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but damdred is more mafia so let's do that first. | ||
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On June 07 2016 06:59 Damdred wrote: Palmar why can't we be friends? Its kind of sad that there is this wedge that drives us a part at this time in our lives we were friends all last game because you were town. I didn't even mafia you once | ||
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On June 07 2016 07:05 LightningStrike wrote: I took care of his team right after but no one wanted to listen to me Day 2  I just wanted to kill marv for fun. Then it was mafia's turn again. marv kinda deserved it. | ||
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I still think Damdred is a good lynch. | ||
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On June 08 2016 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Like how has Palmar done any more than me? Seriously though, I've given reads on people, explained them to the best of my ability AND been able to answer questions (mostly, I hear ya Bugs) That fact alone makes me suspect that ALL of these reads are fabricated and meaningless. ##Vote: Tumblewood To be honest one word of mine is worth about 100 of yours so it's a steep climb | ||
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Two people jumped this guy for making a fairly vanilla introduction post. If kwah is mafia that is not why he is mafia. On one hand shapelog looks worse because apparently he was setting up a trap? or something? for kwah (which is double dumb because traps are dumb, and traps for people who are new and might do whatever are even dumber). On the other hand it's easier to hold Rels accountable to not being bad in general, so him jumping that is kinda awful. | ||
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##vote shapelog | ||
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On June 08 2016 23:40 Rels wrote: See Palmar, this is what a real #1 player does on D1. I already claimed the credit if shapelog is mafia. if he flips town it's bugs' fault though. | ||
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On June 08 2016 23:44 Rels wrote: I'm not bad and I'm convinced Tomahawk is scum. He is playing exactly how a newb scum plays. 100% scum I haven't even read past the post you guys jumped. maybe he is mafia, I'm not gonna defend him. But the post that both of you attacked was not something that makes someone lock mafia. | ||
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it's technically a better lynch also based on activity. I'm going back to damdred. I'll make a final decision later today. ##unvote ##vote Damdred | ||
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Blues should always counterclaim, probably after night ends. 1 for 1 is always a good trade for us. So, while we have no counterclaims there's no reason to even consider the possibility of the two claimed blues to be anything other than confirmed town. If they EVER retract, immediately lynch them. I want this to be absolutely clear. There is no scenario where they retract and don't get instantly lynched. If either of them is somehow neither mafia nor blue, that's not my problem. They should be lynched and if they flip green they should probably be publicly ridiculed for the remainder of the year. Here's the script. Damdy/Shape are confirmed town - if counterclaimed, lynch the scummier of the conflicting claims - if retracted, immediately lynch them | ||
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On June 09 2016 22:34 Koshi wrote: :/ That is exactly what I said. you called me mafia in the process which makes you bad | ||
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Koshi2016 | ||
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In addition, Rels should probably be lynched because he is responsible for newbie bro kwah's death. | ||
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On June 09 2016 22:45 Koshi wrote: But it is good you think Rels is mafia. Makes you 0-3 in this game. please those were joke scumreads. | ||
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On June 10 2016 03:45 wherebugsgo wrote: You've been a complete nonfactor and your reads have been quite questionable. This is not the town Palmar I remember but everyone else has been saying you've been a lazy asshole (and a couple of your past games seem to indicate this) which is why I'm not that sure if you are scum I post less (but not that much less) than I used to. I had to basically bring my level down if I wanted to keep participating in games. I'm never an asshole. Also, I know I'm almost always right, but just occasionally I'm wrong. I was technically right that both Shapelog and Damdy were acting weird, I just didn't pinpoint the correct reason for it. Acting like an asshole because you're blue and wasting the blue role of town is not the normal behavior for a townperson. I just attributed it to them being mafia, instead of them being selfish blues. | ||
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Got'em boys | ||
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The only logical conclusion is Artanis is telling the truth and thus Damdred is mafia. Also, this means Koshi is still bad and I'm still #1 | ||
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If I remember correctly, shape claimed and so there was some confusion and Damdred started emerging as potentially the lynch target so he just immediately claimed too without putting much effort into actually defending himself. | ||
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On June 10 2016 18:05 Koshi wrote: ok. I don't understand how you can all think Artanis is actually town. Blows my mind. your mind is easily blown | ||
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On June 10 2016 18:06 Koshi wrote: he was going to get lynched 100% after Shape claimed. So he would claim as either alignment. That is the incorrect play, I haven't checked the timings but I thought he definitely had the time to at least attempt a non-claiming defense. Essentially, it didn't even cross his mind that if he is actually blue and can barely dodge a lynch, he's going to have a very easy time staying alive from mafia shots as long as he can keep on not being lynched. The only reason he would do what he did (unless my memory is off and this is like 5 minutes before deadline, I was watching the warcraft movie so I caught up on things later) is because he is a) too lazy to fight back because he's mafia and b) he hoped to draw out a counterclaim. In fact, the correct play as a blue if you're about to get lynched on day 1 is to suck it up and get lynched because you suck and deserve it. well maybe not, but really that is how things should go down. | ||
