[M][N]A Wonderful Normal Game of Mafia

On April 29 2016 04:21 Mig wrote:
Without jat who is going to yell at me and tell me how bad I am?

On April 29 2016 05:14 scott31337 wrote:


I'll be happy to give him my spot just for you

On April 30 2016 05:45 scott31337 wrote:


I'll swap with you if you really want to play and I'll take the replace slot - I know there's a few peeps in here you'd like to play with.

On May 04 2016 00:14 marvellosity wrote:
jat's not posted?! he must be ill.

On May 04 2016 00:29 marvellosity wrote:

i said amuse

On May 04 2016 00:31 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
so you guys don't want to policy lynch palmar for not being here day 1?

On May 04 2016 00:42 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
For some reason marv/jat banter pisses me off.

On May 03 2016 19:59 Palmar wrote:
I'm genuinely afk yesterday/today. Working 16h shifts to get a branch office installed in an airport. I'll try to read the bare minimum though.

On May 04 2016 00:59 RiceyKins wrote:
I'm a smurf of somebody who hasn't played in a few years so yes I am a smurf.

On May 04 2016 04:44 Killing wrote:
Well since I've played all my games over video, the majority of my read come from context over content. So basically how people say shit over what they are saying. Just put people on a range of what I think they are more likely to say when being town vs more likely to say as either alignment vs more likely to say as mafia.

Shape started off awkward and then when I just said I don't like him, he just came back at me which is fine and everything. The awkwardness I just read as mafia but he could just be an awkward human being. Obviously I don't know how he really is so I default that to scummy. The coming back to me felt super taunt-y which I find is a very common pattern amongst mafia for whatever reason. I honestly don't understand it but whenever a player gives me a "bring it on", it makes me heavily lean them towards mafia because it's just a pattern i've picked up on over my 1000 games. Not to be confused with just regular taunting i.e. someone said "call me mafia for no reason". They are different for no other reason than just my observations over many many games.

Ricey feels weak and just un-conflicting (can't remember the word). When I say weak, i mean they just don't want to cause any problems. I don't give a fuck as either alignment but some people I feel do. He said sorry. Who says sorry in a game of mafia rofl. That's kinda just my feel for the brief amount i've read. I don't really re-read posts. Obv, he could just be a weak personality type and this is null but again, it's just a trend i've picked up on from my games.

On May 04 2016 10:31 Fazers wrote:
To address your questions:

I want to lynch Killing possibly, he's making a bit of noise. I guess activity is pretty good early on to form
initiative, but a lot of bold accusations imo.

I don't care about people who are inactive in this game so far. It's been a little quiet.

I have a strong opinion about Shapelog - imo he's a strong player from my observations. Thus I will not vote to lynch him on Day 1. However, that may change as days pass.

On May 04 2016 13:37 Etellex wrote:
I'm not posting because I've been incompetent. I've not been sure what or when to post because I'm not familiar with this particular format of mafia.

On May 04 2016 14:45 RiceyKins wrote:
Mig hasn't said a word since the game started where Dr.P has said one thing and hasn't come back. If the discussion is about which inactive player we believe should be lynched I'll go with Dr.P because he's clearly been here and made a decision not to continue but Mig is a ? and I can deal with waiting to see. It's not a great situation either way but if we're picking between the two I'd lynch Dr.P.

And yeah I think it looks rehearsed. 18 hours into the game where neither of you have shown up "Oh man JAT hasn't posted yet he must be sick!" 5 minutes later "Ha Ha oh Marv I just came back from the doctor cause I'm sick". If you don't think that's some oddly good timing and an insane coincidence idk Considering there's almost nothing else to mention about the two of you to this point yeah its suspect. You also don't have to be lying about coming back from the doctor, it's very possible Marv knew and just waited for you to be around to put on a show.

On May 04 2016 14:52 Alakaslam wrote:

Nah. It didn't actually do anything as it was largely ignored since it was always only half serious to begin with.

Glad there are fewer postings this game. Not gonna ruin it any further with my usual behaviour behavior.

Welcome the Saitama.

On May 04 2016 15:00 RiceyKins wrote:
It gets way too WIFOM if I try to base everything on that JAT, and as I said you're still Null imo it just didn't look right and it's the only thing that's even worth mentioning about you so far. Although tbh you didn't seem to find it "so funny" either which is also why I found the whole thing kind of odd.

On May 04 2016 15:16 Tubesock wrote:
headed out for drinks and dinner. Will be back in a few hours. In the mean time:

Towns:

Kush
Shape
Slam
Marvish
Ricey
jat

If I were to pick who to lynch of the "actives" as it were I'd take time deciding between killing and Fazer. I didnt' really like their answers but they are actually closer to null than anything. You can probably infer what I didn't like about them by some of the questions I directed at them.

for the inactives I'd lynch in this orderish

Dr Thrawn
Etellex
Mig (modkill though?)
Palmar

On May 04 2016 15:17 Tubesock wrote:


I posted that before I saw you're Etellex vote. I was unsure if you were actually goign to do anything. I'm happy with your last few posts.

