| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Town agrees to collectively decide who is the scummiest player, and at the end of day that player votes first. Everyone also agrees to vote for themselves. If the player who voted first doesn't die they are scum and you lynch them (there is no reason for a townie to not agree on that because shooting a townie is better than shooting a non-GF mafia. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 10 2016 10:34 wherebugsgo wrote: like maybe you do it halfway into the night and it would work...still hard though. Someone can fuck it up and then you're banking on the order having been correct. You'd have to post in the thread when you send your vote and that'd probably be the best way of confirming it. Well obvs you just scumhunt for the first 24h and then decide the order. Hell even deciding a rng kill by this method is better than not having and plan at all lol.  | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 10 2016 10:36 iamperfection wrote: isnt town worst off by killing the goon on night 0. In fact shouldn't mafia just kill their own goon night 0? yes and yes. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
But the fact is for both teams there are clearly superior plays (mechanically) that should always be done since it doesn't make any sense to disagree with it. I kinda don't like games like that personally, sure if someone wants to host one and people want to play be my guest. Just like in PYP's the best plan is to always massclaim and people are just too retarded to not do it almost every game. ^^ | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 11 2016 05:38 Shapelog wrote: I actually am a bit amused that everyone is talking about the best plays for both sides in the pregame. If the game is imbalanced it should be sorted out in pre-game. There is no reason to let the game roll and make players play / use time on a game that is unwinnable (or almost unwinnable) for one side. Like i said, if people wanna play a game where town has basically 2 lynches to first figure out 2/7 chance of hitting scum and then 1/5 (assuming scum could even shoot themselves) that gives town 42,85% chance of winning the game with randomly lynching/shooting someone. Do you think it is fair for mafia? I don't. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
If the guy who got picked up as most scummiest -> vote first, doesn't die you just lynch him and win the game because he is mafia (as scum has no votes). If he is town, then you are in a "normal" D1. EDIT: I didn't think about it further, it's possible that what you are suggesting gives even better chances of winning for town. Basically, if scum have no night vigi votes, the game is always gonna be broken, that's the first thing to fix. Maybe voting should also be majority, as in, everyone has votes and only 4 or more votes on a same person gets them shot. That way there is WIFOM about why mafia didn't wanna get someone killed (are they scum or is it just WIFOM) in case the dude doesn't die (if town is dumb enough to not decide on a target). Town should basically always agree to reveal votes anyways, and should always vote for the same (and only one) person, regardless of their read on them. The only bad thing is to hit a Goon because other shots make town's job easier in LYLO (less targets) or straight out win the game (hit GF). | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I would suggest: - give scum vigi votes - make night vigi majority - scum are not able to shoot themselves EDIT: That way the goon basically needs to try to play scummy enough to get shot but not scummy enough to be figured out as a goon in which case town doesnt shoot him and just lynches him on D2 for the win. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 11 2016 12:47 iamperfection wrote: claiming goon would be bad now town know not to vig that guy. Yes, that's kinda the point. I think if you turn the goon into a 3p jester you dont have to change anything else and have a perfect setup. Sure but the idea Artanis had imo is that there is two mafia and the GF needs to avoid getting shot on N0 (and in a perfect world the goon wants to get shot) and then both mafia need to avoid the lynch. If that is the core mechanic of the game i don't really think changing the core of the game to balance it is the way to do it. I mean, exaggeratedly speaking you could also make it a normal 13 player game with 2-3 town blues and 1-2 mafia blues and it would be balanced, if you get what i mean. + jester is the dumbest role ever in forum mafia, and having only 1 mafia kinda defeats the purpose of scumhunting since there are no connections so you can't actually "figure out scum" in a scumhunting-kinda-way... | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Just saying it now so i don't forget. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
 | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
3 vengeful town, 1 goon, 1 godfather (no nights, if the godfather gets lynched town wins immediately) | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
As is any other 5-man setup.This looked way better. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 17 2016 18:21 Superbia wrote: What kind of board games do you play rayn? Resistance, sometimes one night werewolf (but that's really not a "skilled game", just for funzies because it is quite imba), Love letter, 4-player card games like Tichu, ummm... Escape, Ticket to Ride, anything basically... Netrunner if we only have two people waiting for others to arrive. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
You need certain symbols on dices to unlock more of the temple and to move and if you roll a certain symbol the die gets "locked" unless you (or someone else in the same room) rolls an unlock one. You are allowed to roll as fast as you possibly can and you don't have to roll all the dices at once if you don't want to. Pretty hectic and fun. ^^ | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
yeah no turns. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 17 2016 18:43 Superbia wrote: Wtf. That sounds pretty hectic. How do you keep track of that with 4 players? Seems like you would miss a lot of cool moments. well... as well as you can :D sometimes people do dumb shit because they are rolling too fast and not looking at the board at all. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 17 2016 18:57 yamato77 wrote: I will make time if it's rayn and tina playing. yessir! | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
2. raynpelikoneet 3. Shapelog 4. yamato77 5. rsoultin 6. 7. so we need like 2? wow. tbh i just decided rsoultin will play this game but she will because she likes arguing with me. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 18 2016 03:59 CopCake wrote: /In Forced by rsoultin. wow so rude. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
##tina | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 18 2016 08:21 yamato77 wrote: typical rayn tactic I may also subscribe to this scumhunting methodology okay tbh this is not good. i ma fucked atm... tomorrow. sorry man | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 18 2016 13:36 CopCake wrote: why do you think I am mafia? this is strange, I mean the first thing you do is to protect me from all people that believes I am mafia, I am going to assume it was part of you being drunk. What does this mean? Why would i protect you from people who might think you are mafia when you have not made a single post? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 18 2016 16:44 yamato77 wrote: I feel like this game is going to come down to killing rayn or tina and I have no idea why but it will, and the thread will become their warzone and then I'm going to lose I'd love you ti figure out why and then explain it, this post looks weird. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp? Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Have you taken a look at any games he has played as mafia? I mean if you want to base a read on someone based on meta you should have references from both alignments, otherwise the argument doesn't really hold water. idk if you even are making an argument or not tbh. I don't really find nothing too out pf place except for the stuff i asked about, and idk what those things mean yet because i havent gotten my answers. I don't actually think rsoultin is scum since idk why drunk rayn thought being trolly could make her mafia and sober rayn doesnt agree with drunk rayn and drunk rayn is not here to explain the read to sober rayn. Maybe he will tonight  | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
