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Can you confirm this:
On June 10 2016 04:16 emperorchampion wrote:
If we are going to do this blue claim thing can we clarify how the role setup works, how I understand is that there are 2 blues: 1 is doctor/vet and 1 is cop/vig?
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On June 10 2016 05:06 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:59 Superbia wrote:On June 10 2016 04:58 Jealous wrote:
Correct me if I misunderstood the OP - is there guaranteed 4 blue PRs in this game? I was under the impression that this wasn't true. 2. Okay, I just misunderstood your 3/4 claim post. In this scenario, as Skynx said, why would Veteran reveal?? He has no actions that could benefit the town, and it would only doom him.
It's a confirmed town.
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It's also the shittiest role to be around probably.
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Actually I think vigi should always shoot emperorchampion tonight.
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Mehh. blkcoffee just really needs to get nightkilled and flipped.
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Vigi can hold his shot but can be made useless with roleblocked, with sucks. I think shooting emperorchampion and claiming the next day is somewhat okay. I think not shooting (if mod confirms blkcoffee is not flipping tonight) is also fine.
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Turkey7150 Posts
On June 10 2016 04:53 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:16 Skynx wrote:On June 10 2016 04:09 Jealous wrote:On June 10 2016 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
If a blue claims and nobody counterclaims we can't know if it's a real claim until a second blue claims. If two blues claim and nobody counterclaims (either with a third blue role or the same as one of the claimers) we can assume that both blue roles are town eliminating two people from the lynch pool and effectively controlling the nightkills from mafia.
Claim wars is when mafia decides to risk counterclaiming with hopes of getting the blue role(s) lynched first. In the situation we are in it is fairly likely mafia will try to counter in this way as a failed counterclaim(mafia claimer is lynched) mafia still has two members.
That being said I think mafia has been sitting pretty all game and we need to start looking into people who seem towny. Why would two people claiming be any less suspect than one person claiming? They could both be lying. Say PR1 claims, PR2 claims, but PR1 actually belongs to someone else. Then "claim wars" start where the actual PR1 claimed after the fake PR1 and how would we know the difference? There is no tangible way, as far as I see it. I almost want to say that it is a ploy by Superbia and EC to expose the influential PRs, because scum would be the only ones that know whether or not the person claiming is scum or not and thus would be much more valuable information to them than the town. However, I will wait to hear a more detailed explanation from Superbia and EC. I agree with this, how is claiming blue beneficial to town? Let's say actual cop claims and 1 scum claims cop as well now mafia has a nk target. If that person was lying then the actual cop now has to suspect of another person which is actually town lol Also vet should never claim he doesn't get anything out of it other than having RB'd ez pz. If 2 people claim cop you know for a fact that one of them is scum, and you can figure it out from there. Much better than what we currently have.
Then that cop is dead the other night.
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But if mod confirms that blkcoffee is dying then shootshootshoot.
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On June 10 2016 05:11 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:53 Superbia wrote:On June 10 2016 04:16 Skynx wrote:On June 10 2016 04:09 Jealous wrote:On June 10 2016 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
If a blue claims and nobody counterclaims we can't know if it's a real claim until a second blue claims. If two blues claim and nobody counterclaims (either with a third blue role or the same as one of the claimers) we can assume that both blue roles are town eliminating two people from the lynch pool and effectively controlling the nightkills from mafia.
Claim wars is when mafia decides to risk counterclaiming with hopes of getting the blue role(s) lynched first. In the situation we are in it is fairly likely mafia will try to counter in this way as a failed counterclaim(mafia claimer is lynched) mafia still has two members.
That being said I think mafia has been sitting pretty all game and we need to start looking into people who seem towny. Why would two people claiming be any less suspect than one person claiming? They could both be lying. Say PR1 claims, PR2 claims, but PR1 actually belongs to someone else. Then "claim wars" start where the actual PR1 claimed after the fake PR1 and how would we know the difference? There is no tangible way, as far as I see it. I almost want to say that it is a ploy by Superbia and EC to expose the influential PRs, because scum would be the only ones that know whether or not the person claiming is scum or not and thus would be much more valuable information to them than the town. However, I will wait to hear a more detailed explanation from Superbia and EC. I agree with this, how is claiming blue beneficial to town? Let's say actual cop claims and 1 scum claims cop as well now mafia has a nk target. If that person was lying then the actual cop now has to suspect of another person which is actually town lol Also vet should never claim he doesn't get anything out of it other than having RB'd ez pz. If 2 people claim cop you know for a fact that one of them is scum, and you can figure it out from there. Much better than what we currently have. Then that cop is dead the other night.
So? We get 1 confirmed town and 2 checks.
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In a game that's 1 day away from mylo (scum always CCs in mylo) or even in mylo (where we need to lynch correctly).
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Actually I would maybe recommend that the cop outs his check 5seconds before EoN maybe even. Depends on how good his/her internet is.
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In these cases, as town, you need to consider when the information is most paramount and how many lynches you have left.
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Like I understand that there is a natural inclination to rely too much on PRs but at a certain point town just needs the info. PRs claiming gives us info (maybe one wagon was all town, or maybe that one big question mark turns out to be a PR). Something that we actually desperately need this game, considering the pace and general lack of direction (I partially take blame on this one, since I didn't have appropriate amount of time for this game, nor did I fully put in all of my time).
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Anyway I'm going to sleep. I will either elaborate more tomorrow or I will flip town tonight and you will know that what I said came from an experienced townie's respective.
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Turkey7150 Posts
Well I get your point, but how to deal with counter claims then if we can't be allowed a mislynch?
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Evaluate what they have done. See how they have voted. See what their actions were surrounding their roles. Does it add up?
If it is mylo tomorrow, just remember that scum will always have 3 votes. And town will have either 4 or 5. If even 1 person is not on the same page, scum can push over the wrong wagon at the last moment.
It will be paramount for town to be united.
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I would give thoughts/reads but I'm way behind. If I'm alive tomorrow I'll re-eval.
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