really long shot prplhz
everyone else is more or less confirmed town in my mind You got this.
what do you mean by this
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On July 23 2016 04:09 Tumblewood wrote:guys I found rels's partner this guy Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 23:01 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 22:59 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 22:57 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 22:53 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 22:43 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 22:37 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 22:24 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 21:45 Lunaticman wrote:
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It sure seems that way to me, unless you have something to add. how does this make ANY sense when emperorchapmion isn't even your scum read you're literally saying Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum. but emperorchampion isn't scum but Palmar is still scum. ??? No. Ec was accused of being scummy because of a meta read. I thought the accusation was interesting and valid. I voted for him because of it. He defended himself by accusing me, I explained why that was a mistake and that it would have gotten him lynched IRL. Palmer springs up and tries to redirect the attention and makes a several contradictions which makes him super scummy in my eyes. I vote for Palmer. Everyone starts to question my reads and the way I play which makes me think I am onto something. I just think I hit a nerve and I won't let it go unless Palmer hard claims a blue role. but Skynx is saying you are scumreading Palmar because he tries to attract attention on himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion you agree with this so you think Palmar is scum because he tries to attract attention to himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion but you are not scumreading emperorchampion it's literally what the post said??? ALSO why would whatever get someone lynched irl, but not here? why is it scummy irl but not here? prplhz, Better not stare blindly in what lunatic says why Palmar is mafia and discard the idea because you disagree. Please read Palmar his filter and tell me why Palmar is town? You probably can't. Please do not defend Palmar solely because you disagree with Lunatic. It doesn't help town. Palmar might very well be mafia. that's not my problem, yes Palmar could be mafia Skynx is asking Lunaticman is he is scumreading Palmar because Palmar is defending his scumbuddy emperorchampion. Lunaticman says that that is exactly what is happening. This associative business is shady in itself, but Lunaticman isn't even scumreading emperorchampion. Explain this to me like I'm stupid. He is saying "Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum" but he doesn't think emperorchampion is scum??? I was the first to say that was bullshit. In the thread. Posts started with: ...
Really
... But LET IT GO... Do not stare blindly on 1 thing this lunatic guy says. He has a 7 (maybe 8 now) filter and he is not backing down. You can tell him another 1000 times that he doesn't make sense and he will tell you 1001 times he does... If you think it makes him mafia. Fine. But I don't think it does. He really believes Palmar is mafia for this reason. While we think that reason is bad. He still believes it. It's townie. HMM OKAY i know i should ignore Lunaticman for now but it's just so hard!!! Anyway, Palmar could be mafia. But we're not lynching him today. And if you're town, could be dead tomorrow. It's fine that you're pushing the idea that Palmar could be mafia but please don't push the idea that we should lynch him today. Fine. I can kill the eel as well. Or Rels. Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 05:21 Koshi wrote:On July 22 2016 05:19 Rels wrote:On July 22 2016 05:15 Koshi wrote:page 8 townread: On July 12 2016 15:36 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe welcomes EmperorChampion, a true friend of Kruppe, to Kruppe's table. Sit, friend, and marvel in the sweetness, and sweet it is indeed, of Kruppe's friendship. next post. page 9 townread: On July 12 2016 23:04 Kruppe the Eel wrote:On July 12 2016 22:57 Vivax wrote:On July 12 2016 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
Good Morning Everyone,
I've read through the game and have a few town reads to share.
Damdred - I liked his entry and the points he raised about emperor/conversation with DCwasabi seemed excellent. He Seems engaged in the game aswell so he is my top town.
DCWasabi - I've never played with this guy before but his initial problem with emperor's post was quite well though out and I also liked his conversation with damdred so i'd have him as town at the moment.
[green]prplhz So this was strange at first I didn't like his posts about not wanting to lead the town and being happy to sheep anyone. But on further reflection I don't think it is likely that , as a mafia opening, you would come out and say stuff like that. Maybe he said something like it before or does it as either alignment but I don't remember it. I also liked the tone of his responses, sort of unapologetic for what he was saying.