The way of reading yamato is to see if he has some sort of thought process, i don't even have to understand where he is trying to get -- i just have to see he is trying to get somewhere (scumhunting wise) and that post by yamato is definitely not trying to get anywhere because all it says is a suggestion that for some arbitary reason me and rsoultin are going to be on each others necks. Honestly, that is the scummiest thing i find in the game because it doesn't make any sense to group up two people like that for no real reason. Why does Superbia sound normal? The only thing Superbia has said is basically meta townread on Shapelog based on a game he doesn't apparently remember how Shapelog played in. Super weak... | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp? I mean this is Superbia's reasoning why Shapelog is town. Why so uncertain? The way he presents the argument suggests that he isn't even sure how Shapelog played in the game he is basing the meta on which then suggests that the whole argument is bs. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Although, i do not agree with the assessment of me being bad to read her. There have been exactly 2 games where Cake has been scum and i have been town, and once she was super obviously scum. The other time was the game where she was referring to where me and yamato read her as town because she called townies town and mafia mafia. That's usually a town trait yes? Calling the right people scum. Just because her and Moosy and to some extent Glowingbear decided to all bus each other from the beginning and there was no coordination between the scumteam. It's really hard to tell that kinda bussing from townie behavior. Every single other time i have correctly read her. Sooo... I understand it can be a matter of me townreading her too easily, but it could also be that i am actually good at reading her. Trying to argue one or the other is right or wrong is just bs because there is simply not enough evidence. This is to say that you should not write my read on her off as "you're bad at reading her", and you can keep me accountable of my read. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
You are in a unique position like me in a sense that you have more information as you and me both know 100% that we are not both mafia. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 18 2016 22:57 CopCake wrote: I havent called you scum yet tho, i said it was weird. I also have to say i don't like this. Noone except me can both have cake and eat it. So if you are scum you can turn this into a way it best suits so, and i won't allow that. So which is it? Is it scummy or not? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 18 2016 23:50 rsoultin wrote: pues, tbh i don't know about yamato? he's not really a pocket read of mine, and i don't have a great record with him. like i can poke at him but i don't know if what i got would be anything that i could get a read off of lol >< Do you think it makes sense that he basically called us town and the sentence before said he thinks the game will probably evolve into one of me and you getting lynched? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 18 2016 16:44 yamato77 wrote: I feel like this game is going to come down to killing rayn or tina and I have no idea why but it will, and the thread will become their warzone and then I'm going to lose | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 18 2016 23:55 rsoultin wrote: lol we do have pretty recent history of tunneling the shit out of each other, and it could just be alluding to that? basically i have no reason to have a strong read on him one way or the other...which is why he hasn't made it into my list of people i don't think we should shoot one thing that's bugging me was he was here but didn't seem to say much of anything, though I am not sure if i believe yamato as town would make such conclusion from my drunken ramblings.. He should also be good enough to know that what i (or anyone) have done in past games doesn't necessarily translate into further games. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
bleh.. idk how to explain it really, hope you get what i am saying. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
It's not a reactive read (which is what townies do), something happens -> you make a read out of it. This is like proactive, "i assume something will happen so i am making the conclusions beforehand". That's what mafia does, or pushes. I think we can both agree that in case me and you are both town us fighting against each other is not productive. yamato seems to be saying he thinks both of us are town. Why is he trying to promote such atmosphere? I can't really think of any other reasoning for that post. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I am just saying the basis of your read is incorrect. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
And i think it is definitely different here. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 19 2016 02:09 yamato77 wrote: My post was more an existential crisis than any attempt at forming a read. I'll be around later. I would still like you to explain the post. I mean you are not just putting random words after each other right? From what i see the post clearly says something and i would like to know what the true intention of the post is in case my interpretation of it is wrong. I also want Superbia to talk. Answer me, and talk. Idk how anyone can townread him here. If there is a reason please explain, anyone? I don't see any reasons to townread him atm, in fact atm i would be leaning to the other side more... This is just what i was talking about earlier.. On June 18 2016 22:57 CopCake wrote: I havent called you scum yet tho, i said it was weird. On June 19 2016 01:28 CopCake wrote: Hello rsoultin talk to me and tell me when you think rayn is mafia. Which is it? What changed between those posts? Because the later post clearly implies that you think i am mafia. Also why do you direct the question to rsoultin, who is the other person you are supposedly scumreading atm, since you had no complaints about the Shapelog meta point that was debunked. Or if you do, why didn't you say anything? I mean what are you trying to achieve by basically telling your scumread to scumread your other scumread when you know (or at least should know) that rsoultin is not even scumreading me? I think Skynx is town because when i "pushed" him for reads he didn't make anything up. I would expect that a newer player as scum would have felt the need to give me something so they don't look like a "non-contributor", especially when i had JUST made a set of posts where i clearly imply at least i have something to work with in the game. He could have jumped on yamato, Superbia, or even rsoultin (the read i hadn't clarified yet) or question me about those reads (especially the rsoultin one). Basically the only way i see him being mafia atm is if he is mafia exactly with rsoultin and rsoultin is the GF. But first of all i don't think rsoultin is mafia and second the whole thing is so far fetched i am not going further into that since there is no reason to assume that and the easiest explanation is that he is just town. To Shapelog. Technically the correct play is what you were asking yes. The problem however is that in case we miss shooting the GF the bias is basically gonna be too much and we end up deciding the lynch in the first 48 hours, which is also bad. We should be aiming for the GF ofc, but just because someone is "too scummy to be GF" they should not get a pass. I think it's best to just play it straight up and shoot a scumym person and then lynch another scummy person based on more evidence. Cute tricks usually end up fucking the town more than they are gonna achieve. Just keep it simple. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