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On June 10 2016 18:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Like it doesn't even make sense if I'm the roleblocker, because if Artanis is mafia and we lynch Damdred instead, we're lynching the last power role that town has - there's literally no point in even trying to save the roleblocker with a play like this. So he sacs himself to what - buy me days that I'm already voting myself using? Damdred is taking you boys on a fucking ride. I hope you buckled your seatbelts.... yes, all three mafia are goons at this point (assuming there's not some clusterfuckery going on where neither damdred or artanis is the tracker). No single mafia is important than the other. | ||
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Koshi smart | ||
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So yes, Artanis just made a play that he would only ever do as town. | ||
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On June 10 2016 18:47 Koshi wrote: Now I need to read the game in that perspective because I was pretty convinced Damdred was town. maybe, just maybe, the simple solution is that I was, once again, right on day 1. | ||
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we should arrange a game at some point yes. | ||
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yes but I was first and had better arguments. | ||
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On June 10 2016 20:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also Damdred is mafia since he didn't get emotional at all after getting a confirmed mafia from his perspective. He just started flailing like a mafia whose only lifeline had just been cut off, with the whole "Kels wouldn't have time to submit a track" as highlight. He had 3 pages of filter, I'm sure he had time to send in a single PM at some point during the night. I sort of want to emphasize this point. In what universe is it a reasonable defense to claim that Kelsier didn't have time to send in check when he posted during the night. It's literally 4 clicks, followed by typing two words, followed by a single click, once you've opened the tl webpage. The fact Damdred thinks this is a thing and of all the things he could've said to defend himself chose this, means he's even more ikely to be scum. | ||
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On June 10 2016 21:57 Koshi wrote: I want to lynch VE. And if he is town. I will 100% follow his reads and lynch into the LS/Rels/Damdred bullshit that I will never believe in a million years but I will follow him and lynch within that. But I don't believe this shit cc. I don't really think VE is mafia He could be, and I wouldn't put my neck out to defend him, but I just feel like he might not be. | ||
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On June 10 2016 22:08 Koshi wrote: Can VE be total shit? And with that I mean can he be completely wrong and siding with mafia as town? Have you ever seen that? Same for Palmar? Can Palmar be completely wrong and siding with mafia as town? Have you ever seen that? I love how the inevitable conclusion to this is that no, it's actually Koshi who is mafia siding. | ||
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On June 11 2016 01:45 Koshi wrote: my mind is made up. gl hf. cya at lynch. That's good, then I can just oppose you and be always right. | ||
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On June 12 2016 05:39 Damdred wrote: No you lynch rels as hes the most scummy with how he handled today+how he handled d1 vote. VE could be a setup and he could be town art is going to make us lynch myself and VE before we get to scum. So Scummy rels first. i like how mafia is encouraging us to lynch mafia Good distancing, you're doing a fantastic job. | ||
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On June 10 2016 12:37 Damdred wrote: And like Kel doesn't have time to play or vote or do anything during the night but has time to put a track in? Anyway, if I'm somehow wrong, this is the post you should never have made Damdred. This is such massive complete bullshit of a reason to try to cast shade on someone. I would always, always, always lynch you for this. | ||
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100% scum | ||
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On June 12 2016 06:12 LightningStrike wrote: Bitch please if I was scum I would of been on his wagon from the very start as I was around but instead I was trying evaluate their claims and gave my opinions and thoughts but only went onto Damdred a 2nd time because no one wanted to listen to me. I voted lex again in hopes that would ignite people to come join me............. conveniently right, got it | ||
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He is actually good at the game. There is no way he would not know I'm town by this point. He should be townreading me and he isn't. | ||
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I'm still #1 | ||
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Rels is 100% mafia. He gave himself away day 1 with his bullshit jump on kwah's post. VE is more meh. I'm going to re-read him, and I'm probably not going to actually defend him at any point but there's not real reason I want to vote him right now. | ||
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On June 08 2016 23:41 Palmar wrote: In hindsight (I was re-reading this now) maybe shapelog is more mafia than rels for that kwah introduction post thing. Two people jumped this guy for making a fairly vanilla introduction post. If kwah is mafia that is not why he is mafia. On one hand shapelog looks worse because apparently he was setting up a trap? or something? for kwah (which is double dumb because traps are dumb, and traps for people who are new and might do whatever are even dumber). On the other hand it's easier to hold Rels accountable to not being bad in general, so him jumping that is kinda awful. This is the thing I wrote on day 1. | ||
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On June 08 2016 07:06 Rels wrote: ##Vote Kwahamot Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread. The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum. Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff. And this is the thing I'm talking about. There was nothing scummy or bad about kwah's post. | ||
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Jumping that post is reserved only for bad (shapelog) and scum (rels) | ||
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On June 12 2016 06:47 wherebugsgo wrote: can you answer my question about VE please? pulling reads out of you this game has been so painful that I'm starting to think you are scum. i did answer you | ||
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On June 12 2016 06:50 LightningStrike wrote: Bitch please Damdred is good at reading me and he said I was town and I now trying to take over his place. You been shit this game just follow me. damdred also admitted to barely having read the game didn't he? | ||
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##vote Artanis | ||
