Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
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This game setup is open. There are 5 Vanilla town, one Mafia Goon and one Mafia Godfather in this game.
The game begins on Night 0. Mafia have a night kill, and town has a vigilante shot. All players may PM me the name of a player and the player with the majority vote will be killed. If the Godfather gets killed on Night 0, town wins the game immediately. Mafia can not shoot their own goon.
The game ends after Day 1. If town gets lynched, mafia wins the game. If mafia gets lynched, town wins the game. Both Night 0 and Day 1 will last for 48 hours.
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FAQ
Votes with :59 timestamp are counted, votes with :00 are not. Both the Night 0 and Day 1 phase will last for 48 hours. There will not be a vote count thread. There will be no information regarding votes of the Night 0 vigilante shot other than the flip. Plurality lynch. Mafia can NOT hold their shot.
So town has basically 2 lynches where they must find mafia (yes you can treat the N1 vigi as a lynch and if the town manages to find mafia they win even if it is not GF)? + Show Spoiler +
Town agrees to collectively decide who is the scummiest player, and at the end of day that player votes first. Everyone also agrees to vote for themselves. If the player who voted first doesn't die they are scum and you lynch them (there is no reason for a townie to not agree on that because shooting a townie is better than shooting a non-GF mafia.
On June 10 2016 10:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: So town has basically 2 lynches where they must find mafia (yes you can treat the N1 vigi as a lynch and if the town manages to find mafia they win even if it is not GF)? + Show Spoiler +
Town agrees to collectively decide who is the scummiest player, and at the end of day that player votes first. Everyone also agrees to vote for themselves. If the player who voted first doesn't die they are scum and you lynch them (there is no reason for a townie to not agree on that because shooting a townie is better than shooting a non-GF mafia.
this requires a lot of coordination, enough that even with only 5 townies or whatever it is, it's fairly difficult to pull off (particularly as not everyone will be around @ night end)
like maybe you do it halfway into the night and it would work...still hard though. Someone can fuck it up and then you're banking on the order having been correct. You'd have to post in the thread when you send your vote and that'd probably be the best way of confirming it.
On June 10 2016 10:34 wherebugsgo wrote: like maybe you do it halfway into the night and it would work...still hard though. Someone can fuck it up and then you're banking on the order having been correct. You'd have to post in the thread when you send your vote and that'd probably be the best way of confirming it.
Well obvs you just scumhunt for the first 24h and then decide the order. Hell even deciding a rng kill by this method is better than not having and plan at all lol.
On June 10 2016 10:36 iamperfection wrote: isnt town worst off by killing the goon on night 0. In fact shouldn't mafia just kill their own goon night 0?
On June 10 2016 10:36 iamperfection wrote: isnt town worst off by killing the goon on night 0. In fact shouldn't mafia just kill their own goon night 0?
I am gonna talk about the balance with Artanis tomorrow when i wake up since i am too tired right now (and i won't play this anyways).
But the fact is for both teams there are clearly superior plays (mechanically) that should always be done since it doesn't make any sense to disagree with it. I kinda don't like games like that personally, sure if someone wants to host one and people want to play be my guest. Just like in PYP's the best plan is to always massclaim and people are just too retarded to not do it almost every game. ^^
On June 10 2016 10:36 iamperfection wrote: isnt town worst off by killing the goon on night 0. In fact shouldn't mafia just kill their own goon night 0?
That actually was what I was referring to as I found a scum play :/
I guess the problum is, is that town can actually just keep that person alive and lynch him Day 1 for the win.
I actually am a bit amused that everyone is talking about the best plays for both sides in the pregame.
On June 11 2016 05:38 Shapelog wrote: I actually am a bit amused that everyone is talking about the best plays for both sides in the pregame.
If the game is imbalanced it should be sorted out in pre-game. There is no reason to let the game roll and make players play / use time on a game that is unwinnable (or almost unwinnable) for one side.
Like i said, if people wanna play a game where town has basically 2 lynches to first figure out 2/7 chance of hitting scum and then 1/5 (assuming scum could even shoot themselves) that gives town 42,85% chance of winning the game with randomly lynching/shooting someone. Do you think it is fair for mafia? I don't.
On June 11 2016 05:38 Shapelog wrote: I actually am a bit amused that everyone is talking about the best plays for both sides in the pregame.
If the game is imbalanced it should be sorted out in pre-game. There is no reason to let the game roll and make players play / use time on a game that is unwinnable (or almost unwinnable) for one side.
Like i said, if people wanna play a game where town has basically 2 lynches to first figure out 2/7 chance of hitting scum and then 1/5 (assuming scum could even shoot themselves) that gives town 42,85% chance of winning the game with randomly lynching/shooting someone. Do you think it is fair for mafia? I don't.
No, its not.
I have a question,
Couldn't town force all the players to say who they are going to shoot, and then make a VC (unofficial) and purposely make it tied?
Then, if the first person to vote gets lynched, you know that the 3 people on it are all town. If it doesn't, you know that at least 1 out of the 3 people on that wagon are scum.
In senerio 1, Town gets to operate off of 3/5 or 2/5 confirm town lynch pool. Making the pool either 2 (which would be both mafia) or 2 mafia + 1 townie.
In Senerio 2, Town knows that at least 1 person out of three people are scum. Assuming that indeed only 1 is scum, and none of the 3 are killed. Town also would have the 3 people on the second wagon as confirm town (if they won acourse). Town has a lynch pool of either the 3 people in the top lynch (it being 1/3) or, if the person who voted off wagon is still alive, a 1 person lynch pool.
It is just best to make an order in which people vote and then everyone (who is town) agrees to vote for themselves. If the guy who got picked up as most scummiest -> vote first, doesn't die you just lynch him and win the game because he is mafia (as scum has no votes).
If he is town, then you are in a "normal" D1.
EDIT: I didn't think about it further, it's possible that what you are suggesting gives even better chances of winning for town.
Basically, if scum have no night vigi votes, the game is always gonna be broken, that's the first thing to fix. Maybe voting should also be majority, as in, everyone has votes and only 4 or more votes on a same person gets them shot. That way there is WIFOM about why mafia didn't wanna get someone killed (are they scum or is it just WIFOM) in case the dude doesn't die (if town is dumb enough to not decide on a target).
Town should basically always agree to reveal votes anyways, and should always vote for the same (and only one) person, regardless of their read on them. The only bad thing is to hit a Goon because other shots make town's job easier in LYLO (less targets) or straight out win the game (hit GF).
Making people not able to vote for themselves also doesn't seem to fix that either. As you just get the 2nd most scummiest person to vote for the top scummiest person and vice versta. If top person dies, town goes into now normal Day 1, with a confirm person. If not, then obv. the 2nd person is scum. If it goes too the 3rd person voted, both are scum.
Perhaps the fix is to make it to where scum vote's count for the vig. this also help to prevent the random 1/7 chance, since mafia can mutilate it?
Also scum should not be able to shoot themselves because if that's the case the best play is literally for the goon to claim goon at the start of the game and post nothing more whole game - and GF to shoot him. That's kinda boring if you joined to play a game of mafia.
I would suggest: - give scum vigi votes - make night vigi majority - scum are not able to shoot themselves
EDIT: That way the goon basically needs to try to play scummy enough to get shot but not scummy enough to be figured out as a goon in which case town doesnt shoot him and just lynches him on D2 for the win.
On June 11 2016 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also scum should not be able to shoot themselves because if that's the case the best play is literally for the goon to claim goon at the start of the game and post nothing more whole game - and GF to shoot him. That's kinda boring if you joined to play a game of mafia.
I would suggest: - give scum vigi votes - make night vigi majority - scum are not able to shoot themselves
EDIT: That way the goon basically needs to try to play scummy enough to get shot but not scummy enough to be figured out as a goon in which case town doesnt shoot him and just lynches him on D2 for the win.
claiming goon would be bad now town know not to vig that guy.
I think if you turn the goon into a 3p jester you dont have to change anything else and have a perfect setup.
On June 11 2016 12:47 iamperfection wrote: claiming goon would be bad now town know not to vig that guy.
Yes, that's kinda the point.
I think if you turn the goon into a 3p jester you dont have to change anything else and have a perfect setup.
Sure but the idea Artanis had imo is that there is two mafia and the GF needs to avoid getting shot on N0 (and in a perfect world the goon wants to get shot) and then both mafia need to avoid the lynch. If that is the core mechanic of the game i don't really think changing the core of the game to balance it is the way to do it.
I mean, exaggeratedly speaking you could also make it a normal 13 player game with 2-3 town blues and 1-2 mafia blues and it would be balanced, if you get what i mean.
+ jester is the dumbest role ever in forum mafia, and having only 1 mafia kinda defeats the purpose of scumhunting since there are no connections so you can't actually "figure out scum" in a scumhunting-kinda-way...
On June 11 2016 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also scum should not be able to shoot themselves because if that's the case the best play is literally for the goon to claim goon at the start of the game and post nothing more whole game - and GF to shoot him. That's kinda boring if you joined to play a game of mafia.
I would suggest: - give scum vigi votes - make night vigi majority - scum are not able to shoot themselves
EDIT: That way the goon basically needs to try to play scummy enough to get shot but not scummy enough to be figured out as a goon in which case town doesnt shoot him and just lynches him on D2 for the win.
Implementing this and calling it a day . Also making you cohost.
I think if you turn the goon into a 3p jester you dont have to change anything else and have a perfect setup.
Sure but the idea Artanis had imo is that there is two mafia and the GF needs to avoid getting shot on N0 (and in a perfect world the goon wants to get shot) and then both mafia need to avoid the lynch.
Yup, this is kinda what I'm going for. I feel it makes the goon quite an interesting role.
On June 17 2016 18:21 Superbia wrote: What kind of board games do you play rayn?
Resistance, sometimes one night werewolf (but that's really not a "skilled game", just for funzies because it is quite imba), Love letter, 4-player card games like Tichu, ummm... Escape, Ticket to Ride, anything basically...
Netrunner if we only have two people waiting for others to arrive.
It is a co-op temple run game where you have to get diamonds and get the fuck out of the temple before time runs out (there is an app for tablet for it).
You need certain symbols on dices to unlock more of the temple and to move and if you roll a certain symbol the die gets "locked" unless you (or someone else in the same room) rolls an unlock one. You are allowed to roll as fast as you possibly can and you don't have to roll all the dices at once if you don't want to.
On June 17 2016 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is a co-op temple run game where you have to get diamonds and get the fuck out of the temple before time runs out (there is an app for tablet for it).
You need certain symbols on dices to unlock more of the temple and to move and if you roll a certain symbol the die gets "locked" unless you (or someone else in the same room) rolls an unlock one. You are allowed to roll as fast as you possibly can and you don't have to roll all the dices at once if you don't want to.
On June 17 2016 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is a co-op temple run game where you have to get diamonds and get the fuck out of the temple before time runs out (there is an app for tablet for it).
You need certain symbols on dices to unlock more of the temple and to move and if you roll a certain symbol the die gets "locked" unless you (or someone else in the same room) rolls an unlock one. You are allowed to roll as fast as you possibly can and you don't have to roll all the dices at once if you don't want to.
On June 17 2016 18:43 Superbia wrote: Wtf. That sounds pretty hectic. How do you keep track of that with 4 players? Seems like you would miss a lot of cool moments.
well... as well as you can :D sometimes people do dumb shit because they are rolling too fast and not looking at the board at all.
Giving the launch another try. If we get enough signups to start by the end of the week, we'll play. This game will not be following the banlist thread.
till end of Night. All players must submit a vigilante shot, and if a majority is reached on any one player that player will be shot. Mafia must submit a night kill before EoN. They may not kill their own goon.
Super, anti-koshi in the sense he rarely rolls town .....Ryan Yammy...Noir savior the evil R-rated girl (host is her lover, possible scum) Copcake, Sounds like a name for a prono Skynet, operational?
On June 18 2016 07:32 rsoultin wrote: i'm not sure what i am :/
Check them PMs? :D
Lex is personally delivering it prob.
Rsoul, Can you dress him up in a mailman and post it on TL fourm as quick as you can?
o.0 we still have an ocean between us? why do you want him to be a mailman?
ik,
He is driving his snow covered mail truck from the netherlands, trying to get you your role PM! He has to overcome Frostbite, American tourist, and worse of all, a french guy name RELS. Then you too meet, and he gives your role PM, and it is all dramatic and stuff, and then BOOM. Out of no where, a vig shoots you in the head. He falls onto his knees and screams NOoooooooo.
He then unleashes his certain skills and kills the vig via MK.
At least that is what I make of the script for this movie. I need him as a mailman to see if it will work.
On June 18 2016 07:47 rsoultin wrote: i'm bored ^^ i'll come back later when we can beat rayns with raynsticks of doom
ciao!
You now, and this is prob. useless. But being bored and ^^ing is not something I expect someone bored to do. Like "Well I am bored :/...." Not "I'm bored ^^"
Emjoi tone is off.
On June 18 2016 07:59 Superbia wrote: Going to sleep soon btws, just lurking a bit and watching doto esl replays
So it is like Go, but more RPGish then moba like? I mean, If it doesn't have at this point dragons, then I am going to be pissed.
Or is their a Esport that plays about Doto the organism? According to google, It is a genus of dendronotid sea slug, a nudibranch in the Family Dotidae. This genus feeds on hydroids, as reflected by its serrated radula.
Doesn't sound interesting. Not as interesting as underwater basket weaving def.
On June 18 2016 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: cake, did you guys roll a chick team?
why do you think I am mafia? this is strange, I mean the first thing you do is to protect me from all people that believes I am mafia, I am going to assume it was part of you being drunk.
On June 18 2016 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: cake, did you guys roll a chick team?
why do you think I am mafia? this is strange, I mean the first thing you do is to protect me from all people that believes I am mafia, I am going to assume it was part of you being drunk.
What does this mean? Why would i protect you from people who might think you are mafia when you have not made a single post?
In what terms similar? I actually glanced over Superbia's filter from the newbie game you are referring here and i thought he was scum because - in addition to the nightkill stuff i talked in about in the thread - he seemed to say a lot of stuff (especially on D1) that lead nowhere, which is closer to his scumplay (or at least i thought it is).
Have you taken a look at any games he has played as mafia? I mean if you want to base a read on someone based on meta you should have references from both alignments, otherwise the argument doesn't really hold water. idk if you even are making an argument or not tbh.
I don't really find nothing too out pf place except for the stuff i asked about, and idk what those things mean yet because i havent gotten my answers. I don't actually think rsoultin is scum since idk why drunk rayn thought being trolly could make her mafia and sober rayn doesnt agree with drunk rayn and drunk rayn is not here to explain the read to sober rayn. Maybe he will tonight
You always assume I am town Rayn. There was a game in which you and Yamato hard claimed I was town when I was mafia and I dont remember a post of yours questioning me ever in my life before i posted.
You mean in the post where yamato suggests that me nad rsoultin are town (assuming he thinks he himself is town) and for some reason has come to conclusion that me and rsoultin are gonna "battle it out" and that's gonna be the name of the game? The post is literally all over the place and doesn't make any sense at all.
The way of reading yamato is to see if he has some sort of thought process, i don't even have to understand where he is trying to get -- i just have to see he is trying to get somewhere (scumhunting wise) and that post by yamato is definitely not trying to get anywhere because all it says is a suggestion that for some arbitary reason me and rsoultin are going to be on each others necks. Honestly, that is the scummiest thing i find in the game because it doesn't make any sense to group up two people like that for no real reason.
Why does Superbia sound normal? The only thing Superbia has said is basically meta townread on Shapelog based on a game he doesn't apparently remember how Shapelog played in. Super weak...
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
I mean this is Superbia's reasoning why Shapelog is town. Why so uncertain? The way he presents the argument suggests that he isn't even sure how Shapelog played in the game he is basing the meta on which then suggests that the whole argument is bs.
Lol nah rayn is actually giving me some town vibes with how he was talking to the newbie ^^
Tbf you usually do give your girl free passes though rayn so I can see why she'd key in on that
Hm...I wasn't ready to rule out super or anything but I didn't see anything particularly shimmy about his interactions with shape and myself raynstick man...he looked like he was actually trying to pull something out of the early interactions?
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
I mean this is Superbia's reasoning why Shapelog is town. Why so uncertain? The way he presents the argument suggests that he isn't even sure how Shapelog played in the game he is basing the meta on which then suggests that the whole argument is bs.
On June 18 2016 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well you and i both know why i am hesitant to townread her because we just talked about it a day or so ago.
lol yeah i get it ^^ i'm just saying i can see why that's her focus since you have to admit it's abnormal for you not to just be like <3s cake! my cakey! so town the cake!
lolol >< lexy on the other hand seems perfectly capable of believing i'm evil...always...
bueno, i'm gonna let super answer your question/suspicion-y thingy...and when i'm done being lazy i maaaay try to figure out what read the newbie was referring to lol
Yeah i am not accusing her of having that view. I am just saying it's simply incorrect. If she chooses to believe that or not is up to her.
Although, i do not agree with the assessment of me being bad to read her. There have been exactly 2 games where Cake has been scum and i have been town, and once she was super obviously scum. The other time was the game where she was referring to where me and yamato read her as town because she called townies town and mafia mafia. That's usually a town trait yes? Calling the right people scum. Just because her and Moosy and to some extent Glowingbear decided to all bus each other from the beginning and there was no coordination between the scumteam. It's really hard to tell that kinda bussing from townie behavior. Every single other time i have correctly read her.
Sooo... I understand it can be a matter of me townreading her too easily, but it could also be that i am actually good at reading her. Trying to argue one or the other is right or wrong is just bs because there is simply not enough evidence.
This is to say that you should not write my read on her off as "you're bad at reading her", and you can keep me accountable of my read.
rsoultin what's your read on yamato? Any thoughts on what i brought up? You are in a unique position like me in a sense that you have more information as you and me both know 100% that we are not both mafia.
On June 18 2016 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i am not accusing her of having that view. I am just saying it's simply incorrect. If she chooses to believe that or not is up to her.
Although, i do not agree with the assessment of me being bad to read her. There have been exactly 2 games where Cake has been scum and i have been town, and once she was super obviously scum. The other time was the game where she was referring to where me and yamato read her as town because she called townies town and mafia mafia. That's usually a town trait yes? Calling the right people scum. Just because her and Moosy and to some extent Glowingbear decided to all bus each other from the beginning and there was no coordination between the scumteam. It's really hard to tell that kinda bussing from townie behavior. Every single other time i have correctly read her.
Sooo... I understand it can be a matter of me townreading her too easily, but it could also be that i am actually good at reading her. Trying to argue one or the other is right or wrong is just bs because there is simply not enough evidence.
This is to say that you should not write my read on her off as "you're bad at reading her", and you can keep me accountable of my read.
lol rayn ^^ i'm not writing off your read. i care more about how you get to reads and what you do with them, though
pues, tbh i don't know about yamato? he's not really a pocket read of mine, and i don't have a great record with him. like i can poke at him but i don't know if what i got would be anything that i could get a read off of lol ><
On June 18 2016 22:57 CopCake wrote: I havent called you scum yet tho, i said it was weird.
I also have to say i don't like this. Noone except me can both have cake and eat it. So if you are scum you can turn this into a way it best suits so, and i won't allow that. So which is it? Is it scummy or not?
On June 18 2016 23:50 rsoultin wrote: pues, tbh i don't know about yamato? he's not really a pocket read of mine, and i don't have a great record with him. like i can poke at him but i don't know if what i got would be anything that i could get a read off of lol ><
Do you think it makes sense that he basically called us town and the sentence before said he thinks the game will probably evolve into one of me and you getting lynched?
On June 18 2016 23:50 rsoultin wrote: pues, tbh i don't know about yamato? he's not really a pocket read of mine, and i don't have a great record with him. like i can poke at him but i don't know if what i got would be anything that i could get a read off of lol ><
Do you think it makes sense that he basically called us town and the sentence before said he thinks the game will probably evolve into one of me and you getting lynched?
lol we do have pretty recent history of tunneling the shit out of each other, and it could just be alluding to that? basically i have no reason to have a strong read on him one way or the other...which is why he hasn't made it into my list of people i don't think we should shoot
one thing that's bugging me was he was here but didn't seem to say much of anything, though
On June 18 2016 23:50 rsoultin wrote: pues, tbh i don't know about yamato? he's not really a pocket read of mine, and i don't have a great record with him. like i can poke at him but i don't know if what i got would be anything that i could get a read off of lol ><
Do you think it makes sense that he basically called us town and the sentence before said he thinks the game will probably evolve into one of me and you getting lynched?
lol we do have pretty recent history of tunneling the shit out of each other, and it could just be alluding to that? basically i have no reason to have a strong read on him one way or the other...which is why he hasn't made it into my list of people i don't think we should shoot
one thing that's bugging me was he was here but didn't seem to say much of anything, though
I am not sure if i believe yamato as town would make such conclusion from my drunken ramblings.. He should also be good enough to know that what i (or anyone) have done in past games doesn't necessarily translate into further games.
On June 18 2016 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: If he is not calling us both town then why is he going to lose when one of us gets killed? Unless he ofc assumes he is mafia himself...
i get your point ^^ i'd be fine shooting him tonight lol but no, i'm not sure it's enough to make him definitively scum
let's see what he says! \o/
i'm more curious why cake has such a strong townread on him tbh
That sounds like Waveofshadow dumbass "oh boy not this again" which brushes away a scumread for any reason on him. I mean, a weak way to brush off a read or make a conclusion on something based on things that have not even happened because "sometimes that has happened before".
bleh.. idk how to explain it really, hope you get what i am saying.
It's not a reactive read (which is what townies do), something happens -> you make a read out of it. This is like proactive, "i assume something will happen so i am making the conclusions beforehand". That's what mafia does, or pushes. I think we can both agree that in case me and you are both town us fighting against each other is not productive. yamato seems to be saying he thinks both of us are town. Why is he trying to promote such atmosphere? I can't really think of any other reasoning for that post.
On June 19 2016 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: That sounds like Waveofshadow dumbass "oh boy not this again" which brushes away a scumread for any reason on him. I mean, a weak way to brush off a read or make a conclusion on something based on things that have not even happened because "sometimes that has happened before".
bleh.. idk how to explain it really, hope you get what i am saying.
yeah i do lol he's on my LIST
you and shape are not
...
you should play heroes with me and lexy so he stops giving me the irritated why are you distracted when i'm TALKING TO YOU! look lol
On June 19 2016 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Once more.
It's not a reactive read (which is what townies do), something happens -> you make a read out of it. This is like proactive, "i assume something will happen so i am making the conclusions beforehand". That's what mafia does, or pushes. I think we can both agree that in case me and you are both town us fighting against each other is not productive. yamato seems to be saying he thinks both of us are town. Why is he trying to promote such atmosphere? I can't really think of any other reasoning for that post.
lol yeah i see what you're saying here...i'll kill a yama with you!
seriously though >> he's gonna eat me :/ and i haven't even had breakfast yet
Shape whatever gave me bad vibres because he is trying to be funny and feels comfortable with the people around even if sups hasnt or has barely played with him (she said it) and anyone who uses naruto is evil even with the inos.
Sups tone doesnt feel fake, feels normal
I think Yamato wants to look at us like a kid looks at a fishtank or that is the impression i got.
Actually a quick glance to Shapelog's Storm filter (as scum) and from what i remember suggests that he is like... having a more hard time to entering the game as town then he does as mafia and that leads to him being more trolly and fluffy.
Well I didn't pick up anything interesting other than that Yamato post. I agree with ryan on fact that its not reactive. Its almost too wifom to be scum, if not just a very pointless post from town perspective.
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
I mean this is Superbia's reasoning why Shapelog is town. Why so uncertain? The way he presents the argument suggests that he isn't even sure how Shapelog played in the game he is basing the meta on which then suggests that the whole argument is bs.
The way it read off to me was that he was being like "From that game. Where you were scum? and I was 3rdparty? Thats why motherfucker."
It is weak reason though, not for the fact that he doesn't remember or what not, but because why not quote when I played town with him (even tho i was smurfing)? Why not that.
Also, what about that game makes him think I am town and not scum.
On June 19 2016 00:40 CopCake wrote: Huh, I am town.
Shape whatever gave me bad vibres because he is trying to be funny and feels comfortable with the people around even if sups hasnt or has barely played with him (she said it) and anyone who uses naruto is evil even with the inos.
Sups tone doesnt feel fake, feels normal
I think Yamato wants to look at us like a kid looks at a fishtank or that is the impression i got.
I mean he(her?) has played 2 games with me, 1 scum, 1 town. So this is my third game. I mean, why else would he(her) try to meta read me, if they haven't played enough games with me?
What about a fishtank and kiuds? That doesn't work out too well in my experience.
Also @I think Ryan,
People say I have a hard time starting, yet, at least as a poster, I don't. I usually have a BAD start post, but I have no trouble posting or starting as either alignment IMO.
I believe we talked about that in some games obs qt no? I remember you having hard time to figure out what to look for early (not really hard time posting in itself) and i think that shows. I mean as scum i have recently noticed you are ... How to say it... You look more informed than as town, in a sense that as scum you "know what to talk about" and i feel like you are not just trying to figure out things from scratch.