On May 04 2016 15:35 Alakaslam wrote:

This should tell you more. Not sure if just getting there first or not seeing it...

On May 04 2016 15:37 Alakaslam wrote:

Yes. Indirectly enough though- I apologize.

Do you glean more than you are saying here or no?

On May 04 2016 20:48 marvellosity wrote:

I don't like this very much, Slam.

This may be because I have close and recent personal experience of my other half struggling in exactly the same fashion.I thought (weakly) when I read Etellex's first post that it indicated town. While town doesn't know at all what to look for, mafia doesn't have to know what to look for, and can always find something, anything, suspicious because it doesn't actually matter what

On May 04 2016 14:55 Alakaslam wrote:

I can understand and empathize with this.

On May 04 2016 20:52 marvellosity wrote:
i dunno about Riceykins. His point about you (jat) and me is ridiculous. But if he's a smurf who has a vague idea of who we are (and i guess especially me because i've been around longer) it's kinda a bold play to try to implicate 2 influential players with something so thin.

On May 04 2016 20:55 marvellosity wrote:

yes. but you have to go back 4+ years to not be familiar with mine

On May 04 2016 21:02 marvellosity wrote:
all the players i signed up to play with aren't playing

this makes me sad as i'm not playing so much anymore

On May 04 2016 21:04 Tubesock wrote:
I think you guys are being over dramatic about his scumming you. He said you're both nulls and thought the coincidence was strange.

I don't get why it matters if he knows your reputations or not.

He'd know you're both good players, maybe he doesn't know you enough to know you don't do crazy shit. You're good enough to do crazy shit though. And even then if he hasn't played in awhile then he woldn't know if you could do crazy shit or not.

Why is this such a big deal?

On May 04 2016 20:39 Tubesock wrote:
To be fair, there isn't a single player in this game that has done anything that a mafia version of them couldn't do. Shape did 1 thing I thought was furthering town (pushed Fazer). I liked a couple of Ricer's posts. + Show Spoiler [2 posts I liked from Ricey] +

jat, so do you think Marv is town? I mean whatever you want to call it since you don't like giving away townreads. And by your disbelief should I infer you think Shape and/or Ricer is mafia?

On May 04 2016 21:20 Tubesock wrote:


Do you see a mafia one?

On May 04 2016 21:32 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


May I explain it?
Mafia hard it hard to interact with each other. They know each other are scummy but don't want to lynch each other.
So by forcing yourself to have a natural conversation, you are making your interactions not look like s/s.

On May 04 2016 21:36 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


You are missing Ricey's point I think. It's not the coincidence that you were there at the same time as much as the banter itself. Which felt forced and awkward to him (and annoying to me).

On May 04 2016 21:38 marvellosity wrote:

also his point was very much the timing, you just have to read his posts.

On May 04 2016 21:45 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
yeah he said marv waited around for jat to come back. okok
but you could have planned it out in the qt and been like "hehe let's do our little banter then if one of us flips scum the other can argue that they are town by banter connections"

On May 04 2016 21:46 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
marv, I think that's exactly what ricey was imagining in his firt post. and in the second post he backtracked a little to say it was more about the tone of the conversation rather than the coincidence?

On May 04 2016 21:49 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


eh not exactly but whatever.
still read as inexperienced townie.

@jat. I think that qt thing is possible. And I can understand a paranoid newbie going there.

On May 04 2016 21:50 marvellosity wrote:

it's kinda funny, this. because even though i don't really think kush is mafia, the more he defends riceykins terribly, the more inclined i am to scumread riceykins.

which isn't really great logical sense, but when i disagree with kush i'm usually on the right track

On May 04 2016 21:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
i'd bet he's an inexperienced player's smurf

On May 04 2016 21:56 Shapelog wrote:
I think Jat suggested looking at guides. I would recommend the newbie XXX analyzation done by ver (it is stickied. So clicked on the subsection for TL mafia and it should be near the top) That will walk you threw things.

On May 04 2016 22:06 RiceyKins wrote:
Hahaha the thing is Kush is completely right. I've got like 4 games played and 2 of them were newbie games with him.

That aside I was looking through filters saw Marv and JAT hadn't done jack all and figured I could pull them into the game a little bit more if I egged them on (as you are two of the names I recognize and somewhat understand to be good at this) but they had done absolutely nothing at that point aside from Marv not understanding a question mark's placement. So I went after the timing on you two both joining the game and your clairvoyance.

As for your earlier question Marv I liked Shape's posts because he was at least trying at that point or seemed to be to get people into the game.