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I think LS has to be town for his failing at taunting artanis. I don't think he can fake that. | ||
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This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1: On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote: Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all! Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker. Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours. This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this. 1) Hello Everyone! 2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads* 3) explains townreads It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy. On June 08 2016 07:06 Rels wrote: ##Vote Kwahamot Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread. The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum. Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff. In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack. This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit. Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them! Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off. Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him. | ||
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Yes, sometimes I'm more active and sometimes I'm less active. Sometimes I'm more right and sometimes I'm less right. The point isn't WHAT I do it's HOW I do it. If you think I have been wrong for scummy reasons, then by all means, enjoy your bads and call me mafia. But simply calling me mafia for being wrong makes the game basically unplayable for me. | ||
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On June 13 2016 19:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't even know what you're talking about with regard to LS. Artanis is not salty at the moment. In fact, he's probably laughing his ass off at our incompetence (tbh, no regrets, damdred should've played better). LS keeps posting salt, as if that's a thing. This means LS has no idea how Artanis actually feels about the state of game (which, I imagine is essentially gleeful). If LS is reading Artanis gloating in the QT or whatever, he doesn't think of posting salt. This means LS is less likely to be scum. And tbh, we don't have that many mislynches left. Town seems intent on making me one, and if you're town VE, another one. | ||
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On June 13 2016 20:47 Rels wrote: You cannot believe this. So you're scum. (= This is exactly how I find scum, by pressuring the hell out of my target.. Since the newbie's reaction was bad and he went AFK after that he was scum. But actually he was scummy town. You pressure people for reasonable reasons when you're town You pressure peopl for unreasonable reasons when you're mafia It's not the "what" it's the "how"  this will be fun. | ||
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On June 13 2016 21:06 sicklucker wrote: Im acually so mad at this game right now tho. And we probably have to wait a week untilll anything happens because were probably sleeping. And then we have to get fucking 2 mafia inarow without any towns voting wrong. Which is acualy fucking impossible since you all have different fucking mafia reads. Mafias in a spot where they can just bus and win every single time too. Woudlnt even shock me if its like rels/palmar or ls/ve A good start would be to agree with me. | ||
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On June 13 2016 21:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar, what's your read on Chezinu? Essentially, nothing. I think it's kind of off that he thinks I may possibly be mafia, but maybe he's no better than the rest you so who knows. I am terrible at reading weird people in general, so I usually don't try. Like if I'm going to lynch Chez ever this game, it's probably going to be on poe. | ||
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Evidence suggests otherwise | ||
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On June 13 2016 21:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So who are you guys cheering for, Spain or Czech Republic? Don't care it's Iceland time tomorrow | ||
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On June 13 2016 21:40 VisceraEyes wrote: But he's done things. I hate that you don't have a read because it makes me think you're mafia even though I think you're town. You should know me well enough to know that I usually don't try to figure out the "trolly" players. (Slam, Chez etc) | ||
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I will have very limited quality internet time until sunday. Which is fine because if I survive the night I am going to park my vote on rels. Please, please, please read my case if I die. I am 100% certain this makes him mafia every time. | ||
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No regrets. Will not be around at lynch time. | ||
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I'll answer any questions tomorrow. Please do not throw the game because you're afraid I might be scum for not posting too much (which is NOT something that makes me mafia, I generally post more as the game progresses as mafia). | ||
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On June 20 2016 08:39 Tumblewood wrote: Palmar, fill in the blanks (I assume your first scum is still Rels): I think _____ is the second mafia because _____. I am uncertain. Hold a gun to my head right now and I'll just say VE because maybe I'm wrong and bad. Also he went from not really wanting to kill me on day... 2? to wanting to kill me, with no reasons other than activity that I can tell, but I'm not entirely up to date. | ||
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On June 20 2016 07:45 sicklucker wrote: no one even considered lynching him tho. the fact your saying people scum read him is a rels mafia lie sicklucker catches Rels bullshitting and still thinks it's a good idea to lynch me. | ||
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If we're losing the game I'm going down voting mafia. | ||
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On June 20 2016 18:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm here Palmar and I want to kill you. Change my mind if you can. Maybe take your vote off me and put it on Rels? | ||
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On June 20 2016 02:04 sicklucker wrote: Thats the second weird ass I wont defend him post. not even sure if it means something It's a completely reasonable stance to take to say "I don't really think x sounds like mafia but I'm not going to defend him". The most common reason for doing that is when you have no idea and little information on someone but yet don't remember them doing anything overtly scummy. In fact, it should in theory mean I'm more towny because I'm hedging my bets (ie: I'm not risking calling mafia town so I can still claim to be #1 player). | ||
