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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
July 22 2016 19:46 GMT
#1301
On July 23 2016 04:43 Rels wrote:
The reasonning is simple.
Tumble tunneled me the last game we played together. We were both town. He had a thoughtful reasonning as to why I was scum, but he was super wrong. Nevertheless he tunneled me and lost the game when mafia piled the votes on me.
He said post game he was going to work on his tunnel.
But he's doing the opposite this game. He's tunneling me so much this game that he's scumreading Koshi uniquely because "Rels is scum". Apart from that he gave 0 reason as to why I'm scum.
Scum scum scum

are you honestly scumreading someone because you think they're doing something dumb and tunneling? just because I said something postgame two games ago I won't give up my reads because they're fucking right.
good times for all
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 22 2016 19:47 GMT
#1302
On July 22 2016 23:40 Skynx wrote:
You guys should lynch Koshi, Grack, SL in this order. Cop should check kruppe and Luna.

emperor, haze, rels are always town.

Now I'm confused. You're lynching Koshi because he didn't have the balls to lynch Rels, but you think Rels is town?
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 22 2016 19:48 GMT
#1303
On July 23 2016 04:45 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:26 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 22 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 22 2016 23:25 Skynx wrote:
On July 22 2016 22:55 Koshi wrote:
On July 22 2016 21:30 Skynx wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
You guys have to understand one thing about Koshi. His votes never come out of nowhere. There is always some deep analysis behind them.

His kush vote came exactly out of nothing. Absolutely nothing. Koshi never does that.
His only interaction with kush in this game: he tells him to read my filter.

This is his opinion on kush, the only one.
On July 21 2016 23:24 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 23:20 Grackaroni wrote:
I still think Kush has a good chance of being mafia, but it's pretty clear by now that nobody else thinks so and I don't think there's much I can do about that.

Kush changed his playstyle. If he is looking at the right place he shouldn't be lynched until he shows face.


Then grack starts the train.
On July 22 2016 06:12 Koshi wrote:
meh. It is possible.

On July 22 2016 06:12 Koshi wrote:
##Vote: Kushm4sta


He always always shows his opinion on why people are scum or should be lynched.
On July 22 2016 06:36 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 06:34 Rels wrote:
On July 22 2016 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Rels you got meta on DCW?

No.
I'm not even 100% convinced he's scum. But he's the more likely to flip scum.

Why is Kush town?

He never says why kush is mafia to start with. Instead he defends his vote this way. This is not how he plays, never.

On July 22 2016 06:51 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 06:49 DCWasabi wrote:
Why are people even trying to lynch me?

I have posted honestly and tried to figure things out, tho it isn't easy and I was pretty damn active early on/

Well if Kush isn't mafia and you aren't mafia, then mafia are the people that people don't like lynching even though they are not being top town. aka Palmar and sl etc

There are also other stuff.

To answer the case on me.

I agree the lynch was terrible. I failed on the Kruppe read once more and was looking for a better lynch. Kush was presented and I went w.e.

I think I made a horrible mistake thinking both Tumble and Skynx are town. I still hope Skynx is town though. But this case is pretty opportunistic. But maybe it had to be made.

I will still be looking to solve the game. So your option to read me are:
a) mafia trying to lead town to the wrong path. Using good/decent arguments throughout the game.
b) town trying to lead town to the right path. Using good/decent arguments throughout the game.

alas I totally admit I was wrong on both Kruppe and Kush.

That's a sly line. If you're not town reading me for pointing out crucial mistakes from a town pillar I don't know what makes me town. This is not you Koshi.
I had a solid D1, both kush and Palmar were my townreads and I pushed agaisnt kush lynch when it was still in discussion. I had no reason to townread kush when the only main argument on why he's scum, by Grack was based on tone and I pushed grack for it.

Now I only have to figure out who are your teammates.


This seems very hasty. Having kush and palmar as town is really no town credit at all, since they were both at least somewhat ambiguous. More leans towards TMI for me.

Good post. Touting your play from day 1 due to townreads on Kush/Palmar is crap.

You were fine with lynching Palmar, and you didn't offer a stunning defense of Kushm4sta either. You aren't getting any credit for this.
On July 22 2016 03:24 Skynx wrote:
Well, we can lynch one of Palmar/haze i guess?
Why did you guys claim anyway?