As for knowing how you and JAT play. No clue. I recognize names but aside from Slam and Kush I've got no idea how anybody plays. Even them I have no recent knowledge but it seems fairly familiar lol

On May 04 2016 22:18 Shapelog wrote:
Wait why did the smurf reveal himself?

On May 04 2016 22:55 Fazers wrote:
I am suspect of Killing but have no good reasons to confirm my suspicion he is scum. Id rather him alive than an inactive who hasnt made even one post


..

Its hard for me to care.about inactives when they have made no contributions. I didnt mean to say I dont care about inactives such that I would not kill them. That was poor wording on my part. Sorry!

On May 04 2016 23:02 Fazers wrote:

All I said in my previous post was that he is pointing fingers for useless reasons.

Is that so hard to understand?

On May 04 2016 23:16 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
ya leave poor fazers alone you guys.

On May 04 2016 23:33 Alakaslam wrote:





I will rehash


I am back, did it work? Did he post?

JAT I wanted you to glean that I think Tubesock is scum. Marv apparently saw this immediately.

On May 04 2016 23:50 Alakaslam wrote:

I'm down and glad to see you saw it.

Tube was fabricating a townread on me way too early, and was way eager to vote my pressure vote. Pressure votes are best left alone.

##Unvote
##Vote: Tubesock

On May 04 2016 23:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@JAT, have you feelings changed regarding Palmar?
I ask because you were basing your palmar policy on him being active today.

On May 05 2016 00:06 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


If this level of absolutely minimal activity continues, at what point will you want to lynch him?

On May 05 2016 00:11 Alakaslam wrote:
LOL I am driving and those are song lyrics interposed in my post

On May 05 2016 00:18 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


Of course he's not lying. But there's always the modkill/replacement factor for the other people. Palmar is the only inactive with stated intent to avoid the modkill.

Who are you leaning towards right now?
Do you agree we need consolidation soon? Claims are very powerful in this setup and we should never lynch them uncced.

On May 05 2016 00:22 Alakaslam wrote:

Tubesock. He has tmi or is way too open to townreading at the very least me. He has been pretty eager to follow the fist vote but that part admittedly could come from town. Coupled with the TMI behavior however I conclude he is scum.

On May 05 2016 00:28 Alakaslam wrote:

Did tube scumread Marv?

On May 04 2016 22:04 Tubesock wrote:


Go ahead.

You've wasted how many pages talking about this thing that you already said you're not gunning for Ricey. You have not scum hunted at all. The one thing you did was ask about a question mark. Even that you said you thought he was town before and after.

On May 05 2016 00:34 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
jat just because you are afraid of marv don't assume everyone else is.

On May 05 2016 00:52 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
palmar plynch lookin better and better, amirite?

On May 05 2016 01:12 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
I said this before jat.

Palmer has stated his intent to vote. That saves him from a potential modkill or replacement.
Whereas Drp is probably going to get replaced.

On May 05 2016 01:14 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
The policy is not lynch people who lie about irl. The policy is lynch people who are unreadable due to lack of content.

On May 05 2016 01:23 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


Who is more likely to get replaced, either tomorrow of eventually? DrP or Palmar?
Dr P. That's why Palmar makes a better plynch.

"Nothing stops them from voting/posting eod"
No but it would make them look scummy if they were afk except to put down a vote, so scum don't tend to do that.

On May 05 2016 01:26 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
It's the reality of the situation. You can play in an idealized JATland but I play in the real world.

On May 05 2016 01:27 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
wahtever i dont want to argue about this with you. I do want to consolidate on someone sensible so we can maximize our chances to get a claim.

On May 05 2016 01:34 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

well that's separate matter.
ideally we lynch someone afk who shows up before eod to claim.

On May 05 2016 01:38 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

lynching someone who is going to be a potential mislynch down the line is more important than getting a claim.
so I see it as just one priority outweighing the other.

On May 05 2016 02:05 Shapelog wrote:

Eh,
I currently waiting for the folks called Mig and E-guy to post.

Dr.P is a crapshoot, yet I wouldn't mind getting rid of a lurker.

I want to read Jat and Marvs filter a bit more, once I get home. But I doubt I vote for them.

On May 05 2016 02:35 Mig wrote:
quick thoughts

Kush, you have been the most active player in the game I assume you must have a scum read on someone? Policy lynching palmar is pointless.

JAT, your filter is 20% of the total game and I dont see you calling anyone a scum really? Seems weird for you. As a town I would expect you to be giving a stronger opinion on things. So far I don't really see any hard headed JAT opinions that I would expect from someone who cared about finding scum.

Marv lean town just based on his super weak defense of etellex. Guy wasnt under any pressure seemed pointless to defend him as mafia especially when it is just a feel defense and going to draw more attention to yourself. Especially if he is going to put 0 effort in just seems like a weird thing for him to even bother posting as mafia.