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On June 20 2016 18:42 Rels wrote: Bro if you're town you're making it impossible for me to townread you for your stupid tunnel on me. And apart from that and shitting on Damdred you've done nothing this game. I don't expect you to townread me. There is no way you're town this game. I didn't shit on Damdred more than he deserved. It is atrocious play to claim your blue role on day 1, no matter how you look at it. | ||
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Or you, we'll see. | ||
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On June 20 2016 18:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I think this is implying that I'm mafia. That's hilarious. Is there another solution to the game? Convince me sl or tumble is mafia? | ||
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On June 20 2016 18:50 VisceraEyes wrote: I've given reasons for thinking what I do. You're just saying that's your solution. I'm trying to figure it out, you're just claiming it's all figured out. One of those is town and one is mafia. It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out which is which LAWL. No my solution is literally "Rels is mafia" and then... "VE is maybe mafia because PoE? maybe because I'm bad and lots of dead people called him scum"? I don't actively know you're mafia. Which is why I would never argue for your lynch today. To me the lynch is 100% clear and should always and only be rels. There is no way, absolutely no way, he is town this game. There is a chance I'm wrong on sl or tumble. Both feel like people I've somewhat ignored throughout the game but I recall them both doing fairly towny things at some points (I think they both have done tinfoil theories that sounded townie, at least sicklucker did one regarding the claims). | ||
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On June 20 2016 18:51 Rels wrote: Yeah you're good at tryharding when it matters as scum. But if I'm ever lynched before you this game the rest of the town is the most retarded ever. In this post Rels hedges the town against lynching him because of the risk of being "most retarded ever". I'm sure no one will now risk lynching you, people wouldn't want to be "most retarded ever". | ||
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There's 2 townies in the following group: VE, SL, Tumble. Those two townies need to take a real hard long look at why they want to lynch me. It's a bit frustrating that neither sl nor tumble have been here at all (although who am I to say, I went afk for a few days). If I have done anything objectively scummy, please tell me so I can explain. For the most part it almost seems like people want to lynch me for being alive lategame (given my early game reads that shouldn't be a surprise) and for being afk (something I never, ever lie about as either alignment. 17th of june is icelandic national holiday, I went out to the country for 4 days with the family). Neither of these make me mafia. In fact you should read the case I wrote on Rels some more until you actually get it into your thick heads that there is a reason I've been pushing it since day 1. This is literally the first day since day 1 that isn't basically autolynch, so please stop the badness, think of the children. | ||
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On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote: I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand. This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1: This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this. 1) Hello Everyone! 2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads* 3) explains townreads It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy. In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack. This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit. Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them! Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off. Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him. On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote: I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand. This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1: This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this. 1) Hello Everyone! 2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads* 3) explains townreads It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy. In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack. This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit. Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them! Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off. Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him. On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote: I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand. This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1: This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this. 1) Hello Everyone! 2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads* 3) explains townreads It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy. In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack. This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit. Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them! Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off. Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him. On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote: I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand. This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1: This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this. 1) Hello Everyone! 2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads* 3) explains townreads It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy. In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack. This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit. Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them! Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off. Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him. On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote: I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand. This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1: This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this. 1) Hello Everyone! 2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads* 3) explains townreads It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy. In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack. This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit. Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them! Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off. Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him. On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote: I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand. This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1: This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this. 1) Hello Everyone! 