i do think we should all decide who we want to vig shot as if it were a lynch... yes ofc we will. i thought that was clear from the beginning to all people. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 19 2016 08:01 Superbia wrote: bleh I may just be spouting nonsense. .. like in JAT game, the first ~30 posts in your filter is "start from 0 just to end back in 0". Could you answer me regarding the Shapelog thing? On June 18 2016 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Anyways Superbia, my opinion atm is that if the latest burst of posts is the best you can offer you can get lynched or shot. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 19 2016 18:44 Superbia wrote: How do you feel about cake's push on you? It's dumb but idk if it makes her scum. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 19 2016 18:48 Superbia wrote: One thing I noticed about shapelog as mafia is that his trolling is inherently awkward and forced. So hes superjumpy and actually superdefensive (in qt he genuinely freaks out when I joke about being the cop and having a red on him, even though its super obv a joke). His reaction to my initial prod is comfortable Okay. So why the questionmarks in your post? On June 18 2016 08:13 Superbia wrote: I have played with you=scum before rite? storm mafia thingy? Where I was 3rdp? What does this post mean? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 19 2016 18:50 Superbia wrote: The way I play and get reads is just a little different :p also my new schedule makes it superhard to be a leader bc eods are during my sleep I understand that and i am not saying it makes you mafia. But if you choose to ignore everything that is important, or as i said, start from 0 and end back to 0 with your posts that DOES make you mafia. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 19 2016 07:59 Superbia wrote: rayn's posts are way too long for me to read at this time of the night x; On June 19 2016 08:00 Superbia wrote: I have a vague idea what he is but need to revisit tomorrow. I mean, what the fuck are posts like this? If you have time to make these posts why don't you -- instead of posting this -- tell us what you think for reals? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 19 2016 18:54 Superbia wrote: Being lazy. I sometimes mix player meta up (eg i thought moosy was shape in d1 prev newb game) So you actually meta town read Shapelog without actually remembering how he played in the game you referenced to? Is that what you are saying? Or what? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 19 2016 02:14 Skynx wrote: Well I didn't pick up anything interesting other than that Yamato post. I agree with ryan on fact that its not reactive. Its almost too wifom to be scum, if not just a very pointless post from town perspective. Actually what do you mean with this Skynx? Isn't "too wifom to be scum" = "very pointless post from town perspective" = "town"? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I have a hard time figuring out where you actually stand with your reads. You seem to be thinking i am town, Skynx is town and rsoultin is town(?), who is scum? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I know you seem to be thinking yamato is goon and you don't wanna shoot him because of that and blabla... I however have no idea why have come to any of the conclusions you have. If you are right and yamato is a goon why does Cake townread him and doesn't want to shoot him? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 19 2016 19:19 Superbia wrote: Srsly? Im like 96% its how Shapelog played but im asking in case i switched him with moosy or something. X; I look it up myself as well but yknow. Getting as much reactions as you can I am not saying he played differently than you remember. I am saying the way you worded your post suggests that YOU don't remember how he played which makes the read in itself BS. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 19 2016 19:59 Superbia wrote: So you agree with the read and its content but you still question me giving it? It doesnt matter if i agree with it or not since it sounds reasonable. Regardless of if it is right or wrong it can't be really argued against which is why meta reads are dumb to base a read solely on. I think this discussion is useless since it will not lead anywhere anymore as you still haven't answered me properly and i don't know if i believe you actually remember how Shapelog played or not since i see evidence that suggests into both directions. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I was more interested in HOW you came to the conclusion since the way you presented the read looked like you should not have the conclusion you came to. What i meant and was questioning you on should be not so hard to grasp tbh... | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
nvm, just drop it, i can't make a decision based on that. Why is rsoultin a poe scumread when you already have 2 scumreads? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I can't figure this shit out with the stuff we have here so far. yamato? Where are you? If you are town don't do this to me. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I mean, i know where you are coming from, but like.... I don't see much sense in him not understanding where i am coming from with the thing on him, and i can't understand why he scumreads you for PoE when he already has 2 other scumreads, that doesn't make much sense to me. What else has he done? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 00:53 CopCake wrote: Also rayn you know i bus hard when i think clearly is 100% mafia and rn I will go Sup with it. umm what? who do you think is 100% mafia? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Me, you and him have never been in a same game together. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
i'm bad. nvm. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
yeah you cant bus hard in this game regardless of who your teammate is unless you are the GF. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 01:06 CopCake wrote: Who was in that game? i remember i was mafia and the person that found me was a cosmic something universe guy, prettt sure sup was there because i wanted to kill her. This is totally incorrect though. You got lynched because the cop claimed a red check on you. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 01:10 CopCake wrote: The "wow" superbia i met that was town wouldnt act this lazy. So yes. As I said first day lazyness is justified because the thread has been so slow but like yeah not enough info at least try to build something. It is not that the laziness is justified or not, but the fact i can't understand is why you TOWNREAD him earlier for the said thing. Like why did you think he is TOWN for that? Null i could get, or not scum, but why town? Why were other people who were "lazy" not town if it is justified? Was/is yamato town too because he was lazy or why? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 01:14 CopCake wrote: Yes, is what i meant with he found me, the galaxy universe dont remeber his username but was related to galaxies got a red check on me. I Superbia wasn't the cop though. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 01:19 CopCake wrote: I said she was amazing in that game, she doesnt need to be a cop to be good. idk what's the metric here but as he got lynched on D5 i don't think he was too amazing tbh. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 01:22 CopCake wrote: Why do you remember all details on that game but the first time i brought it up you said superbia wasnt part lf it? Because i went to the database as i didn't remember Superbia was even in the game, then i saw he got lynched on D5 and as the dude who won the game as scum while me and yamato (nightkills on N1 and N2) were yelling to lynch Moosydoosy, not listening to that cannot be amazing play, especially when he got himself lynched as town. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 01:38 CopCake wrote: Well you have to admit that after me being a red check moosy became the towniest member of them all and is easy to manipulate people. he should have been the lynch on D3 (before you got red checked) by any standards. :p | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