On June 19 2016 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I believe we talked about that in some games obs qt no? I remember you having hard time to figure out what to look for early (not really hard time posting in itself) and i think that shows. I mean as scum i have recently noticed you are ... How to say it... You look more informed than as town, in a sense that as scum you "know what to talk about" and i feel like you are not just trying to figure out things from scratch.
And i think it is definitely different here.
I have a hard time finding what to do and go after in the first few days. yes. I thought you meant as a 1st post, as I know people like tumble and others have committed based off of 1st entrance posts. I would agree I know what to do more so as scum then town. Mainly it is easier for me to paint people scum, then to figureout why they are scum for what they posted.
On June 18 2016 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Skynx, Tina = rsoultin.
Coolio
On June 18 2016 15:36 rsoultin wrote: also shape can be town ^^ at least for the night lol
This makes me think of my "he's not scummy (yet)" post from last game huehuehue
^ actually you can help me skynx a lynx...i don't know what you're referencing here lol
disregard...I found it -rolls around the thread-
what do you think about skynx, shape? I'm actually thinking the cluelessness looks a bit different from the newbie game but I only skimmed ^^
Honestly, it is too early (as in, not enough stuff in the thread) for me to compare it. Newbie-student-mafia XXI had a very strong start, with a lot to go off of. This doesn't.
If we weren't to take that into consideration, then he is townish for actually not pushing a agenda via the means of big posts and trying to actively paint people as scum early on.
On June 19 2016 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Skynx can be town too. I'll explain when sauna is over.
Why are you in a sauna?
Are you trying to get slimer to audition for my Mailman movie? If so, I let you know that all they do is slightly burn you, and only maybe take 2 pounds off.
On June 19 2016 04:58 rsoultin wrote: Lol I'm actually really cool with a vig shot between yama/cake right now ^^
Pretty comfortable w/ rayn/shape town and super and skynx feel townish to me, though those aren't the strongest reads
I can understand yammy, but can you restate why cake is?
Also, This is something kinda debatable I been wanting to ask.
Should we actually keep Someone we think is scummy alive? Should we risk it? The Postie is that if we are right, we win the game. The negative is that if we wrong we lose, and it be harder to admit we are wrong about (as mafia in this case would be pushing us to lynch X)
On June 19 2016 04:58 rsoultin wrote: Lol I'm actually really cool with a vig shot between yama/cake right now ^^
Pretty comfortable w/ rayn/shape town and super and skynx feel townish to me, though those aren't the strongest reads
I can understand yammy, but can you restate why cake is?
Also, This is something kinda debatable I been wanting to ask.
Should we actually keep Someone we think is scummy alive? Should we risk it? The Postie is that if we are right, we win the game. The negative is that if we wrong we lose, and it be harder to admit we are wrong about (as mafia in this case would be pushing us to lynch X)
What do you think about it Rsoul/anyone else?
I was actually thinking about this. Shooting town N0 increases chances of picking mafia for lynch from 16% to 33%, meanwhile 1 wrong vote means loss. Would scum wanting to both vote for same person make them stick out is what I'm really wondering tho.
On June 19 2016 02:09 yamato77 wrote: My post was more an existential crisis than any attempt at forming a read.
I'll be around later.
I would still like you to explain the post. I mean you are not just putting random words after each other right? From what i see the post clearly says something and i would like to know what the true intention of the post is in case my interpretation of it is wrong.
I also want Superbia to talk. Answer me, and talk. Idk how anyone can townread him here. If there is a reason please explain, anyone? I don't see any reasons to townread him atm, in fact atm i would be leaning to the other side more...
This is just what i was talking about earlier..
On June 18 2016 22:57 CopCake wrote: I havent called you scum yet tho, i said it was weird.
On June 19 2016 01:28 CopCake wrote: Hello rsoultin talk to me and tell me when you think rayn is mafia.
Which is it? What changed between those posts? Because the later post clearly implies that you think i am mafia. Also why do you direct the question to rsoultin, who is the other person you are supposedly scumreading atm, since you had no complaints about the Shapelog meta point that was debunked. Or if you do, why didn't you say anything? I mean what are you trying to achieve by basically telling your scumread to scumread your other scumread when you know (or at least should know) that rsoultin is not even scumreading me?
I think Skynx is town because when i "pushed" him for reads he didn't make anything up. I would expect that a newer player as scum would have felt the need to give me something so they don't look like a "non-contributor", especially when i had JUST made a set of posts where i clearly imply at least i have something to work with in the game. He could have jumped on yamato, Superbia, or even rsoultin (the read i hadn't clarified yet) or question me about those reads (especially the rsoultin one). Basically the only way i see him being mafia atm is if he is mafia exactly with rsoultin and rsoultin is the GF. But first of all i don't think rsoultin is mafia and second the whole thing is so far fetched i am not going further into that since there is no reason to assume that and the easiest explanation is that he is just town.
To Shapelog. Technically the correct play is what you were asking yes. The problem however is that in case we miss shooting the GF the bias is basically gonna be too much and we end up deciding the lynch in the first 48 hours, which is also bad. We should be aiming for the GF ofc, but just because someone is "too scummy to be GF" they should not get a pass. I think it's best to just play it straight up and shoot a scumym person and then lynch another scummy person based on more evidence. Cute tricks usually end up fucking the town more than they are gonna achieve. Just keep it simple.
On June 19 2016 04:58 rsoultin wrote: Lol I'm actually really cool with a vig shot between yama/cake right now ^^
Pretty comfortable w/ rayn/shape town and super and skynx feel townish to me, though those aren't the strongest reads
I can understand yammy, but can you restate why cake is?
Also, This is something kinda debatable I been wanting to ask.
Should we actually keep Someone we think is scummy alive? Should we risk it? The Postie is that if we are right, we win the game. The negative is that if we wrong we lose, and it be harder to admit we are wrong about (as mafia in this case would be pushing us to lynch X)
What do you think about it Rsoul/anyone else?
I was actually thinking about this. Shooting town N0 increases chances of picking mafia for lynch from 16% to 33%, meanwhile 1 wrong vote means loss. Would scum wanting to both vote for same person make them stick out is what I'm really wondering tho.
Not if the thread thinks the person is scum. Mafia would blend in.
On June 18 2016 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Skynx, Tina = rsoultin.
Coolio
On June 18 2016 15:36 rsoultin wrote: also shape can be town ^^ at least for the night lol
This makes me think of my "he's not scummy (yet)" post from last game huehuehue
^ actually you can help me skynx a lynx...i don't know what you're referencing here lol
disregard...I found it -rolls around the thread-
what do you think about skynx, shape? I'm actually thinking the cluelessness looks a bit different from the newbie game but I only skimmed ^^
Perfect! That had some context and i didnt feel like linkinh the whole thing.
Huh? I am confused about this sentence now?
I think Skynx is town because when i "pushed" him for reads he didn't make anything up. I would expect that a newer player as scum would have felt the need to give me something so they don't look like a "non-contributor", especially when i had JUST made a set of posts where i clearly imply at least i have something to work with in the game. He could have jumped on yamato, Superbia, or even rsoultin (the read i hadn't clarified yet) or question me about those reads (especially the rsoultin one). Basically the only way i see him being mafia atm is if he is mafia exactly with rsoultin and rsoultin is the GF. But first of all i don't think rsoultin is mafia and second the whole thing is so far fetched i am not going further into that since there is no reason to assume that and the easiest explanation is that he is just town.
To Shapelog. Technically the correct play is what you were asking yes. The problem however is that in case we miss shooting the GF the bias is basically gonna be too much and we end up deciding the lynch in the first 48 hours, which is also bad. We should be aiming for the GF ofc, but just because someone is "too scummy to be GF" they should not get a pass. I think it's best to just play it straight up and shoot a scumym person and then lynch another scummy person based on more evidence. Cute tricks usually end up fucking the town more than they are gonna achieve. Just keep it simple.
You might be right about skynx, I might move him up the list a bit.
Yeah, the bias is what I partially worry about it. I feel like it would be a tad bit easy for mafia to take control of that and for it to snowball.
Like even if we end up shooting the goon there is still scum alive who is basically forced to make a bullshit read on someone on D1, and can be figured out. That's why it is crucial people play starting for the beginning. That we already have the most possible amount of reads / info before the day starts.
On June 19 2016 04:58 rsoultin wrote: Lol I'm actually really cool with a vig shot between yama/cake right now ^^
Pretty comfortable w/ rayn/shape town and super and skynx feel townish to me, though those aren't the strongest reads
I can understand yammy, but can you restate why cake is?
Also, This is something kinda debatable I been wanting to ask.
Should we actually keep Someone we think is scummy alive? Should we risk it? The Postie is that if we are right, we win the game. The negative is that if we wrong we lose, and it be harder to admit we are wrong about (as mafia in this case would be pushing us to lynch X)
What do you think about it Rsoul/anyone else?
I was actually thinking about this. Shooting town N0 increases chances of picking mafia for lynch from 16% to 33%, meanwhile 1 wrong vote means loss. Would scum wanting to both vote for same person make them stick out is what I'm really wondering tho.
Not if the thread thinks the person is scum. Mafia would blend in.
I think Skynx is town because when i "pushed" him for reads he didn't make anything up. I would expect that a newer player as scum would have felt the need to give me something so they don't look like a "non-contributor", especially when i had JUST made a set of posts where i clearly imply at least i have something to work with in the game. He could have jumped on yamato, Superbia, or even rsoultin (the read i hadn't clarified yet) or question me about those reads (especially the rsoultin one). Basically the only way i see him being mafia atm is if he is mafia exactly with rsoultin and rsoultin is the GF. But first of all i don't think rsoultin is mafia and second the whole thing is so far fetched i am not going further into that since there is no reason to assume that and the easiest explanation is that he is just town.
To Shapelog. Technically the correct play is what you were asking yes. The problem however is that in case we miss shooting the GF the bias is basically gonna be too much and we end up deciding the lynch in the first 48 hours, which is also bad. We should be aiming for the GF ofc, but just because someone is "too scummy to be GF" they should not get a pass. I think it's best to just play it straight up and shoot a scumym person and then lynch another scummy person based on more evidence. Cute tricks usually end up fucking the town more than they are gonna achieve. Just keep it simple.
You might be right about skynx, I might move him up the list a bit.
Yeah, the bias is what I partially worry about it. I feel like it would be a tad bit easy for mafia to take control of that and for it to snowball.
I was feeling lazy and she did the work for me. Happy days. Or are you confused about sonething else?
nh...ye i thought about this, too, the whole try to kill town vs. try to kill scum thing, and tbh it's nice to have people going into d1 you have strong townreads on instead of kinda maybe leans and what if i'm wrong?! reads on...not sure if i'm making sense or not lol
like, on paper, odds are better but i don't believe that actually takes into account how reliable reads on the remaining players are likely to be
also, regarding super, joni...i could be wrong which is why i'm not grouping him with you or shape, but i just got this laidback inquisitiveness vibe from him when the game opened lol...so yay tonal thing
On June 18 2016 07:47 Superbia wrote: rso are you trolly as town or mafia? 2lazy2checkmeta
On June 18 2016 07:51 Superbia wrote: When rso gets serious I no longer want to read her posts iirc :p
#h8bigposters
it's an overall filter thing but these quotes illustrate what i'm talking about, i think. trying to engage and poke at things but not being all uber serious about it i.e. at ease
lol sorry that's the best way i can explain it
as for cake...idk it's less GOD SHE'S SCUM and more nothing that really makes me think town. like her poking at me to interact with her without really saying anything or prompting any sort of interaction? i make some allowances cause her English can get dicey but she's coming off flat to me
Do you know why I asked that Rayn? Because you were saying you wanted to shot Rsoul.
Also Tina Why am I mafia?
I don't think you are mafia because you are being logical and I liked you said that my english get in their way but just tell me so I can clarify that.
On June 19 2016 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes. your last set of posts is the epitome of uselessness like in your filter in JAT game tbh. Do you wanna do something about that?
Wanted to speed game up but was ultimately too tired.
To be completely honest, people who post a shitton of one-liners and "fail to realize" what are the important discussion points -- or ignore stuff i find to be relevant -- (or don't really bring up anything new on the table) are super hard to read for me. In the latest newbie game the whole D1 was basically Jealous vs QT and there too Superbia basically avoided touching the whole issue with even a long stick, and since he is a player who is actually capable of quite decent play and capable of leading the town i found that highly unlike that he was town in that game. I was horribly wrong.
Anyways Superbia, my opinion atm is that if the latest burst of posts is the best you can offer you can get lynched or shot.
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town?
One thing I noticed about shapelog as mafia is that his trolling is inherently awkward and forced. So hes superjumpy and actually superdefensive (in qt he genuinely freaks out when I joke about being the cop and having a red on him, even though its super obv a joke). His reaction to my initial prod is comfortable
On June 19 2016 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: To be completely honest, people who post a shitton of one-liners and "fail to realize" what are the important discussion points -- or ignore stuff i find to be relevant -- (or don't really bring up anything new on the table) are super hard to read for me. In the latest newbie game the whole D1 was basically Jealous vs QT and there too Superbia basically avoided touching the whole issue with even a long stick, and since he is a player who is actually capable of quite decent play and capable of leading the town i found that highly unlike that he was town in that game. I was horribly wrong.
Anyways Superbia, my opinion atm is that if the latest burst of posts is the best you can offer you can get lynched or shot.
The way I play and get reads is just a little different :p also my new schedule makes it superhard to be a leader bc eods are during my sleep
On June 19 2016 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean you just made a set of posts and followed it up with this:
On June 19 2016 08:01 Superbia wrote: bleh I may just be spouting nonsense.
.. like in JAT game, the first ~30 posts in your filter is "start from 0 just to end back in 0".
Could you answer me regarding the Shapelog thing?
On June 18 2016 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town?
One thing I noticed about shapelog as mafia is that his trolling is inherently awkward and forced. So hes superjumpy and actually superdefensive (in qt he genuinely freaks out when I joke about being the cop and having a red on him, even though its super obv a joke). His reaction to my initial prod is comfortable
Okay. So why the questionmarks in your post?
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
On June 19 2016 18:50 Superbia wrote: The way I play and get reads is just a little different :p also my new schedule makes it superhard to be a leader bc eods are during my sleep
I understand that and i am not saying it makes you mafia. But if you choose to ignore everything that is important, or as i said, start from 0 and end back to 0 with your posts that DOES make you mafia.
On June 19 2016 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean you just made a set of posts and followed it up with this:
On June 19 2016 08:01 Superbia wrote: bleh I may just be spouting nonsense.
.. like in JAT game, the first ~30 posts in your filter is "start from 0 just to end back in 0".
Could you answer me regarding the Shapelog thing?
On June 18 2016 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town?
One thing I noticed about shapelog as mafia is that his trolling is inherently awkward and forced. So hes superjumpy and actually superdefensive (in qt he genuinely freaks out when I joke about being the cop and having a red on him, even though its super obv a joke). His reaction to my initial prod is comfortable
On June 19 2016 07:59 Superbia wrote: rayn's posts are way too long for me to read at this time of the night x;
On June 19 2016 08:00 Superbia wrote: I have a vague idea what he is but need to revisit tomorrow.
I mean, what the fuck are posts like this? If you have time to make these posts why don't you -- instead of posting this -- tell us what you think for reals?
On June 19 2016 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean you just made a set of posts and followed it up with this:
On June 19 2016 08:01 Superbia wrote: bleh I may just be spouting nonsense.
.. like in JAT game, the first ~30 posts in your filter is "start from 0 just to end back in 0".
Could you answer me regarding the Shapelog thing?
On June 18 2016 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town?
One thing I noticed about shapelog as mafia is that his trolling is inherently awkward and forced. So hes superjumpy and actually superdefensive (in qt he genuinely freaks out when I joke about being the cop and having a red on him, even though its super obv a joke). His reaction to my initial prod is comfortable
Okay. So why the questionmarks in your post?
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
What does this post mean?
Being lazy. I sometimes mix player meta up (eg i thought moosy was shape in d1 prev newb game)
So you actually meta town read Shapelog without actually remembering how he played in the game you referenced to? Is that what you are saying? Or what?
On June 19 2016 18:50 Superbia wrote: The way I play and get reads is just a little different :p also my new schedule makes it superhard to be a leader bc eods are during my sleep
I understand that and i am not saying it makes you mafia. But if you choose to ignore everything that is important, or as i said, start from 0 and end back to 0 with your posts that DOES make you mafia.
Im p sure skynx and shapre are town. I like your inquisitiveness. Id shoot and lynch betw yama cake rso prob in that order
On June 19 2016 02:14 Skynx wrote: Well I didn't pick up anything interesting other than that Yamato post. I agree with ryan on fact that its not reactive. Its almost too wifom to be scum, if not just a very pointless post from town perspective.
Actually what do you mean with this Skynx? Isn't "too wifom to be scum" = "very pointless post from town perspective" = "town"?
Also Shapelog. I just revisited your filter and it doesn't actually look as good as i remembered. I have a hard time figuring out where you actually stand with your reads. You seem to be thinking i am town, Skynx is town and rsoultin is town(?), who is scum?
On June 19 2016 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean you just made a set of posts and followed it up with this:
On June 19 2016 08:01 Superbia wrote: bleh I may just be spouting nonsense.
.. like in JAT game, the first ~30 posts in your filter is "start from 0 just to end back in 0".
Could you answer me regarding the Shapelog thing?
On June 18 2016 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town?
One thing I noticed about shapelog as mafia is that his trolling is inherently awkward and forced. So hes superjumpy and actually superdefensive (in qt he genuinely freaks out when I joke about being the cop and having a red on him, even though its super obv a joke). His reaction to my initial prod is comfortable
Okay. So why the questionmarks in your post?
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
What does this post mean?
Being lazy. I sometimes mix player meta up (eg i thought moosy was shape in d1 prev newb game)
So you actually meta town read Shapelog without actually remembering how he played in the game you referenced to? Is that what you are saying? Or what?
Srsly? Im like 96% its how Shapelog played but im asking in case i switched him with moosy or something. X; I look it up myself as well but yknow. Getting as much reactions as you can
If you have time to post could you at least clarify what i asked? I know you seem to be thinking yamato is goon and you don't wanna shoot him because of that and blabla... I however have no idea why have come to any of the conclusions you have. If you are right and yamato is a goon why does Cake townread him and doesn't want to shoot him?
On June 19 2016 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean you just made a set of posts and followed it up with this:
On June 19 2016 08:01 Superbia wrote: bleh I may just be spouting nonsense.
.. like in JAT game, the first ~30 posts in your filter is "start from 0 just to end back in 0".
Could you answer me regarding the Shapelog thing?
On June 18 2016 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town?
One thing I noticed about shapelog as mafia is that his trolling is inherently awkward and forced. So hes superjumpy and actually superdefensive (in qt he genuinely freaks out when I joke about being the cop and having a red on him, even though its super obv a joke). His reaction to my initial prod is comfortable
Okay. So why the questionmarks in your post?
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
What does this post mean?
Being lazy. I sometimes mix player meta up (eg i thought moosy was shape in d1 prev newb game)
So you actually meta town read Shapelog without actually remembering how he played in the game you referenced to? Is that what you are saying? Or what?
Srsly? Im like 96% its how Shapelog played but im asking in case i switched him with moosy or something. X; I look it up myself as well but yknow. Getting as much reactions as you can
I am not saying he played differently than you remember. I am saying the way you worded your post suggests that YOU don't remember how he played which makes the read in itself BS.
On June 19 2016 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean you just made a set of posts and followed it up with this:
On June 19 2016 08:01 Superbia wrote: bleh I may just be spouting nonsense.
.. like in JAT game, the first ~30 posts in your filter is "start from 0 just to end back in 0".
Could you answer me regarding the Shapelog thing?
On June 18 2016 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town?
One thing I noticed about shapelog as mafia is that his trolling is inherently awkward and forced. So hes superjumpy and actually superdefensive (in qt he genuinely freaks out when I joke about being the cop and having a red on him, even though its super obv a joke). His reaction to my initial prod is comfortable
Okay. So why the questionmarks in your post?
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
What does this post mean?
Being lazy. I sometimes mix player meta up (eg i thought moosy was shape in d1 prev newb game)
So you actually meta town read Shapelog without actually remembering how he played in the game you referenced to? Is that what you are saying? Or what?
Srsly? Im like 96% its how Shapelog played but im asking in case i switched him with moosy or something. X; I look it up myself as well but yknow. Getting as much reactions as you can
I am not saying he played differently than you remember. I am saying the way you worded your post suggests that YOU don't remember how he played which makes the read in itself BS.
So you agree with the read and its content but you still question me giving it?
On June 19 2016 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean you just made a set of posts and followed it up with this:
On June 19 2016 08:01 Superbia wrote: bleh I may just be spouting nonsense.
.. like in JAT game, the first ~30 posts in your filter is "start from 0 just to end back in 0".
Could you answer me regarding the Shapelog thing?
On June 18 2016 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town?
One thing I noticed about shapelog as mafia is that his trolling is inherently awkward and forced. So hes superjumpy and actually superdefensive (in qt he genuinely freaks out when I joke about being the cop and having a red on him, even though its super obv a joke). His reaction to my initial prod is comfortable
Okay. So why the questionmarks in your post?
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
What does this post mean?
Being lazy. I sometimes mix player meta up (eg i thought moosy was shape in d1 prev newb game)
So you actually meta town read Shapelog without actually remembering how he played in the game you referenced to? Is that what you are saying? Or what?
Srsly? Im like 96% its how Shapelog played but im asking in case i switched him with moosy or something. X; I look it up myself as well but yknow. Getting as much reactions as you can
I am not saying he played differently than you remember. I am saying the way you worded your post suggests that YOU don't remember how he played which makes the read in itself BS.
So you agree with the read and its content but you still question me giving it?
It doesnt matter if i agree with it or not since it sounds reasonable. Regardless of if it is right or wrong it can't be really argued against which is why meta reads are dumb to base a read solely on.
I think this discussion is useless since it will not lead anywhere anymore as you still haven't answered me properly and i don't know if i believe you actually remember how Shapelog played or not since i see evidence that suggests into both directions.
What i mean is people interpret things differently and if you think Shapelog does X and i think he does Y as some alignment neither of us is "wrong", it's just a difference in opinion (unless ofc either X or Y is clearly bullshit, which it seems like it's not).
I was more interested in HOW you came to the conclusion since the way you presented the read looked like you should not have the conclusion you came to. What i meant and was questioning you on should be not so hard to grasp tbh...
On June 19 2016 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean you just made a set of posts and followed it up with this:
On June 19 2016 08:01 Superbia wrote: bleh I may just be spouting nonsense.
.. like in JAT game, the first ~30 posts in your filter is "start from 0 just to end back in 0".
Could you answer me regarding the Shapelog thing?
On June 18 2016 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town?
One thing I noticed about shapelog as mafia is that his trolling is inherently awkward and forced. So hes superjumpy and actually superdefensive (in qt he genuinely freaks out when I joke about being the cop and having a red on him, even though its super obv a joke). His reaction to my initial prod is comfortable
Okay. So why the questionmarks in your post?
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
What does this post mean?
Being lazy. I sometimes mix player meta up (eg i thought moosy was shape in d1 prev newb game)
So you actually meta town read Shapelog without actually remembering how he played in the game you referenced to? Is that what you are saying? Or what?
Srsly? Im like 96% its how Shapelog played but im asking in case i switched him with moosy or something. X; I look it up myself as well but yknow. Getting as much reactions as you can
I am not saying he played differently than you remember. I am saying the way you worded your post suggests that YOU don't remember how he played which makes the read in itself BS.
So you agree with the read and its content but you still question me giving it?
It doesnt matter if i agree with it or not since it sounds reasonable. Regardless of if it is right or wrong it can't be really argued against which is why meta reads are dumb to base a read solely on.
I think this discussion is useless since it will not lead anywhere anymore as you still haven't answered me properly and i don't know if i believe you actually remember how Shapelog played or not since i see evidence that suggests into both directions.
Check that game and see if what I am telling is true then >:| if shapelog did not fit the description I gave then come back and fight me 1v1.
On June 19 2016 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i mean is people interpret things differently and if you think Shapelog does X and i think he does Y as some alignment neither of us is "wrong", it's just a difference in opinion (unless ofc either X or Y is clearly bullshit, which it seems like it's not).
I was more interested in HOW you came to the conclusion since the way you presented the read looked like you should not have the conclusion you came to. What i meant and was questioning you on should be not so hard to grasp tbh...
I actually am really confused what you are looking for here :s
Shapelog has certain traits as mafia that he does not have as town. Shapelog is not displaying these traits. Therefore I think Shapelog is town.
Come on guys... We need more posts and stances. Someone talk to me. I can't figure this shit out with the stuff we have here so far. yamato? Where are you? If you are town don't do this to me.
On June 19 2016 09:45 CopCake wrote: Do you know why I asked that Rayn? Because you were saying you wanted to shot Rsoul.
Also Tina Why am I mafia?
I don't think you are mafia because you are being logical and I liked you said that my english get in their way but just tell me so I can clarify that.