2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads* 3) explains townreads It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy. In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack. This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit. Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them! Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off. Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him. On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote: I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand. This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1: This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this. 1) Hello Everyone! 2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads* 3) explains townreads It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy. In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack. This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit. Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them! Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off. Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him. On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote: I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand. This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1: This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this. 1) Hello Everyone! 2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads* 3) explains townreads It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy. In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack. This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit. Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them! Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off. Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him. On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote: I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand. This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1: This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this. 1) Hello Everyone! 2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads* 3) explains townreads It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy. In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack. This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit. Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them! Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off. Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him. On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote: I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand. This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1: This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this. 1) Hello Everyone! 2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads* 3) explains townreads It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy. In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack. This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit. Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them! Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off. Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him. On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote: I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand. This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1: This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this. 1) Hello Everyone! 2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads* 3) explains townreads It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy. In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack. This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit. Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them! Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off. Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him. | ||
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On June 21 2016 00:23 Rels wrote: Posting a case that doesn't make me scum 10 times don't make me scum more no scum is a binary thing and you're 1 | ||
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On June 21 2016 02:50 Rels wrote: So basically Tumble's reads didn't evolve from the beginning of the game. Apart from that time where Damdred was lynched of course. This is a scum tell mine didn't really evolve either, but I guess that makes me mafia too doesn't it? | ||
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On June 21 2016 03:02 Rels wrote: Yep. Especially given your playstyle. If you're town you really were tunneled this game I am always tunneled as town | ||
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"Look guys how unafraid I am of being lynched. I'm even being crass to the people I need to convince!!!!" | ||
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On June 21 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote: sl you should vote rels instead of palmar ve/palmar team 99% of the time doesn't exist and it eliminates the possibility of the me/you/rels lylo (though anyone/palmar/ve lylo is scarier) I agree with the sl not voting me thing. Not voting me reduces the risk of losing this game by about 100% | ||
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On June 21 2016 03:38 sicklucker wrote: shit my computes fucked still. Everything just slows to a crawl and wont load after a few minutes on the boot. I was able to get this tab working before tha happened. any experts know how to find the error. Already ran system restore Not the kind of thing people can troubleshoot over text on internet. Make sure airflow/temps are down and try to run a livecd if that's ok | ||
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On June 21 2016 03:41 sicklucker wrote: tumble like consider my vote in the air. Ive been suspect of rels the whole game. I see a rels/ve world for sure. I was wrong about palmar last game (you were also in it) so I am keeping that in consideration I should probably reread that game If I am mafia. Why do you think I am mafia? | ||
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On June 21 2016 03:42 sicklucker wrote: plummer stop being an aragant shit can and give me fresh ideas There are no fresh ideas. There is only killing Rels. | ||
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On June 21 2016 03:45 Rels wrote: Then why are you not OK killing Palmar ? You said all these things about Palmar being scum and VE being town. I think it's the "killing Pálmar loses he game" thing he's worried about | ||
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On June 21 2016 03:47 Tumblewood wrote: palmar stop being a dumbface and tell me about ve here, I'll even create a fill-in-the-blanks for you: Hi! My name is Palmar. My favorite hobbies include kicking puppies and not playing mafia, but today I want to tell you about a player named VisceraEyes. He is _____ this game because _______________. VE is most likely scum out of the other three but I cannot prove it. The scummiest thing I remember him doing this game is the gradual shift from me being towny to "obvious mafia" while I provided very little information in the meantime. He has played with me for 5 years so he knows me being afk is irrelevant to my alignment because I never lie about real life/being afk. | ||