On July 22 2016 04:31 Skynx wrote:
On July 22 2016 04:19 Tumblewood wrote:
before I say that though I guess I should read DC's filter
@skynx why are you not lynching rels or kush?

I have my reasons.

+ Show Spoiler +
jk, I feel like kush has been ok and I liked some of the stuff rels pointed out in his second activity period.


Cuz they claimed. It was a joke. You are trying way too hard to scumread me.

I mean they were not serious, not my intention. When two people cc eachother you find it natural to lynch one of them.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 22 2016 19:49 GMT
#1304
On July 23 2016 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 23:40 Skynx wrote:
You guys should lynch Koshi, Grack, SL in this order. Cop should check kruppe and Luna.

emperor, haze, rels are always town.

Now I'm confused. You're lynching Koshi because he didn't have the balls to lynch Rels, but you think Rels is town?

Are you reading the thread at all? If you have been, you know why i wanna lynch Koshi......
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 22 2016 19:49 GMT
#1305
2nd vote on Rels and he's not even here today. Slow the fuck down. If we lynch somebody before I get a chance to go through this thread I am going to be pissed.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 19:50 GMT
#1306
Another point on tumble
His D1 was weak. Super weak. Especially EOD1.
I was AFK during a lazrge portion of D1. I got some votes on me, Tumble was part of it. When I come, instead of discussing with me he reacts like that:
On July 22 2016 04:17 Tumblewood wrote:
rels I saw a post (or maybe it was two, I can't remember) so you'd better spew town to keep from getting lynched

On July 22 2016 04:27 Tumblewood wrote:
okay I read DC's filter and content-wise it sucks but that's much less important than mindset for newbies and I think his mindset is town. rels sorry but you're getting lynched today. I don't see anyone who is a better option than you.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 19:50 GMT
#1307
On July 23 2016 04:46 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:43 Rels wrote:
The reasonning is simple.
Tumble tunneled me the last game we played together. We were both town. He had a thoughtful reasonning as to why I was scum, but he was super wrong. Nevertheless he tunneled me and lost the game when mafia piled the votes on me.
He said post game he was going to work on his tunnel.
But he's doing the opposite this game. He's tunneling me so much this game that he's scumreading Koshi uniquely because "Rels is scum". Apart from that he gave 0 reason as to why I'm scum.
Scum scum scum

are you honestly scumreading someone because you think they're doing something dumb and tunneling? just because I said something postgame two games ago I won't give up my reads because they're fucking right.

You have no read. You just have an endless tunnel.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 22 2016 19:50 GMT
#1308
Lynch me or Koshi. Not anyone else.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
July 22 2016 19:50 GMT
#1309
On July 23 2016 04:46 Rels wrote:
Tumble explain your scumread on me

first 24 hours: (nothing)
first posts: random shitty scumreads
EoD: throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks with lynches, but emphasizing dcwasabi who is and was obvious town
pretty clear-cut to me. you obviously don't and can't believe your reads because they're so weak and so all over the place.
good times for all
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 19:51 GMT
#1310
On July 23 2016 04:49 Grackaroni wrote:
2nd vote on Rels and he's not even here today. Slow the fuck down. If we lynch somebody before I get a chance to go through this thread I am going to be pissed.

Calm down ^^ 2 votes are not a lot and the day is still young.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 22 2016 19:51 GMT
#1311
On July 23 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 22 2016 23:40 Skynx wrote:
You guys should lynch Koshi, Grack, SL in this order. Cop should check kruppe and Luna.

emperor, haze, rels are always town.

Now I'm confused. You're lynching Koshi because he didn't have the balls to lynch Rels, but you think Rels is town?

Are you reading the thread at all? If you have been, you know why i wanna lynch Koshi......

For the reason I just said. You're lynching him for lynching Kush without reason instead of Rels. But why is that scummy if Rels is town?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 19:51 GMT
#1312
On July 23 2016 04:50 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:46 Rels wrote:
Tumble explain your scumread on me

first 24 hours: (nothing)
first posts: random shitty scumreads
EoD: throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks with lynches, but emphasizing dcwasabi who is and was obvious town
pretty clear-cut to me. you obviously don't and can't believe your reads because they're so weak and so all over the place.