PoE
i understand you fine lol. the comment was really more of a "i don't need cake to make perfect sense to feel comfortable townreading her" than "i can't figure out what she means"
i don't really find anything wrong per se with you picking out super and yama as your only reads when you first enter the thread, if you know anything new happened. but you really didn't do anything much with it. few reads, little progression, yama as a read at all is a bit mind-boggling too when that read settles on town cause he didn't do anything
basically your filter doesn't look like you're trying to solve the game at all even this late into n0 (especially if rayn isn't even a scumread for you because then i have no idea who you even are scumreading)
so i want cake or yama and i'm not too concerned which, though i disagree with super that yama is "obv" goon here lol >< i actually think it quite possible he could be gf to cake's goon and i'm just arrogant enough to think that my initial reads could actually all be right
everyone should commit to who we're willing to vote for btw
i think i'd prefer a yama shot for the above reason but am fine with either
(also, trying to ignore being on anyone's PoE list behind so many players phoning it in is haaaard even if i know that i get reads like that out of fear lolol ><)
eh i'm not really feeling a sup shot, rayn. i get why you're gunning for him but i don't think he's scum lol i wish i could remember the name of the game but the one where he claimed blue and we lynched him anyway without a cc cause he was just THAT AWFUL when he was claiming no time?
yeah, his posts here aren't giving me the same vibe/feeling/etc.
rsoultin i still don't get why you ignore the evidence against Superbia. I mean, i know where you are coming from, but like.... I don't see much sense in him not understanding where i am coming from with the thing on him, and i can't understand why he scumreads you for PoE when he already has 2 other scumreads, that doesn't make much sense to me. What else has he done?
On June 20 2016 00:53 CopCake wrote: Also rayn you know i bus hard when i think clearly is 100% mafia and rn I will go Sup with it.
umm what? who do you think is 100% mafia?
Sup just said i hate to give reads and that is pretty out of character, super is like one of the smartest and makes good cases (all the times i have played with her i have been mafia and i got like wow with her) specially in that round in which you faked to be the doctor, her game there was top tier. So why doesnt she tries to do more?
I mean I can justify the first day to be lazy, there were seldom posts and all that but now there is like a few pages in which she can at least wrap sonething.
On June 20 2016 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you mixing him up with someone? Me, you and him have never been in a same game together.
Who was in that game? i remember i was mafia and the person that found me was a cosmic something universe guy, prettt sure sup was there because i wanted to kill her.
On June 20 2016 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think Superbia is mafia right?
The "wow" superbia i met that was town wouldnt act this lazy. So yes. As I said first day lazyness is justified because the thread has been so slow but like yeah not enough info at least try to build something.
On June 20 2016 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you mixing him up with someone? Me, you and him have never been in a same game together.
Who was in that game? i remember i was mafia and the person that found me was a cosmic something universe guy, prettt sure sup was there because i wanted to kill her.
This is totally incorrect though. You got lynched because the cop claimed a red check on you.
On June 20 2016 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you mixing him up with someone? Me, you and him have never been in a same game together.
Who was in that game? i remember i was mafia and the person that found me was a cosmic something universe guy, prettt sure sup was there because i wanted to kill her.
This is totally incorrect though. You got lynched because the cop claimed a red check on you.
Yes, is what i meant with he found me, the galaxy universe dont remeber his username but was related to galaxies got a red check on me. I
On June 20 2016 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think Superbia is mafia right?
The "wow" superbia i met that was town wouldnt act this lazy. So yes. As I said first day lazyness is justified because the thread has been so slow but like yeah not enough info at least try to build something.
It is not that the laziness is justified or not, but the fact i can't understand is why you TOWNREAD him earlier for the said thing. Like why did you think he is TOWN for that? Null i could get, or not scum, but why town? Why were other people who were "lazy" not town if it is justified? Was/is yamato town too because he was lazy or why?
Like we had everyone except for Skynx posted at that time. If laziness is a reason to townread someone how does superbia (or/and yamato) differ from other people at that time?
On June 20 2016 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you mixing him up with someone? Me, you and him have never been in a same game together.
Who was in that game? i remember i was mafia and the person that found me was a cosmic something universe guy, prettt sure sup was there because i wanted to kill her.
This is totally incorrect though. You got lynched because the cop claimed a red check on you.
Yes, is what i meant with he found me, the galaxy universe dont remeber his username but was related to galaxies got a red check on me. I
On June 20 2016 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think Superbia is mafia right?
The "wow" superbia i met that was town wouldnt act this lazy. So yes. As I said first day lazyness is justified because the thread has been so slow but like yeah not enough info at least try to build something.
It is not that the laziness is justified or not, but the fact i can't understand is why you TOWNREAD him earlier for the said thing. Like why did you think he is TOWN for that? Null i could get, or not scum, but why town? Why were other people who were "lazy" not town if it is justified? Was/is yamato town too because he was lazy or why?
Superbia sounded the most normal of all of you so she got green card.
The ino guy sounded too forced to be cool and funny, fake.
I didnt know how to take u and rsoultin because you wanted her neck.
Yamato was null so i was like yeah at least he is more normal than the other three so more inclined to town.
On June 20 2016 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you mixing him up with someone? Me, you and him have never been in a same game together.
Who was in that game? i remember i was mafia and the person that found me was a cosmic something universe guy, prettt sure sup was there because i wanted to kill her.
This is totally incorrect though. You got lynched because the cop claimed a red check on you.
Yes, is what i meant with he found me, the galaxy universe dont remeber his username but was related to galaxies got a red check on me. I
Superbia wasn't the cop though.
I know, thw galaxy guy was so? What is the problem here? I never said superbia was the cop here have i?
I said she was amazing in that game, she doesnt need to be a cop to be good.
I wanted to kill her because i believed she was the cop.
On June 20 2016 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like we had everyone except for Skynx posted at that time. If laziness is a reason to townread someone how does superbia (or/and yamato) differ from other people at that time?
I have never said lazyness was a reason to townread someone, i said her lazyness can be justified for the lack of activity and her tone sounded normal, like not fake. But not wanting to give reads now is out of character.
On June 20 2016 01:19 CopCake wrote: I said she was amazing in that game, she doesnt need to be a cop to be good.
idk what's the metric here but as he got lynched on D5 i don't think he was too amazing tbh.
Why do you remember all details on that game but the first time i brought it up you said superbia wasnt part lf it?
Because i went to the database as i didn't remember Superbia was even in the game, then i saw he got lynched on D5 and as the dude who won the game as scum while me and yamato (nightkills on N1 and N2) were yelling to lynch Moosydoosy, not listening to that cannot be amazing play, especially when he got himself lynched as town.
On June 20 2016 01:19 CopCake wrote: I said she was amazing in that game, she doesnt need to be a cop to be good.
idk what's the metric here but as he got lynched on D5 i don't think he was too amazing tbh.
Why do you remember all details on that game but the first time i brought it up you said superbia wasnt part lf it?
Because i went to the database as i didn't remember Superbia was even in the game, then i saw he got lynched on D5 and as the dude who won the game as scum while me and yamato (nightkills on N1 and N2) were yelling to lynch Moosydoosy, not listening to that cannot be amazing play, especially when he got himself lynched as town.
Well you have to admit that after me being a red check moosy became the towniest member of them all and is easy to manipulate people.
On June 20 2016 01:19 CopCake wrote: I said she was amazing in that game, she doesnt need to be a cop to be good.
idk what's the metric here but as he got lynched on D5 i don't think he was too amazing tbh.
Why do you remember all details on that game but the first time i brought it up you said superbia wasnt part lf it?
Because i went to the database as i didn't remember Superbia was even in the game, then i saw he got lynched on D5 and as the dude who won the game as scum while me and yamato (nightkills on N1 and N2) were yelling to lynch Moosydoosy, not listening to that cannot be amazing play, especially when he got himself lynched as town.
Well you have to admit that after me being a red check moosy became the towniest member of them all and is easy to manipulate people.
he should have been the lynch on D3 (before you got red checked) by any standards. :p
On June 20 2016 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin i still don't get why you ignore the evidence against Superbia. I mean, i know where you are coming from, but like.... I don't see much sense in him not understanding where i am coming from with the thing on him, and i can't understand why he scumreads you for PoE when he already has 2 other scumreads, that doesn't make much sense to me. What else has he done?
Mmm. I ignore most disagreements based on misunderstanding cause that isn't alignment indicative. On phone or I'd go back to remember the disagreement I was ignoring lol something to do w/ whether or not he should be making a meta read when he can't remember the game.
Like tbh I sometimes remember what happened in a game but am not sure on the player, too, so that doesn't seem weird to me you know?
Regarding the scumread bit whatevs. He can answer that. I can see town doing it but don't want to explain why cause that gives him an out and my townlean is just that...a lean.
Why exactly is what cake said a dumbtell though? Like...saying you always buss in a game where the goon shouldn't buss doesn't strike me as a dumbtell. It strikes me as a stupid argument lol
On June 18 2016 07:51 Superbia wrote: When rso gets serious I no longer want to read her posts iirc :p
#h8bigposters
Rso gets seroius?
That's a thing?
Anyways,
Super! Lets go back to reasons (mainly to start the game actually)
You said reasons, can you expand?
Then this is abandoned to some chit chat . Later Supers tr on him he questioned but again no answer from Super but Shape looks comfy with it. Or am i reading too much into this?
I don't have that long btw =/ Cake can you elaborate on your scumread on me? How did it go from a townread to a scumread that fast? What happened to your rayn scumread?
I want to shoot who I think is scum, super. Simple as that. Obv goon will want to protect gf but that doesn't mean whoever rolled gf automatically is going to play well, now does it?
All it means is that if we end up shooting the goon whoever pushed it gets no towncred.
Well i don't really have any scumreads except for Superbia and yamato so i am fine shooting you too Superbia if that works for you better than yamato...
On June 20 2016 04:28 rsoultin wrote: I want to shoot who I think is scum, super. Simple as that. Obv goon will want to protect gf but that doesn't mean whoever rolled gf automatically is going to play well, now does it?
All it means is that if we end up shooting the goon whoever pushed it gets no towncred.
I would rather shoot a questionable town than someone who's lurking. The best scenario is that yama flips town but I'd rather have him defend himself/participate tomorrow if he actually is.
On June 20 2016 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i don't really have any scumreads except for Superbia and yamato so i am fine shooting you too Superbia if that works for you better than yamato...
You concluded your point on me as inconclusive and you were fine leaving it like that. Why am I scum now and why didn't you push it further if you genuinely thought I'd be scum? x;
Like if this game had someone like marv here and he was super obviously town i would happily get shot but i actually win lylos with a quite high percent, i am the most active person in the game, and quite obviously town so what you are suggesting is just straight out fucking bullshit.
You are not even wanting to shoot me because you think i am the GF, you are wanting to shoot me because öf some arbitary dumbass narrative you made up. If you wanna suggest a shot on me, at least try to make up a proper reason instead of this bs "let's kill some good townie"...
On June 20 2016 04:33 Superbia wrote: This is not a normal game of mafia. Tomorrow is the normal game of mafia. Tonight is killing the scariest town (leaning rayn).
Rayn is the scariest town from a mafia perspective :p
On June 20 2016 04:33 Superbia wrote: This is not a normal game of mafia. Tomorrow is the normal game of mafia. Tonight is killing the scariest town (leaning rayn).
Rayn is the scariest town from a mafia perspective :p
On June 20 2016 04:33 Superbia wrote: This is not a normal game of mafia. Tomorrow is the normal game of mafia. Tonight is killing the scariest town (leaning rayn).
On June 20 2016 04:33 Superbia wrote: This is not a normal game of mafia. Tomorrow is the normal game of mafia. Tonight is killing the scariest town (leaning rayn).
This is straight up bullshit?
Have you read the rules? x; we only win tonight if we shoot godfather. You think the objectively scummiest person is going to be godfather?
On June 20 2016 04:33 Superbia wrote: This is not a normal game of mafia. Tomorrow is the normal game of mafia. Tonight is killing the scariest town (leaning rayn).
This is straight up bullshit?
Have you read the rules? x; we only win tonight if we shoot godfather. You think the objectively scummiest person is going to be godfather?
On June 20 2016 04:33 Superbia wrote: This is not a normal game of mafia. Tomorrow is the normal game of mafia. Tonight is killing the scariest town (leaning rayn).
This is straight up bullshit?
Have you read the rules? x; we only win tonight if we shoot godfather. You think the objectively scummiest person is going to be godfather?
...lol like I was going to say that if I was going to shoot my top town read it would be rayn...as sarcasm to show how retarded that line of thinking is
If we're honestly going to play the by russian roulette best chance for a random scrum lynch d1 game just shoot me and let scrum shoot rayn
Then you guys can sift through what's left and we'll see what the roll of a dice gets you
On June 20 2016 04:33 Superbia wrote: This is not a normal game of mafia. Tomorrow is the normal game of mafia. Tonight is killing the scariest town (leaning rayn).
This is straight up bullshit?
Have you read the rules? x; we only win tonight if we shoot godfather. You think the objectively scummiest person is going to be godfather?
And why is yamato in your opinion objectively the most scummy person then? The lack of activity doesn't necessarily mean he is mafia in itself and you haven't commented ANYTHING on what yamato has actually said in this game.
On further notice, you said your reads, top three scum are yamato -> cake -> rsoultin. Apparently you don't actually think this is true in case you want to shoot me since it just doesnt make any logical sense. If you think i am the godfather then you would have said you think i am mafia. If you don't think i am mafia then you should not be suggesting shooting me, you should be suggesting shooting someone else who can be mafia and you don't scumread, unless you think i am least likely to solve the game in lylo assuming the shot is not going to hit the godfather.
Like if this is a last ditch effort by goon sup to protect a gf yam I mean...maybe that's what makes the most sense cause if you're lucky enough not to be shot yourself he won't get auto lynched
Maybe we should shoot you just to see if you're desperate goon or really this much of a twit as town
On June 20 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote: Its just a flair role here i think
NO. REad the OP. z_z
Lol ik if we kill GF we insta win n all. Artanis could've said if we kill 15526 shot rolecop n0 we win, you get the point. Role itself doesnt have a power.
On June 20 2016 04:57 CopCake wrote: I wanna know if the role godfather works the same here as the one i am used to in other sites.
Everyone gets to vote for a vigilante shot on N0 (ends in 2 hours). If we shoot the godfather (majority vote PM'd to artanis) town wins. If we shot anyone else than a godfather, the game goes on to D1 and we need to lynch mafia for town to win (doesnt matter which of the two mafia).
On June 20 2016 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why is yamato in your opinion objectively the most scummy person then? The lack of activity doesn't necessarily mean he is mafia in itself and you haven't commented ANYTHING on what yamato has actually said in this game.
On further notice, you said your reads, top three scum are yamato -> cake -> rsoultin. Apparently you don't actually think this is true in case you want to shoot me since it just doesnt make any logical sense. If you think i am the godfather then you would have said you think i am mafia. If you don't think i am mafia then you should not be suggesting shooting me, you should be suggesting shooting someone else who can be mafia and you don't scumread, unless you think i am least likely to solve the game in lylo assuming the shot is not going to hit the godfather.
Did you even read what the dude wrote? He doesnt want to kill you because he has decided you are mafia goon and wants to decide we lynch you right here right now. Instead he suggests we shoot someone who is clearly town....
Superbia and yamato have left the building and i assume Cake is unlikely to come back because it's fathers day there. rsoultin said she'll be back before deadline and there is no sign of Shapelog.
i think i'd rather shoot yamato based on assumptions that i can trust my own reads lol >< but i can agree to super, too
i think if super is scum here he's almost definitely goon to yama's gf, though, or he's running an excellent play to try to get people like me to think that by drawing a shot and implicating yama in the process
also, regarding the question about cake, skynx, it was that her reads were super (ok given he was one of the most active) and yama (???) and then it took a really long time for anything else to develop from her. kinda thinking rayn was right about the dumbtelling, though. she's almost too clueless about the mafia team comp to be scum and it's enough to make me want to back off and see what she comes up with
ftr i'm not convinced that super is scum. i do think it's actually possible for him to be town here and he's just being superbly (haha xP) obtuse with this "we should try to shoot town" line of his. HOWEVER i really don't think this play can come from a super gf either defending town against rayn to get towncred (kinda dumb if he knows rayn at all, cause rayn's reaction to such things is super predictable) or worse trying to protect goon yama cause yeah that's retarded for gf to do here
which is why i'd prefer a yama shot
as for shape...i think i need to revisit him and make sure i still think he's town
he hasn't done a ton but the prodding at super about the townread and analyzing which emoticons i'm using from him are more likely town. only caveat to that is if he did happen to be goon here his main tool from his mafia playbook would be gone which might actually make his play look more townie. but the still lands townside for me att
The problem is that if Superbia is town yamato can be anything but if Superbia is mafia yamato basically has to be mafia. I'd rather not explain yet but i will if i must.
rsoultin read my post after yamato's list. Maybe scum just fucked up.
I was asked if the vigilante shot required a town majority or a full majority vote. The vigilante shot requires a full majority vote to kill anyone, which means 4 votes on any one player.
I mean it is not totally out of this world that Superbia has some really dumb view of this game and is town, but if yamato is town he should never ever agree to what Superbia says aka not wanna kill him. That is what makes me think Superbia might be the GF.
On June 20 2016 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem is that if Superbia is town yamato can be anything but if Superbia is mafia yamato basically has to be mafia. I'd rather not explain yet but i will if i must.
rsoultin read my post after yamato's list. Maybe scum just fucked up.
lol i think i already did it for you tbh but i understand. i think it's more important to get a vig shot for town than to quibble over it anyway. independently i have a stronger scumread on yama, which is why that's my preference
On June 20 2016 06:21 Skynx wrote: Meh i think super is goon trying to take a shot for yamato
That doesn't really matter because if that's the case we can still lynch yamato the next day. The problem is if yamato doesn't flip GF we don't really know what Superbia is, or like, it doesn't tell anything about him -- unlike the other way around.
seriously, i'm up for yama or super we just need four
and if y'all want to talk about an alternative, i'm open to discussion, too. the most important thing though is that we get it cause i feel that if all we get out of tonight is the scum shot our chances of winning this game are very low. the info is super important
I mean like for some reason it looks like both of those two are trying to get themselves shot... Maybe scum is just playing terribly. I mean i don't really see anyone else being scum atm.
Basically Superbia is setting up a play where if he is not killed his vote will be on yamato 100%, and that will not change. yamato, not assuming Superbia is scum as he said, basically cannot let that happen as town because if he is town and Superbia is town that means he basically has to counter-vote Superbia and if they are both town it means town will 100% lose.
There should be absolutely no way yamato doesn't understand that and lets Superbia live, unless Superbia for some reason needs to live over him. They both look super sketchy, but it makes more sense for yamato to be GF than for Superbia.
If the game goes on i suggest you guys lynch yamato. It just makes the most in case Superbia is not in fact the GF. If he flips town or mafia doesn't really matter. Please try to read the first paragraph and understand it.
so i'm not sure if that nk means crazy shape or that i should be wary of rayn, but either way it doesn't make a ton of sense...like theoretically if super is goon it would make the most sense to leave yama alive cause he should be an easy ml after
Lol Super rolled mafia yet again. Reverse Koshi indeed.
I just was able to get on about 4 mins ago. My keyboard was broken when I got home a hour ago, so I wasn't able to play.
On June 20 2016 06:59 rsoultin wrote: lol is it bad that my first thought was shape could be scum for that shot? lol
I had to look at my Role PM just to make sure lol.
But in all seriousness, I had nothing to do with shooting Yammty, and wouldn't. If I was scum, I would of taken the easy ML (going off of what rsoul last post said, due to me being absent) since my 3 for 3 scum streak is alive.
On June 19 2016 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Shapelog. I just revisited your filter and it doesn't actually look as good as i remembered. I have a hard time figuring out where you actually stand with your reads. You seem to be thinking i am town, Skynx is town and rsoultin is town(?), who is scum?
You didn't visit my filter the first time IIRC. I thought the town read was based on my entrance, which later is what you and super discussed. Which ironically flipped scum.
Lol.
weak town lean on skynx. Only reason is for what you said. I still find him a bit nullish at the point. Rsoul wasn't a strong town read either, maybe a town lean at best.
I was kinda faint sus. on both yammty and cake. cake was for just being really serious all the sudden, and Yammty just for that thing. I was waiting for the game to develop quite honestly.
But that is the past!
On June 20 2016 00:22 rsoultin wrote: eh i'm not really feeling a sup shot, rayn. i get why you're gunning for him but i don't think he's scum lol i wish i could remember the name of the game but the one where he claimed blue and we lynched him anyway without a cc cause he was just THAT AWFUL when he was claiming no time?
yeah, his posts here aren't giving me the same vibe/feeling/etc.
Ironic given post shot results
I actually do not know if I should be looking for people for if they wanted to or not to shot super. I guess actually I want to look at people IF they wanted to shot super, since super was goon, and it would benefit them more.
Which fits:
On June 20 2016 00:53 CopCake wrote: Also rayn you know i bus hard when i think clearly is 100% mafia and rn I will go Sup with it.
On June 20 2016 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin i still don't get why you ignore the evidence against Superbia. I mean, i know where you are coming from, but like.... I don't see much sense in him not understanding where i am coming from with the thing on him, and i can't understand why he scumreads you for PoE when he already has 2 other scumreads, that doesn't make much sense to me. What else has he done?
I'll work out that tho later on, after I catch up towards the end.
The ino guy sounded too forced to be cool and funny, fake.
I have written remixs and children books as both town and scum.
I actually kinda wondering about something. Forgetting that super flip scum, you were talking about something I said, and that super hasn't played more then a few games with me. Yet super, who has played more games with me, and is someone you did somewhat defended (softly) about a question IIRC said the opposite.
Maybe you thought that since super was scum, that was invalid. I quote the post tho that I am talking about after this is done.
Moving on,
Skynx, Then this is abandoned to some chit chat . Later Supers tr on him he questioned but again no answer from Super but Shape looks comfy with it. Or am i reading too much into this?
I questioned it brosike.
I want to shoot who I think is scum, super. Simple as that. Obv goon will want to protect gf but that doesn't mean whoever rolled gf automatically is going to play well, now does it?
All it means is that if we end up shooting the goon whoever pushed it gets no towncred.
Wonder what changed from this post to this one:
On June 20 2016 00:22 rsoultin wrote: eh i'm not really feeling a sup shot, rayn. i get why you're gunning for him but i don't think he's scum lol i wish i could remember the name of the game but the one where he claimed blue and we lynched him anyway without a cc cause he was just THAT AWFUL when he was claiming no time?
yeah, his posts here aren't giving me the same vibe/feeling/etc.
On June 20 2016 05:21 yamato77 wrote: I'll go out on a limb and say it's not worth shooting rsoul either
I don't mind shooting cake for her weird read of me but I find it less satisfying than I would like
Superbia's filter is the longest (except for rayn but he doesn't count)
Skynx's filter is a lot of short questions
Shape is inconspicuous
Meh Was going to say something about yammty, but I forgot he flipped so lol.
Rsoul, ftr i'm not convinced that super is scum. i do think it's actually possible for him to be town here and he's just being superbly (haha xP) obtuse with this "we should try to shoot town" line of his. HOWEVER i really don't think this play can come from a super gf either defending town against rayn to get towncred (kinda dumb if he knows rayn at all, cause rayn's reaction to such things is super predictable) or worse trying to protect goon yama cause yeah that's retarded for gf to do here
I want to shoot who I think is scum, super. Simple as that. Obv goon will want to protect gf but that doesn't mean whoever rolled gf automatically is going to play well, now does it?
All it means is that if we end up shooting the goon whoever pushed it gets no towncred.
So flipply floppy on super Rsoul. One min he is scum, one he is not, one he is scum, but could be town.
That basically is it.
I do not understand why Rsoul is flippy so much on the super shot tbh. Ryan and Cop need a look at more so.
On June 20 2016 06:59 rsoultin wrote: lol is it bad that my first thought was shape could be scum for that shot? lol
I had to look at my Role PM just to make sure lol.
But in all seriousness, I had nothing to do with shooting Yammty, and wouldn't. If I was scum, I would of taken the easy ML (going off of what rsoul last post said, due to me being absent) since my 3 for 3 scum streak is alive.
I read/catch up now
I mean, The only thing bad about this to me is my bad luck regarding my keyboard.
On June 19 2016 00:40 CopCake wrote: Huh, I am town.
Shape whatever gave me bad vibres because he is trying to be funny and feels comfortable with the people around even if sups hasnt or has barely played with him (she said it) and anyone who uses naruto is evil even with the inos.
Sups tone doesnt feel fake, feels normal
I think Yamato wants to look at us like a kid looks at a fishtank or that is the impression i got.
Before this, Super was town read/not sus for her. And Super was calling me town, for the same thing she saw scum in meh.
You are mafia, sorry it sucks. I am never serious and i have a bubbly personality and my mood never changed unless someone doesnt understand me for my grammar.