Riceykins/JAT odds of them both being mafia are super small. Hard to explain but attacking someone for having a rehearsed entrance is a really weird thing for mafia to go after each other for. I just dont remember ever seeing it that often, especially if riceykins is new.

Tubesock, entrance felt really weird to me. Overly forced/jokey. A lot of random questions to people with 0 follow up. And none of the questions seem to really impact his reads. Seems way more confident marv is scum but still voting etellex? I still have to read the nutcracker filter.

Fazers - Weird, his thinking is completely nonsensical. Doesnt appear to actually care about finding scum?


This is weird also, unnecessary buddying up when shape hasnt done anything.

Right now I would be fine lynching any of JAT/tube/faze. Probably JAT #1 unless he actually contributes something. Feels like JAT is around a lot but just commenting on the side as things go on and not actually doing anything. A lot of fake activity.

On May 05 2016 03:10 Mig wrote:
Lynching palmar is pointless really. What exactly do you learn from lynching him? Basically just an entire wasted day. At least force people to take stands and vote someone out who is posting.

On May 05 2016 03:24 Mig wrote:
So I have read tubesock's nutcracker and storm games.

So the questions going nowhere doesnt seem to be really alignment indicative, he did it in both games. But during his mafia game he was a lot quicker to give out his town reads.

Tube's first post as town in storm

+ Show Spoiler +

Immediately gives a scum read, lists town reads but they are secondary. He never really gives a town list again throughout the game. He also went by his own opinion and voted the guy he had a scum read on.

First post in nutcracker, immediately gives a town read and buddys up to someone. Notice he gives himself an opportunity to bandwagon his lynch target.

+ Show Spoiler +

He then follows up by following the bandwagon and voting rels with koshi. And later on making a large post listing his town reads

This game he immediately buddys up with kush, then buddys up to slam (putting slam on multiple town read/ no lynch lists why?) And then immediately hops on slams bandwagon and votes etellex (very similar to how he did in nutcracker as mafia) It appears his strongest mafia read is marv but he hasnt made any attempt to actually lynch him.

I am good with a tubesock lynch

##vote Tubesock

On May 05 2016 05:07 Mig wrote:
JAT I am not voting for you but you havent even voted yet and there is an hour to go. I expect you to be bulldogging someone. I dont really care if you have thrown out a couple opinions without doing anything to back them up

On May 05 2016 05:07 Mig wrote:
JAT I am not voting for you but you havent even voted yet and there is an hour to go. I expect you to be bulldogging someone. I dont really care if you have thrown out a couple opinions without doing anything to back them up

On May 05 2016 05:06 Mig wrote:
1 hour until lynch

Votes way too spread out right now, need to consolidate on a couple candidates. Kush nobody is going to lynch drp/palmar. Pick a real candidate to vote for if you are town.

What do people think of fazer?

On May 05 2016 05:14 Mig wrote:
so who are you voting for JAT?

On May 05 2016 05:16 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
k lynch tubesock if fazer is playing very similar to his town meta?

On May 05 2016 05:26 Tubesock wrote:
I'll vote Dr Thrawn, Etellex or Marv.

On May 05 2016 05:29 Tubesock wrote:
Fazer could be mafia. I really didn't like his "I just threw that out there" post. He's back pedalled on the majority of his reads. "I don't want to kill Killing just lynch him" or whomever it was. Then "oh no i meant I don't want to lynch him".

If he's town it's cause he's too scummy to be scum. That's literally his only defense.

On May 05 2016 05:32 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
nooo not thrrawn though

On May 05 2016 05:33 Shapelog wrote:

Actually, the list post (the one with the list of names, not the lynches or what not) kinda fits the bare bones of the first post. However, that wasn't his 1st post so bleh.

A course, Pretty minor, like you say.

So this kinda boils down onto buddying tactics. And comparing them to here and from scum games. Eh, Storm was crazy D1 (his post was after a dayvig shot, and kuru (my teammate) was hard tunneling Gum. If i was town, I prob. agree with Tube hardcore)

Going to database this shit.

damdred still hasn't add filters

On May 05 2016 05:36 Shapelog wrote:

No,
Not the team/coach WIFOM.

That was the bane of town during newbie XIX.

I mean yeah. they could of give him something or even pointed out let's say killing, told him to scum read him etc. and when it looks like killing won't be fallen off, off scum. Might explain some things about his play tbh but this is Tinfoil.

I feel like keeping him alive for further posts to read VS lynching him now would be better IMO.

On May 05 2016 05:43 Mig wrote:
Tube who do you think the mafia team is? Drp/marv/etellex? Isnt part of your reasoning for marv being mafia that he defended etellex when he shouldnt? Shouldnt you be pushing hard for etellex because if he flips mafia it helps your other read?