What reads I "can't believe" ?
Why is DC "clear cut" town ?
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 22 2016 19:52 GMT
#1313
I am convinced either Koshi or Tumble is scum. I just don't know which...
Failure is not an option
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
July 22 2016 19:59 GMT
#1314
On July 23 2016 04:51 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:50 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:46 Rels wrote:
Tumble explain your scumread on me

first 24 hours: (nothing)
first posts: random shitty scumreads
EoD: throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks with lynches, but emphasizing dcwasabi who is and was obvious town
pretty clear-cut to me. you obviously don't and can't believe your reads because they're so weak and so all over the place.

What reads I "can't believe" ?
Why is DC "clear cut" town ?

like, all seventy of your scumreads. there is no way you came back to thread after afkness and had a very strong DC (aka dude with 100% town mindset) read and four other scumreads and you believed all of them.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
July 22 2016 20:00 GMT
#1315
On July 23 2016 04:52 Lunaticman wrote:
I am convinced either Koshi or Tumble is scum. I just don't know which...
i do
good times for all
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 22 2016 20:02 GMT
#1316
Skynx, who was Koshi saving by piling on to Kush?
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 22 2016 20:02 GMT
#1317
On July 23 2016 04:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 22 2016 23:40 Skynx wrote:
You guys should lynch Koshi, Grack, SL in this order. Cop should check kruppe and Luna.

emperor, haze, rels are always town.

Now I'm confused. You're lynching Koshi because he didn't have the balls to lynch Rels, but you think Rels is town?

Are you reading the thread at all? If you have been, you know why i wanna lynch Koshi......

For the reason I just said. You're lynching him for lynching Kush without reason instead of Rels. But why is that scummy if Rels is town?

No he swapped from Kruppe to kush. Rels wasn't involved at all. He said he was scared to vote Rels. Thats why Tumble's point is interesting.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 22 2016 20:03 GMT
#1318
Day 1 vote recap colored with flips

Please use it if you wanna check something.

nnn_thekushmountains (6): Grackaroni, Palmar Grackaroni, koshi, Palmar, sicklucker, Dcwasabi, prphlz
DCWasabi(3): Rels, Skynx, emperorchampion, Lunaticman
Rels (1): Prplhz, emperorchampion, Palmar, Lunaticma Tumblewood, prphlz
Kruppe the Eel(1): Koshi, Prplhz, Grackaroni, Skynx, Sicklucker
Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, Palmar
emperorchampion (1): [s]Lunaticman]/s], Tumblewood
Sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains
Palmar(0):: Lunaticman
Lunaticman(0): Skynx

Mm it will be a lot more interesting with a scum flip. A few things though.
My wagon was a "default" wagon, to push the game forward and see what happens. When I started posting seriously everyone jumped off it, apart from (1) Tumble tunneling me and (2) prp that jumped on me at the very end, before switching to kush. These are weird votes.
Kruppe's wagon started randomly and grew super fast. So fast that Kruppe had to claim to stop it. There is a good chance that there is at least one scum in it, jumping on the occasion. After all Kruppe was an easy scumread to push.
Finally, kush's wagon. I thought it had more votes difference with DC than that. Only 3 votes difference, and the last two votes appeared very close to the deadline (during the last 20 minutes). DC in particular only came back to the thread ~20 minutes before deadline. It's possible he planned on AFKing the lynch but feared being lynched after all and came back to the thread to vote.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 22 2016 20:04 GMT
#1319
On July 23 2016 05:02 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:51 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 22 2016 23:40 Skynx wrote:
You guys should lynch Koshi, Grack, SL in this order. Cop should check kruppe and Luna.

emperor, haze, rels are always town.

Now I'm confused. You're lynching Koshi because he didn't have the balls to lynch Rels, but you think Rels is town?

Are you reading the thread at all? If you have been, you know why i wanna lynch Koshi......

For the reason I just said. You're lynching him for lynching Kush without reason instead of Rels. But why is that scummy if Rels is town?

No he swapped from Kruppe to kush. Rels wasn't involved at all. He said he was scared to vote Rels. Thats why Tumble's point is interesting.

Are you now walking back your town read of Rels?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 22 2016 20:04 GMT
#1320
Tumble's point is that there is a Rels/Koshi scum team.
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