For everyone else I have slight leans either way but I don't have anything that would be a helpful contribution Why do you have such a strong opinion on Damdy based on what he wrote on emc, but no opinion on emc at all? Doesn't seem logical to me. If his points are excellent you should share his views? Applause! Applause! Friend Vivax, you have earned a —certainly one of kruppe's favorites!— chair at Kruppe's table. Such wisdom is unparalleled by anyone other than Kruppe himself. next post. page 13 update on read: On July 13 2016 01:40 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe ponders; what happened to the infinite wisdom displayed by true friend Vivax, who is currently —most comfortably— seated at the largest and most illuminated table in the tavern?
Ah, but mayhaps Kruppe already knows. Bard Vivax's song is sonorous and devout, but a song is a poem is a tale. This is merely the beginning of the tale sung by friend Vivax; twists and turns, friends and jubilations, chairs and pastries! What wonders await us, dear friends of Kruppe? Kruppe admits to utter ignorance, solemnly sworn! next post. page 22 scumread: On July 13 2016 22:21 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Alas, wisdom is obscured to those with (mayhaps feigned?) ignorant eyes.
Words are spoken of the traitor Snickers. One of many words yet now shrouded in silence. Kruppe admits to the peculiarity of such a phenomenon, a personality switched, a mouth stitched. Kruppe begs of thee, Snickers —if you are a true friend of Kruppe's—, sing loud and true!
Yet in the shadows sits KelsierSC, once prodded by friend Vivax's insight, still a convenient bystander. Kruppe asks of you —reader—, who may just be a true friend of Kruppe, do you consider Kelsier to be a friend? Kruppe raises his eyebrow with much vehemency! next post, page 23, scumread: On July 14 2016 05:59 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe is somewhat conflicted, dear friends. It seems that Snickers simply stormed off in a fit of anger! How very uncharacteristic, indeed. When faced with peril, should we not show our true colors and shine bright? Mayhaps Snickers is a traitor in truth after all.
Yet, Kruppe's infinite wisdom prevails! Kelsier is not a true friend, but a traitor among us! It has been seen by bard Vivax before, but Kelsier has slipped through the myriad of conversations. Kelsier's display of opinion was the first impression —the most important of impression's, Kruppe would argue— given to us by undear Kelsier, and it has stayed that way. Our beloved bard had even spoken true of Kelsier's most interesting view; it was characterized by inconsistency! Alas, it is true that Kelsier could still be a friend after all. But, with finger both brazenly raised and wagging, Kruppe would argue that Kelsier has since not contributed his opinion at all! Most interesting, as this seemed to be an utmost priority at the very start!
Kruppe —with heavy heart, as your truest friend Kruppe is not one to resort to violence— will temporarily put down his left pastry (though the right pastry is still firmly grasped) to point a finger at Kelsier. next post page 23, scumread: On July 14 2016 06:08 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Though if Snickers does not show up for a most rousing of conversation, then Kruppe will not oppose the ousting of Snickers.
Alas, at is stands your dearest friend Kruppe has some important business to attend to. Your most interesting conversations will certainly be missed! Though Kruppe is sure he will hear of them. Those are all consecutive posts. Well constructed and easy to read. This game he is doing nothing of that. The only read post he gave was the last one. Which he made to get people of his back. The envelope post was terrible vague. It even appears the red envelopes were his townreads and the blue ones were scumreads. How the fuck? That is the opposite as his previous game because there even though he roleplayed his reads were clear. This game he is hiding behind the roleplaying to minimize giving out reads. He isn't a lock mafia. But if we want to lynch a guy who has given town nothing, plays under his capabilities and plays meta different than his last town game. Kruppe is always the lynch. OK. I see your point. DC is still a better lynch No he isn't at all. Ok. You decided to be completely useless this game. Ignored for the rest of the game. Will push your lynch when possible. Insane how you haven't said anything remotely decent this game. Something I can actually use to read somebody. all d1 Koshi was yelling at rels for being bad and keeping him as his second scumread. when rels was the lynch, Koshi was sitting on kruppe and crying out "a trollplayer isn't being helpful! lynch!" the association is so obvious... Koshi is "fine with lynching rels" but instead chooses to save him. scumteam is for sure rels/koshi/an inactive (sl? maybe) I would be totally fine with afk-voting the next two days and coming back when there are real decisions to make [/b]
I'm fine with this reasoning, it is a strong argument. But which is the stronger lynch between the two of them kels or koshi?