You on the other hand from posting images of a bad anime show became a serious paranoid player.
so yeah i really am no closer to figuring out why anyone regardless of who they were would shoot yamato here...i thought about rayn but tbh i doubt he'd be scared of shooting someone else despite being townread and i still don't see scum in his posting at all
logically getting super killed and leaving yama alive is just the obvious best move here. super definitely knew what was going on with the setup so i doubt his scum partner was completely oblivious...
which leads me to the only logical explanation being scum stacking a shot on who they thought would get vig shot by town, and if they thought that that person was yama that points heavily toward someone afk
my money's on shape. it helps that he's also like the only one i know here who actually thinks that making confusing night kills is a better strat than just removing the obv players who are 1) widely townread and 2) can solve the game
On June 20 2016 14:27 rsoultin wrote: which leads me to the only logical explanation being scum stacking a shot on who they thought would get vig shot by town, and if they thought that that person was yama that points heavily toward someone afk
my money's on shape. it helps that he's also like the only one i know here who actually thinks that making confusing night kills is a better strat than just removing the obv players who are 1) widely townread and 2) can solve the game
Yes or Skynx, because yamato wanted to kill him. Basically noone else than Shapelog or Skynx has any reason to shoot yamato. Cake and you shoot me 100 times out of 100, well at least you do, Cake maybe 98 out of 100.
Shapelog's big post is all over the place and i have no idea what he is talking about in it. Suddenly everyone is scum? What?
Or like, Shapelog has no reason to shoot yamato except the "shoot the same person town kills" (which is literally the best play always, regardless of which townie gets shot -- i didn't wanna talk about it and that's why i cut down Shape/Skynx discussion about "who to shoot" in the first place) but he was the only one who was not around after Superbia left -> would not have a chance to change the mafia nk.
On June 19 2016 02:14 Skynx wrote: Well I didn't pick up anything interesting other than that Yamato post. I agree with ryan on fact that its not reactive. Its almost too wifom to be scum, if not just a very pointless post from town perspective.
Actually what do you mean with this Skynx? Isn't "too wifom to be scum" = "very pointless post from town perspective" = "town"?
Skynx you never answered me on this. Could i get an answer please?
On June 19 2016 02:14 Skynx wrote: Well I didn't pick up anything interesting other than that Yamato post. I agree with ryan on fact that its not reactive. Its almost too wifom to be scum, if not just a very pointless post from town perspective.
Actually what do you mean with this Skynx? Isn't "too wifom to be scum" = "very pointless post from town perspective" = "town"?
Skynx you never answered me on this. Could i get an answer please?
On June 20 2016 14:27 rsoultin wrote: which leads me to the only logical explanation being scum stacking a shot on who they thought would get vig shot by town, and if they thought that that person was yama that points heavily toward someone afk
my money's on shape. it helps that he's also like the only one i know here who actually thinks that making confusing night kills is a better strat than just removing the obv players who are 1) widely townread and 2) can solve the game
Yes or Skynx, because yamato wanted to kill him. Basically noone else than Shapelog or Skynx has any reason to shoot yamato. Cake and you shoot me 100 times out of 100, well at least you do, Cake maybe 98 out of 100.
Shapelog's big post is all over the place and i have no idea what he is talking about in it. Suddenly everyone is scum? What?
Err he scumread me in 2 min analysis then immediately switched to someone else. It wasn't 1 bit credible and i don't even have to defend myself against that. Shooting Yamato is a meta kill because we didn't push anyone else enough and we don't have any information now.
On June 19 2016 02:14 Skynx wrote: Well I didn't pick up anything interesting other than that Yamato post. I agree with ryan on fact that its not reactive. Its almost too wifom to be scum, if not just a very pointless post from town perspective.
Actually what do you mean with this Skynx? Isn't "too wifom to be scum" = "very pointless post from town perspective" = "town"?
Skynx you never answered me on this. Could i get an answer please?
On June 19 2016 02:14 Skynx wrote: Well I didn't pick up anything interesting other than that Yamato post. I agree with ryan on fact that its not reactive. Its almost too wifom to be scum, if not just a very pointless post from town perspective.
Actually what do you mean with this Skynx? Isn't "too wifom to be scum" = "very pointless post from town perspective" = "town"?
Skynx you never answered me on this. Could i get an answer please?
This looks like a grammatical error on my part.
What did you mean to say?
What you picked up earlier is correct: too wifom=pointless bad townplay.
On June 20 2016 18:47 Skynx wrote: Its wierd of you to push me btw, I was the only one to get the goon correct.
You realize that's not really a point in favor of you being town?
I don't see how you conclude this. If we lynched Yamato they would have to kill one of remaining 5 now meaning more information for us and anyway we lynch Super today and win. But you guys didn't want that to happen.
On June 20 2016 18:47 Skynx wrote: Its wierd of you to push me btw, I was the only one to get the goon correct.
You realize that's not really a point in favor of you being town?
I don't see how you conclude this. If we lynched Yamato they would have to kill one of remaining 5 now meaning more information for us and anyway we lynch Super today and win. But you guys didn't want that to happen.
And you didn't vocally object that. I mean, i am not saying it makes you mafia but it definitely doesn't make you town. Just because you have not played as much as other people in this game doesn't mean you shouldn't voice your opinion / make your stance perfectly clear. You are allowed to say and object things you think are going to end up being a wrong decision.
If you are not mafia, then who is? I am not pushing for your lynch here, now. I am trying to figure out what is the most likely answer and from what i know, rsoultin is not the correct answer for being mafia, and i am almost sure Cake is not mafia either. If you disagree with me, let me know why. If you think i am mafia, let other people know why - and give me a chance to answer your accusation. The fact is that "figuring out who is the goon" doesn't make you town and while it doesn't make you mafia either saying that i look fishy (or whatever you are saying) is kinda bs because i have in my opinion clearly elaborated on how i have come to my conclusions in this game.
Just saying "he is calling me mafia so i call him mafia" is not a valid reason, and that's what i see you saying atm. Or like.. at least vocally attacking me just because i am entertaining the possibility of you being mafia.
On June 20 2016 18:47 Skynx wrote: Its wierd of you to push me btw, I was the only one to get the goon correct.
You realize that's not really a point in favor of you being town?
I don't see how you conclude this. If we lynched Yamato they would have to kill one of remaining 5 now meaning more information for us and anyway we lynch Super today and win. But you guys didn't want that to happen.
And you didn't vocally object that. I mean, i am not saying it makes you mafia but it definitely doesn't make you town. Just because you have not played as much as other people in this game doesn't mean you shouldn't voice your opinion / make your stance perfectly clear. You are allowed to say and object things you think are going to end up being a wrong decision.
If you are not mafia, then who is? I am not pushing for your lynch here, now. I am trying to figure out what is the most likely answer and from what i know, rsoultin is not the correct answer for being mafia, and i am almost sure Cake is not mafia either. If you disagree with me, let me know why. If you think i am mafia, let other people know why - and give me a chance to answer your accusation. The fact is that "figuring out who is the goon" doesn't make you town and while it doesn't make you mafia either saying that i look fishy (or whatever you are saying) is kinda bs because i have in my opinion clearly elaborated on how i have come to my conclusions in this game.
Just saying "he is calling me mafia so i call him mafia" is not a valid reason, and that's what i see you saying atm. Or like.. at least vocally attacking me just because i am entertaining the possibility of you being mafia.
I perfectly get your point. I'm tring to get used to just being more active in the way you suggest. That being said I don't think what else can make me more town. There was 3 votes on Super when i suggested leaving him for D1 might be a better option. Yes I should've posted more reasons trying to convince you guys, reasons i didn't do that was simply because I was super tired and had to wake up early today and had 1% battery. So i just let it go.
So i didn't try to do that 'he call me mafia so i call him mafia' by calling your push wierd. I objectively thought i couldn't be more town so seeing you do that kind of questioning i found it awkward.
Okay. I am letting it go, in fact i wasn't even calling you mafia for it in the first place, i just said i don't count it as a reason that would make you town.
Because if you are mafia that's what you would want and that's how you would most likely approach it.
Anyways, when you can, i'd like to hear more elaboration on who IS mafia. We've got time, but i'd rather start figuring this out sooner than later since i am not sure who is mafia at this point.
On June 20 2016 07:17 Shapelog wrote: [...] But in all seriousness, I had nothing to do with shooting Yammty, and wouldn't. If I was scum, I would of taken the easy ML (going off of what rsoul last post said, due to me being absent) since my 3 for 3 scum streak is alive.
I read/catch up now
On June 20 2016 08:39 Shapelog wrote: [...] Meh Was going to say something about yammty, but I forgot he flipped so lol. [...]
Do you want to say something about this Shapelog? I actually find it quite hard to believe that you forgot, in 1 hour and 12 minutes, when you were doing a re-read, who flipped. Especially since basically yamato being shot is the "reason" you are being accused of being scum for -- or part of it.
i'm doing that thing again where i just can't understand the possible scum motivation for shooting yamato when super is being voted for vig shot in thread
i can't definitively say that i believe cake and skynx are cleared here (and part of me cringes at the idea of possibly being wrong on rayn but honestly i'm just never gonna vote him this game cause i'd like to trust my read on him lol ><)
but just the idea of scum willfully and knowingly voting for super WHILE shooting yamato while they could change it, or vote for someone else, idk. i just don't think that ever happens here
i don't want to be wrong, rayn, but i have a hard time seeing anyone but an afk shapelog being scum with super here. it's just such an unnecessary thing for scum to do. like we can argue that it's confusing as shit to have a yamato shot here until the cows come home, and it is, and it does make my brain hurt a bit...
but i just don't see why scum ever goes through the effort here to make it more difficult to win just cuz. like i don't think cake does this, and i don't know skynx, but i do know that he was at least present enough to vote for super and seemed to understand what we were thinking so unless he's the sort to think it would be stylistically cool...
the simplest explanation is just that it was shapelog and scum wasn't here to change their shot
On June 20 2016 06:21 Skynx wrote: Meh i think super is goon trying to take a shot for yamato
Yeah, skynx definitely understood where the lynch was likely to go if/when super flipped goon
-pokes at skynx-
the reason you thinking yamato was goon beforehand doesn't make you town, skynxy, is godfather would know who the goon was. that's what rayn is getting at
anyway, i'd like to hear from people, especially if y'all think my reasoning's flawed
We still have time though. I am not going to decide this now just because i don't have to. I am just saying regardless of who yamato voted for being shot he said, in thread, that Skynx is in his opinion most likely to be mafia.
But yes, you are right. I have a hard time seeing anything else as a possible solution. But I am not going to just decide that's it, because i still remember how marv could never be mafia with DP and has to be mafia with Rels because "otherwise he would have voted Rels" in the RSM II game. I'd actually like to not lose this game so anyone is town please do not get lazy now, we already basically got saved with the yamato shot lol.
After dinner i am gonna go see who Cake shot in the PYP game on final nights. Just to have a perspective on if it's totally out of her "league" to make a shot like that or not.
What i mean regarding Skynx is that yamato actually started posting. yamato is one of the people with highest number of games on this forum. It's not totally out of question yamato starts being active at D2 and towntells and the right people figure out he is town, if Skynx is the godfather.
ah, yeah, true, i suppose there could be a scramble omg so-and-so will vote for me, especially from a newer player
it's not the most logical approach but that's bitten me in the ass before with tumbleweed lol that's why i'm trying to get people to give input, too. i want different perspectives...in most games i'm dead before being wrong can lose us the game lol >< or have had enough lynches to get out of my wrong tunnels by you know >> mislynching my mistakes
like if it were lightning round, tina chooses the lynch, i know where i'd be ^^
but since we're talking about investigating other avenues while we have the time, skynxy, pretend i'm not a gamer (and compared to the rest of y'all i pretty much am not) and explain that meta kill comment you made to me in non-nerd terms? i'd like to know what you think about the shot
On June 20 2016 11:56 CopCake wrote: You are mafia, sorry it sucks. I am never serious and i have a bubbly personality and my mood never changed unless someone doesnt understand me for my grammar.
You on the other hand from posting images of a bad anime show became a serious paranoid player.
Maybe because I do not want to cause town to lose the game?
Nice to see your also tunneled onto me for "forced joking."
my money's on shape. it helps that he's also like the only one i know here who actually thinks that making confusing night kills is a better strat than just removing the obv players who are 1) widely townread and 2) can solve the game
Not necessary.
All my WIFOM night kills have some sort of agenda behind it. All the shots in storm after 3rd was killed was for the all blue lylo (minus LS, cause LS was actually on my tail). Usually, it is to push town into lynching a player, or I am setting up something to win. I plan my moves out as scum (all my scum games shows this, newbie 19, storm, and tortiuse (the unvote vote FF etc.))
I have no plan here. That is the deference.
I explain more on what I think it means with this post from ryan.
Shapelog's big post is all over the place and i have no idea what he is talking about in it. Suddenly everyone is scum? What?
That was just my thoughts catching up, they were hasty due to me having another game's lynch (day 4) that I had to get to at 8.
I am questioning everybody and pointing out anything I see scummy/something I want more info about.
For example, I want to rsoul to explain the change, Get cakes feed back about the super sit. back, etc.
I kinda am thinking (and I will admit cake, this might be paranoid) that the shot was a frame shot on me due to my meta. The prob. is that I cannot just go "Oh it is one of ryan/rsoul, due to them knowing my scum meta." because super was scum, and could of told either skynx or cake about how I shot.
So I am basically questioning everyone, trying to POE.
On June 20 2016 07:17 Shapelog wrote: [...] But in all seriousness, I had nothing to do with shooting Yammty, and wouldn't. If I was scum, I would of taken the easy ML (going off of what rsoul last post said, due to me being absent) since my 3 for 3 scum streak is alive.
On June 20 2016 08:39 Shapelog wrote: [...] Meh Was going to say something about yammty, but I forgot he flipped so lol. [...]
Do you want to say something about this Shapelog? I actually find it quite hard to believe that you forgot, in 1 hour and 12 minutes, when you were doing a re-read, who flipped. Especially since basically yamato being shot is the "reason" you are being accused of being scum for -- or part of it.
I was reading the game and saw one of yamato posts, was in a analyzing mode, analyzed it, and remembered that he died.
Meanwhile, who did you vote Shapelog?
No one. Wasn't here/able to type anything till my post after the shot had happen.
What do think now that you have this information?
the simplest explanation is just that it was shapelog and scum wasn't here to change their shot
Annoying thing is, is that I cannot say that this is wrong, in the sense of it being the most simplest of explanations.
The prob. is, is that I cannot follow it at all, as it is wrong due to the information I have with my PM. The most simplest explanation for me, is that I being framed via the shot.
I kinda am thinking (and I will admit cake, this might be paranoid) that the shot was a frame shot on me due to my meta. The prob. is that I cannot just go "Oh it is one of ryan/rsoul, due to them knowing my scum meta." because super was scum, and could of told either skynx or cake about how I shot.
This is the important thing Shape. This is the answer you will give as either alignment most likely. But for the real answer. Who did it and where is the evidence for that?
On June 21 2016 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cake would you or would you not shoot yamato if you were mafia? Why?
I would shot Yamato for the lols and do something unexpected (I like chaos when I am mafia) but cant be bothered rn because as you know I work tons during weekdays so I cant plot giganstic shit when busy.
On June 21 2016 05:04 CopCake wrote: Like the right answer here rn is that whoever shot Yamato is newbie or is me or is someone that knows me (pointing you and rsoul)
Well that covers everyone in this game..... Also why do you say this?
You also know I dont bother with filters I just read people from the experience and from what I remeber. Knowing you I think you wouldnt do this to frame me since as you said it was easier to keep Yamato alive and frame him after killing a dangerous townie (ie you maybe, why wouldnt someone kill the persons that puts so much effort) So unless someone in the future had planned to say "Cake wouldnt be able to kill Rayn so she went to Yamato lol besides cake is the only one who does this type of thing, killing random players" it kinda makes me believe that is either rsoultin or a newbie who i have no idea who is super new gave the shot to yamato.
i'm certainly arrogant enough to think i can pull out the game here with or without yamato lined up as a mislynch, particularly given the state of the game
i am not, however, given to needlessly complicating a game. for one, rayn can flip on me at any moment for saying something "stupid" lol >< and secondly my competitiveness generally doesn't extend to winning a game in the "coolest" way possible. i just like to win ^^
i can sorta kinda make an argument for rayn independent of my read on how he's playing (which is actually how i always read him and has proven to be accurate way beyond my usual level of accuracy with other players) that he might be concerned about a shot on me when he's the more obvious scum shot. but that would involve discarding my read. it's paranoia and nothing else really
tbh shape i really have a hard time believing that anyone rereading the game OR my filter would have trouble following my line of thought but on the off-chance that you're town or that my impression is wrong, i'll indulge you:
1. gut said super was town for laidback inquisitiveness so i went with that 2. super's "we should kill obv town cause yama is goon" and push on rayn was retarded 3. i thought y'know i doubt he's this retarded, he's prob goon trying to keep us from shooting gf yama and winning the game...so we should prob shoot yama if i'm right 4. shooting someone is better than shooting no one and i'm fine with shooting super for the info if i can't convince people to shoot yama
-shrugs-
obviously i was wrong about yamato. i was however right that super is in fact not retarded lol >< seems i gave him too little credit, actually
On June 21 2016 05:08 CopCake wrote: You also know I dont bother with filters I just read people from the experience and from what I remeber. Knowing you I think you wouldnt do this to frame me since as you said it was easier to keep Yamato alive and frame him after killing a dangerous townie (ie you maybe, why wouldnt someone kill the persons that puts so much effort) So unless someone in the future had planned to say "Cake wouldnt be able to kill Rayn so she went to Yamato lol besides cake is the only one who does this type of thing, killing random players" it kinda makes me believe that is either rsoultin or a newbie who i have no idea who is super new gave the shot to yamato.
your theory only really makes sense if...you know...i actually did that xP just saying
i can sorta kinda make an argument for rayn independent of my read on how he's playing (which is actually how i always read him and has proven to be accurate way beyond my usual level of accuracy with other players) that he might be concerned about a shot on me when he's the more obvious scum shot. but that would involve discarding my read. it's paranoia and nothing else really
On June 21 2016 05:08 CopCake wrote: You also know I dont bother with filters I just read people from the experience and from what I remeber. Knowing you I think you wouldnt do this to frame me since as you said it was easier to keep Yamato alive and frame him after killing a dangerous townie (ie you maybe, why wouldnt someone kill the persons that puts so much effort) So unless someone in the future had planned to say "Cake wouldnt be able to kill Rayn so she went to Yamato lol besides cake is the only one who does this type of thing, killing random players" it kinda makes me believe that is either rsoultin or a newbie who i have no idea who is super new gave the shot to yamato.
your theory only really makes sense if...you know...i actually did that xP just saying
My mind is creative and can create all scenarios and possibilities.
i can sorta kinda make an argument for rayn independent of my read on how he's playing (which is actually how i always read him and has proven to be accurate way beyond my usual level of accuracy with other players) that he might be concerned about a shot on me when he's the more obvious scum shot. but that would involve discarding my read. it's paranoia and nothing else really
What does this mean in 5yr old english?
it means that i think you're town based on my usual method of reading you, which i've had a lot of success with
it means that objectively, the most townread player might choose to shoot someone who isn't because it would look weird for me to die over him
it means that despite that i trust my read more than the paranoid, maybe rayn shot yamato cause he couldn't shoot himself, thought
On June 21 2016 05:15 CopCake wrote: Rayn you can like take every word i say with tissues because of my grammar, the person that killed yamato is either:
- newbie - rsoultin or you - myself
Obvs is not me because I am town.
yes and for the players who are not Superbia in this game that includes all the players in the game since Shapelog and Skynx are newbies (in relation to other players and their experience with them) and rest of them are you, me and rsoultin.
So i was kinda looking for the answer for "who would in your opinion most likely shoot yamato" and you said "anyone".
i can sorta kinda make an argument for rayn independent of my read on how he's playing (which is actually how i always read him and has proven to be accurate way beyond my usual level of accuracy with other players) that he might be concerned about a shot on me when he's the more obvious scum shot. but that would involve discarding my read. it's paranoia and nothing else really
What does this mean in 5yr old english?
it means that i think you're town based on my usual method of reading you, which i've had a lot of success with
it means that objectively, the most townread player might choose to shoot someone who isn't because it would look weird for me to die over him
it means that despite that i trust my read more than the paranoid, maybe rayn shot yamato cause he couldn't shoot himself, thought
I kinda am thinking (and I will admit cake, this might be paranoid) that the shot was a frame shot on me due to my meta. The prob. is that I cannot just go "Oh it is one of ryan/rsoul, due to them knowing my scum meta." because super was scum, and could of told either skynx or cake about how I shot.
This is the important thing Shape. This is the answer you will give as either alignment most likely. But for the real answer. Who did it and where is the evidence for that?
Well, there is a lot to consider about it.
If we were to just razer it, rsoul fits it. As she has pushed it perhaps the most out of anyone about how it connects me to the yammty shot. She has admittedly, open out of the idea a little bit, yet still is focus on me on it. Rsoul knows my meta pretty well (actually PMed me in wonderful, asking if I was town due to how I was playing, which I was.) and has stated it. She was also pretty quick to tie me to it. It wouldn't be hard for her (or anyone who knows my meta) to make that shot and push.
But it is more complicated if we look beyond the razer:
-I first expect town rsoul to think like that, as she does know my meta. The shot highly looks like my handywork, and it would make sense for her to think me as scum for that shot. Though, this does mean, that I had to have broken my town meta admittedly for my earlier posts.
-Second, Like I said in the last sentence, It wouldn't be hard for her (or anyone who knows my meta) to make that shot and push. And, since Super flipped scum, anybody could set that up. Super has played with me in storm, and that game is what makes the meta point strong. He already use the game to TR me inthread, so he did at least have the game in mind. I am guessing, only because of my position and common sense, that the shot had to be at-least planned a bit before the flip. Which could of been spent with super convincing his partner to shot yammty.
If it had been lets say, cop or skynx that flip. I wouldn't have to consider point 2. As they do not know my meta.
The second point is the biggest thing that is making finding evidence for it hard. But, I am thinking.
Scum would want to push my lynch (hence one of the reasons why Rsoul by razer is correct here), so that eliminates skynx for the time being going along that logic. Dropping it to Cake/Ryan/Rsoul + Show Spoiler [About Skynx] +
He isn't really at all the same as the newbie game IMO. I want to see how he is reading people as scum, but truth to the matter, is that if he is scum, he could of jumped on this by now. Hell, He SHOULD be on me like a hawk with the framing idea. Yet, he is mossying about, not really to quick to do anything.
Out of the 3,
Rsoul, Pretty much have said everything for her. Razer bit + point 1 here. It is still possible.
Ryan: You have thought about it, but ultimately looking around at other people. You are not necessarily pushing it at all, at most discussing it. There is little reason for you to look at anything else really, as you basically win (expect to keep up activity.) in this serino. Maybe possible, but doubtful.
Cake: She isn't pushing me for the meta thing, but is scum reading me hard. She starting with the scum read with the forced joking thing (which I am still awaiting for her to answer the question in the one post about super.) and in general just feels off putting. Not because I am being scum read, but the reasoning I am being scum read, and the responses. She is super tunneled onto me.
However, oddly enough, she has suggested the same idea with the framing shot. Just for herself.
On June 21 2016 05:04 CopCake wrote: Like the right answer here rn is that whoever shot Yamato is newbie or is me or is someone that knows me (pointing you and rsoul)
On June 21 2016 05:08 CopCake wrote: You also know I dont bother with filters I just read people from the experience and from what I remeber. Knowing you I think you wouldnt do this to frame me since as you said it was easier to keep Yamato alive and frame him after killing a dangerous townie (ie you maybe, why wouldnt someone kill the persons that puts so much effort) So unless someone in the future had planned to say "Cake wouldnt be able to kill Rayn so she went to Yamato lol besides cake is the only one who does this type of thing, killing random players" it kinda makes me believe that is either rsoultin or a newbie who i have no idea who is super new gave the shot to yamato.
Which I guess she suspects it is Skynx. Opposite of what I believe. This actually could also be another framing shot plan, just without me as the target and instead skynx.
Since I haven't played with her, and I am not a newbie (actually, I think I am currently in my 12th and 13th game in total across all sites) I shouldn't be a suspect according to this I think? This came after the posts about me, so *shruggs*
Outside of the framing idea, I kinda find it hard to read cake. Reading thru here filter, the super vote was a bit out of no where.
On June 20 2016 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think Superbia is mafia right?
The "wow" superbia i met that was town wouldnt act this lazy. So yes. As I said first day lazyness is justified because the thread has been so slow but like yeah not enough info at least try to build something.
It is not that the laziness is justified or not, but the fact i can't understand is why you TOWNREAD him earlier for the said thing. Like why did you think he is TOWN for that? Null i could get, or not scum, but why town? Why were other people who were "lazy" not town if it is justified? Was/is yamato town too because he was lazy or why?
Superbia sounded the most normal of all of you so she got green card.
The ino guy sounded too forced to be cool and funny, fake.
I didnt know how to take u and rsoultin because you wanted her neck.
Yamato was null so i was like yeah at least he is more normal than the other three so more inclined to town.
On June 20 2016 03:54 CopCake wrote: I am inclined to say yamato now for lack of interest but idk his irl.
I am intrigued by rayn too.
On June 20 2016 05:19 CopCake wrote: How do i send pms here? I will have to just repply artanis, casting vote on super.
2 hours from 1st to last.
So, most likely with the framing idea. It is either Rsoul/or cake, with the very off chance that it is you.
I might look at cake's filter from PYP, I think she was town that game?