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On June 21 2016 04:20 sicklucker wrote: palmar if I fucked my hardrive by hitting it would it not still be slow in safemode? Hard drives generally either work or don't. They're usually not a cause for slowness | ||
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On June 21 2016 04:10 Rels wrote: On this graceful words I'm away watching GOT with my GF. I will watch what you all say behind my back with my phone though Casual tbh I'm not watching until after the deadline | ||
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Thanks bro. That's the towniest thing you've done all game | ||
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#1 is koshi who failed to argue his pint in which he was correct about the claims and then cost us a mislynch by being modkilled. Possibly worst town play of the year. #2 damdred for claiming his blue role on day 1 and still getting mislynchef. If I had a blue role to fall back on id never be mislynched. | ||
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Sl you never answered. Your vote is on me why do you think I'm mafia and why do you think my case one Rels is invalid? | ||
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On June 21 2016 04:50 sicklucker wrote: Like I think individually rels has been more scummy but your inactivity has just made your more likely to be with more people in my mind. Maybe im wrong on you like im still not decided but im certainly not lynching tumble today Yes that's not a good reason to lynch me. You lynch the scummiest player today NO MATTER WHAT. If you kill me the game is lost right here. | ||
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Like jesus sicklucker you need to get your head out of your ass. You're literally not voting the guy who by your own admission is more likely to flip mafia because of some wifom about possible teams? please don't throw the game. | ||
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On June 21 2016 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Like if any of the townies AREN'T voting with me then we lose. Period. That's where we're at and that's ALL Palmar and TW want to accomplish. One vote, off Palmar. Don't give it to them. yeah fuck it this guy is the other mafia, calling it now. | ||
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On June 21 2016 05:50 sicklucker wrote: some prove of his partner would be cool. like I can totally see both of you being a team infact I half expect it THEN KILL HIM FIRST. That at least gives me some time to convince you that you're wrong and bad. | ||
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On June 21 2016 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes if Palmar is Mafia then I'm obviously looking long and hard at Tumble tomorrow, being the person pushing the hardest for a non-Palmar lynch today. this fictional tomorrow thing you speak of will not exist. But meh remember, Koshi lost this game. | ||
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On June 21 2016 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Why? For calling for consolidation 10 minutes to deadline? You're ridiculous LMAO Does it matter? Main thing is I intend to yell at sicklucker for being bad after the game ends. This is just so I can claim I knew the scumteam. | ||
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On June 21 2016 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes if Palmar is Mafia then I'm obviously looking long and hard at Tumble tomorrow, being the person pushing the hardest for a non-Palmar lynch today. This is such bullshit. It's not about looking long and hard. If I was mafia tumble would HAVE to be my partner because any other partner (rels, you, sl) would be able to swing the vote here. Which clearly fucking means I am not mafia or I am mafia with Tumble. AKA I AM NOT MAFIA. | ||
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Highfive Artanis and SL! | ||
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On June 21 2016 06:02 sicklucker wrote: phew im glad that stupid dog was found so I could hammer your diatribe about hardware problems and lost dogs was pretty golden | ||
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On June 21 2016 06:22 VisceraEyes wrote: gg bbyz. Sorry about the modkill bullshit, but I honestly can't handle that shit anymore and would have gladly eaten the modkill. I 100% agreed with you on that VE, you were completely right. | ||
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We also had a pretty strong day 1, we were very much active participants in the day 1 wagons. In general, it was a very good example of a "role based" mafia strategy, where every member of the team does whatever he needs to do to work towards a common goal. Organized and well played guys, it was very enjoyable. | ||
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On June 21 2016 07:14 Koshi wrote: Well I am very sorry about that modkill that lost town a ml but townies being full retarded also lost us a ml and knowing Palmar was still not lynched made it unsalvable anyway. I'll eat the ban and probably be calmer next games till I can't take it anymore. Good job on FF for the modkill. It was correct. Good hosting. Koshi, ignore all the trolling I did in game, it was mostly for strategical purposes (calling you bad after your death). You really, really need to learn to adjust your tone and message. You have three objectives as town and you're probably the best player on TL Mafia at one of them (not getting lynched), and you're definitely good at the second one (finding mafia, excellent job this game). But you truly suck at the third pillar of good town play which is convincing town organize around your ideas and do as you say. I know it's super tempting to just blame it on "well they're bad, they should listen to me", but this is the most underrated skill in mafia. No one just comes in and has immediate sway over the way people play, it takes time and it takes touch. You have to read every single player to understand what arguments or encouragements they might respond to. Some people you have to abuse, others you have to hold their hand while they get there. And yes, I know it's a bit hypocritical for me to talk about this because by now leading town comes very effortlessly to me, I'm playing behind a "big name" and people in general are going to pay attention to what I say, but that hasn't always been the case. It's both the hardest skill to appreciate and the hardest skill to master. I'm sounding all lecture-y here, so sorry about that, but it's been my agenda for years to help people understand and remember this very important part of playing this game. | ||
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