The last minute switching of votes holds some answer I am sure of it I just cant grasp it right now.
Can we assume we have a vigilant in town?
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On July 23 2016 04:34 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 04:09 Tumblewood wrote:guys I found rels's partner this guy On July 21 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 23:01 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 22:59 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 22:57 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 22:53 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 22:43 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 22:37 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 22:24 prplhz wrote:
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how does this make ANY sense when emperorchapmion isn't even your scum read
you're literally saying Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum. but emperorchampion isn't scum but Palmar is still scum.
??? No. Ec was accused of being scummy because of a meta read. I thought the accusation was interesting and valid. I voted for him because of it. He defended himself by accusing me, I explained why that was a mistake and that it would have gotten him lynched IRL. Palmer springs up and tries to redirect the attention and makes a several contradictions which makes him super scummy in my eyes. I vote for Palmer. Everyone starts to question my reads and the way I play which makes me think I am onto something. I just think I hit a nerve and I won't let it go unless Palmer hard claims a blue role. but Skynx is saying you are scumreading Palmar because he tries to attract attention on himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion you agree with this so you think Palmar is scum because he tries to attract attention to himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion but you are not scumreading emperorchampion it's literally what the post said??? ALSO why would whatever get someone lynched irl, but not here? why is it scummy irl but not here? prplhz, Better not stare blindly in what lunatic says why Palmar is mafia and discard the idea because you disagree. Please read Palmar his filter and tell me why Palmar is town? You probably can't. Please do not defend Palmar solely because you disagree with Lunatic. It doesn't help town. Palmar might very well be mafia. that's not my problem, yes Palmar could be mafia Skynx is asking Lunaticman is he is scumreading Palmar because Palmar is defending his scumbuddy emperorchampion. Lunaticman says that that is exactly what is happening. This associative business is shady in itself, but Lunaticman isn't even scumreading emperorchampion. Explain this to me like I'm stupid. He is saying "Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum" but he doesn't think emperorchampion is scum??? I was the first to say that was bullshit. In the thread. Posts started with: ...
Really
... But LET IT GO... Do not stare blindly on 1 thing this lunatic guy says. He has a 7 (maybe 8 now) filter and he is not backing down. You can tell him another 1000 times that he doesn't make sense and he will tell you 1001 times he does... If you think it makes him mafia. Fine. But I don't think it does. He really believes Palmar is mafia for this reason. While we think that reason is bad. He still believes it. It's townie. HMM OKAY i know i should ignore Lunaticman for now but it's just so hard!!! Anyway, Palmar could be mafia. But we're not lynching him today. And if you're town, could be dead tomorrow. It's fine that you're pushing the idea that Palmar could be mafia but please don't push the idea that we should lynch him today. Fine. I can kill the eel as well. Or Rels. On July 22 2016 05:21 Koshi wrote:On July 22 2016 05:19 Rels wrote:On July 22 2016 05:15 Koshi wrote:page 8 townread: On July 12 2016 15:36 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe welcomes EmperorChampion, a true friend of Kruppe, to Kruppe's table. Sit, friend, and marvel in the sweetness, and sweet it is indeed, of Kruppe's friendship. next post. page 9 townread: On July 12 2016 23:04 Kruppe the Eel wrote:On July 12 2016 22:57 Vivax wrote:On July 12 2016 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
Good Morning Everyone,
I've read through the game and have a few town reads to share.
Damdred - I liked his entry and the points he raised about emperor/conversation with DCwasabi seemed excellent. He Seems engaged in the game aswell so he is my top town.