On June 21 2016 05:08 CopCake wrote: You also know I dont bother with filters I just read people from the experience and from what I remeber. Knowing you I think you wouldnt do this to frame me since as you said it was easier to keep Yamato alive and frame him after killing a dangerous townie (ie you maybe, why wouldnt someone kill the persons that puts so much effort) So unless someone in the future had planned to say "Cake wouldnt be able to kill Rayn so she went to Yamato lol besides cake is the only one who does this type of thing, killing random players" it kinda makes me believe that is either rsoultin or a newbie who i have no idea who is super new gave the shot to yamato.
your theory only really makes sense if...you know...i actually did that xP just saying
My mind is creative and can create all scenarios and possibilities.
cake, the point is you're saying that i'm the most likely scum here because i KNEW that you might make a kill like that for the lolz and wanted to frame you
if that's your reason it's flawed because 1. i haven't tried to frame you. i am quite obviously scumreading shape 2. i actually don't know you well enough to predict your night kills. obviously this is something that i know and you may disagree with, but yeah...i actually said that i doubted you would do this. when this game is over and it's proven that i'm town, you'll see that it's 100% true and your impression of how well you think i know you is wrong lol ><
On June 21 2016 05:15 CopCake wrote: Rayn you can like take every word i say with tissues because of my grammar, the person that killed yamato is either:
On June 21 2016 05:15 CopCake wrote: Rayn you can like take every word i say with tissues because of my grammar, the person that killed yamato is either:
- newbie - rsoultin or you - myself
Obvs is not me because I am town.
yes and for the players who are not Superbia in this game that includes all the players in the game since Shapelog and Skynx are newbies (in relation to other players and their experience with them) and rest of them are you, me and rsoultin.
So i was kinda looking for the answer for "who would in your opinion most likely shoot yamato" and you said "anyone".
Lol what?
i said a newbie or you and mire inclined to rsoultin how the fuck would i know that shape and styinx are newbies newbies? Like i know shape had interaction with sups and is not that new but i dont know if his few games he were fastastic
On June 21 2016 05:08 CopCake wrote: You also know I dont bother with filters I just read people from the experience and from what I remeber. Knowing you I think you wouldnt do this to frame me since as you said it was easier to keep Yamato alive and frame him after killing a dangerous townie (ie you maybe, why wouldnt someone kill the persons that puts so much effort) So unless someone in the future had planned to say "Cake wouldnt be able to kill Rayn so she went to Yamato lol besides cake is the only one who does this type of thing, killing random players" it kinda makes me believe that is either rsoultin or a newbie who i have no idea who is super new gave the shot to yamato.
your theory only really makes sense if...you know...i actually did that xP just saying
My mind is creative and can create all scenarios and possibilities.
cake, the point is you're saying that i'm the most likely scum here because i KNEW that you might make a kill like that for the lolz and wanted to frame you
if that's your reason it's flawed because 1. i haven't tried to frame you. i am quite obviously scumreading shape 2. i actually don't know you well enough to predict your night kills. obviously this is something that i know and you may disagree with, but yeah...i actually said that i doubted you would do this. when this game is over and it's proven that i'm town, you'll see that it's 100% true and your impression of how well you think i know you is wrong lol ><
I am being pretty honest, I would shoot Yamato for the lolz and Chaos, I even dont shot at night for the loz just to fuck up with people and get a roleblocker or a doctor believe they saved someone.
But I am town and using my lunch time to answer this since it got interesting.
On June 21 2016 05:15 CopCake wrote: Rayn you can like take every word i say with tissues because of my grammar, the person that killed yamato is either:
- newbie - rsoultin or you - myself
Obvs is not me because I am town.
Lol, So I have to ask,
Does this mean I am town to you?
Gut says no because of your entry and jokes and now u are all like serious bussiness.
tbh shape i really have a hard time believing that anyone rereading the game OR my filter would have trouble following my line of thought but on the off-chance that you're town or that my impression is wrong, i'll indulge you:
1. gut said super was town for laidback inquisitiveness so i went with that 2. super's "we should kill obv town cause yama is goon" and push on rayn was retarded 3. i thought y'know i doubt he's this retarded, he's prob goon trying to keep us from shooting gf yama and winning the game...so we should prob shoot yama if i'm right 4. shooting someone is better than shooting no one and i'm fine with shooting super for the info if i can't convince people to shoot yama
On June 21 2016 05:08 CopCake wrote: You also know I dont bother with filters I just read people from the experience and from what I remeber. Knowing you I think you wouldnt do this to frame me since as you said it was easier to keep Yamato alive and frame him after killing a dangerous townie (ie you maybe, why wouldnt someone kill the persons that puts so much effort) So unless someone in the future had planned to say "Cake wouldnt be able to kill Rayn so she went to Yamato lol besides cake is the only one who does this type of thing, killing random players" it kinda makes me believe that is either rsoultin or a newbie who i have no idea who is super new gave the shot to yamato.
your theory only really makes sense if...you know...i actually did that xP just saying
My mind is creative and can create all scenarios and possibilities.
cake, the point is you're saying that i'm the most likely scum here because i KNEW that you might make a kill like that for the lolz and wanted to frame you
if that's your reason it's flawed because 1. i haven't tried to frame you. i am quite obviously scumreading shape 2. i actually don't know you well enough to predict your night kills. obviously this is something that i know and you may disagree with, but yeah...i actually said that i doubted you would do this. when this game is over and it's proven that i'm town, you'll see that it's 100% true and your impression of how well you think i know you is wrong lol ><
Probabilities of rayn doing this?
rayn is my top townread for how he is interacting with people this game. this is a read that i historically have a ton of trouble explaining, but to me a scum!rayn appears like a bully shouting at people to lynch someone while a town!rayn might be very opinionated, but is more collaborative...i.e. works with people or at least tries to
^ this method of reading him has not failed me if i recall correctly
but independent of that, his response to the nk was to say that you probably WERE NOT scum for the kill, just like mine. if scum is trying to frame you with it, they obviously can't be us
i think it's time that you drop the theory and try to think of the game without it revolving around you/framing you
and really, my main question to all of these theories is why would someone bother to frame either of you if they could just frame yamato?
On June 21 2016 05:15 CopCake wrote: Rayn you can like take every word i say with tissues because of my grammar, the person that killed yamato is either:
- newbie - rsoultin or you - myself
Obvs is not me because I am town.
Lol, So I have to ask,
Does this mean I am town to you?
Gut says no because of your entry and jokes and now u are all like serious bussiness.
I do not want to lose the game for town.
But, with your logic about who killed Yammty, do I fit it? This I want to know.
But i would rather not focus in my narcissistic mafia playstyle and all the weird shit I am able to pull, I get a lot of vanity and it numbs my logical self.
On June 21 2016 05:08 CopCake wrote: You also know I dont bother with filters I just read people from the experience and from what I remeber. Knowing you I think you wouldnt do this to frame me since as you said it was easier to keep Yamato alive and frame him after killing a dangerous townie (ie you maybe, why wouldnt someone kill the persons that puts so much effort) So unless someone in the future had planned to say "Cake wouldnt be able to kill Rayn so she went to Yamato lol besides cake is the only one who does this type of thing, killing random players" it kinda makes me believe that is either rsoultin or a newbie who i have no idea who is super new gave the shot to yamato.
your theory only really makes sense if...you know...i actually did that xP just saying
My mind is creative and can create all scenarios and possibilities.
cake, the point is you're saying that i'm the most likely scum here because i KNEW that you might make a kill like that for the lolz and wanted to frame you
if that's your reason it's flawed because 1. i haven't tried to frame you. i am quite obviously scumreading shape 2. i actually don't know you well enough to predict your night kills. obviously this is something that i know and you may disagree with, but yeah...i actually said that i doubted you would do this. when this game is over and it's proven that i'm town, you'll see that it's 100% true and your impression of how well you think i know you is wrong lol ><
Probabilities of rayn doing this?
rayn is my top townread for how he is interacting with people this game. this is a read that i historically have a ton of trouble explaining, but to me a scum!rayn appears like a bully shouting at people to lynch someone while a town!rayn might be very opinionated, but is more collaborative...i.e. works with people or at least tries to
^ this method of reading him has not failed me if i recall correctly
but independent of that, his response to the nk was to say that you probably WERE NOT scum for the kill, just like mine. if scum is trying to frame you with it, they obviously can't be us
i think it's time that you drop the theory and try to think of the game without it revolving around you/framing you
and really, my main question to all of these theories is why would someone bother to frame either of you if they could just frame yamato?
On June 21 2016 05:15 CopCake wrote: Rayn you can like take every word i say with tissues because of my grammar, the person that killed yamato is either:
- newbie - rsoultin or you - myself
Obvs is not me because I am town.
Lol, So I have to ask,
Does this mean I am town to you?
Gut says no because of your entry and jokes and now u are all like serious bussiness.
I do not want to lose the game for town.
But, with your logic about who killed Yammty, do I fit it? This I want to know.
Why would you listen my theory if you dont know me?
It is like you want me to focus on this and clean ur name instead of going to the logical way of solving this.
well i'll be honest i can't really discount rayn's comment about skynx...i'd like to hear more from skynx
the problem with shape's response is even though the simplest explanation is him, if he were town here somehow his thought process makes sense -shrugs-
rsoultin thinks mafia is Shapelog. Cake thinks mafia is Shapelog? I am about 55% Shapelog 44% Skynx, 1% Cake. Shapelog thinks mafia is rsoultin (or cake or Skynx??? i am not sure) I don't know who Skynx thinks is mafia.
Skynx when you get back, who is mafia. Shapelog too.
If you don't know who is mafia or cannot make an educated guess, i'd like more questionmarks in your posts.
On June 21 2016 05:30 CopCake wrote: I mean I was tunneling you hard? Until I got asked why or who would shot Yamato.
Fair point,
I wrote that part of the post before I saw those posts.
and really, my main question to all of these theories is why would someone bother to frame either of you if they could just frame yamato?
Cause Yammty actually can play this game as town versus me (i do not want to say cake cuz idk her)? And I have a less likely hood of not convincing people? Cause Yammty saved town in Noir? *Cause remaining player knows Yammty for something they did as town?
rsoultin thinks mafia is Shapelog. Cake thinks mafia is Shapelog? I am about 55% Shapelog 44% Skynx, 1% Cake. Shapelog thinks mafia is rsoultin (or cake or Skynx??? i am not sure) I don't know who Skynx thinks is mafia.
Skynx when you get back, who is mafia. Shapelog too.
If you don't know who is mafia or cannot make an educated guess, i'd like more questionmarks in your posts.
Rsoul/Cake, very off chance maybe you. Skynx for me is not sus. due to the point I made in that post.
and really, my main question to all of these theories is why would someone bother to frame either of you if they could just frame yamato?
Cause Yammty actually can play this game as town versus me (i do not want to say cake cuz idk her)? And I have a less likely hood of not convincing people? Cause Yammty saved town in Noir? *Cause remaining player knows Yammty for something they did as town?
Dude explain to me why would i know about Noir mafia and stuff if i dont read filters and give no fucks? Lol rayn and rsoul can tell you is true. I dont even read set ups. I did here because I got scared when rayn said "you dumbtell you are town" and maybe it was in the rules to not say you are town.
On June 21 2016 05:15 CopCake wrote: Rayn you can like take every word i say with tissues because of my grammar, the person that killed yamato is either:
- newbie - rsoultin or you - myself
Obvs is not me because I am town.
Lol, So I have to ask,
Does this mean I am town to you?
Gut says no because of your entry and jokes and now u are all like serious bussiness.
I do not want to lose the game for town.
But, with your logic about who killed Yammty, do I fit it? This I want to know.
Why would you to listen my theory if you dont know me?
It is like you want me to focus on this and clean ur name instead of going to the logical way of solving this.
What? What does me and your relationship have anything to do with that post? I want to know, if by that theory am I suspect and why? I am currently sus. of you, and want to understand your logic, cause I find it hard to read you.
Ik you still scum read me for the reasons you listed, Nor do I suspect you to drop them.
On June 21 2016 05:30 CopCake wrote: I mean I was tunneling you hard? Until I got asked why or who would shot Yamato.
Fair point,
I wrote that part of the post before I saw those posts.
and really, my main question to all of these theories is why would someone bother to frame either of you if they could just frame yamato?
Cause Yammty actually can play this game as town versus me (i do not want to say cake cuz idk her)? And I have a less likely hood of not convincing people? Cause Yammty saved town in Noir? *Cause remaining player knows Yammty for something they did as town?
Dude explain to me why would i know about Noir mafia and stuff if i dont read filters and give no fucks? Lol rayn and rsoul can tell you is true. I dont even read set ups. I did here because I got scared when rayn said "you dumbtell you are town" and maybe it was in the rules to not say you are town.
I was giving my ideas (to rsoul, the last quote is her words) to why whoever is scum might of done it.
You yourself have said why you could of done it. Same with me. I went with the idea she wanted to know why one of them would do so.
Well i would wait for rayn or rsoultin to tell me "this shapedog is newbie or styx is pretty new" Because there are only two options in this from my point of view:
Mafia is newbie super newbie Mafia knows me and wanted to frame me but as I said rayn is the type of person that loves to do logical things and rsoul well, she could be if the frame thing is real but i doubt it.
The problem I have with you now is like you want me to clear you from a theory you dont even know if it is like logical, you dont know me and i could have made up that lol. I cant clear you, your actions do.
Like at first i read superbia to be town because she seemed normal, your entrance was like too "friendly" jokes and with confidence, not caring, laid back. I read sup town for this and mafia to u.
Then mafia passed and sup didnt act the way i expected (lol see the importance of playing with me) and said messes up shit like "kill the dangerous townie" that thing basically was a slip, "dangerous town" would be someone dumb not someone trying to solve the game.
Because i mostly understand what you are trying to say and i think you would have shot me if you were mafia. Basically, for the first point,while i don't think everything you say makes perfect sense to me, i don't think this is how you would argue if you were mafia, and for the second point, i thought you were calling me mafia on N0 (or at least that's how i interpreted it to some extent), and if you are mafia i pose the biggest threat to you because i can convince the rest of the town to lynch you if i figure you out on D1.
On June 21 2016 05:15 CopCake wrote: Rayn you can like take every word i say with tissues because of my grammar, the person that killed yamato is either:
- newbie - rsoultin or you - myself
Obvs is not me because I am town.
So Shape is never mafia for you? why? Also your filter page3 is pretty much this above repeated but no actual reasonıng, why these reads?
i'm doing that thing again where i just can't understand the possible scum motivation for shooting yamato when super is being voted for vig shot in thread
i can't definitively say that i believe cake and skynx are cleared here (and part of me cringes at the idea of possibly being wrong on rayn but honestly i'm just never gonna vote him this game cause i'd like to trust my read on him lol ><)
but just the idea of scum willfully and knowingly voting for super WHILE shooting yamato while they could change it, or vote for someone else, idk. i just don't think that ever happens here
i don't want to be wrong, rayn, but i have a hard time seeing anyone but an afk shapelog being scum with super here. it's just such an unnecessary thing for scum to do. like we can argue that it's confusing as shit to have a yamato shot here until the cows come home, and it is, and it does make my brain hurt a bit...
but i just don't see why scum ever goes through the effort here to make it more difficult to win just cuz. like i don't think cake does this, and i don't know skynx, but i do know that he was at least present enough to vote for super and seemed to understand what we were thinking so unless he's the sort to think it would be stylistically cool...
the simplest explanation is just that it was shapelog and scum wasn't here to change their shot
On June 20 2016 06:21 Skynx wrote: Meh i think super is goon trying to take a shot for yamato
Yeah, skynx definitely understood where the lynch was likely to go if/when super flipped goon
-pokes at skynx-
the reason you thinking yamato was goon beforehand doesn't make you town, skynxy, is godfather would know who the goon was. that's what rayn is getting at
anyway, i'd like to hear from people, especially if y'all think my reasoning's flawed
I think you're misinterpreting the scum plot here. Superbia was intentionally being scummy, he wanted to get shot. GF is someone pushing for Super shot and congrats now he's pretty much blend in. We lynched the goon and they killed the only other point of argument so we have no basis to work on basically.
I'm sooooo inclined taking rayn off my list cuz I can't imagine a scum being this tryhard for blending in and he's just the town mayor. Shape wasn't around for Super lynch and he didn't even confirm his vote so I can take him off based on my reasoning of mafia plot.
That gives me around 12 hours to figure out between tina and cop.
On June 21 2016 19:29 Skynx wrote: Shape wasn't around for Super lynch and he didn't even confirm his vote so I can take him off based on my reasoning of mafia plot.
So you completely disagree with the "scum were trying to shoot the same person town shoots" argument? Why?
I mean, at the time Superbia left the thread there was a chance that yamato was gonna get shot by the town instead of him (at least i was heavily questioning if at the time -- if you read the thread). Shapelog was not here at all and if he is mafia he has most likely had no say in the mafia shot. Superbia cannot place the shot on himself, so why is it completely impossible that Superbia just gambled and left the shot on yamato (that IS the best play for mafia in case townie gets shot, to shoot the same person town shoots). Especially since Superbia is not a dumb player, why is this not a possible explanation?
i'm doing that thing again where i just can't understand the possible scum motivation for shooting yamato when super is being voted for vig shot in thread
i can't definitively say that i believe cake and skynx are cleared here (and part of me cringes at the idea of possibly being wrong on rayn but honestly i'm just never gonna vote him this game cause i'd like to trust my read on him lol ><)
but just the idea of scum willfully and knowingly voting for super WHILE shooting yamato while they could change it, or vote for someone else, idk. i just don't think that ever happens here
i don't want to be wrong, rayn, but i have a hard time seeing anyone but an afk shapelog being scum with super here. it's just such an unnecessary thing for scum to do. like we can argue that it's confusing as shit to have a yamato shot here until the cows come home, and it is, and it does make my brain hurt a bit...
but i just don't see why scum ever goes through the effort here to make it more difficult to win just cuz. like i don't think cake does this, and i don't know skynx, but i do know that he was at least present enough to vote for super and seemed to understand what we were thinking so unless he's the sort to think it would be stylistically cool...
the simplest explanation is just that it was shapelog and scum wasn't here to change their shot
On June 20 2016 06:21 Skynx wrote: Meh i think super is goon trying to take a shot for yamato
Yeah, skynx definitely understood where the lynch was likely to go if/when super flipped goon
-pokes at skynx-
the reason you thinking yamato was goon beforehand doesn't make you town, skynxy, is godfather would know who the goon was. that's what rayn is getting at
anyway, i'd like to hear from people, especially if y'all think my reasoning's flawed
I think you're misinterpreting the scum plot here. Superbia was intentionally being scummy, he wanted to get shot. GF is someone pushing for Super shot and congrats now he's pretty much blend in. We lynched the goon and they killed the only other point of argument so we have no basis to work on basically.
Because we know that yamato was town and this is a more complicated path to the same end, basically. It's possible, of course, but at the end of the day it's simply less intelligent.
If yama were alive right now the likelihood that town ever lynches anyone else is very small. This d1 is, you have to see, hugely more unpredictable and therefore more risky for scum.
That said, you invalidated where my thoughts were going so... -shrugs-
i will be here in a couple of hours or so. I'll try to sleep a bit since i am really sick. How the fuck someone gets a flu in the middle of summer??
Skynx is probably not scum since he is not taking any outs he is being given here. If it's just super good mafia play then i tip my hat to him. More likely though he just genuinely believes in what he says and how he thinks the kill went off.
On June 22 2016 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: i will be here in a couple of hours or so. I'll try to sleep a bit since i am really sick. How the fuck someone gets a flu in the middle of summer??
Skynx is probably not scum since he is not taking any outs he is being given here. If it's just super good mafia play then i tip my hat to him. More likely though he just genuinely believes in what he says and how he thinks the kill went off.
exactly this lol >< i expect scum who isn't being voted to either a) be less choosy in general and hemming/hawing over who to vote cause they honestly just don't care or b) pushing for the easy (and only really) alternative to their own lynch
On June 21 2016 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shapelog have you looked at how the last ~5 hours of the night evolved? This is based on your theory answer.
Yes and,
On June 21 2016 05:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk where you get the "flip-flopping"...
I missed read it. Rsoul already clear that up.
On June 21 2016 05:48 CopCake wrote: Well i would wait for rayn or rsoultin to tell me "this shapedog is newbie or styx is pretty new" Because there are only two options in this from my point of view:
Mafia is newbie super newbie Mafia knows me and wanted to frame me but as I said rayn is the type of person that loves to do logical things and rsoul well, she could be if the frame thing is real but i doubt it.
The problem I have with you now is like you want me to clear you from a theory you dont even know if it is like logical, you dont know me and i could have made up that lol. I cant clear you, your actions do.
Why do they have to tell you in particular? I am not trying to clear my name from you Via this. If I was, I would be focusing on more of the probs. you have with me in regards with the forced jokes idea. You already have posted that you think of me.
The reason why I am interested in yours is that you are the only other person who suggested a frame shot. I am not sure what to make out of it rn in terms of your alignment, but it has interested me.
On June 21 2016 05:51 CopCake wrote: Like at first i read superbia to be town because she seemed normal, your entrance was like too "friendly" jokes and with confidence, not caring, laid back. I read sup town for this and mafia to u.
Then mafia passed and sup didnt act the way i expected (lol see the importance of playing with me) and said messes up shit like "kill the dangerous townie" that thing basically was a slip, "dangerous town" would be someone dumb not someone trying to solve the game.
Eh, I do one more post towards actively defending myself before I just ignore it and (hopefully) find scum.
I plan things out as scum. This is very fucking evdicent in the scum qt's of mine. Now, you can say all you want about me being AFK or what not, but I would of already have started to talk to Super about a plan of some sorts, or have detail what I wanted to do in day 1 (as I was being town read, and most likely scum!Shape would of thought he would of reached D1) and super would of known what I was planning.
I also have a agenda that works with said plan. Tell me, what is my agenda here? Shoot Yammty, argue with people that I was frame and magically I will win? Especially with Ryan and Rsoul, who know me very well, being in the game? Not to mention, that I am super aware of how people see me as scum, and would of adapted to the situation, and not do something so stupid.
I am not going to argue if Super would or wouldn't shoot Yammto cause I really do not fucking known period. It could be for Ryan's reasoning, it could be a frame shot (Since I was afk, and could be a target) etc. I have no evdince, unlike my meta point above, to based anything on, and am not going to lead this into a a WIFOM measuring contest.
Yes, I am a cute scummer that likes cute plays sure. I also know how to play a soild scum mafia style as well, and would be doing so due to my reputation I built after storm. I am not dumb, hell, in name SL jumped me after my 1st few posts for being "cute". IK people know that I am known for this kinda Bullshit, and very few other people (certainly not anyone in this game, other then maybe cake, which I would've known anyways before shot) do what I am known to do.
I mean, outside of the shot, why am I scum? I guess you could add my defensiveness to it, yet meta wise that can go either way.
both super and you were demonstrably afk by the time the vig shot was shifting to super -shrugs- that's the crux of the argument against you, not that you would do this knowingly as scum
if you're town, the best thing that you can do is try to find scum and convince me that way, not make flawed defenses like this that honestly, to me, are flatly disingenuous
i understand how someone with such a good scum record can think that he's good at scum, but i personally have NEVER understood how you got away with it in the first place. lylo with all but confirmed blues is retarded. you got away with it precisely because that move is SO BAD people didn't think scum could do it. that doesn't make you a good scum player. it makes you a nutter lol ><
not that i'm complaining <3 i enjoyed that win. but no, i don't find your scum play impressive. and regardless, no matter what anyone's impression of your scum play is, a kill can't be changed when the scum team is afk. the theory is sound
On June 22 2016 01:35 rsoultin wrote: this game. you're arguing irrelevant points
this game, I am town folk looking for a dutch mailman on his way to deliver mail to his lover. Who was framed for the murder of said Dutch mailman, and now is getting unfairly chased by a girl with a wet noddle, who has finally caught up to me. Yet, I know if I go to jail, the real murder will walk away freely. So I must fight for my survival, and catch the perk.
On June 22 2016 01:35 rsoultin wrote: this game. you're arguing irrelevant points
this game, I am town folk looking for a dutch mailman on his way to deliver mail to his lover. Who was framed for the murder of said Dutch mailman, and now is getting unfairly chased by a girl with a wet noddle, who has finally caught up to me. Yet, I know if I go to jail, the real murder will walk away freely. So I must fight for my survival, and catch the perk.
Which one sounds more correct?
it sounds like you know what you have to do but still aren't doing it. believe it or not, if i didn't care about being right or not i wouldn't be pushing you this hard. i'd just let you babble about irrelevant things. i suggest that you find the "perk" as you say if you're town...while i'm willing to accept that i bear part of the blame in being wrong if we lose, your behavior today will not win you much sympathy from me
i'm giving you all the room you need and even trying to focus you. please use it. otherwise, feel free to continue blathering about nothing if you're scum ^^ that'll make it easier for all of us
i'm giving you all the room you need and even trying to focus you. please use it. otherwise, feel free to continue blathering about nothing if you're scum ^^ that'll make it easier for all of us
I am actually trying to build back my mood for playing mafia. My other game ended like right as I got on, and I am having probs. getting back in a mafia solving mood after it.
i'm giving you all the room you need and even trying to focus you. please use it. otherwise, feel free to continue blathering about nothing if you're scum ^^ that'll make it easier for all of us
I am actually trying to build back my mood for playing mafia. My other game ended like right as I got on, and I am having probs. getting back in a mafia solving mood after it.
well, it's on you ^^; not trying to be bad, but the majority of what i've been doing all day phase is attempting to keep an open mind and get other opinions, because my gut and logic says it's you but i don't want to do what i did with tumblewood lol ><
idk how to help you get your mojo back other than by not burying you and actually considering what you say when you post so...yeah. bbl
On June 22 2016 01:10 Shapelog wrote: Eh, I do one more post towards actively defending myself before I just ignore it and (hopefully) find scum.