You are not even wanting to shoot me because you think i am the GF, you are wanting to shoot me because öf some arbitary dumbass narrative you made up. If you wanna suggest a shot on me, at least try to make up a proper reason instead of this bs "let's kill some good townie"... | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On further notice, you said your reads, top three scum are yamato -> cake -> rsoultin. Apparently you don't actually think this is true in case you want to shoot me since it just doesnt make any logical sense. If you think i am the godfather then you would have said you think i am mafia. If you don't think i am mafia then you should not be suggesting shooting me, you should be suggesting shooting someone else who can be mafia and you don't scumread, unless you think i am least likely to solve the game in lylo assuming the shot is not going to hit the godfather. Like you are literally making no sense at all rn. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 04:57 CopCake wrote: I wanna know if the role godfather works the same here as the one i am used to in other sites. Everyone gets to vote for a vigilante shot on N0 (ends in 2 hours). If we shoot the godfather (majority vote PM'd to artanis) town wins. If we shot anyone else than a godfather, the game goes on to D1 and we need to lynch mafia for town to win (doesnt matter which of the two mafia). | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why is yamato in your opinion objectively the most scummy person then? The lack of activity doesn't necessarily mean he is mafia in itself and you haven't commented ANYTHING on what yamato has actually said in this game. On further notice, you said your reads, top three scum are yamato -> cake -> rsoultin. Apparently you don't actually think this is true in case you want to shoot me since it just doesnt make any logical sense. If you think i am the godfather then you would have said you think i am mafia. If you don't think i am mafia then you should not be suggesting shooting me, you should be suggesting shooting someone else who can be mafia and you don't scumread, unless you think i am least likely to solve the game in lylo assuming the shot is not going to hit the godfather. Like you are literally making no sense at all rn. Superbia. Answer. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 05:19 CopCake wrote: How do i send pms here? I will have to just repply artanis, casting vote on super. You can go to first post in this thread and next to Artanis' name hover over the little arrow and you see "PM" link there. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 05:23 yamato77 wrote: Basically my shot preference is skynx > copcake > shape > super > rsoul > rayn Based on the limited information I can gather in the short amount of time I've spent reading Wait why Skynx? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Did you even read what the dude wrote? He doesnt want to kill you because he has decided you are mafia goon and wants to decide we lynch you right here right now. Instead he suggests we shoot someone who is clearly town.... | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Superbia (2): rayn, cake Shapelog (1): yamato rayn?(1): Superbia Superbia and yamato have left the building and i assume Cake is unlikely to come back because it's fathers day there. rsoultin said she'll be back before deadline and there is no sign of Shapelog. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
rsoultin read my post after yamato's list. Maybe scum just fucked up. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 06:21 Skynx wrote: Meh i think super is goon trying to take a shot for yamato That doesn't really matter because if that's the case we can still lynch yamato the next day. The problem is if yamato doesn't flip GF we don't really know what Superbia is, or like, it doesn't tell anything about him -- unlike the other way around. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
There should be absolutely no way yamato doesn't understand that and lets Superbia live, unless Superbia for some reason needs to live over him. They both look super sketchy, but it makes more sense for yamato to be GF than for Superbia. If the game goes on i suggest you guys lynch yamato. It just makes the most in case Superbia is not in fact the GF. If he flips town or mafia doesn't really matter. Please try to read the first paragraph and understand it. gl guys. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
more tomorrow, now gn! | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 14:27 rsoultin wrote: which leads me to the only logical explanation being scum stacking a shot on who they thought would get vig shot by town, and if they thought that that person was yama that points heavily toward someone afk my money's on shape. it helps that he's also like the only one i know here who actually thinks that making confusing night kills is a better strat than just removing the obv players who are 1) widely townread and 2) can solve the game Yes or Skynx, because yamato wanted to kill him. Basically noone else than Shapelog or Skynx has any reason to shoot yamato. Cake and you shoot me 100 times out of 100, well at least you do, Cake maybe 98 out of 100. Shapelog's big post is all over the place and i have no idea what he is talking about in it. Suddenly everyone is scum? What? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 19 2016 19:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually what do you mean with this Skynx? Isn't "too wifom to be scum" = "very pointless post from town perspective" = "town"? Skynx you never answered me on this. Could i get an answer please? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 18:39 Skynx wrote: This looks like a grammatical error on my part. What did you mean to say? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 18:47 Skynx wrote: Its wierd of you to push me btw, I was the only one to get the goon correct. You realize that's not really a point in favor of you being town? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 08:39 Shapelog wrote: So flipply floppy on super Rsoul. One min he is scum, one he is not, one he is scum, but could be town. That's not how it went down... | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 22:05 Skynx wrote: I don't see how you conclude this. If we lynched Yamato they would have to kill one of remaining 5 now meaning more information for us and anyway we lynch Super today and win. But you guys didn't want that to happen. And you didn't vocally object that. I mean, i am not saying it makes you mafia but it definitely doesn't make you town. Just because you have not played as much as other people in this game doesn't mean you shouldn't voice your opinion / make your stance perfectly clear. You are allowed to say and object things you think are going to end up being a wrong decision. If you are not mafia, then who is? I am not pushing for your lynch here, now. I am trying to figure out what is the most likely answer and from what i know, rsoultin is not the correct answer for being mafia, and i am almost sure Cake is not mafia either. If you disagree with me, let me know why. If you think i am mafia, let other people know why - and give me a chance to answer your accusation. The fact is that "figuring out who is the goon" doesn't make you town and while it doesn't make you mafia either saying that i look fishy (or whatever you are saying) is kinda bs because i have in my opinion clearly elaborated on how i have come to my conclusions in this game. Just saying "he is calling me mafia so i call him mafia" is not a valid reason, and that's what i see you saying atm. Or like.. at least vocally attacking me just because i am entertaining the possibility of you being mafia. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Because if you are mafia that's what you would want and that's how you would most likely approach it. Anyways, when you can, i'd like to hear more elaboration on who IS mafia. We've got time, but i'd rather start figuring this out sooner than later since i am not sure who is mafia at this point. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 20 2016 07:17 Shapelog wrote: [...] But in all seriousness, I had nothing to do with shooting Yammty, and wouldn't. If I was scum, I would of taken the easy ML (going off of what rsoul last post said, due to me being absent) since my 3 for 3 scum streak is alive. I read/catch up now On June 20 2016 08:39 Shapelog wrote: [...] Meh Was going to say something about yammty, but I forgot he flipped so lol. [...] Do you want to say something about this Shapelog? I actually find it quite hard to believe that you forgot, in 1 hour and 12 minutes, when you were doing a re-read, who flipped. Especially since basically yamato being shot is the "reason" you are being accused of being scum for -- or part of it. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