DCWasabi - I've never played with this guy before but his initial problem with emperor's post was quite well though out and I also liked his conversation with damdred so i'd have him as town at the moment.
[green]prplhz So this was strange at first I didn't like his posts about not wanting to lead the town and being happy to sheep anyone. But on further reflection I don't think it is likely that , as a mafia opening, you would come out and say stuff like that. Maybe he said something like it before or does it as either alignment but I don't remember it. I also liked the tone of his responses, sort of unapologetic for what he was saying.
For everyone else I have slight leans either way but I don't have anything that would be a helpful contribution Why do you have such a strong opinion on Damdy based on what he wrote on emc, but no opinion on emc at all? Doesn't seem logical to me. If his points are excellent you should share his views? Applause! Applause! Friend Vivax, you have earned a —certainly one of kruppe's favorites!— chair at Kruppe's table. Such wisdom is unparalleled by anyone other than Kruppe himself. next post. page 13 update on read: On July 13 2016 01:40 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe ponders; what happened to the infinite wisdom displayed by true friend Vivax, who is currently —most comfortably— seated at the largest and most illuminated table in the tavern?
Ah, but mayhaps Kruppe already knows. Bard Vivax's song is sonorous and devout, but a song is a poem is a tale. This is merely the beginning of the tale sung by friend Vivax; twists and turns, friends and jubilations, chairs and pastries! What wonders await us, dear friends of Kruppe? Kruppe admits to utter ignorance, solemnly sworn! next post. page 22 scumread: On July 13 2016 22:21 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Alas, wisdom is obscured to those with (mayhaps feigned?) ignorant eyes.
Words are spoken of the traitor Snickers. One of many words yet now shrouded in silence. Kruppe admits to the peculiarity of such a phenomenon, a personality switched, a mouth stitched. Kruppe begs of thee, Snickers —if you are a true friend of Kruppe's—, sing loud and true!
Yet in the shadows sits KelsierSC, once prodded by friend Vivax's insight, still a convenient bystander. Kruppe asks of you —reader—, who may just be a true friend of Kruppe, do you consider Kelsier to be a friend? Kruppe raises his eyebrow with much vehemency! next post, page 23, scumread: On July 14 2016 05:59 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe is somewhat conflicted, dear friends. It seems that Snickers simply stormed off in a fit of anger! How very uncharacteristic, indeed. When faced with peril, should we not show our true colors and shine bright? Mayhaps Snickers is a traitor in truth after all.
Yet, Kruppe's infinite wisdom prevails! Kelsier is not a true friend, but a traitor among us! It has been seen by bard Vivax before, but Kelsier has slipped through the myriad of conversations. Kelsier's display of opinion was the first impression —the most important of impression's, Kruppe would argue— given to us by undear Kelsier, and it has stayed that way. Our beloved bard had even spoken true of Kelsier's most interesting view; it was characterized by inconsistency! Alas, it is true that Kelsier could still be a friend after all. But, with finger both brazenly raised and wagging, Kruppe would argue that Kelsier has since not contributed his opinion at all! Most interesting, as this seemed to be an utmost priority at the very start!
Kruppe —with heavy heart, as your truest friend Kruppe is not one to resort to violence— will temporarily put down his left pastry (though the right pastry is still firmly grasped) to point a finger at Kelsier. next post page 23, scumread: On July 14 2016 06:08 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Though if Snickers does not show up for a most rousing of conversation, then Kruppe will not oppose the ousting of Snickers.