I plan things out as scum. This is very fucking evdicent in the scum qt's of mine. Now, you can say all you want about me being AFK or what not, but I would of already have started to talk to Super about a plan of some sorts, or have detail what I wanted to do in day 1 (as I was being town read, and most likely scum!Shape would of thought he would of reached D1) and super would of known what I was planning.
I also have a agenda that works with said plan. Tell me, what is my agenda here? Shoot Yammty, argue with people that I was frame and magically I will win? Especially with Ryan and Rsoul, who know me very well, being in the game? Not to mention, that I am super aware of how people see me as scum, and would of adapted to the situation, and not do something so stupid.
I am not going to argue if Super would or wouldn't shoot Yammto cause I really do not fucking known period. It could be for Ryan's reasoning, it could be a frame shot (Since I was afk, and could be a target) etc. I have no evdince, unlike my meta point above, to based anything on, and am not going to lead this into a a WIFOM measuring contest.
Yes, I am a cute scummer that likes cute plays sure. I also know how to play a soild scum mafia style as well, and would be doing so due to my reputation I built after storm. I am not dumb, hell, in name SL jumped me after my 1st few posts for being "cute". IK people know that I am known for this kinda Bullshit, and very few other people (certainly not anyone in this game, other then maybe cake, which I would've known anyways before shot) do what I am known to do.
I mean, outside of the shot, why am I scum? I guess you could add my defensiveness to it, yet meta wise that can go either way.
I'll try to explain as well as i possibly can. This is not only to Shapelog but to all the players.
1. The night kill and the framing theory. If you assume the framing theory is correct, you have to assume the play goes into motion when Superbia starts calling a shot on me in thread. It basically has to, because that's when he became a reasonable shot target for the town - aka started looking scummy. Now if we go with your theory, it makes absolutely no sense for either me or rsoultin to make such play. Yamato is already a scumread for basically all the players in the game, and he hard-townreads me and townreads rsoultin. Basically regardless what yamato does, starts playing better or not, he is already in a position where he cannot possibly call either of us mafia on D1, and that makes my / rsoultin's job easier in case we are mafia. Or if he does, he will look worse than which again makes our job easier - since he will be even more likely to get lynched. That is why i completely discarded rsoultin from being mafia right after the day start. It just makes absolutely no sense for her to make the game HARDER to win, especially since what she said is completely correct, if she was mafia there is a chance that i pick up something on her, let it be a fuck-up or not and get her lynched.
2. Based on the above, i thought mafia is in you, Skynx and Cake. I don't believe in the framing theory. I don't believe it is true, even if you are town Shapelog. Just because there are too many assumptions to be made for the scumteam BEFORE the things that happened did happen. That's why it sounds utterly retarded to me. If someone framed you they would have to (1) predict 3 hours before the deadline that you are not gonna show up, (2) predict that yamato starts making irrational posts about Superbia and (3) predict that someone brings up the "Shapelog is scum" theory after the deadline (technically this could indicate rsoultin, but again -- see 1. ). If ALL of those things do not happen, scum are absolutely fucked, always. The play is just so bad it doesn't make any sense for anyone. So yes, the easiest explanation is that there is noone trying to frame you if you are town. This brings me to the following:
Who would make that night kill? You totally would -- for the reasons brought up before. Even if we completely ignore the afk thing, you could still make the kill (or Superbia), because yamato voted for you. Skynx could make the kill too, for the reasons outlined. While yamato didn't call him his #1 scum (i assume, since he voted to night vigi you) he was one of the people calling Skynx mafia. I thought Cake wouldn't make the kill, apparently she could have.
So at this point i am at Shapelog Skynx Cake
Here is why i think Skynx is not mafia:
On June 22 2016 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Skynx is probably not scum since he is not taking any outs he is being given here. If it's just super good mafia play then i tip my hat to him. More likely though he just genuinely believes in what he says and how he thinks the kill went off.
Like throughout the day he has been presented differing scenarios that are logically sound and call someone else scum, he chooses to not take any of them. Even when at least me and rsoultin were considering the possibility of him being mafia he stood his ground. It's extremely unlike he does that as mafia. I don't think he is right in what he assumes happened, but that doesn't make him scum, since what he is saying makes sense.
Here is why i think Cake is not mafia: Cake called out the difference in Shapelog's behavior after the deadline. There actually is a notable difference. I think that was one of the best notions anyone has made in this game, albeit it was based on one post. But it has continued, and Cake is quite good in reading into those kinda things before other people. Also regardless of what Cake says, i think she would have still shot me since i am the most likely person to get her lynched if she is mafia. I also believe, based on the PYP scum QT, if Cake was mafia Superbia probably had a lot to say in the night kill. In PYP Cake never decided the night kills, since she was busy (like she is now). If Superbia decided the kill by himself, yamato is never going to be shot here, unless again, Shapelog or Skynx (people yamato called mafia) is scum.
3. Shapelog's behavior during Day 1. Normally when flips happen, people get new information and use that information to update their reads and make conclusions from the reads. Shapelog goes to the other direction. In these posts here, here and here, he basically presents a theory and starts mulling it over. That in itself is not bad or scummy, but when the mulling over goes on and on and on and never ends up in any decent conclusion while there are decent points and arguments why, based on his theory, certain people look way more townie than the rest of the people from the group (see 1. and 2.). It just doesn't make any sense that he never comes to any real conclusion on any of the people, and that is characteristic to his scumplay. In Storm mafia for example, Shapelog was ALWAYS the last person to vote, and last person to voice his opinion. Exaggeratedly saying his scumplay revolves around hanging in shadows and just make the town lynch some other people and then wait people to call other people scum. At this moment, at least when started to write this post, he STILL has no conclusions. In my opinion those conclusions should be fairly easy to make if you just take a couple of tens of minutes to read what ACTUALLY happened at the end of D1. Shapelog has been posting a lot, yet not done this.
TLDR; Why Shapelog is mafia: 1. process of elimination 2. last paragraph
On June 21 2016 19:29 Skynx wrote: Shape wasn't around for Super lynch and he didn't even confirm his vote so I can take him off based on my reasoning of mafia plot.
So you completely disagree with the "scum were trying to shoot the same person town shoots" argument? Why?
Nana you got it wrong. I think mafia QT was like: Vito Corleone: yo super my boy go act scummy so they kill you then we shoot Yamato so they start day from zero. I'm gona push you aswell so they don't suspect me one bit. Superbia: Sure papa.
Shape can't be mafia cuz he'd be around for pushing super last minute. Or at least thats how i see things.
i'm doing that thing again where i just can't understand the possible scum motivation for shooting yamato when super is being voted for vig shot in thread
i can't definitively say that i believe cake and skynx are cleared here (and part of me cringes at the idea of possibly being wrong on rayn but honestly i'm just never gonna vote him this game cause i'd like to trust my read on him lol ><)
but just the idea of scum willfully and knowingly voting for super WHILE shooting yamato while they could change it, or vote for someone else, idk. i just don't think that ever happens here
i don't want to be wrong, rayn, but i have a hard time seeing anyone but an afk shapelog being scum with super here. it's just such an unnecessary thing for scum to do. like we can argue that it's confusing as shit to have a yamato shot here until the cows come home, and it is, and it does make my brain hurt a bit...
but i just don't see why scum ever goes through the effort here to make it more difficult to win just cuz. like i don't think cake does this, and i don't know skynx, but i do know that he was at least present enough to vote for super and seemed to understand what we were thinking so unless he's the sort to think it would be stylistically cool...
the simplest explanation is just that it was shapelog and scum wasn't here to change their shot
On June 21 2016 03:29 rsoultin wrote:
On June 20 2016 06:21 Skynx wrote: Meh i think super is goon trying to take a shot for yamato
Yeah, skynx definitely understood where the lynch was likely to go if/when super flipped goon
-pokes at skynx-
the reason you thinking yamato was goon beforehand doesn't make you town, skynxy, is godfather would know who the goon was. that's what rayn is getting at
anyway, i'd like to hear from people, especially if y'all think my reasoning's flawed
I think you're misinterpreting the scum plot here. Superbia was intentionally being scummy, he wanted to get shot. GF is someone pushing for Super shot and congrats now he's pretty much blend in. We lynched the goon and they killed the only other point of argument so we have no basis to work on basically.
Because we know that yamato was town and this is a more complicated path to the same end, basically. It's possible, of course, but at the end of the day it's simply less intelligent.
If yama were alive right now the likelihood that town ever lynches anyone else is very small. This d1 is, you have to see, hugely more unpredictable and therefore more risky for scum.
That said, you invalidated where my thoughts were going so... -shrugs-
Not rly. If we still killed Super and mafia shot someone else, I'd doubt many people would insta join me on the vote. Imo its like way too bait for mafia to go for Yamato lynch after i called him GF hiding behind Super, i mean it'd be so obvious.
On June 22 2016 02:30 Skynx wrote: Vito Corleone: yo super my boy go act scummy so they kill you then we shoot Yamato so they start day from zero. I'm gona push you aswell so they don't suspect me one bit. Superbia: Sure papa.
Shape can't be mafia cuz he'd be around for pushing super last minute. Or at least thats how i see things.
The problem with this is the following: Let's say -3 is town victory and 3 is mafia victory on the scale. Why would mafia wanna start from 0 when they can start from 2? That is the crux of the argument.
I mean Skynx, if that is your argument, i can tell you it only applies to you being mafia.
Because i know noone else in this game thinks so. Even if you think that's what mafia could have done it is 100% certain that noone else does (well Cake says she does but... even Superbia doesn't and as i said i dont think superbia would have let cake make that kill for your reasoning).
Noramlly scum kill people who: 1. are on the right track 2. are the biggest threat to your team 3. you can't lynch 4. blue reads (but that doesnt apply here)
On June 22 2016 02:30 Skynx wrote: Vito Corleone: yo super my boy go act scummy so they kill you then we shoot Yamato so they start day from zero. I'm gona push you aswell so they don't suspect me one bit. Superbia: Sure papa.
Shape can't be mafia cuz he'd be around for pushing super last minute. Or at least thats how i see things.
The problem with this is the following: Let's say -3 is town victory and 3 is mafia victory on the scale. Why would mafia wanna start from 0 when they can start from 2? That is the crux of the argument.
Thats just another strategy of going about it. Super's behavior tells me that mafia just opted for this kind of play straight up. They could ve done what you suggested but Super would've played better if that was the case, least of all not attack you.
you may be right, skynx. the thing i often say to the less experienced scum players on my scum teams is "never underestimate the town derp"
i've considered alternatives though and this is where i ended up. all i'm going to ask of you is to consider that you could possibly be wrong and evaluate shapelog independent of your theory which (you must admit) may or may not be correct
i have independent reasons to townread all three of you apart from just "sl makes the most sense as scum to me here"
rayn: town meta (we've played a ton of games together and i'm usually right on him) cake: clueless (w/ super, i doubt she'd be that last on the scum comp) you: not playing to win if scum
shape: ??????? only real positive i have for him is early game was more like his town meta, but rayn's right in that this is how he plays scum late game when he has no one to buss...just waffle everywhere and hope town derps
That is true. Knowing yamato also flipped town Superbia clearly wanted to get shot. For most of the players who were here when Superbia started getting widely scumread yamato is still the worst shot because if Superbia gets shot he is still the #1 lynch target going into D1.
On June 22 2016 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean Skynx, if that is your argument, i can tell you it only applies to you being mafia.
Because i know noone else in this game thinks so. Even if you think that's what mafia could have done it is 100% certain that noone else does (well Cake says she does but... even Superbia doesn't and as i said i dont think superbia would have let cake make that kill for your reasoning).
Noramlly scum kill people who: 1. are on the right track 2. are the biggest threat to your team 3. you can't lynch 4. blue reads (but that doesnt apply here)
Yeah i see where you coming from but sometimes i think throwing a curveball is a better play and the core mechanic of this play 100% suggest the kind of play im talking about.
Those 1, 2 and 3 you talking about are super hard targets to lynch and basically town has to decide lynching only 1 out of 5 where lot of people are like that. Mafia is basically forcing a logical shot by you on Shapelog because he looks the scummiest. I dunno thats the best i can explain my thoughts
On June 22 2016 02:30 Skynx wrote: Vito Corleone: yo super my boy go act scummy so they kill you then we shoot Yamato so they start day from zero. I'm gona push you aswell so they don't suspect me one bit. Superbia: Sure papa.
Shape can't be mafia cuz he'd be around for pushing super last minute. Or at least thats how i see things.
The problem with this is the following: Let's say -3 is town victory and 3 is mafia victory on the scale. Why would mafia wanna start from 0 when they can start from 2? That is the crux of the argument.
Thats just another strategy of going about it. Super's behavior tells me that mafia just opted for this kind of play straight up. They could ve done what you suggested but Super would've played better if that was the case, least of all not attack you.
if yama flips town and we've vig shot him (which was where the game was at when super posted) where does that put him? it has super hard-defending yamato who was town...what would you think of his alignment then?
On June 22 2016 02:30 Skynx wrote: Vito Corleone: yo super my boy go act scummy so they kill you then we shoot Yamato so they start day from zero. I'm gona push you aswell so they don't suspect me one bit. Superbia: Sure papa.
Shape can't be mafia cuz he'd be around for pushing super last minute. Or at least thats how i see things.
The problem with this is the following: Let's say -3 is town victory and 3 is mafia victory on the scale. Why would mafia wanna start from 0 when they can start from 2? That is the crux of the argument.
Thats just another strategy of going about it. Super's behavior tells me that mafia just opted for this kind of play straight up. They could ve done what you suggested but Super would've played better if that was the case, least of all not attack you.
if yama flips town and we've vig shot him (which was where the game was at when super posted) where does that put him? it has super hard-defending yamato who was town...what would you think of his alignment then?
I would never have changed my mind cuz i was sure of my read. If mafia didnt shoot Yamato i'd vote him. Same if we vig shot Yamato, which was my original plan.
On June 22 2016 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean Skynx, if that is your argument, i can tell you it only applies to you being mafia.
Because i know noone else in this game thinks so. Even if you think that's what mafia could have done it is 100% certain that noone else does (well Cake says she does but... even Superbia doesn't and as i said i dont think superbia would have let cake make that kill for your reasoning).
Noramlly scum kill people who: 1. are on the right track 2. are the biggest threat to your team 3. you can't lynch 4. blue reads (but that doesnt apply here)
Yeah i see where you coming from but sometimes i think throwing a curveball is a better play and the core mechanic of this play 100% suggest the kind of play im talking about.
Those 1, 2 and 3 you talking about are super hard targets to lynch and basically town has to decide lynching only 1 out of 5 where lot of people are like that. Mafia is basically forcing a logical shot by you on Shapelog because he looks the scummiest. I dunno thats the best i can explain my thoughts
we understand what you're saying. i personally just don't agree that this is the most likely scenario. plays like the one you're describing are generally made when scum is in a good spot...or so bad a spot that they figure they might as well go for the confusion play cause it can't get any worse
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here. If you do, please do tell.
Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.
One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.
anyway, i'm really just not inclined to change because of the reasons i have to townread the other players, and frankly regardless of shape's alignment it's pretty clear that he doesn't care who scum actually is since he can't be assed to put in the effort to help us find them
if he didn't have time and wasn't posting that might be different. rayn summed it up super well, though
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here. If you do, please do tell.
Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.
One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.
why do you think mafia would lose if super wasn't vig shot?
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here. If you do, please do tell.
Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.
One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.
why do you think mafia would lose if super wasn't vig shot?
Cuz we'd lynch him today as he acted so scummy already.
On June 22 2016 03:04 rsoultin wrote: anyway, i'm really just not inclined to change because of the reasons i have to townread the other players, and frankly regardless of shape's alignment it's pretty clear that he doesn't care who scum actually is since he can't be assed to put in the effort to help us find them
if he didn't have time and wasn't posting that might be different. rayn summed it up super well, though
That would be a fine lynch for a normal mafia game, but we can't afford it here.
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here. If you do, please do tell.
Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.
One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.
The problem is why does Superbia make that play then? Cake was not scumread, Superbia was not scumread by anyone except me. Why not shoot me and be townread instead of making a play you don't even know will succeed?
Bah sorry for this kind of try hardness, I'm kinda angry on myself cuz i was sure of my read and did nothing to convince u guys to lynch Super D1 so im trying to make up for it
in d1 lylo...that's a 1 in 3 chance of landing on mafia randomly and town has to be fairly coordinated/agreed on who they're going to lynch?
like yeah super was acting scummy you're right but he chose to, skynx. it wasn't until he came out hard-defending yamato and pushing the let's lynch rayn idea that a lot of people started wanting to lynch him, unless i'm misremembering?
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here. If you do, please do tell.
Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.
One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.
The problem is why does Superbia make that play then? Cake was not scumread, Superbia was not scumread by anyone except me. Why not shoot me and be townread instead of making a play you don't even know will succeed?
How does shooting you gives towncred? Super was scumread by three including me you n tina, Shape likely to vote Super aswell beacuase of earlier beef.
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here. If you do, please do tell.
Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.
One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.
The problem is why does Superbia make that play then? Cake was not scumread, Superbia was not scumread by anyone except me. Why not shoot me and be townread instead of making a play you don't even know will succeed?
How does shooting you gives towncred? Super was scumread by three including me you n tina, Shape likely to vote Super aswell beacuase of earlier beef.
no? my scumreads were cop and yamato...super's we should vig shot rayn as scariest town line was where i flipped
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here. If you do, please do tell.
Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.
One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.
The problem is why does Superbia make that play then? Cake was not scumread, Superbia was not scumread by anyone except me. Why not shoot me and be townread instead of making a play you don't even know will succeed?
How does shooting you gives towncred? Super was scumread by three including me you n tina, Shape likely to vote Super aswell beacuase of earlier beef.
He was not scumread before he started attacking me. As i said before, if what you suggested is the correct explanation that's when the play is on already (Superbia wanting to get shot). That's why it doesn't make sense to me, because at that time i was the only person scumreading him.
anyway lol yeah rayn is right i should drop it, too -stretches- i don't really think that it's cake but i just want to ask you if you're very sure, rayn? cause yeah if it's skynx he's playing scum excellently here lol >< so i don't think i'm ever going to vote him
On June 20 2016 00:53 CopCake wrote: Also rayn you know i bus hard when i think clearly is 100% mafia and rn I will go Sup with it.
On June 20 2016 04:56 CopCake wrote: Let me get something
Mafia godfather is the person that when a cop checks him gets he is town, that is what i know.
How does it work here if there is no cop?
On June 20 2016 04:57 CopCake wrote: I wanna know if the role godfather works the same here as the one i am used to in other sites.
^ honestly this just wins major swag points if cake is scum this game lol >< she would have told us her plan directly plus played at being dumb about her own role
yeah i think i'm comfortable w/ my vote. i'll bebop by closer to deadline to see if anyone comes in with a EUREKA! point that just makes my head spin and makes me worship them as the god of all mafia >> (or, you know, mentions something i missed lol ><)
Professor Shapelog's Disco Read Party of Nonsensical Title, Followed by Dis-guesting Reads
I've reread the game, looked through everyone's filter etc. Still working, Posting this just to have something out to be discussed.
Page annalist: Game start - page 8, me, rsoul, and super. Jokes, Tr from Super on me
Page 8 - Page end of 8, Ryan and Yammty enters
Page 9- Yammty joke, Ryan wants tina killed, cake enters, questions ryan, Tr's Super and yammty. Vows to give me hell. Rsoul Tr's me, Skynx enters, Ryan responds to Cake with a question, Ryan questions Super's reason to TR me (weirdly not Rsoul's), Ryan question's Skynx
Page 10 - Skynx answers no, states ]Super is simular. Ryan Responds to that, and his drunken ego. Ryan TR's me being town possibly, Cop responds with question to Ryan's question that was responding to Cops question that responded to ryan's question. Ryan responded with question, then asks another one about super/yammty town reads from cake. Cake states why (tone and yammty sounds better), Ryan disproves it, calls Super's logic weak for TR and explains how to TR yammty. Ryan with Cop read logic, Cop responds with Super seems normal, never scum read you.
This is just getting to fucking long At this point. And am wasting my time just cataloging this shit.
Lets look through the guy who flipped scum, like a smart person would.
-----Super:
Ryan is just everywhere in his filter. Once you get passed the interaction he had with me and Rsoul, a good chuck left is Ryan posts. Most of this are the questions about his TR on me, and then the Ryan is the scariest townie math and aftermath.
Cop is mentioned near the end more. Super questions her after the change in reads, and then again about her read on him. 2nd shot for Super
Town read me. Didn't interact because I wasn't here.
Interaction with Rsoul stops after the joking posts. Rso was third shoot for him. Noting directed at Rsoultin.
TR on Super for being diff. interaction towards the end.
Alright, So Super (goon) had a huge range of different levels of interaction. To POE this and narrow this down, I am going to remove some people.
Skynx: Not at all like how he was in the newbie + Could of jumped on me. He seems to be looking at things with a townie mindset due to how he is very questioning about the thread and situations. His interaction with super was on a level upon which I do not feel would be team. I feel like they would have interacted a bit more or less. Basically he is at a happy medium.
If I did have to a rise a negative point though, it would have to be that he look back for a suspect via the super push that much. Minor complaint.
So now the pool is Ryan/Cop/Rsoul, lets go further.
Cop Early town read on Super. Her filter is a bit full of Night 1 talk with super, but this is most towards Ryan's questions. Also includes Rso and Ryan to the conversation. My and sky interactions were a bit missing, but I get more onto that in the next paragraph.
And now this gets into the highly conversational part of this read, and this is the character of Cake. Anything That I say here is not meet to be insulting (not that it should be) or judgmental. Cake is somewhat of ENSP and a INTJ mixed (kinda) She is uncomfortable with people she doesn't know very well, and is more likely to talk to those she does know. Multiple posts, suggest this (especially the one with her listening to Ryan and Rsoul about my and Sky newbness if stated)
So what does this mean? This means that it makes sense for her NOT to interact as heavily as she does with Rsoul or Ryan. In addition, I feel like she would WANT to go against this and would interact more with me and sky if she was scum, due to the logic of not being able to be tied to being scum. And while she did scum read me, Skynx was pretty untouched Day 1, and only consider around the time of the Framing idea.
That last paragraph basically is saying, that she is being herself this game, and isn't stressed to be someone she isn't.
Then the framing idea, Both me and her had the same idea (admittedly, not over the same stuff lol) but why would mafia reveal a Framing idea shortly after mine (I mean, theoretically she could copy it, but I do not think so)? Why even state it at all.
Plus, nothing of her and Super interaction reads heavily for me as scum v scum.
So it has to be one of Ryan and Rsoul (assuming I am not wrong here) So Plottwist time, 1 has heavily interacted with Ryan, and the other, Super barely interacted with.
Diving their filters, will have thoughts. Clearing my mind so I am not going to bias it off of some stupid shit here like "Ryan is so inquisitive, blah blah blah" anymore either.
And now this gets into the highly conversational part of this read, and this is the character of Cake. Anything That I say here is not meet to be insulting (not that it should be) or judgmental. Cake is somewhat of ENSP and a INTJ mixed (kinda) She is uncomfortable with people she doesn't know very well, and is more likely to talk to those she does know. Multiple posts, suggest this (especially the one with her listening to Ryan and Rsoul about my and Sky newbness if stated)
So what does this mean? This means that it makes sense for her NOT to interact as heavily as she does with Rsoul or Ryan. In addition, I feel like she would WANT to go against this and would interact more with me and sky if she was scum, due to the logic of not being able to be tied to being scum. And while she did scum read me, Skynx was pretty untouched Day 1, and only consider around the time of the Framing idea.
This makes zero sense at all.
"Cake's personality is that she will most likely talk to people she knows the best the most, so as mafia she would do the opposite to not get caught".
Even if this is true, and you'd have a correct view of her meta (which you don't), this doesn't make any sense in any world.
Another hot tip; If you are town and going to argue towards the narrative of mafia framing you, i suggest you debunk the evidence posted in thread that suggests the narrative is just incorrect. If you are scum and the play is to get Cake vote with you and get Skynx to switch his vote, feel free to continue what you are doing.
I am not even wasting the time with the framing idea anymore. I only posted that in her section of the read, because she had a similar idea.
Say what you want, Cake has been extremely focus/more contactable with you and Rsoul this game then me or skynx. This I find we both can agree on. I can quote a number of posts the supports that Idea.
Another hot tip; If you are town and going to argue towards the narrative of mafia framing you, i suggest you debunk the evidence posted in thread that suggests the narrative is just incorrect. If you are scum and the play is to get Cake vote with you and get Skynx to switch his vote, feel free to continue what you are doing.
So I cannot be town trying to actually give a solid conclusion, outside of a theory I have, and found that they are both town? Why do you think me TRing them is going to make them flock to my side? Shouldn't they be more wary of me because I am sus of 2 players they both have a strong opinion about?