We still have time though. I am not going to decide this now just because i don't have to. I am just saying regardless of who yamato voted for being shot he said, in thread, that Skynx is in his opinion most likely to be mafia. But yes, you are right. I have a hard time seeing anything else as a possible solution. But I am not going to just decide that's it, because i still remember how marv could never be mafia with DP and has to be mafia with Rels because "otherwise he would have voted Rels" in the RSM II game. I'd actually like to not lose this game so anyone is town please do not get lazy now, we already basically got saved with the yamato shot lol. After dinner i am gonna go see who Cake shot in the PYP game on final nights. Just to have a perspective on if it's totally out of her "league" to make a shot like that or not. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I kinda am thinking (and I will admit cake, this might be paranoid) that the shot was a frame shot on me due to my meta. The prob. is that I cannot just go "Oh it is one of ryan/rsoul, due to them knowing my scum meta." because super was scum, and could of told either skynx or cake about how I shot. This is the important thing Shape. This is the answer you will give as either alignment most likely. But for the real answer. Who did it and where is the evidence for that? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 21 2016 05:04 CopCake wrote: Like the right answer here rn is that whoever shot Yamato is newbie or is me or is someone that knows me (pointing you and rsoul) Well that covers everyone in this game..... Also why do you say this? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 21 2016 05:09 CopCake wrote: Oh i know everybody here? I dont know i dont remember meeting shape. no i meant your answer said "anyone in the game" into "who you think would kill yamato". | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
i can sorta kinda make an argument for rayn independent of my read on how he's playing (which is actually how i always read him and has proven to be accurate way beyond my usual level of accuracy with other players) that he might be concerned about a shot on me when he's the more obvious scum shot. but that would involve discarding my read. it's paranoia and nothing else really What does this mean in 5yr old english? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 21 2016 05:15 CopCake wrote: Rayn you can like take every word i say with tissues because of my grammar, the person that killed yamato is either: - newbie - rsoultin or you - myself Obvs is not me because I am town. yes and for the players who are not Superbia in this game that includes all the players in the game since Shapelog and Skynx are newbies (in relation to other players and their experience with them) and rest of them are you, me and rsoultin. So i was kinda looking for the answer for "who would in your opinion most likely shoot yamato" and you said "anyone". | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 21 2016 05:19 rsoultin wrote: it means that i think you're town based on my usual method of reading you, which i've had a lot of success with it means that objectively, the most townread player might choose to shoot someone who isn't because it would look weird for me to die over him it means that despite that i trust my read more than the paranoid, maybe rayn shot yamato cause he couldn't shoot himself, thought make sense? yes, makes sense. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
rsoultin thinks mafia is Shapelog. Cake thinks mafia is Shapelog? I am about 55% Shapelog 44% Skynx, 1% Cake. Shapelog thinks mafia is rsoultin (or cake or Skynx??? i am not sure) I don't know who Skynx thinks is mafia. Skynx when you get back, who is mafia. Shapelog too. If you don't know who is mafia or cannot make an educated guess, i'd like more questionmarks in your posts. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 21 2016 05:52 CopCake wrote: Rayn am i town or mafia to you? town. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 21 2016 19:29 Skynx wrote: Shape wasn't around for Super lynch and he didn't even confirm his vote so I can take him off based on my reasoning of mafia plot. So you completely disagree with the "scum were trying to shoot the same person town shoots" argument? Why? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
How the fuck someone gets a flu in the middle of summer??Skynx is probably not scum since he is not taking any outs he is being given here. If it's just super good mafia play then i tip my hat to him. More likely though he just genuinely believes in what he says and how he thinks the kill went off. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 01:10 Shapelog wrote: Eh, I do one more post towards actively defending myself before I just ignore it and (hopefully) find scum. I plan things out as scum. This is very fucking evdicent in the scum qt's of mine. Now, you can say all you want about me being AFK or what not, but I would of already have started to talk to Super about a plan of some sorts, or have detail what I wanted to do in day 1 (as I was being town read, and most likely scum!Shape would of thought he would of reached D1) and super would of known what I was planning. I also have a agenda that works with said plan. Tell me, what is my agenda here? Shoot Yammty, argue with people that I was frame and magically I will win? Especially with Ryan and Rsoul, who know me very well, being in the game? Not to mention, that I am super aware of how people see me as scum, and would of adapted to the situation, and not do something so stupid. I am not going to argue if Super would or wouldn't shoot Yammto cause I really do not fucking known period. It could be for Ryan's reasoning, it could be a frame shot (Since I was afk, and could be a target) etc. I have no evdince, unlike my meta point above, to based anything on, and am not going to lead this into a a WIFOM measuring contest. Yes, I am a cute scummer that likes cute plays sure. I also know how to play a soild scum mafia style as well, and would be doing so due to my reputation I built after storm. I am not dumb, hell, in name SL jumped me after my 1st few posts for being "cute". IK people know that I am known for this kinda Bullshit, and very few other people (certainly not anyone in this game, other then maybe cake, which I would've known anyways before shot) do what I am known to do. I mean, outside of the shot, why am I scum? I guess you could add my defensiveness to it, yet meta wise that can go either way. I'll try to explain as well as i possibly can. This is not only to Shapelog but to all the players. 