Alas, at is stands your dearest friend Kruppe has some important business to attend to. Your most interesting conversations will certainly be missed! Though Kruppe is sure he will hear of them. Those are all consecutive posts. Well constructed and easy to read. This game he is doing nothing of that. The only read post he gave was the last one. Which he made to get people of his back. The envelope post was terrible vague. It even appears the red envelopes were his townreads and the blue ones were scumreads. How the fuck? That is the opposite as his previous game because there even though he roleplayed his reads were clear. This game he is hiding behind the roleplaying to minimize giving out reads. He isn't a lock mafia. But if we want to lynch a guy who has given town nothing, plays under his capabilities and plays meta different than his last town game. Kruppe is always the lynch. OK. I see your point. DC is still a better lynch No he isn't at all. Ok. You decided to be completely useless this game. Ignored for the rest of the game. Will push your lynch when possible. Insane how you haven't said anything remotely decent this game. Something I can actually use to read somebody. all d1 Koshi was yelling at rels for being bad and keeping him as his second scumread. when rels was the lynch, Koshi was sitting on kruppe and crying out "a trollplayer isn't being helpful! lynch!" the association is so obvious... Koshi is "fine with lynching rels" but instead chooses to save him. scumteam is for sure rels/koshi/an inactive (sl? maybe) I would be totally fine with afk-voting the next two days and coming back when there are real decisions to make I'm fine with this reasoning, it is a strong argument. But which is the stronger lynch between the two of them kels or koshi? The last minute switching of votes holds some answer I am sure of it I just cant grasp it right now. Can we assume we have a vigilant in town? [/b]
does it matter? 
in reality probably rels(?) because the Koshi thing hinges on him being scum, but I'll do either as long as they both die.
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On July 22 2016 23:29 Skynx wrote:
I refuse to believe you are playing bad. Playing bad is not same as having bad reads. You can have bad reads but you had nothing on kush and still went for it.
Even if Koshi didn't agree with my interpretation of Kush. (@Koshi, did you? I'm not sure.) He has pointed out that he is using process of elimination with his 3/6 chance of hitting mafia on Kruppe. Kush lynch would follow the exact same logic from Koshi.
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It could still be a suspect vote if there was reason for mafia to panic at the end of the day.
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grack do you really have nothing to say about Koshi/anything that I said?
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TBH it won't take much from so to get me to lynch you third
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On July 22 2016 23:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 23:29 Skynx wrote:
I refuse to believe you are playing bad. Playing bad is not same as having bad reads. You can have bad reads but you had nothing on kush and still went for it. Hmm. I think I produced lists in which Kush had in them. I did say that Kush shouldn't be looked at till he was proven wrong or showed face. But I didn't have an other option that moment.
Rels was there and I didn't have the balls to go for him. All other people looked town to me. Also. About "refusing" to believing I was "bad". That's just really silly. I think people in the game knew how I ended up on Kush. It wasn't opportunistic scum at all. I made enough posts to see how my thought process was and what happened. Your push on me is based on something very flimpsy. Adding extra factors as "not townreading you for making a case on you" is really cool and all. But it wont fly as town will see right through it. But keep up the push on me. You are weakening the strong position you worked yourself in during D1.
Ok further thread reading is making me look stupid. Pretty bad end of the day vote by Koshi.
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On July 23 2016 04:35 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 04:34 Lunaticman wrote:On July 23 2016 04:09 Tumblewood wrote:guys I found rels's partner this guy On July 21 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 23:01 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 22:59 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 22:57 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 22:53 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 22:43 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 22:37 Lunaticman wrote:
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No.
Ec was accused of being scummy because of a meta read.
I thought the accusation was interesting and valid. I voted for him because of it.
He defended himself by accusing me, I explained why that was a mistake and that it would have gotten him lynched IRL.
Palmer springs up and tries to redirect the attention and makes a several contradictions which makes him super scummy in my eyes.
I vote for Palmer.
Everyone starts to question my reads and the way I play which makes me think I am onto something. I just think I hit a nerve and I won't let it go unless Palmer hard claims a blue role.
but Skynx is saying you are scumreading Palmar because he tries to attract attention on himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion you agree with this so you think Palmar is scum because he tries to attract attention to himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion but you are not scumreading emperorchampion it's literally what the post said??? ALSO why would whatever get someone lynched irl, but not here? why is it scummy irl but not here? prplhz, Better not stare blindly in what lunatic says why Palmar is mafia and discard the idea because you disagree. Please read Palmar his filter and tell me why Palmar is town? You probably can't. Please do not defend Palmar solely because you disagree with Lunatic. It doesn't help town. Palmar might very well be mafia. that's not my problem, yes Palmar could be mafia Skynx is asking Lunaticman is he is scumreading Palmar because Palmar is defending his scumbuddy emperorchampion. Lunaticman says that that is exactly what is happening. This associative business is shady in itself, but Lunaticman isn't even scumreading emperorchampion. Explain this to me like I'm stupid. He is saying "Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum" but he doesn't think emperorchampion is scum??? I was the first to say that was bullshit. In the thread. Posts started with: ...