On May 05 2016 05:49 Etellex wrote:
I'm not too afraid to post, I just don't have any new information to present. Furthermore, I have a tight schedule and this is going to have to be my last post and thus I am forced to cast my vote now. I trust Mig's judgment and arguments. See you tomorrow.

##vote: tubesock

On May 05 2016 05:52 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
ill vote anyone to save Tubesock because i townread him now for reasons I cannot presently enumerate.

I would like to vote thrawn or etellex

On May 05 2016 05:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


it's like i would have to quote them and shit and a lot of them are kinda ehh but there's a lot of ehh reasons to build into a strong townread.
something like that.

On May 06 2016 05:51 Mig wrote:
Dont trust marv/JAT. Both of them being totally awol this night is a bad sign. Not proof or anything but in general I think mafia post less during the night than town. I know I have been guilty of this a lot as mafia, especially if I am feeling lazy I dont even read the thread some nights. Both are active players that I would expect to usually post some during the night. Combined with marv being worthless. And JAT being kind of meh.

I would expect at least one of marv/palmar/JAT (maybe 2 of them) to be mafia just to make the game fun unless damdred totally randomized the teams. But regardless 1/2 of them and then fill the team out with someone from the etellex/fazers/killing/ricey/slam group.

On May 06 2016 06:08 marvellosity wrote:
the fact i got shot kinda implicates Palmar and if my timings are right he should have been playing today and didn't

On May 06 2016 06:20 Mig wrote:
At the very least I think we can rule out like an entire scum team of some combo of etellex/killing/fazers/ricey. Marv shot would make 0 sense for them

I could see slam/JAT/palmar all thinking marv shot is good.

On May 06 2016 06:50 Palmar wrote:
yeah I'm not mafia because I would never shoot marv. To even suggest that is preposterous

On May 06 2016 06:51 Palmar wrote:
although the confirmed town marv status thing makes the game much easier to deal with.

On May 05 2016 20:03 Palmar wrote:
yeah he sort of does sometimes.

tbh, he hasn't replaced out so confirmed town.

On May 05 2016 20:04 Palmar wrote:
point is, he will either come back and some point and say something really smart or we'll run out of other people who look like mafia.

On May 06 2016 18:25 Palmar wrote:


-------> joke
JAT

On May 06 2016 18:26 marvellosity wrote:

i don't like that you needed mig to explain the obvious to you when i already explained how i couldn't possibly be fakeclaiming

please be a little more diligent in your reading

On May 06 2016 18:32 marvellosity wrote:

firstly, no i don't?

secondly, i've never no-shot and i never will

thirdly, it's still a nonsensical play in this situation as already explained and i don't go for nonsensical plays

On May 06 2016 18:35 Palmar wrote:
Like to be completely fair, my plan through most of day 1 was to sheep jat.

he's being mean now though so pls.

On May 06 2016 18:34 Palmar wrote:

As I said, I have been very much afk. I have barely read any people. I opened Etellex's filter yesterday because he seemded to be the alternative to the tubesock lynch.

What I'm currently, roughly, working with is something like this:

Townie
Marv. The shot claim can be instantly counterclaimed if there are blues that contradict the veteran claim. Thus he's got to be town.
Maybe town
JAT. I had him as my biggest townread early on day 1, mostly because he had a lot of activity and didn't sound off. But now he wants to kill me for making jokes that he didn't get, which is meh.
Mig, mostly for tryharding, I haven't gone back and actually read the case on tubesock, or his actual filter but still, sounds like he wants to do things.
Etellex, mostly for just not really sounding like mafia
null
kush. I don't know if his weird fascination with lynching me is just an excuse to actually do things.
Shapelog, not read his filter, just noticed that his preferred way of talking about things this game seems to be to randomly troll whatever conversation is going on. no idea if this is the correct impression or if it actually means anything.

On May 06 2016 18:43 Palmar wrote:
because I actually read some of their posts?

Btw skimmed some fazer filter and some killing filter. Fazer sounds ok, killing sounds less ok.

On May 06 2016 18:46 Palmar wrote:
you being a pain in the ass makes you less likely to be scum and more likely to be arbitarily punched in the face jat.

pls relax. it's weekend coming, I'm still stuck at unusually worky work things (imagine... having to actually work at work), and I haven't read this game.

On May 06 2016 21:15 Killing wrote:
I still have mostly the same reads. It's unfortunate that marv is BP because he was already obvious town. I think our lynches should be Ricey and Ettelex.

There's no way I can't think Ricey is mafia. I personally thought most of his d1 was garbage and I was the only vote on him. I'm not down with the re-reading thing but I remember a few towns saying that he was indeed scummy. I mean I have to think that if he was actually town than some mafia would just BW behind me to get him lynched as I kinda wanted to kill him before you guys just went ham on tubesock for no reason. Point being is that I don't understand why nobody kinda agreed with me and tried to kill ricey when a few people thought he was scummy. Especially considering i'm a new player, I think it'd be super easy to just jump on board on me considering some may think I have no idea what i'm doing although for the most part that's true.