1. The night kill and the framing theory. If you assume the framing theory is correct, you have to assume the play goes into motion when Superbia starts calling a shot on me in thread. It basically has to, because that's when he became a reasonable shot target for the town - aka started looking scummy. Now if we go with your theory, it makes absolutely no sense for either me or rsoultin to make such play. Yamato is already a scumread for basically all the players in the game, and he hard-townreads me and townreads rsoultin. Basically regardless what yamato does, starts playing better or not, he is already in a position where he cannot possibly call either of us mafia on D1, and that makes my / rsoultin's job easier in case we are mafia. Or if he does, he will look worse than which again makes our job easier - since he will be even more likely to get lynched. That is why i completely discarded rsoultin from being mafia right after the day start. It just makes absolutely no sense for her to make the game HARDER to win, especially since what she said is completely correct, if she was mafia there is a chance that i pick up something on her, let it be a fuck-up or not and get her lynched. 2. Based on the above, i thought mafia is in you, Skynx and Cake. I don't believe in the framing theory. I don't believe it is true, even if you are town Shapelog. Just because there are too many assumptions to be made for the scumteam BEFORE the things that happened did happen. That's why it sounds utterly retarded to me. If someone framed you they would have to (1) predict 3 hours before the deadline that you are not gonna show up, (2) predict that yamato starts making irrational posts about Superbia and (3) predict that someone brings up the "Shapelog is scum" theory after the deadline (technically this could indicate rsoultin, but again -- see 1. ). If ALL of those things do not happen, scum are absolutely fucked, always. The play is just so bad it doesn't make any sense for anyone. So yes, the easiest explanation is that there is noone trying to frame you if you are town. This brings me to the following: Who would make that night kill? You totally would -- for the reasons brought up before. Even if we completely ignore the afk thing, you could still make the kill (or Superbia), because yamato voted for you. Skynx could make the kill too, for the reasons outlined. While yamato didn't call him his #1 scum (i assume, since he voted to night vigi you) he was one of the people calling Skynx mafia. I thought Cake wouldn't make the kill, apparently she could have. So at this point i am at Shapelog Skynx Cake Here is why i think Skynx is not mafia: On June 22 2016 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Skynx is probably not scum since he is not taking any outs he is being given here. If it's just super good mafia play then i tip my hat to him. More likely though he just genuinely believes in what he says and how he thinks the kill went off. Like throughout the day he has been presented differing scenarios that are logically sound and call someone else scum, he chooses to not take any of them. Even when at least me and rsoultin were considering the possibility of him being mafia he stood his ground. It's extremely unlike he does that as mafia. I don't think he is right in what he assumes happened, but that doesn't make him scum, since what he is saying makes sense. Here is why i think Cake is not mafia: Cake called out the difference in Shapelog's behavior after the deadline. There actually is a notable difference. I think that was one of the best notions anyone has made in this game, albeit it was based on one post. But it has continued, and Cake is quite good in reading into those kinda things before other people. Also regardless of what Cake says, i think she would have still shot me since i am the most likely person to get her lynched if she is mafia. I also believe, based on the PYP scum QT, if Cake was mafia Superbia probably had a lot to say in the night kill. In PYP Cake never decided the night kills, since she was busy (like she is now). If Superbia decided the kill by himself, yamato is never going to be shot here, unless again, Shapelog or Skynx (people yamato called mafia) is scum. 3. Shapelog's behavior during Day 1. Normally when flips happen, people get new information and use that information to update their reads and make conclusions from the reads. Shapelog goes to the other direction. In these posts here, here and here, he basically presents a theory and starts mulling it over. That in itself is not bad or scummy, but when the mulling over goes on and on and on and never ends up in any decent conclusion while there are decent points and arguments why, based on his theory, certain people look way more townie than the rest of the people from the group (see 1. and 2.). It just doesn't make any sense that he never comes to any real conclusion on any of the people, and that is characteristic to his scumplay. In Storm mafia for example, Shapelog was ALWAYS the last person to vote, and last person to voice his opinion. Exaggeratedly saying his scumplay revolves around hanging in shadows and just make the town lynch some other people and then wait people to call other people scum. At this moment, at least when started to write this post, he STILL has no conclusions. In my opinion those conclusions should be fairly easy to make if you just take a couple of tens of minutes to read what ACTUALLY happened at the end of D1. Shapelog has been posting a lot, yet not done this. TLDR; Why Shapelog is mafia: 1. process of elimination 2. last paragraph | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 01:53 rsoultin wrote: it sounds like you know what you have to do but still aren't doing it. rofl. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 02:30 Skynx wrote: Vito Corleone: yo super my boy go act scummy so they kill you then we shoot Yamato so they start day from zero. I'm gona push you aswell so they don't suspect me one bit. Superbia: Sure papa. Shape can't be mafia cuz he'd be around for pushing super last minute. Or at least thats how i see things. The problem with this is the following: Let's say -3 is town victory and 3 is mafia victory on the scale. Why would mafia wanna start from 0 when they can start from 2? That is the crux of the argument. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Because i know noone else in this game thinks so. Even if you think that's what mafia could have done it is 100% certain that noone else does (well Cake says she does but... even Superbia doesn't and as i said i dont think superbia would have let cake make that kill for your reasoning). Noramlly scum kill people who: 1. are on the right track 2. are the biggest threat to your team 3. you can't lynch 4. blue reads (but that doesnt apply here) | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
If you do, please do tell. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 03:04 Skynx wrote: Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow. One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever. The problem is why does Superbia make that play then? Cake was not scumread, Superbia was not scumread by anyone except me. Why not shoot me and be townread instead of making a play you don't even know will succeed? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I just don't think it's the correct explanation here. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 03:11 Skynx wrote: How does shooting you gives towncred? Super was scumread by three including me you n tina, Shape likely to vote Super aswell beacuase of earlier beef. He was not scumread before he started attacking me. As i said before, if what you suggested is the correct explanation that's when the play is on already (Superbia wanting to get shot). That's why it doesn't make sense to me, because at that time i was the only person scumreading him. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I'll be back in at most 1 hour. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Not voting (2): Shapelog, Cake | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