Really
... But LET IT GO... Do not stare blindly on 1 thing this lunatic guy says. He has a 7 (maybe 8 now) filter and he is not backing down. You can tell him another 1000 times that he doesn't make sense and he will tell you 1001 times he does... If you think it makes him mafia. Fine. But I don't think it does. He really believes Palmar is mafia for this reason. While we think that reason is bad. He still believes it. It's townie. HMM OKAY i know i should ignore Lunaticman for now but it's just so hard!!! Anyway, Palmar could be mafia. But we're not lynching him today. And if you're town, could be dead tomorrow. It's fine that you're pushing the idea that Palmar could be mafia but please don't push the idea that we should lynch him today. Fine. I can kill the eel as well. Or Rels. On July 22 2016 05:21 Koshi wrote:On July 22 2016 05:19 Rels wrote:On July 22 2016 05:15 Koshi wrote:page 8 townread: On July 12 2016 15:36 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe welcomes EmperorChampion, a true friend of Kruppe, to Kruppe's table. Sit, friend, and marvel in the sweetness, and sweet it is indeed, of Kruppe's friendship. next post. page 9 townread: On July 12 2016 23:04 Kruppe the Eel wrote:On July 12 2016 22:57 Vivax wrote:On July 12 2016 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
Good Morning Everyone,
I've read through the game and have a few town reads to share.
Damdred - I liked his entry and the points he raised about emperor/conversation with DCwasabi seemed excellent. He Seems engaged in the game aswell so he is my top town.
DCWasabi - I've never played with this guy before but his initial problem with emperor's post was quite well though out and I also liked his conversation with damdred so i'd have him as town at the moment.
[green]prplhz So this was strange at first I didn't like his posts about not wanting to lead the town and being happy to sheep anyone. But on further reflection I don't think it is likely that , as a mafia opening, you would come out and say stuff like that. Maybe he said something like it before or does it as either alignment but I don't remember it. I also liked the tone of his responses, sort of unapologetic for what he was saying.
For everyone else I have slight leans either way but I don't have anything that would be a helpful contribution Why do you have such a strong opinion on Damdy based on what he wrote on emc, but no opinion on emc at all? Doesn't seem logical to me. If his points are excellent you should share his views? Applause! Applause! Friend Vivax, you have earned a —certainly one of kruppe's favorites!— chair at Kruppe's table. Such wisdom is unparalleled by anyone other than Kruppe himself. next post. page 13 update on read: On July 13 2016 01:40 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe ponders; what happened to the infinite wisdom displayed by true friend Vivax, who is currently —most comfortably— seated at the largest and most illuminated table in the tavern?
Ah, but mayhaps Kruppe already knows. Bard Vivax's song is sonorous and devout, but a song is a poem is a tale. This is merely the beginning of the tale sung by friend Vivax; twists and turns, friends and jubilations, chairs and pastries! What wonders await us, dear friends of Kruppe? Kruppe admits to utter ignorance, solemnly sworn! next post. page 22 scumread: On July 13 2016 22:21 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Alas, wisdom is obscured to those with (mayhaps feigned?) ignorant eyes.
Words are spoken of the traitor Snickers. One of many words yet now shrouded in silence. Kruppe admits to the peculiarity of such a phenomenon, a personality switched, a mouth stitched. Kruppe begs of thee, Snickers —if you are a true friend of Kruppe's—, sing loud and true!