Or (and I am going to be cheeky) are you scum, and actually worrying that I get on the right track?
On June 22 2016 05:26 Shapelog wrote: I am not even wasting the time with the framing idea anymore. I only posted that in her section of the read, because she had a similar idea.
(1)Say what you want, Cake has been extremely focus/more contactable with you and Rsoul this game then me or skynx. This I find we both can agree on. I can quote a number of posts the supports that Idea.
Another hot tip; If you are town and going to argue towards the narrative of mafia framing you, i suggest you debunk the evidence posted in thread that suggests the narrative is just incorrect. If you are scum and the play is to get Cake vote with you and get Skynx to switch his vote, feel free to continue what you are doing.
(2)So I cannot be town trying to actually give a solid conclusion, outside of a theory I have, and found that they are both town? Why do you think me TRing them is going to make them flock to my side? Shouldn't they be more wary of me because I am sus of 2 players they both have a strong opinion about?
Or (and I am going to be cheeky) are you scum, and actually worrying that I get on the right track?
(1) Yes she has, and that doesn't make her anything. Especially based on how you put it because you said as scum she would try to act townie in our eyes by acting unnaturally - and that makes her town.
(2) The thing is those are not solid conclusions. They don't even look remotely close to solid conclusions (see (1)). If you are mafia that's the only thing you can do rofl.. I think you are smart enough to realize me and rsoultin are highly unlike to change our votes in comparison to Cake who "agreed to the framing theory" and Skynx who doesn't really seem to be thinking you are scum. Come on, don't play stupid.....
On June 22 2016 05:26 Shapelog wrote: I am not even wasting the time with the framing idea anymore. I only posted that in her section of the read, because she had a similar idea.
(1)Say what you want, Cake has been extremely focus/more contactable with you and Rsoul this game then me or skynx. This I find we both can agree on. I can quote a number of posts the supports that Idea.
Another hot tip; If you are town and going to argue towards the narrative of mafia framing you, i suggest you debunk the evidence posted in thread that suggests the narrative is just incorrect. If you are scum and the play is to get Cake vote with you and get Skynx to switch his vote, feel free to continue what you are doing.
(2)So I cannot be town trying to actually give a solid conclusion, outside of a theory I have, and found that they are both town? Why do you think me TRing them is going to make them flock to my side? Shouldn't they be more wary of me because I am sus of 2 players they both have a strong opinion about?
Or (and I am going to be cheeky) are you scum, and actually worrying that I get on the right track?
(1) Yes she has, and that doesn't make her anything. Especially based on how you put it because you said as scum she would try to act townie in our eyes by acting unnaturally - and that makes her town.
(2) The thing is those are not solid conclusions. They don't even look remotely close to solid conclusions (see (1)). If you are mafia that's the only thing you can do rofl.. I think you are smart enough to realize me and rsoultin are highly unlike to change our votes in comparison to Cake who "agreed to the framing theory" and Skynx who doesn't really seem to be thinking you are scum. Come on, don't play stupid.....
What I said was that if she was scum, IMO, she would be more focus on me and sky. Not trying to act townie in your eyes. I also said that she seems to be herself in that regard, which is part of why I TR here.
2, Why, I can pick any of the 4 of you to push if I was scum. Me Town Reading them isn't the only thing I can do.
Theoretically, Why cannot I convince you, or Rsoul to change votes? yes, it would be harder for you and rsoul to change, yet the main prob. you guys had outside of the shot was no conclusions blah blah. Not only that, but you both have been open to it.
Also, Why on fucking earth would I think cake, who I describe as someone who is more supportive to you then to me, and isn't here for the last few hours would agree with me? She's not even here! No clue about Skynx, he might be here or not, Idk.
The only 2 IK who would be around Deadline is you and Rsoul.
Why would I supposely charm 2 people and play towards they flavor, if I am not sure they be here?
Anyways, I am getting slightly tilted, and I do not want it to influence the post I am working on.
On June 22 2016 05:43 Shapelog wrote: Theoretically, Why cannot I convince you, or Rsoul to change votes? yes, it would be harder for you and rsoul to change, yet the main prob. you guys had outside of the shot was no conclusions blah blah. Not only that, but you both have been open to it.
If you want to do this, then we go back to the debunk the "who would shoot yamato" arguments. Because basically atm your argument is that the people who don't scumread you are not scum.
On June 22 2016 05:43 Shapelog wrote: Theoretically, Why cannot I convince you, or Rsoul to change votes? yes, it would be harder for you and rsoul to change, yet the main prob. you guys had outside of the shot was no conclusions blah blah. Not only that, but you both have been open to it.
If you want to do this, then we go back to the debunk the "who would shoot yamato" arguments. Because basically atm your argument is that the people who don't scumread you are not scum.
O rly?
What do you make of the person named cake WHO HAS BEEN ON MY MOTHERFUCKING ARSE ALL GAME FOR CALLING HER NAME PORN BEING TOWN IN MY EYES.
I do not want to debunk them, because I do not give a flying mother fucking shit about proving to you. Did you even read the rest of the post?
I am currently working through both your and Rsoul's filters. I am working on a post that will say if I think Rsoul or Ryan is fucking mafia for X reasons, which I would then try to prove.
I Do Not Care About Proving To You About The Fucking Yammty Shot Cause I Have Fucking Realize That Shit IS Just Fucking WIFOM Piss-Poor Defense
On June 22 2016 05:55 Shapelog wrote: Now, did you read the bit below were you quoted?
I don't care. A 6-year old probably realizes my vote and rsoultin's vote is probably not going to move and Cake had not voted at that point. So however hard she scumreads you or not her vote is more likely to end up anywhere else than ours.
Fucking last hour posting... Next game try to start posting a bit earlier. Noone can fucking confirm what you say is reasonable or not at this point. pfff... Well i am going to try when you make the post, so please AT LEAST MAKE IT FUCKING QUICK!
nh just let him post, rayn...he was working toward an rsoul is scum post anyway and i was curious how he was gonna play that off beyond "i'm not mafia so someone must be trying to frame me"
at least then we can evaluate it lol sides you're sick. hi cake ^^
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here. If you do, please do tell.
Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.
One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.
The problem is why does Superbia make that play then? Cake was not scumread, Superbia was not scumread by anyone except me. Why not shoot me and be townread instead of making a play you don't even know will succeed?
This is a lie i also called super mafia, i called out her attitude and even said that is not justified for her to be innactive since i consider her amazing.
The problem is there is no time to properly discuss anything he will post. Either we believe right now he is scum or some dumbasses will yolo-vote onto something else for flimsy reasoning.
On June 22 2016 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem is there is no time to properly discuss anything he will post. Either we believe right now he is scum or some dumbasses will yolo-vote onto something else for flimsy reasoning.
that's true. on the plus side, his current trajectory limits that possibility more than normal lol ><
On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here. If you do, please do tell.
Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow.
One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.
The problem is why does Superbia make that play then? Cake was not scumread, Superbia was not scumread by anyone except me. Why not shoot me and be townread instead of making a play you don't even know will succeed?
This is a lie i also called super mafia, i called out her attitude and even said that is not justified for her to be innactive since i consider her amazing.
You didn't call him mafia at the time my post is about. You called him mafia after what happened after that.
Professor Shapelog's Disco Read Party of Nonsensical Title, Followed by Dis-guesting Reads
I've reread the game, looked through everyone's filter etc. Still working, Posting this just to have something out to be discussed.
Page annalist: Game start - page 8, me, rsoul, and super. Jokes, Tr from Super on me
Page 8 - Page end of 8, Ryan and Yammty enters
Page 9- Yammty joke, Ryan wants tina killed, cake enters, questions ryan, Tr's Super and yammty. Vows to give me hell. Rsoul Tr's me, Skynx enters, Ryan responds to Cake with a question, Ryan questions Super's reason to TR me (weirdly not Rsoul's), Ryan question's Skynx
Page 10 - Skynx answers no, states ]Super is simular. Ryan Responds to that, and his drunken ego. Ryan TR's me being town possibly, Cop responds with question to Ryan's question that was responding to Cops question that responded to ryan's question. Ryan responded with question, then asks another one about super/yammty town reads from cake. Cake states why (tone and yammty sounds better), Ryan disproves it, calls Super's logic weak for TR and explains how to TR yammty. Ryan with Cop read logic, Cop responds with Super seems normal, never scum read you.
This is just getting to fucking long At this point. And am wasting my time just cataloging this shit.
Lets look through the guy who flipped scum, like a smart person would.
-----Super:
Ryan is just everywhere in his filter. Once you get passed the interaction he had with me and Rsoul, a good chuck left is Ryan posts. Most of this are the questions about his TR on me, and then the Ryan is the scariest townie math and aftermath.
Cop is mentioned near the end more. Super questions her after the change in reads, and then again about her read on him. 2nd shot for Super
Town read me. Didn't interact because I wasn't here.
Interaction with Rsoul stops after the joking posts. Rso was third shoot for him. Noting directed at Rsoultin.
TR on Super for being diff. interaction towards the end.
Alright, So Super (goon) had a huge range of different levels of interaction. To POE this and narrow this down, I am going to remove some people.
Skynx: Not at all like how he was in the newbie + Could of jumped on me. He seems to be looking at things with a townie mindset due to how he is very questioning about the thread and situations. His interaction with super was on a level upon which I do not feel would be team. I feel like they would have interacted a bit more or less. Basically he is at a happy medium.
If I did have to a rise a negative point though, it would have to be that he look back for a suspect via the super push that much. Minor complaint.
So now the pool is Ryan/Cop/Rsoul, lets go further.
Cop Early town read on Super. Her filter is a bit full of Night 1 talk with super, but this is most towards Ryan's questions. Also includes Rso and Ryan to the conversation. My and sky interactions were a bit missing, but I get more onto that in the next paragraph.
And now this gets into the highly conversational part of this read, and this is the character of Cake. Anything That I say here is not meet to be insulting (not that it should be) or judgmental. Cake is somewhat of ENSP and a INTJ mixed (kinda) She is uncomfortable with people she doesn't know very well, and is more likely to talk to those she does know. Multiple posts, suggest this (especially the one with her listening to Ryan and Rsoul about my and Sky newbness if stated)
So what does this mean? This means that it makes sense for her NOT to interact as heavily as she does with Rsoul or Ryan. In addition, I feel like she would WANT to go against this and would interact more with me and sky if she was scum, due to the logic of not being able to be tied to being scum. And while she did scum read me, Skynx was pretty untouched Day 1, and only consider around the time of the Framing idea.
That last paragraph basically is saying, that she is being herself this game, and isn't stressed to be someone she isn't.
Then the framing idea, Both me and her had the same idea (admittedly, not over the same stuff lol) but why would mafia reveal a Framing idea shortly after mine (I mean, theoretically she could copy it, but I do not think so)? Why even state it at all.
Plus, nothing of her and Super interaction reads heavily for me as scum v scum.
So it has to be one of Ryan and Rsoul (assuming I am not wrong here) So Plottwist time, 1 has heavily interacted with Ryan, and the other, Super barely interacted with.
Diving their filters, will have thoughts. Clearing my mind so I am not going to bias it off of some stupid shit here like "Ryan is so inquisitive, blah blah blah" anymore either.
On June 22 2016 05:26 Shapelog wrote: I am not even wasting the time with the framing idea anymore. I only posted that in her section of the read, because she had a similar idea.
Say what you want, Cake has been extremely focus/more contactable with you and Rsoul this game then me or skynx. This I find we both can agree on. I can quote a number of posts the supports that Idea.
Another hot tip; If you are town and going to argue towards the narrative of mafia framing you, i suggest you debunk the evidence posted in thread that suggests the narrative is just incorrect. If you are scum and the play is to get Cake vote with you and get Skynx to switch his vote, feel free to continue what you are doing.
So I cannot be town trying to actually give a solid conclusion, outside of a theory I have, and found that they are both town? Why do you think me TRing them is going to make them flock to my side? Shouldn't they be more wary of me because I am sus of 2 players they both have a strong opinion about?
Or (and I am going to be cheeky) are you scum, and actually worrying that I get on the right track?
Ehh is true and not at the same time, i asked them who were the newbies because i know them more and i know their meta and i dont know either of you two.
shape was afk right? Is impossible for sup to had decided the shot on yamato, so the yamato shot was made by someone smart i think, not exactly a newbie, a newbie would freak out and kill the most dangerous member, not the inactifag, << sorry yamato you are not a fag but i am used to that kind of language in mafia.
Why kill yamato?
Why not kill rayn who was right about super?
That is the real question.
Unless the kill artanis did was random because the killers didnt apply a kill? Idk?
On June 22 2016 06:22 CopCake wrote: Tbh is strange i mean
There is something fishy here.
shape was afk right? Is impossible for sup to had decided the shot on yamato, so the yamato shot was made by someone smart i think, not exactly a newbie, a newbie would freak out and kill the most dangerous member, not the inactifag, << sorry yamato you are not a fag but i am used to that kind of language in mafia.
Why kill yamato?
Why not kill rayn who was right about super?
That is the real question.
Unless the kill artanis did was random because the killers didnt apply a kill? Idk?
For me is important, I love to think as a mafia players.
There is also one thing that bothers me, you say that all my kills are logical and i wouldnt be able to kill yamato because it makes the game harder, you know i kill people and make the game harder for chaos, you were mafia with me and you know i didnt kill the power roles in that game in which night 1 you killed rsoultin, you know my mind doesnt work the same as many people in this game.
You also know i act the same and I am able to mimic any emotion in a post and make it sound natural because i have the ability of being honest even when i am mafiaing and killing like a pro. Sadly I havent had the pleasure to be that on team liquid.
On June 22 2016 06:34 CopCake wrote: ok I have another question, lets say we lynch shape and we are wrong and he is town, does mafia win that or do we have another day?
game ends tonight either in town or mafia victory.
On June 22 2016 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: What is a game where N1 i killed rsoultin?
When we were mafia together with balrogs girlfriend... Sirren?
I didn't kill rsoultin. I decided the night 1 kill, there was nothing too spectacular about that. We killed the most townie dude. I don't exactly know who you and Sirren killed after that because i don't closely follow games where i am scum after i die. But you made the "normal" night kills, people you know and know to be good, and who are not scumread.
On June 22 2016 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: What is a game where N1 i killed rsoultin?
When we were mafia together with balrogs girlfriend... Sirren?
I didn't kill rsoultin. I decided the night 1 kill, there was nothing too spectacular about that. We killed the most townie dude. I don't exactly know who you and Sirren killed after that because i don't closely follow games where i am scum after i die. But you made the "normal" night kills, people you know and know to be good, and who are not scumread.
No i didnt, i killed tiger who was a very mafia dude. I got many people to misslynch tho.
I also made this girl cory likes that is pretty nice in a mafia game to claim that she saw nego killing slendy and nego would have been lynched if he didnt make that huge emo post about how he feels like a failure and doesnt have the thing to play the game because it gets in his emotions.
truth to be told i should go with the obvious option,i will aplaud you if you were mafia rayn and set up super to say that you are dangerous to make you look town.
So, one man name Shapelog logs onto TL, and his mind asks, "Ryan vs Rsoul, who is it.?"
Without even diving, This should be a 1 way fight right? Should be very simple right? "Oh ryan is sooooo Townie, blah blah blah, Rsoul isn't the same. It's she right.?"
Maybe.
I am not going to lie, my gut says Rsoul. I just have that feeling that it is her, but logically, that might not be the case. Some things I notice in the first post under the page by page thing actually is a bit off putting for me from Ryan. I kinda have beaten around the bush here with Ryan and his filter as well. Not to say I do cannot come up with some reasons Why Rsoul can be scum off the top of my head, but I have just pass off Ryan's filter.
And I am going to predict that this is signing my death warrant going after these two. So I will sign it, Rather Die by my reads anyways then over something as stupid as the shot. I flipped out too much about it yesterday.
Anyways, I am being unnecessarily emo about this. So lets begin.
RYAN Something I have notice about Ryan, is that no matter if it is in a game, or talking to someone about a game, he is a very ? usage. I also notice mostly from this game, that he is very aggressive in terms of pushing ideas and interrogating and what not. So I talk some of those points with salt.
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town?
The question that started it all with super. A following up post about super,
On June 18 2016 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: In what terms similar? I actually glanced over Superbia's filter from the newbie game you are referring here and i thought he was scum because - in addition to the nightkill stuff i talked in about in the thread - he seemed to say a lot of stuff (especially on D1) that lead nowhere, which is closer to his scumplay (or at least i thought it is).
Have you taken a look at any games he has played as mafia? I mean if you want to base a read on someone based on meta you should have references from both alignments, otherwise the argument doesn't really hold water. idk if you even are making an argument or not tbh.
I don't really find nothing too out pf place except for the stuff i asked about, and idk what those things mean yet because i havent gotten my answers. I don't actually think rsoultin is scum since idk why drunk rayn thought being trolly could make her mafia and sober rayn doesnt agree with drunk rayn and drunk rayn is not here to explain the read to sober rayn. Maybe he will tonight
I mean, technically, Rsoul had a TR on me (for no visible information) on me. However, she didn't state it like how Super stated it. But the bold is actually quite interesting. He doesn't know what to make of it, and is waiting for Super's defense. He then comments about it,
I mean this is Superbia's reasoning why Shapelog is town. Why so uncertain? The way he presents the argument suggests that he isn't even sure how Shapelog played in the game he is basing the meta on which then suggests that the whole argument is bs.
Fair enough, Ryan stating why he doesn't like it.
next up is the yammty thing,
On June 18 2016 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin what's your read on yamato? Any thoughts on what i brought up? You are in a unique position like me in a sense that you have more information as you and me both know 100% that we are not both mafia.
I need to check on this in Rsoul's filter. It feels as if Ryan is trying to confirm himself as town via that post off of this. Reading thru, nothing sticks out too much. Some talk about the yammty thing with Rsoul, some things pointed at cake. Town explanation for cake about me and my meta. Super comes back,
On June 19 2016 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean you just made a set of posts and followed it up with this:
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town?
On June 19 2016 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: To be completely honest, people who post a shitton of one-liners and "fail to realize" what are the important discussion points -- or ignore stuff i find to be relevant -- (or don't really bring up anything new on the table) are super hard to read for me. In the latest newbie game the whole D1 was basically Jealous vs QT and there too Superbia basically avoided touching the whole issue with even a long stick, and since he is a player who is actually capable of quite decent play and capable of leading the town i found that highly unlike that he was town in that game. I was horribly wrong.
Anyways Superbia, my opinion atm is that if the latest burst of posts is the best you can offer you can get lynched or shot.
On June 19 2016 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean you just made a set of posts and followed it up with this:
On June 19 2016 08:01 Superbia wrote: bleh I may just be spouting nonsense.
.. like in JAT game, the first ~30 posts in your filter is "start from 0 just to end back in 0".
Could you answer me regarding the Shapelog thing?
On June 18 2016 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town?
One thing I noticed about shapelog as mafia is that his trolling is inherently awkward and forced. So hes superjumpy and actually superdefensive (in qt he genuinely freaks out when I joke about being the cop and having a red on him, even though its super obv a joke). His reaction to my initial prod is comfortable
On June 19 2016 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean you just made a set of posts and followed it up with this:
On June 19 2016 08:01 Superbia wrote: bleh I may just be spouting nonsense.
.. like in JAT game, the first ~30 posts in your filter is "start from 0 just to end back in 0".
Could you answer me regarding the Shapelog thing?
On June 18 2016 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town?
One thing I noticed about shapelog as mafia is that his trolling is inherently awkward and forced. So hes superjumpy and actually superdefensive (in qt he genuinely freaks out when I joke about being the cop and having a red on him, even though its super obv a joke). His reaction to my initial prod is comfortable
Okay. So why the questionmarks in your post?
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp?
What does this post mean?
Being lazy. I sometimes mix player meta up (eg i thought moosy was shape in d1 prev newb game)
So you actually meta town read Shapelog without actually remembering how he played in the game you referenced to? Is that what you are saying? Or what?
Eh, was wrong, but nothing against ryan.
I have sparked a Idea, but more on that later.
It is hard to tell for me if this is scum vs scum or tvs right now, It seems like Super was genuinely trying to answer it.
On June 19 2016 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Shapelog. I just revisited your filter and it doesn't actually look as good as i remembered. I have a hard time figuring out where you actually stand with your reads. You seem to be thinking i am town, Skynx is town and rsoultin is town(?), who is scum?
Great If I knew what that TR was about back ago.
Making this shit go faster.
Next few pages is cakey, at least he treats cake with the amount of attention that he treated Super. Super is then scum read for what he posted.
Going back to that idea I stated. Normally I would belie that that clears Ryan due to slip that was proven to be true (well the it was a mafia slip from a mafia member), but, looking at super's reaction to it. He seemed very, calm about it. Maybe he was freaking out in the QT, which I cannot know, but he was very calm doing the process, and ultimately, keep pushing Ryan.
On June 20 2016 04:57 Superbia wrote: Oh cmon. Did no one see rayn's reaction? z_z
Ryan, like anyone else, would of known that a Dead goon is better then no goon. Cannot really tie ryan himself to it. But it is as not strong for a town point as I thought it was.
Ryan also pushed super hard too towards the end.
Moving onto the Day.
Basically Superbia is setting up a play where if he is not killed his vote will be on yamato 100%, and that will not change. yamato, not assuming Superbia is scum as he said, basically cannot let that happen as town because if he is town and Superbia is town that means he basically has to counter-vote Superbia and if they are both town it means town will 100% lose.
There should be absolutely no way yamato doesn't understand that and lets Superbia live, unless Superbia for some reason needs to live over him. They both look super sketchy, but it makes more sense for yamato to be GF than for Superbia.
If the game goes on i suggest you guys lynch yamato. It just makes the most in case Superbia is not in fact the GF. If he flips town or mafia doesn't really matter. Please try to read the first paragraph and understand it.
gl guys.
Going with idea, Ryan could of still killed Yammty and post this. His reaction to the weirdness of the shot was kinda weird looking back.
On June 20 2016 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: wut?
Fair, next post,
On June 20 2016 06:59 rsoultin wrote: lol is it bad that my first thought was shape could be scum for that shot? lol
next post,
On June 20 2016 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: ohhhh...... interesting!! more tomorrow, now gn!
I feel like he would be more questioning about it then just wut followed by happy embrocation after Rsoul.
It is worth noting, that his activity did drop a bit in Day 1, but nothing I am worrying about.
Day 1, Ryan was open to discussion about ohter people. Not out of the range of mafia actually. Sure it is easier, but that is it.
Idk, i kinda have a prob. with his reaction and super's tone towards the end. other points to like the Yammty thing, also seems like mafia wanting to be town read. Let me look through Rsoul very speedy.
Too tilted towards the end of his filter to accurately state my idea. Nothing makes sense for me in his replys.
RSOUL: My major prob. with Rsoul is the interaction via Super. Super was very non talkative about Rsoul. Rsoul on the other hand was talktive about Super. She doesn't fully commits to the Yammty being scum idea, either. Defends super up to the Slip basically, would not know why to do so, but slip could mean to get the lynch (same with ryan) focused a bit on.
After Day 1, It is mostly me as a target (which I can understand) with skynx and if I am reading correctly, a bit of cake as well (not hard thou) See, I want to see she is just tunneling me and she is scum for it. But, this is what I expect town Rsoul to act like towards me. I will say the post about the more shape aruges, the more he sounds townish followed by looking into skynx into back to me again is a bit eye looking, yet, all I did was just quote that framing idea I have.
Idk why she thinks I am going after her though.
I rushed through Rsoul, But I actually think Ryan is the scum here. Just the questionable things about how he acted makes me think he is scum here.
On June 22 2016 06:44 CopCake wrote: truth to be told i should go with the obvious option,i will aplaud you if you were mafia rayn and set up super to say that you are dangerous to make you look town.
I am not mafia and if i was that would be the dumbest thing ever to do.
Professor Shapelog's Disco Read Party of Nonsensical Title, Followed by Dis-guesting Reads
I've reread the game, looked through everyone's filter etc. Still working, Posting this just to have something out to be discussed.
Page annalist: Game start - page 8, me, rsoul, and super. Jokes, Tr from Super on me
Page 8 - Page end of 8, Ryan and Yammty enters
Page 9- Yammty joke, Ryan wants tina killed, cake enters, questions ryan, Tr's Super and yammty. Vows to give me hell. Rsoul Tr's me, Skynx enters, Ryan responds to Cake with a question, Ryan questions Super's reason to TR me (weirdly not Rsoul's), Ryan question's Skynx
Page 10 - Skynx answers no, states ]Super is simular. Ryan Responds to that, and his drunken ego. Ryan TR's me being town possibly, Cop responds with question to Ryan's question that was responding to Cops question that responded to ryan's question. Ryan responded with question, then asks another one about super/yammty town reads from cake. Cake states why (tone and yammty sounds better), Ryan disproves it, calls Super's logic weak for TR and explains how to TR yammty. Ryan with Cop read logic, Cop responds with Super seems normal, never scum read you.
This is just getting to fucking long At this point. And am wasting my time just cataloging this shit.
Lets look through the guy who flipped scum, like a smart person would.
