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Skynx
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Jealous
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On June 10 2016 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote: If a blue claims and nobody counterclaims we can't know if it's a real claim until a second blue claims. If two blues claim and nobody counterclaims (either with a third blue role or the same as one of the claimers) we can assume that both blue roles are town eliminating two people from the lynch pool and effectively controlling the nightkills from mafia. Claim wars is when mafia decides to risk counterclaiming with hopes of getting the blue role(s) lynched first. In the situation we are in it is fairly likely mafia will try to counter in this way as a failed counterclaim(mafia claimer is lynched) mafia still has two members. That being said I think mafia has been sitting pretty all game and we need to start looking into people who seem towny. Why would two people claiming be any less suspect than one person claiming? They could both be lying. Say PR1 claims, PR2 claims, but PR1 actually belongs to someone else. Then "claim wars" start where the actual PR1 claimed after the fake PR1 and how would we know the difference? There is no tangible way, as far as I see it. I almost want to say that it is a ploy by Superbia and EC to expose the influential PRs, because scum would be the only ones that know whether or not the person claiming is scum or not and thus would be much more valuable information to them than the town. However, I will wait to hear a more detailed explanation from Superbia and EC. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Skynx
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On June 10 2016 04:09 Jealous wrote: Why would two people claiming be any less suspect than one person claiming? They could both be lying. Say PR1 claims, PR2 claims, but PR1 actually belongs to someone else. Then "claim wars" start where the actual PR1 claimed after the fake PR1 and how would we know the difference? There is no tangible way, as far as I see it. I almost want to say that it is a ploy by Superbia and EC to expose the influential PRs, because scum would be the only ones that know whether or not the person claiming is scum or not and thus would be much more valuable information to them than the town. However, I will wait to hear a more detailed explanation from Superbia and EC. I agree with this, how is claiming blue beneficial to town? Let's say actual cop claims and 1 scum claims cop as well now mafia has a nk target. If that person was lying then the actual cop now has to suspect of another person which is actually town lol Also vet should never claim he doesn't get anything out of it other than having RB'd ez pz. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Jealous
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On June 10 2016 04:16 emperorchampion wrote: If we are going to do this blue claim thing can we clarify how the role setup works, how I understand is that there are 2 blues: 1 is doctor/vet and 1 is cop/vig? Uh, so far I see absolutely no reason that we are going to do this. I mean, PRs can do what they want, but I have seen no argument that this isn't just a wholly retarded idea. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Superbia
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On June 10 2016 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote: If a blue claims and nobody counterclaims we can't know if it's a real claim until a second blue claims. If two blues claim and nobody counterclaims (either with a third blue role or the same as one of the claimers) we can assume that both blue roles are town eliminating two people from the lynch pool and effectively controlling the nightkills from mafia. Claim wars is when mafia decides to risk counterclaiming with hopes of getting the blue role(s) lynched first. In the situation we are in it is fairly likely mafia will try to counter in this way as a failed counterclaim(mafia claimer is lynched) mafia still has two members. That being said I think mafia has been sitting pretty all game and we need to start looking into people who seem towny. If 3/4 possible roles claim there is no problem. That's why if only 1 role claims we know that there is a medic alive. | ||
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Superbia
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On June 10 2016 04:16 Skynx wrote: I agree with this, how is claiming blue beneficial to town? Let's say actual cop claims and 1 scum claims cop as well now mafia has a nk target. If that person was lying then the actual cop now has to suspect of another person which is actually town lol Also vet should never claim he doesn't get anything out of it other than having RB'd ez pz. If 2 people claim cop you know for a fact that one of them is scum, and you can figure it out from there. Much better than what we currently have. | ||
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Superbia
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Superbia
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On June 10 2016 04:09 Jealous wrote: Why would two people claiming be any less suspect than one person claiming? They could both be lying. Say PR1 claims, PR2 claims, but PR1 actually belongs to someone else. Then "claim wars" start where the actual PR1 claimed after the fake PR1 and how would we know the difference? There is no tangible way, as far as I see it. I almost want to say that it is a ploy by Superbia and EC to expose the influential PRs, because scum would be the only ones that know whether or not the person claiming is scum or not and thus would be much more valuable information to them than the town. However, I will wait to hear a more detailed explanation from Superbia and EC. Why are you grouping us together? | ||
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Superbia
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Jealous
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Jealous
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Because he defended your unsubstantiated proposition blindly. | ||
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Superbia
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On June 10 2016 04:58 Jealous wrote: Correct me if I misunderstood the OP - is there guaranteed 4 blue PRs in this game? I was under the impression that this wasn't true. 2. | ||
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Superbia
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Jealous
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Okay, I just misunderstood your 3/4 claim post. In this scenario, as Skynx said, why would Veteran reveal?? He has no actions that could benefit the town, and it would only doom him. | ||
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