Yet in the shadows sits KelsierSC, once prodded by friend Vivax's insight, still a convenient bystander. Kruppe asks of you —reader—, who may just be a true friend of Kruppe, do you consider Kelsier to be a friend? Kruppe raises his eyebrow with much vehemency! next post, page 23, scumread: On July 14 2016 05:59 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe is somewhat conflicted, dear friends. It seems that Snickers simply stormed off in a fit of anger! How very uncharacteristic, indeed. When faced with peril, should we not show our true colors and shine bright? Mayhaps Snickers is a traitor in truth after all.
Yet, Kruppe's infinite wisdom prevails! Kelsier is not a true friend, but a traitor among us! It has been seen by bard Vivax before, but Kelsier has slipped through the myriad of conversations. Kelsier's display of opinion was the first impression —the most important of impression's, Kruppe would argue— given to us by undear Kelsier, and it has stayed that way. Our beloved bard had even spoken true of Kelsier's most interesting view; it was characterized by inconsistency! Alas, it is true that Kelsier could still be a friend after all. But, with finger both brazenly raised and wagging, Kruppe would argue that Kelsier has since not contributed his opinion at all! Most interesting, as this seemed to be an utmost priority at the very start!
Kruppe —with heavy heart, as your truest friend Kruppe is not one to resort to violence— will temporarily put down his left pastry (though the right pastry is still firmly grasped) to point a finger at Kelsier. next post page 23, scumread: On July 14 2016 06:08 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Though if Snickers does not show up for a most rousing of conversation, then Kruppe will not oppose the ousting of Snickers.
Alas, at is stands your dearest friend Kruppe has some important business to attend to. Your most interesting conversations will certainly be missed! Though Kruppe is sure he will hear of them. Those are all consecutive posts. Well constructed and easy to read. This game he is doing nothing of that. The only read post he gave was the last one. Which he made to get people of his back. The envelope post was terrible vague. It even appears the red envelopes were his townreads and the blue ones were scumreads. How the fuck? That is the opposite as his previous game because there even though he roleplayed his reads were clear. This game he is hiding behind the roleplaying to minimize giving out reads. He isn't a lock mafia. But if we want to lynch a guy who has given town nothing, plays under his capabilities and plays meta different than his last town game. Kruppe is always the lynch. OK. I see your point. DC is still a better lynch No he isn't at all. Ok. You decided to be completely useless this game. Ignored for the rest of the game. Will push your lynch when possible. Insane how you haven't said anything remotely decent this game. Something I can actually use to read somebody. all d1 Koshi was yelling at rels for being bad and keeping him as his second scumread. when rels was the lynch, Koshi was sitting on kruppe and crying out "a trollplayer isn't being helpful! lynch!" the association is so obvious... Koshi is "fine with lynching rels" but instead chooses to save him. scumteam is for sure rels/koshi/an inactive (sl? maybe) I would be totally fine with afk-voting the next two days and coming back when there are real decisions to make I'm fine with this reasoning, it is a strong argument. But which is the stronger lynch between the two of them kels or koshi? The last minute switching of votes holds some answer I am sure of it I just cant grasp it right now. Can we assume we have a vigilant in town? does it matter? in reality probably rels(?) because the Koshi thing hinges on him being scum, but I'll do either as long as they both die. [/b]
I want the buss to make sense so we know what to do if either alignment turns up.
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On July 23 2016 04:38 Tumblewood wrote:
grack do you really have nothing to say about Koshi/anything that I said?
I'm not a big fan of unflipped associations, but I'll look into it. I still have a few hours yet!
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The reasonning is simple.
Tumble tunneled me the last game we played together. We were both town. He had a thoughtful reasonning as to why I was scum, but he was super wrong. Nevertheless he tunneled me and lost the game when mafia piled the votes on me.
He said post game he was going to work on his tunnel.
But he's doing the opposite this game. He's tunneling me so much this game that he's scumreading Koshi uniquely because "Rels is scum". Apart from that he gave 0 reason as to why I'm scum.
Scum scum scum
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On July 23 2016 04:41 Rels wrote:
Tumble is scum
I know you are short on time but what is this based on?