-----Super:
Ryan is just everywhere in his filter. Once you get passed the interaction he had with me and Rsoul, a good chuck left is Ryan posts. Most of this are the questions about his TR on me, and then the Ryan is the scariest townie math and aftermath.
Cop is mentioned near the end more. Super questions her after the change in reads, and then again about her read on him. 2nd shot for Super
Town read me. Didn't interact because I wasn't here.
Interaction with Rsoul stops after the joking posts. Rso was third shoot for him. Noting directed at Rsoultin.
TR on Super for being diff. interaction towards the end.
Alright, So Super (goon) had a huge range of different levels of interaction. To POE this and narrow this down, I am going to remove some people.
Skynx: Not at all like how he was in the newbie + Could of jumped on me. He seems to be looking at things with a townie mindset due to how he is very questioning about the thread and situations. His interaction with super was on a level upon which I do not feel would be team. I feel like they would have interacted a bit more or less. Basically he is at a happy medium.
If I did have to a rise a negative point though, it would have to be that he look back for a suspect via the super push that much. Minor complaint.
So now the pool is Ryan/Cop/Rsoul, lets go further.
Cop Early town read on Super. Her filter is a bit full of Night 1 talk with super, but this is most towards Ryan's questions. Also includes Rso and Ryan to the conversation. My and sky interactions were a bit missing, but I get more onto that in the next paragraph.
And now this gets into the highly conversational part of this read, and this is the character of Cake. Anything That I say here is not meet to be insulting (not that it should be) or judgmental. Cake is somewhat of ENSP and a INTJ mixed (kinda) She is uncomfortable with people she doesn't know very well, and is more likely to talk to those she does know. Multiple posts, suggest this (especially the one with her listening to Ryan and Rsoul about my and Sky newbness if stated)
So what does this mean? This means that it makes sense for her NOT to interact as heavily as she does with Rsoul or Ryan. In addition, I feel like she would WANT to go against this and would interact more with me and sky if she was scum, due to the logic of not being able to be tied to being scum. And while she did scum read me, Skynx was pretty untouched Day 1, and only consider around the time of the Framing idea.
That last paragraph basically is saying, that she is being herself this game, and isn't stressed to be someone she isn't.
Then the framing idea, Both me and her had the same idea (admittedly, not over the same stuff lol) but why would mafia reveal a Framing idea shortly after mine (I mean, theoretically she could copy it, but I do not think so)? Why even state it at all.
Plus, nothing of her and Super interaction reads heavily for me as scum v scum.
So it has to be one of Ryan and Rsoul (assuming I am not wrong here) So Plottwist time, 1 has heavily interacted with Ryan, and the other, Super barely interacted with.
Diving their filters, will have thoughts. Clearing my mind so I am not going to bias it off of some stupid shit here like "Ryan is so inquisitive, blah blah blah" anymore either.
I am a ENFJ queen of manipulation
Your a passionate leader of manipulation? Ironically, the sounds like what I would put for a GF application........
I swear, if you are actually GF, I am going to laugh follow by crying
Let me just say that every single thing that Shapelog says makes me mafia (those things are actually either misrepresentations of what i was doing or not alignment indicative at all) are from the time (day 1) which after that he was posting for 24 hours but somehow originally came to a completely different conclusion (rsoultin or cake is mafia -- me as third).
If he was town he would have made the conclusion he now presents back then, and not 10 minutes before deadline.
Everytime I say something to you, you just cite that basically so idc anymore.
pst you called him scum. what do you expect?
"oh shapelog you're right! i concede!"
i kinda got lost in that since it was mostly quote, babble...eh
can you condense it to points for me?
I meant before I call him scum.
But this is the most of it.
I find his reaction after the yammty flip sus. due to his tone. After you suggest me with the shot, he went "Hmmmm intresting , be back tomorrow." Which I find weird considering how I think Town Ryan would handle it. I would expect him to question you off of that at least.
Then there is how I think he was trying to play the Yammty post to confirm him as town due to how he said it.
There is more too. I don't honestly feel like quoting it.
On June 22 2016 06:51 CopCake wrote: Rayn killing yama is not dumb because it is obvious that if you are mafia you cant get killed lol
I am not arguing against that. I am arguing against the fact that the way it happened, if i was Superbia's scumbuddy, we would have played like complete retards. And i shoot rsoultin 10/10 if i am mafia since yamato is my #1 mislynch.
On June 22 2016 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let me just say that every single thing that Shapelog says makes me mafia (those things are actually either misrepresentations of what i was doing or not alignment indicative at all) are from the time (day 1) which after that he was posting for 24 hours but somehow originally came to a completely different conclusion (rsoultin or cake is mafia -- me as third).
If he was town he would have made the conclusion he now presents back then, and not 10 minutes before deadline.
dude if you weren't sick i'd so vote for you for the lolz >> teehee
sadly even i would think that would be too bitchy with flu-rayn
On June 22 2016 06:51 CopCake wrote: Rayn killing yama is not dumb because it is obvious that if you are mafia you cant get killed lol
I am not arguing against that. I am arguing against the fact that the way it happened, if i was Superbia's scumbuddy, we would have played like complete retards. And i shoot rsoultin 10/10 if i am mafia since yamato is my #1 mislynch.
But isnt yamatto better at making cases against you that rsoultin?
On June 22 2016 06:52 CopCake wrote: So you have to pick someone else, i wonder if yama would have been able to Make a case on you if he was alive with you.
Is this to me? I am not picking someone else. I think Ryan is scum, And I will stand by it.
Everytime I say something to you, you just cite that basically so idc anymore.
pst you called him scum. what do you expect?
"oh shapelog you're right! i concede!"
i kinda got lost in that since it was mostly quote, babble...eh
can you condense it to points for me?
I meant before I call him scum.
But this is the most of it.
I find his reaction after the yammty flip sus. due to his tone. After you suggest me with the shot, he went "Hmmmm intresting , be back tomorrow." Which I find weird considering how I think Town Ryan would handle it. I would expect him to question you off of that at least.
Then there is how I think he was trying to play the Yammty post to confirm him as town due to how he said it.
There is more too. I don't honestly feel like quoting it.
eh lol the yamato thing is cause lex pre-rolled us both mafia then trolled us with it. message in a booottle baaabyyy...i wanted to see his reaction
On June 22 2016 06:51 CopCake wrote: Rayn killing yama is not dumb because it is obvious that if you are mafia you cant get killed lol
I am not arguing against that. I am arguing against the fact that the way it happened, if i was Superbia's scumbuddy, we would have played like complete retards. And i shoot rsoultin 10/10 if i am mafia since yamato is my #1 mislynch.
But isnt yamatto better at making cases against you that rsoultin?
If you had read the thread you'd know this has already been discussed.
On June 22 2016 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let me just say that every single thing that Shapelog says makes me mafia (those things are actually either misrepresentations of what i was doing or not alignment indicative at all) are from the time (day 1) which after that he was posting for 24 hours but somehow originally came to a completely different conclusion (rsoultin or cake is mafia -- me as third).
If he was town he would have made the conclusion he now presents back then, and not 10 minutes before deadline.
And I also said I passed you off with your filter cause of your posts and such.
I blame myself for spending my time in my own theory and not scum hunting correctly. I was better last game I rolled (the off site one) then this with my town play.
Yamato is already a scumread for basically all the players in the game, and he hard-townreads me and townreads rsoultin. Basically regardless what yamato does, starts playing better or not, he is already in a position where he cannot possibly call either of us mafia on D1, and that makes my / rsoultin's job easier in case we are mafia. Or if he does, he will look worse than which again makes our job easier - since he will be even more likely to get lynched.
On June 22 2016 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shapelog your case was shit.
Ik tbh
This game was hard for me really after the yammty shot. Everyone really honestly sounded somewhat townie at one point at another, and I was focusing too much on dumb shit then the overall picture. I was lost.
On June 22 2016 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shapelog your case was shit.
Ik tbh
This game was hard for me really after the yammty shot. Everyone really honestly sounded somewhat townie at one point at another, and I was focusing too much on dumb shit then the overall picture. I was lost.
yeah, i basically yolo'd it. read the scum QT.
But honestly, none of what you said in your post makes me mafia, i had a really easy game here. If you think that makes me scum you are gonna scumread me in every single game ever. ^^
GG, wp by scum. Rayn managed to be the driving factor behind Superbia getting shot, giving him control during the next day as he didn't need to worry about his buddy. He also played a very good scumgame.
Town also played quite well for the most part I feel. Fun game and I feel a successful experiment, though I'm happy to hear thoughts and suggestions on balance.
On June 22 2016 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shapelog your case was shit.
Ik tbh
This game was hard for me really after the yammty shot. Everyone really honestly sounded somewhat townie at one point at another, and I was focusing too much on dumb shit then the overall picture. I was lost.
yeah, i basically yolo'd it. read the scum QT.
But honestly, none of what you said in your post makes me mafia, i had a really easy game here. If you think that makes me scum you are gonna scumread me in every single game ever. ^^
tbh yamato gave me all the ammo in the end of night phase. It was gonna be super hard to argue "why shoot Superbia the obvious goon" and as i was already scumreading him i would look terrible if i then didn't scumread him on D1 in case he doesn't get shot, but yamato kinda gave me a logical reason to assume "Superbia is the GF".
Funnily enough town managed to have kinda the right idea of how to do this, but i don't even know how i was able to turn it around on D1, i mean this:
[14:22:47] Joni Toiviainen: if the town is going to shoot town we are definitely shooting the same person the town shoots whoever that is. technically the besty play would be if the town shoots you but we can't push it, because the person who pushes goon to be shot looks terrible on D1 (while they should), but i would assume that's gonna happen anyways [14:23:24] Joni Toiviainen: i don't really think you should play "intentionally scummy", because someone smart can figure out you should not actually shoot the scummiest person in the game because they are likely to be goon.
I was like "fuuuuuck" when Shapelog made the post about the "best play" on N0 but somehow i managed to turn that around. Skynx got it too late (started arguing about it only on D1 when it doesn't matter anymore).
Shapelog, you should try to use less words in your posts and cut off everything irrelevant. Your posts are really hard to follow at times and they seem to be losing the main point and get sidetracked. The problem with this is making a convincing case like that is super hard.
On June 22 2016 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shapelog, you should try to use less words in your posts and cut off everything irrelevant. Your posts are really hard to follow at times and they seem to be losing the main point and get sidetracked. The problem with this is making a convincing case like that is super hard.
Yeah I noticing that.
It just, the way I think, I go from thinking from it from that angle, to that angle, to this angle, etc. and I try to look at everything from too many angles ultimately. It gets me sidetracked a lot.
I've noticed, more if I write what happens down more, I do better. For example, I wouldn't have thought you were scum until, believe it or not, done the page by page thing. I saw the not questioning Rsoul thing, and that made me think.
I also forgot about Super interaction with you hard. Should of been more of a point.
On June 22 2016 07:26 Shapelog wrote: I've noticed, more if I write what happens down more, I do better. For example, I wouldn't have thought you were scum until, believe it or not, done the page by page thing. (1)I saw the not questioning Rsoul thing, and that made me think.
(2)I also forgot about Super interaction with you hard. Should of been more of a point.
(1) I would have never questioned rsoultin as town either, because all game we were on the same page, and honestly if i was town, i would have probably ended up doing exactly what i did here. idk why would you question someone who already agrees with you? (2) Where does the "the player who interacted the most with flipped mafia is mafia" come from? I mean, i question people i think are scummy, or irrational. That is only natural. That always leads to interactions, and especially with me because i am suuuuuper nitpicky and want to get bottom of everything. I always end up arguing A LOT with people i think are mafia when they are in thread.
On June 22 2016 07:26 Shapelog wrote: I've noticed, more if I write what happens down more, I do better. For example, I wouldn't have thought you were scum until, believe it or not, done the page by page thing. (1)I saw the not questioning Rsoul thing, and that made me think.
(2)I also forgot about Super interaction with you hard. Should of been more of a point.
(1) I would have never questioned rsoultin as town either, because all game we were on the same page, and honestly if i was town, i would have probably ended up doing exactly what i did here. idk why would you question someone who already agrees with you? (2) Where does the "the player who interacted the most with flipped mafia is mafia" come from? I mean, i question people i think are scummy, or irrational. That is only natural. That always leads to interactions, and especially with me because i am suuuuuper nitpicky and want to get bottom of everything. I always end up arguing A LOT with people i think are mafia when they are in thread.
1, Well i didn't know that. But what I was getting at was that I saw that and just went "hmmm. This could mean something."
I would personally question person who agrees with me, to see if they had the same idea behind it.
2,Not so much on your side, but on's Super. Super was really focused on you compared to other people. Especially the end part of it.
The problem with your argument 2 is that it doesn't really prove anything, even if it was true. Like if i am actually town, how am i going to counter that argument since it has nothing to do with MY actions? Smart mafia is gonna use that kind of logic against you -- i.e. do things that make someone else look scummy by not the person's OWN actions.
I believe all cases should be based on what the person themselves did, not by what someone else did. Because all it does is it leads to is confirmation bias because there is no reliable defense. Like even i, in this game, did not accuse you of being mafia solely for the fact that yamato got shot. Because it is a dumb argument in itself. It's a point to look into some direction, but it doesn't make anyone mafia. I outlined the reasons why i find it most likely that my starting point for the argument is sound, and then wrote why i think you are mafia because of YOUR actions in this game.
Also i don't usually write a lot about why someone is town, unless they are likely to get lynched. Like i could have said "rsoultin is town because she is on the same page with me all the time -- look, it's not once when we make basically a same post at the same time" but what's the point if they are not lynched anyways? And i figured people would actually see that and make the conclusion without me throwing it on their face. I'd rather focus on stuff that explains why someone is mafia, or questioning people for possible mafia actions, because ultimately that's the point, to find and lynch mafia and convince the town to do so.
That's form the town point of view, this game was honestly really close to my town play because i found many things that usually come from scum, and it was easy to argue for them. I am not sure... i mean, i believe if i was rsoultin in this game i would have probably made the exact same choices i did here. It was somehow easy to play scum in this game, not because town played bad but because everything just fell in place.
On June 22 2016 10:38 Tumblewood wrote: Shape I don't understand your WoT on rayn at all You should do a sentence summary, partly as an exercise but mostly because I'm curious and lazy
I'd like to hear that aswell. I mean, there are a lot of defenses i had in my "back pocket" i never needed to use. From what i gathered from the case at the time i read it i think i could have defended myself reasonably. That is assuming i understood it correctly.
I felt like Rayn played a really solid game and most of the evidence up until the last hour of the game was just circumstancial (pushing Superbia hard, being the one with the most to gain from a Yamato shot given the strong townread from Rso). In the last hour, it wasn't Shape's case that made Rayn look scummier, but the way Rayn tried to 'shout it down' which is very much similar to his scum game. It also made Shape look townier because why put so much effort into a case and then still basically give up? People almost switched because of it, and if it came earlier I think they might've.
I don't really agree with Superbia's play where he suddenly made himself look quite scummy (presuming it was intentional). I feel like it could've easily backfired as a few people thought he might be the goon, and it would've been very difficult for Rayn to back down on the read. It did end up working out, but mostly due to the very strong presence of Rayn whom played an excellent game.
I would have probably shouted it down as town aswell because i genuinely don't like when people come here at the last second because it makes the lynch basically random (assuming people switch). And at the time i "shouted it down" i didn't even know if he is going to make a case on rsoultin or on me. I shouted down not the case, but the whole behavior. When the case came there was no time for anyone to even properly read the post let alone make a educated decision about it. If the case came let's say 12 hours earlier, i would have approached the whole situation quite differently since i actually DID have an argument against anything that could have been thrown at me (or at least i felt like that).
I agree Superbia's play was not good. At least to me it gave the most headache.
Cake apparently thought i was mafia because i lied somewhere (about her), which i didn't. I mean, there is no reason why i should lie about my read on her when i am not trying to lynch her.
On June 22 2016 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would have probably shouted it down as town aswell because i genuinely don't like when people come here at the last second because it makes the lynch basically random (assuming people switch). And at the time i "shouted it down" i didn't even know if he is going to make a case on rsoultin or on me. I shouted down not the case, but the whole behavior. When the case came there was no time for anyone to even properly read the post let alone make a educated decision about it. If the case came let's say 12 hours earlier, i would have approached the whole situation quite differently since i actually DID have an argument against anything that could have been thrown at me (or at least i felt like that).
I agree Superbia's play was not good. At least to me it gave the most headache.
I don't necessarily agree you would've. As mafia, his case was the only thing that could threaten your win. As town, you might've been more inquisitive because it made him (imo) look quite townie just because there isn't much mafia motivation to do things the way he did. You'd want to make sure you weren't wrong no matter how 'stupid' the way he approached it was.
Seemed like you played super well rayn (= I didn't read the whole game but the town shooting Superbia when he was acting super scummy was very weird. Definitely should have let him alive and potentially lynch him the next day if he continues. It was a mistake from town - but if I remember right town made it because rayn used his influence to obtain it so it's more good scumplay than bad townplay
On June 22 2016 18:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't necessarily agree you would've. As mafia, his case was the only thing that could threaten your win
I mean, as town i might have been genuinely mad about people possibly throwing the game based on something really stupid which is not "out of my playbook" as town. I often yell at people and just shut everything down when i feel like someone / people start making bad decisions near the deadline while not doing anything about it earlier. Because it is just bad play, in the long run you will never win like that, and a coinflip win or scumlynch is not satisfying in my opinion, it's no better than "wow we randomly lynched mafia".
But yeah, as i said, maybe, idk.
edit: I mean like, in somewhat comparison, when i have made my decision i will fight for it and will not change my mind, or at least it's very very unlike (especially in a situation like this). In Outlaw i thought Palmar was scum and made a case. Palmar gave his explanation/defense #1, it didn't make sense. At that point i decided that he HAS to be mafia, and when he gave explanations #2-x, my answer was just always "i don't believe you". That's how i operate. Up until some point i am fully capable and willing to re-evaluate but after certain point it's going to be impossible to change my mind.
On June 22 2016 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would have probably shouted it down as town aswell because i genuinely don't like when people come here at the last second because it makes the lynch basically random (assuming people switch). And at the time i "shouted it down" i didn't even know if he is going to make a case on rsoultin or on me. I shouted down not the case, but the whole behavior. When the case came there was no time for anyone to even properly read the post let alone make a educated decision about it. If the case came let's say 12 hours earlier, i would have approached the whole situation quite differently since i actually DID have an argument against anything that could have been thrown at me (or at least i felt like that).
I agree Superbia's play was not good. At least to me it gave the most headache.
Wtf you asshole. You literally asked me on skype to do scummy shit. >:|
On June 22 2016 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would have probably shouted it down as town aswell because i genuinely don't like when people come here at the last second because it makes the lynch basically random (assuming people switch). And at the time i "shouted it down" i didn't even know if he is going to make a case on rsoultin or on me. I shouted down not the case, but the whole behavior. When the case came there was no time for anyone to even properly read the post let alone make a educated decision about it. If the case came let's say 12 hours earlier, i would have approached the whole situation quite differently since i actually DID have an argument against anything that could have been thrown at me (or at least i felt like that).
I agree Superbia's play was not good. At least to me it gave the most headache.
Wtf you asshole. You literally asked me on skype to do scummy shit. >:|
ehh no?
I believe this was our game plan no?
[14:23:24] Joni Toiviainen: i don't really think you should play "intentionally scummy", because someone smart can figure out you should not actually shoot the scummiest person in the game because they are likely to be goon.
or was there a miscommunication lol?
I read the scum QT and i really can't find any sentence where i ask you to play scummy lol.
On June 22 2016 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would have probably shouted it down as town aswell because i genuinely don't like when people come here at the last second because it makes the lynch basically random (assuming people switch). And at the time i "shouted it down" i didn't even know if he is going to make a case on rsoultin or on me. I shouted down not the case, but the whole behavior. When the case came there was no time for anyone to even properly read the post let alone make a educated decision about it. If the case came let's say 12 hours earlier, i would have approached the whole situation quite differently since i actually DID have an argument against anything that could have been thrown at me (or at least i felt like that).
I agree Superbia's play was not good. At least to me it gave the most headache.
Wtf you asshole. You literally asked me on skype to do scummy shit. >:|
[14:23:24] Joni Toiviainen: i don't really think you should play "intentionally scummy", because someone smart can figure out you should not actually shoot the scummiest person in the game because they are likely to be goon.
or was there a miscommunication lol?
At one point I was going to go elaborate on my "why shoot the scary town" thing (which btw is prob the best play for town) and you told me on skype to just go afk. :p
Hey, it worked out and I'm not complaining. I also didn't do anything stellar this game, but I did support your play.
On June 22 2016 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would have probably shouted it down as town aswell because i genuinely don't like when people come here at the last second because it makes the lynch basically random (assuming people switch). And at the time i "shouted it down" i didn't even know if he is going to make a case on rsoultin or on me. I shouted down not the case, but the whole behavior. When the case came there was no time for anyone to even properly read the post let alone make a educated decision about it. If the case came let's say 12 hours earlier, i would have approached the whole situation quite differently since i actually DID have an argument against anything that could have been thrown at me (or at least i felt like that).
I agree Superbia's play was not good. At least to me it gave the most headache.
Wtf you asshole. You literally asked me on skype to do scummy shit. >:|
ehh no?
I believe this was our game plan no?
[14:23:24] Joni Toiviainen: i don't really think you should play "intentionally scummy", because someone smart can figure out you should not actually shoot the scummiest person in the game because they are likely to be goon.
or was there a miscommunication lol?
At one point I was going to go elaborate on my "why shoot the scary town" thing (which btw is prob the best play for town) and you told me on skype to just go afk. :p
Hey, it worked out and I'm not complaining. I also didn't do anything stellar this game, but I did support your play.
Ahh you mean that... The reason for that was because you had already made the play we talked about. At that point the best play was to get you shot and you not posting anything anymore has the best chances of getting you shot.
I mean, if you had lived, there was basically no way i am going to justify not scumreading you anymore at any point during the day phase. Because if i do, whoever of rsoultin and yamato is alive will instantly know i am mafia -- and mafia with you.
edit: idk if our original plan would have worked better than this worked. i mean, i genuinely felt like you made a "mistake" when you started calling the shot on me, because at that point i felt pressure regarding "how am i gonna deal with D1 if Superbia is not dead (not call him scum in the end)? And even if he is, how am i gonna make it happen so that it doesn't point to me?". That's something i didn't feel like at all before that -- regardless of if you were gonna get shot or not. but yeah, anyways in the end it worked out.
What i was trying to say is that regardless of if your plan (calling the shot on me) was good or not, we were definitely not on the same page since i felt like based on what we discussed earlier i was already playing towards a "different goal" on N0. And i felt what you did put me in an awkward spot since i would have to possible justify a townread on you at the eod1. It's not really anyone's fault, but as a tip for all the future scumteams, the likelyhood of winning a game raises when the whole team is on the same page, so discuss stuff with your scumbuddies before you do something.
Well that's what hard in mafia. Getting everyone in the team to play towards the same goal AND post in thread in a way that doesn't look like they are making shit up.
But i still think a planned plan with teammates usually ends up in a better result than unplanned play with rash decisions, especially if town plays well.
So, any thoughts on balance and the enjoyment of the setup in general compared to normal-length games? Is this something people would like to play again?
On June 22 2016 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would have probably shouted it down as town aswell because i genuinely don't like when people come here at the last second because it makes the lynch basically random (assuming people switch). And at the time i "shouted it down" i didn't even know if he is going to make a case on rsoultin or on me. I shouted down not the case, but the whole behavior. When the case came there was no time for anyone to even properly read the post let alone make a educated decision about it. If the case came let's say 12 hours earlier, i would have approached the whole situation quite differently since i actually DID have an argument against anything that could have been thrown at me (or at least i felt like that).
I agree Superbia's play was not good. At least to me it gave the most headache.
Wtf you asshole. You literally asked me on skype to do scummy shit. >:|
[14:23:24] Joni Toiviainen: i don't really think you should play "intentionally scummy", because someone smart can figure out you should not actually shoot the scummiest person in the game because they are likely to be goon.
or was there a miscommunication lol?
I read the scum QT and i really can't find any sentence where i ask you to play scummy lol.
On June 22 2016 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would have probably shouted it down as town aswell because i genuinely don't like when people come here at the last second because it makes the lynch basically random (assuming people switch). And at the time i "shouted it down" i didn't even know if he is going to make a case on rsoultin or on me. I shouted down not the case, but the whole behavior. When the case came there was no time for anyone to even properly read the post let alone make a educated decision about it. If the case came let's say 12 hours earlier, i would have approached the whole situation quite differently since i actually DID have an argument against anything that could have been thrown at me (or at least i felt like that).
I agree Superbia's play was not good. At least to me it gave the most headache.
Wtf you asshole. You literally asked me on skype to do scummy shit. >:|
ehh no?
I believe this was our game plan no?
[14:23:24] Joni Toiviainen: i don't really think you should play "intentionally scummy", because someone smart can figure out you should not actually shoot the scummiest person in the game because they are likely to be goon.
or was there a miscommunication lol?
I read the scum QT and i really can't find any sentence where i ask you to play scummy lol.
Maaan i actually had this game figured fuck this
You had the right idea yeah. Still nothing really pointed towards me, or like yeah it did, but so it did point to anyone else too as much.
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