Etellex's giant wall this day felt exactly like a post I wrote in my first scum game. It was like excuse, sorry, weak content. He's prob mafia too.

Dunno who the last one is.

Towns are:
Marv
Kush
Shape
Mig

Fuck that guy:
Palmar

On May 06 2016 21:45 Killing wrote:
Because I called him townie and I did not call you townie

On May 06 2016 22:04 RiceyKins wrote:


So you think I'm mafia, but tried to get Etellex lynched and by virtue also tried to keep Tubesock alive and briefly mentioned I wasn't sure about lynching him because I didn't have a good read on Tube (thought he was ok but people were making good points about him)



and you're saying I'm a scum team with Etellex? I think you might be right that Etellex is scum but if you think I'm with him you're not looking at things properly. I could have stayed on Dr.P and have no reason to attempt to bus Etellex as supposed mafia.

Why would I try to save somebody who is now confirmed town but up for lynch D1 and nearly break the balance (if Slams vote counted Etellex would have been lynched, or if Tube voted to save himself). Logically it makes no sense.

On May 06 2016 22:29 RiceyKins wrote:
I'm not sure really JAT, It's possible the mafia just weren't there and we lynched a fellow VT on our own. Till Marv claimed I had actually read back on it and thought he was mafia but that's pretty impossible now. I need to take another look at Slam, I felt ok-ish with him during the first 48~ hours but I'm honestly not sure what to think of him right now and need to go back and make sure. Etellex though I believe is very scummy, probably mafia.so out of the people on Tube I think you're right, it's either 1 or none imo. Though I'm leaning way more towards the 1

On May 06 2016 22:41 marvellosity wrote:
even if you're town, being wrong is not the same as doing nothing.

doing things is doing things whether you're right about those things or not.

On May 06 2016 23:24 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
dude killing you totally ignored my questions. that's fine, but i just want to make sure you are consciously not answering rather than just not seeing them.

On May 06 2016 23:43 Killing wrote:
@JAT, what was your Q, I can't find it

On May 06 2016 23:51 Killing wrote:


He also semi-defended me in that post which I found a bit off considering he was my #1 scum. Weird being not really a mafia thing to do in that spot. But it's mostly that line that made me think he was townier. I think my opinion was strengthened throughout the day from reading more of his posts but I can't remember a specific one

On May 07 2016 00:04 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


Hi Jat. So what's your angle here? You think Killing is scummy, Shape is scummy, null on both?

On May 07 2016 00:18 Shapelog wrote:
So what is your read on me JAT?

On May 07 2016 00:22 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


does it concern you that all your scumreads are very low activity?

On May 07 2016 00:27 Shapelog wrote:

Come to think about it,
Have you ever town read me?

On May 07 2016 00:31 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

it's like, if your scumteam consists of lynchbait, it's probably wrong, because those people look scummy even when they're town.

On May 07 2016 00:38 Palmar wrote:
Here's another thing. I think we have to kill sandroba today if he doesn't start doing shit. Given the fact that there was no vigilante shot tonight (unless he was roleblocked?) there is a huge chance we're going to have to spend lynches cleaning up trash.

Sandroba/DrP are very much in the trash category.

On May 07 2016 00:42 Palmar wrote:
do you think I'm faking the AFK thing jat?

(I can't remember if you answered it)

does it change your opinion at all on me that "I would never shoot marv" was blatant sarcasm on my part?

On May 07 2016 00:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

1 lynchbait looks scummy even when they're town.
2 that's why you're on my list too

On May 07 2016 02:20 Shapelog wrote:

The only interesting thing here is maybe JAT, everything else is boring.

On May 07 2016 02:32 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
if he's town i mean...
scumslip.

On May 07 2016 02:37 Shapelog wrote:

Mainly because I didn't know why. I went to his filter to see, but he already stated why.

Everyone else I can understand in some way or form. Tho, they are popular lynch pool people, hence boring.

Your resume for the scum team is growning.

On May 07 2016 02:38 Alakaslam wrote:
I am a fan of staying the course. Palmar seems too townie right now.

Call him svengali master but he has pretty much convinced me that others could have shot Marv.

On May 07 2016 02:45 Shapelog wrote:
Like 3/5 (4 if you count Palmar) of your people fit the reason with the posts towards JAT.

On May 07 2016 02:51 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
jat i didn't say those shouldn't be your scumreads. it was more like "do our scumreads worry you? cause they worry me"

On May 07 2016 08:54 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Jat want to explain your transition from
No plynches
To
We have to take out the trash?

Is it merely the revelation that there's no vig?

On May 07 2016 12:24 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


@JAT, So you're following Palmar's advice despite thinking hes scum and voting him?