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On July 23 2016 04:41 Rels wrote:
Tumble is scum
ok
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On July 23 2016 04:26 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:On July 22 2016 23:25 Skynx wrote:On July 22 2016 22:55 Koshi wrote:On July 22 2016 21:30 Skynx wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You guys have to understand one thing about Koshi. His votes never come out of nowhere. There is always some deep analysis behind them. His kush vote came exactly out of nothing. Absolutely nothing. Koshi never does that.His only interaction with kush in this game: he tells him to read my filter. This is his opinion on kush, the only one. On July 21 2016 23:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 23:20 Grackaroni wrote:
I still think Kush has a good chance of being mafia, but it's pretty clear by now that nobody else thinks so and I don't think there's much I can do about that. Kush changed his playstyle. If he is looking at the right place he shouldn't be lynched until he shows face. Then grack starts the train. On July 22 2016 06:12 Koshi wrote:
meh. It is possible. On July 22 2016 06:12 Koshi wrote:
##Vote: Kushm4sta He always always shows his opinion on why people are scum or should be lynched. On July 22 2016 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 06:34 Rels wrote:On July 22 2016 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Rels you got meta on DCW? No. I'm not even 100% convinced he's scum. But he's the more likely to flip scum. Why is Kush town? He never says why kush is mafia to start with. Instead he defends his vote this way. This is not how he plays, never. On July 22 2016 06:51 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 06:49 DCWasabi wrote:
Why are people even trying to lynch me?
I have posted honestly and tried to figure things out, tho it isn't easy and I was pretty damn active early on/ Well if Kush isn't mafia and you aren't mafia, then mafia are the people that people don't like lynching even though they are not being top town. aka Palmar and sl etc There are also other stuff. To answer the case on me. I agree the lynch was terrible. I failed on the Kruppe read once more and was looking for a better lynch. Kush was presented and I went w.e. I think I made a horrible mistake thinking both Tumble and Skynx are town. I still hope Skynx is town though. But this case is pretty opportunistic. But maybe it had to be made. I will still be looking to solve the game. So your option to read me are: a) mafia trying to lead town to the wrong path. Using good/decent arguments throughout the game. b) town trying to lead town to the right path. Using good/decent arguments throughout the game. alas I totally admit I was wrong on both Kruppe and Kush. That's a sly line. If you're not town reading me for pointing out crucial mistakes from a town pillar I don't know what makes me town. This is not you Koshi. I had a solid D1, both kush and Palmar were my townreads and I pushed agaisnt kush lynch when it was still in discussion. I had no reason to townread kush when the only main argument on why he's scum, by Grack was based on tone and I pushed grack for it. Now I only have to figure out who are your teammates. This seems very hasty. Having kush and palmar as town is really no town credit at all, since they were both at least somewhat ambiguous. More leans towards TMI for me. Good post. Touting your play from day 1 due to townreads on Kush/Palmar is crap. You were fine with lynching Palmar, and you didn't offer a stunning defense of Kushm4sta either. You aren't getting any credit for this. Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 03:24 Skynx wrote:
Well, we can lynch one of Palmar/haze i guess?
Why did you guys claim anyway? Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 04:31 Skynx wrote:On July 22 2016 04:19 Tumblewood wrote:
before I say that though I guess I should read DC's filter
@skynx why are you not lynching rels or kush? I have my reasons. + Show Spoiler +jk, I feel like kush has been ok and I liked some of the stuff rels pointed out in his second activity period.
Cuz they claimed. It was a joke. You are trying way too hard to scumread me.
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+ Palmar was killed. It was a very weird shot. But his scumread at EOD1 was Tumble. It's another scum indicator for Tumble.
This is more weak because Palmar is a strong player and NK are WIFOM by nature.
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On July 23 2016 04:32 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 04:21 Skynx wrote:On July 23 2016 04:15 Tumblewood wrote:
partner is within grack/sl/sknyx(?)/ec(?)/really long shot prplhz
everyone else is more or less confirmed town in my mind You got this. what do you mean by this
Koshi/Grack/SL
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Tumble explain your scumread on me
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