And now this gets into the highly conversational part of this read, and this is the character of Cake. Anything That I say here is not meet to be insulting (not that it should be) or judgmental. Cake is somewhat of ENSP and a INTJ mixed (kinda) She is uncomfortable with people she doesn't know very well, and is more likely to talk to those she does know. Multiple posts, suggest this (especially the one with her listening to Ryan and Rsoul about my and Sky newbness if stated) So what does this mean? This means that it makes sense for her NOT to interact as heavily as she does with Rsoul or Ryan. In addition, I feel like she would WANT to go against this and would interact more with me and sky if she was scum, due to the logic of not being able to be tied to being scum. And while she did scum read me, Skynx was pretty untouched Day 1, and only consider around the time of the Framing idea. This makes zero sense at all. "Cake's personality is that she will most likely talk to people she knows the best the most, so as mafia she would do the opposite to not get caught". Even if this is true, and you'd have a correct view of her meta (which you don't), this doesn't make any sense in any world. Another hot tip; If you are town and going to argue towards the narrative of mafia framing you, i suggest you debunk the evidence posted in thread that suggests the narrative is just incorrect. If you are scum and the play is to get Cake vote with you and get Skynx to switch his vote, feel free to continue what you are doing. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 05:26 Shapelog wrote: I am not even wasting the time with the framing idea anymore. I only posted that in her section of the read, because she had a similar idea. (1)Say what you want, Cake has been extremely focus/more contactable with you and Rsoul this game then me or skynx. This I find we both can agree on. I can quote a number of posts the supports that Idea. (2)So I cannot be town trying to actually give a solid conclusion, outside of a theory I have, and found that they are both town? Why do you think me TRing them is going to make them flock to my side? Shouldn't they be more wary of me because I am sus of 2 players they both have a strong opinion about? Or (and I am going to be cheeky) are you scum, and actually worrying that I get on the right track? (1) Yes she has, and that doesn't make her anything. Especially based on how you put it because you said as scum she would try to act townie in our eyes by acting unnaturally - and that makes her town. (2) The thing is those are not solid conclusions. They don't even look remotely close to solid conclusions (see (1)). If you are mafia that's the only thing you can do rofl.. I think you are smart enough to realize me and rsoultin are highly unlike to change our votes in comparison to Cake who "agreed to the framing theory" and Skynx who doesn't really seem to be thinking you are scum. Come on, don't play stupid..... | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Or (and I am going to be cheeky) are you scum, and actually worrying that I get on the right track? I know, i will give you a hint: On June 20 2016 04:39 Superbia wrote: u scared bro? o; not the first instance ever.. ends up in the same way every time. I know which on side the mafia dude is, always. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 05:43 Shapelog wrote: Theoretically, Why cannot I convince you, or Rsoul to change votes? yes, it would be harder for you and rsoul to change, yet the main prob. you guys had outside of the shot was no conclusions blah blah. Not only that, but you both have been open to it. If you want to do this, then we go back to the debunk the "who would shoot yamato" arguments. Because basically atm your argument is that the people who don't scumread you are not scum. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I am not getting into an argument called "what the game mafia is about". | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 05:55 Shapelog wrote: Now, did you read the bit below were you quoted? I don't care. A 6-year old probably realizes my vote and rsoultin's vote is probably not going to move and Cake had not voted at that point. So however hard she scumreads you or not her vote is more likely to end up anywhere else than ours. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Either we believe right now he is scum or some dumbasses will yolo-vote onto something else for flimsy reasoning. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 06:11 CopCake wrote: This is a lie i also called super mafia, i called out her attitude and even said that is not justified for her to be innactive since i consider her amazing. You didn't call him mafia at the time my post is about. You called him mafia after what happened after that. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 06:34 CopCake wrote: ok I have another question, lets say we lynch shape and we are wrong and he is town, does mafia win that or do we have another day? game ends tonight either in town or mafia victory. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 06:35 CopCake wrote: When we were mafia together with balrogs girlfriend... Sirren? I didn't kill rsoultin. I decided the night 1 kill, there was nothing too spectacular about that. We killed the most townie dude. I don't exactly know who you and Sirren killed after that because i don't closely follow games where i am scum after i die. But you made the "normal" night kills, people you know and know to be good, and who are not scumread. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 06:44 CopCake wrote: truth to be told i should go with the obvious option,i will aplaud you if you were mafia rayn and set up super to say that you are dangerous to make you look town.I am not mafia and if i was that would be the dumbest thing ever to do. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
If he was town he would have made the conclusion he now presents back then, and not 10 minutes before deadline. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 06:51 CopCake wrote: Rayn killing yama is not dumb because it is obvious that if you are mafia you cant get killed lol I am not arguing against that. I am arguing against the fact that the way it happened, if i was Superbia's scumbuddy, we would have played like complete retards. And i shoot rsoultin 10/10 if i am mafia since yamato is my #1 mislynch. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 06:55 CopCake wrote: But isnt yamatto better at making cases against you that rsoultin? If you had read the thread you'd know this has already been discussed. Why don't people read the game they are playing? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Yamato is already a scumread for basically all the players in the game, and he hard-townreads me and townreads rsoultin. Basically regardless what yamato does, starts playing better or not, he is already in a position where he cannot possibly call either of us mafia on D1, and that makes my / rsoultin's job easier in case we are mafia. Or if he does, he will look worse than which again makes our job easier - since he will be even more likely to get lynched. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 07:00 Shapelog wrote: Ik tbh This game was hard for me really after the yammty shot. Everyone really honestly sounded somewhat townie at one point at another, and I was focusing too much on dumb shit then the overall picture. I was lost. yeah, i basically yolo'd it. read the scum QT. But honestly, none of what you said in your post makes me mafia, i had a really easy game here. If you think that makes me scum you are gonna scumread me in every single game ever. ^^ | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