On May 07 2016 16:18 Alakaslam wrote:

Has convinced me not to lynch him.

On May 07 2016 20:05 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Palmar, you said you looked at jatbamd Marv and they didn't look off.
Then you said n1 that Marv was confirmed town for not replacing. That was sort of joking but sort of not.

So Marv as town looked like your strongest read.

Anyway...
Palmar Jat Alakaslam is starting to look pretty likely to me.

On May 07 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
Which post is actually scummy jat?

Btw, Etellex is now my new friend. I don't trust slam as much.

Also, someone somewhere said I was townreading marv on day 1. That's not really true, I just prefer to not call him mafia until I have a reason to to make my life easier.

Killing still sounds overly hostile and annoyed. he's probably mafia.

On May 06 2016 16:15 justanothertownie wrote:


Those 2 posts are also really awful tbh.

Palmar probably knows that marv wouldn't replace out as mafia this game.
I remember him saying the "once marv says a smart thing he is town" thing as mafia and it is completely untrue. Marv says smart things regardless of his alignment. Palmar also doesn't need to poe to correctly read marv. It's all a big load of bs.

On May 07 2016 20:12 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

Isn't taking out the trash regarding inactives like Sandroba, ettelex?
And btw do you still want to lynch Sandrobas spot?

If Scum wants to take out the trash, trash is probably not scum. It makes no sense that you are adapting one of your scumreads strategies without being suspicious of his motives.

On May 07 2016 20:54 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


If Scum is advocating for taking out the trash, that should lead you to believe the trash, aka drp and etellex, aren't scum.

You said
Lets take out the trash like palmar said.
While thinking palmar was scum.
So you are following the agenda of someone you think is scum.

Ja stop pretending I'm not making sense.

On May 07 2016 21:06 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

Yeah maybe I'm making too big of a deal about this.

On May 07 2016 21:27 marvellosity wrote:
the sarcasm is coming across well this game

On May 08 2016 02:29 marvellosity wrote:
meh, doesn't matter, i have pizza to eat then social things to do.

On May 08 2016 03:54 RiceyKins wrote:
because Etellex has had much less discussed about him and honestly it's very easy for both sides to defend him / want him lynched and he hasn't said much about anyone specifically. How does a Palmar lynch not give you more information JAT? You people know how he plays and have way more insight into him than you do Etellex.

On May 08 2016 04:23 RiceyKins wrote:
Palmar seems to buddy up to people strangely based on what stage the game is in. He did it to Etellex as everybody was still kind of thinking about him as a primary lynch after D1, he's gone after killing without saying much more than he sounds hostile but also admits he hasn't read the thread then says Sandroba needs to be lynched for doing the exact same thing he's been doing.

It's also somewhat semantics but he says he THINKS marv is town which we all know is almost guaranteed at this point. I have no issues saying Marv is town at this point. scum worries about wording to not let slip that they have information we don't. Even after the fact it could be that he's still in that mindset and wont commit to knowing marv is town. Unless for some reason the vet decided not to claim and is letting Marv organize a lynch but I find that highly unlikely. You've called him confirmed town yourself but Palmar chooses to keep him at the same level as you JAT, he thinks you're both town.

also in the same post he says Sandroba would be the best lynch, votes for killing, and then says he has no information and has no opinion on me, sandroba(?), and Slam. Which again is odd. No opinion on somebody you strongly want to lynch.

There's other small stuff as well but yeah

On May 08 2016 04:35 RiceyKins wrote:
there's nothing about Etellex that would convince me that somebody else is or isn't scum while based on what I just said alone I'd feel better about my read on you because he puts you with Marv.

On May 08 2016 04:40 RiceyKins wrote:
null, slightly townish and what do you mean why? I just told you.

On May 08 2016 04:40 Mig wrote:
I dont mind lynching sandroba. Someone can tell me if I am wrong but from my memory sand was always way more hardcore as town and didnt really like being mafia. I mean replacing in doing nothing then making the excuse that he forgot he was in the game feels like such bs. Who replaces and forgets in the span of less than a day.

Palmar if the correct lynch is sandroba why are you voting killing?

On May 08 2016 04:52 Mig wrote:
JAT thoughts on sandrova vs palmar for the lynch?

On May 08 2016 05:02 Alakaslam wrote:
What's funny is a lot of people seem to agree with me but now they are sheeping the bandwagon on a strong player they don't recognize as having "done anything" when he actually has.

"What has he done slam?"

Oh STFU and get out. If I told you you would say that it didn't answer your question.

On May 08 2016 05:43 Palmar wrote:
I'm sorry guys, I had less time to play this game and apparently I would have needed a lot of time to play on day 2.

good luck

changing to sandroba because it seems like that lynch might be my only possible saving wagon.