It was gonna be super hard to argue "why shoot Superbia the obvious goon" and as i was already scumreading him i would look terrible if i then didn't scumread him on D1 in case he doesn't get shot, but yamato kinda gave me a logical reason to assume "Superbia is the GF". Funnily enough town managed to have kinda the right idea of how to do this, but i don't even know how i was able to turn it around on D1, i mean this: [14:22:47] Joni Toiviainen: if the town is going to shoot town we are definitely shooting the same person the town shoots whoever that is. technically the besty play would be if the town shoots you but we can't push it, because the person who pushes goon to be shot looks terrible on D1 (while they should), but i would assume that's gonna happen anyways [14:23:24] Joni Toiviainen: i don't really think you should play "intentionally scummy", because someone smart can figure out you should not actually shoot the scummiest person in the game because they are likely to be goon. I was like "fuuuuuck" when Shapelog made the post about the "best play" on N0 but somehow i managed to turn that around. Skynx got it too late (started arguing about it only on D1 when it doesn't matter anymore). | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Your posts are really hard to follow at times and they seem to be losing the main point and get sidetracked. The problem with this is making a convincing case like that is super hard. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 07:26 Shapelog wrote: I've noticed, more if I write what happens down more, I do better. For example, I wouldn't have thought you were scum until, believe it or not, done the page by page thing. (1)I saw the not questioning Rsoul thing, and that made me think. (2)I also forgot about Super interaction with you hard. Should of been more of a point. (1) I would have never questioned rsoultin as town either, because all game we were on the same page, and honestly if i was town, i would have probably ended up doing exactly what i did here. idk why would you question someone who already agrees with you? (2) Where does the "the player who interacted the most with flipped mafia is mafia" come from? I mean, i question people i think are scummy, or irrational. That is only natural. That always leads to interactions, and especially with me because i am suuuuuper nitpicky and want to get bottom of everything. I always end up arguing A LOT with people i think are mafia when they are in thread. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
would give the movie a perfect 5/7. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Like if i am actually town, how am i going to counter that argument since it has nothing to do with MY actions? Smart mafia is gonna use that kind of logic against you -- i.e. do things that make someone else look scummy by not the person's OWN actions. I believe all cases should be based on what the person themselves did, not by what someone else did. Because all it does is it leads to is confirmation bias because there is no reliable defense. Like even i, in this game, did not accuse you of being mafia solely for the fact that yamato got shot. Because it is a dumb argument in itself. It's a point to look into some direction, but it doesn't make anyone mafia. I outlined the reasons why i find it most likely that my starting point for the argument is sound, and then wrote why i think you are mafia because of YOUR actions in this game. Also i don't usually write a lot about why someone is town, unless they are likely to get lynched. Like i could have said "rsoultin is town because she is on the same page with me all the time -- look, it's not once when we make basically a same post at the same time" but what's the point if they are not lynched anyways? And i figured people would actually see that and make the conclusion without me throwing it on their face. I'd rather focus on stuff that explains why someone is mafia, or questioning people for possible mafia actions, because ultimately that's the point, to find and lynch mafia and convince the town to do so. That's form the town point of view, this game was honestly really close to my town play because i found many things that usually come from scum, and it was easy to argue for them. I am not sure... i mean, i believe if i was rsoultin in this game i would have probably made the exact same choices i did here. It was somehow easy to play scum in this game, not because town played bad but because everything just fell in place. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 10:38 Tumblewood wrote: Shape I don't understand your WoT on rayn at all You should do a sentence summary, partly as an exercise but mostly because I'm curious and lazy I'd like to hear that aswell. I mean, there are a lot of defenses i had in my "back pocket" i never needed to use. From what i gathered from the case at the time i read it i think i could have defended myself reasonably. That is assuming i understood it correctly. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I agree Superbia's play was not good. At least to me it gave the most headache. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I mean, there is no reason why i should lie about my read on her when i am not trying to lynch her. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 18:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't necessarily agree you would've. As mafia, his case was the only thing that could threaten your win I mean, as town i might have been genuinely mad about people possibly throwing the game based on something really stupid which is not "out of my playbook" as town. I often yell at people and just shut everything down when i feel like someone / people start making bad decisions near the deadline while not doing anything about it earlier. Because it is just bad play, in the long run you will never win like that, and a coinflip win or scumlynch is not satisfying in my opinion, it's no better than "wow we randomly lynched mafia". But yeah, as i said, maybe, idk. edit: I mean like, in somewhat comparison, when i have made my decision i will fight for it and will not change my mind, or at least it's very very unlike (especially in a situation like this). In Outlaw i thought Palmar was scum and made a case. Palmar gave his explanation/defense #1, it didn't make sense. At that point i decided that he HAS to be mafia, and when he gave explanations #2-x, my answer was just always "i don't believe you". That's how i operate. Up until some point i am fully capable and willing to re-evaluate but after certain point it's going to be impossible to change my mind. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 19:30 Superbia wrote: Wtf you asshole. You literally asked me on skype to do scummy shit. >:| ehh no? I believe this was our game plan no? [14:23:24] Joni Toiviainen: i don't really think you should play "intentionally scummy", because someone smart can figure out you should not actually shoot the scummiest person in the game because they are likely to be goon. or was there a miscommunication lol? I read the scum QT and i really can't find any sentence where i ask you to play scummy lol. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 19:39 Superbia wrote: At one point I was going to go elaborate on my "why shoot the scary town" thing (which btw is prob the best play for town) and you told me on skype to just go afk. :p Hey, it worked out and I'm not complaining. I also didn't do anything stellar this game, but I did support your play. Ahh you mean that... The reason for that was because you had already made the play we talked about. At that point the best play was to get you shot and you not posting anything anymore has the best chances of getting you shot. I mean, if you had lived, there was basically no way i am going to justify not scumreading you anymore at any point during the day phase. Because if i do, whoever of rsoultin and yamato is alive will instantly know i am mafia -- and mafia with you. edit: idk if our original plan would have worked better than this worked. i mean, i genuinely felt like you made a "mistake" when you started calling the shot on me, because at that point i felt pressure regarding "how am i gonna deal with D1 if Superbia is not dead (not call him scum in the end)? And even if he is, how am i gonna make it happen so that it doesn't point to me?". That's something i didn't feel like at all before that -- regardless of if you were gonna get shot or not. but yeah, anyways in the end it worked out. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
But i still think a planned plan with teammates usually ends up in a better result than unplanned play with rash decisions, especially if town plays well. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I guess i'd say quite balanced. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 23 2016 01:23 Skynx wrote: Maaan i actually had this game figured fuck this You had the right idea yeah. Still nothing really pointed towards me, or like yeah it did, but so it did point to anyone else too as much. | ||
| ||
|
|
Wardi Open
Monday Night Weeklies
Replay Cast
The PondCast
Replay Cast
Replay Cast
Road to EWC
SC Evo League
Road to EWC
Afreeca Starleague
BeSt vs Soulkey
[ Show More ] |
|
|
EPT