##vote sandroba

Now, I don't mean to be selfish or anything, but I'd love it if sandroba was died instead of me. That'd be fantastic. I just think I'm more fun to keep around.

On May 08 2016 05:52 Palmar wrote:
Feel the urge to last minute voteswitch guys, it's literally NEVER a bad idea to do so

On May 08 2016 15:20 Mig wrote:
So lets murder sandroba next? Palmar saying sandroba was the best lynch but not voting him initially really suspect. Combined with sandroba not even checking and commenting on palmar flipping, people being suspicious of him etc. Seems really out of character for sandroba if he were town.

On May 08 2016 06:09 Shapelog wrote:
Ummm, 6 people on the Palmar wagon.

Also, I had a idea about Palmar's wagon, and will post it later.

On May 08 2016 12:45 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Etellex, How was Palmar making it look like you were scum with him? By not voting you?

On May 09 2016 05:07 marvellosity wrote:
he looks okay at a glance

On May 09 2016 05:15 marvellosity wrote:

possibly? but don't put too much stock in what i say because i've missed large swathes of the game.

On May 09 2016 05:56 Mig wrote:
I am the towniest of the town bros.

On May 08 2016 06:09 Shapelog wrote:
Ummm, 6 people on the Palmar wagon.

Also, I had a idea about Palmar's wagon, and will post it later.

On May 10 2016 05:57 Mig wrote:
So looking like sandroba isnt even going to put up a fight?

On May 11 2016 02:25 Mig wrote:
I actually wonder if slam is a better lynch than etellex next, assuming sand flips mafia. He was against the palmar lynch and town hero marv found him suspicious for his attacking on etellex. And this is basically nothing but feels a little weird to me for slam to attack the newbie right out of the gate. Seems unslammish. Also if the team is etellex/sand/palmar he should really just concede because he is going to be lynched at some point. If slam was the last mafia he would probably keep fighting.

On May 11 2016 06:02 Mig wrote:
I gotta be like 99% confirmed town at this point unless I decided to bus both my teammates and then try to battle it out solo against everyone. Which I am way too lazy as mafia to ever do.

On May 11 2016 06:03 Mig wrote:
Assuming they survive the night cop should just claim and at least eliminate one possibility

On May 11 2016 06:11 Mig wrote:
Whoever is the remaining mafia I would be grateful if you could shoot me tonight so I dont have to put any work in. Thanks

On May 11 2016 06:26 Shapelog wrote:

Presenting the most useless D1 VCA ever.

Mafia didn't vote. 3rd mafia was soloing, so maybe they were thinking about the long game? Dr.Pepper wouldn't have had check in for a while, and Palmar would be afkish, so maybe we are actually looking for that carrier.

I kinda really pissed, because I look at D1, to see if mafia voted for or against Etellex, due to the wagons being close. But fuck, they didn't even vote.


The thing I do not understand here, is that Palmar felt the need to really boaster Sand's position over the other team mate. This could suggest that maybe there acutally is another strong player left.

Or maybe I am just overcompensating about it. Eh.

I mean we know that scum had intents to make the Palmar bus very credible (or at least tried to) to the other team mates. Etellex is mentioned, but not pushed so much.

On May 11 2016 06:42 Mig wrote:
Palmars first and only read for awhile was that etellex seemed kind of new townie. Would he really implicate his teammate like that when he knows he is going to be under pressure? If so should probably win an award for worst mafia game ever since he for sure implicated sandroba with his talk about how sandroba was the correct lynch then not voting for him.

On May 11 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:

I am just making the assumption because of how Palmar tried to paint Sand. with his dying words. And there are people who actually fit into those Cat, most notably Killing/Extell. At least those come to my head.

You might be right tho about the bussing. I forgot that by the time Sand. voted, the vote count only had 1 on Etellex, meaning that it would be hard to start a wagon (Faceplam). the only person out of the first 5 I could see being scum is kush, but I am kinda working my way out of that situation. Still hate that plan of his, but evidence points to him being town so blah.

On May 11 2016 06:56 Shapelog wrote:

Be careful, He might be pulling what I did in XIX. Would have the same role as well, and almost the same bussing position on Rb + the all time aggression on teammates.

eh, idk, Kush did seem to play careful in Noir, but Noir was 9 and pretty random in terms of role set ups.

On May 11 2016 07:02 Mig wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Yea let me rephrase that, not the main reason they died but he made himself and sandroba look worse for nothing if killing is also mafia.

On May 11 2016 07:12 Shapelog wrote:

Yeah, game is over. Man that was a great game.

What was your alignment again?

On May 11 2016 07:26 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
everybody: kill etellex
etellex: surrender

if Etellex flips town, which won't happen, kill alakaslam then jat.

On May 11 2016 08:00 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
i mean my pr is useless now is why I claimed.

On May 12 2016 03:35 Fazers wrote:
I'm cop.