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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 15:14 GMT
#410
On May 05 2016 00:11 Alakaslam wrote:
LOL I am driving and those are song lyrics interposed in my post

Nice ^^
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 15:20 GMT
#414
On May 05 2016 00:18 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 05 2016 00:06 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On May 04 2016 23:59 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 04 2016 23:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@JAT, have you feelings changed regarding Palmar?
I ask because you were basing your palmar policy on him being active today.

It's really annoying but no, not really.


If this level of absolutely minimal activity continues, at what point will you want to lynch him?

When I don't have countless equally inactive alternatives who do not have a rl excuse.
Do you think Palmar is lying about that? Because I don't. Palmar is usually active as mafia. So chances are he is telling the truth regardless of his alignment.


Of course he's not lying. But there's always the modkill/replacement factor for the other people. Palmar is the only inactive with stated intent to avoid the modkill.

Who are you leaning towards right now?
Do you agree we need consolidation soon? Claims are very powerful in this setup and we should never lynch them uncced.

If you think he isn't lying then wtf is your policy on about? Do you like random lynching or what?

I haven't decided who I want to lynch yet but yes, consolidation needs to happen at some point in the near future.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 15:22 GMT
#416
And the modkill/replacement factor is completely irrelevant since people probably won't be modkilled for inactivity after just one phase. They will be warned first most likely. And noone stops them from coming back close to deadline if they are mafia.
Never work under the assumption that people will be modkilled.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 15:24 GMT
#419
On May 05 2016 00:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 00:20 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 05 2016 00:18 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On May 05 2016 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 05 2016 00:06 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On May 04 2016 23:59 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 04 2016 23:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@JAT, have you feelings changed regarding Palmar?
I ask because you were basing your palmar policy on him being active today.

It's really annoying but no, not really.


If this level of absolutely minimal activity continues, at what point will you want to lynch him?

When I don't have countless equally inactive alternatives who do not have a rl excuse.
Do you think Palmar is lying about that? Because I don't. Palmar is usually active as mafia. So chances are he is telling the truth regardless of his alignment.


Of course he's not lying. But there's always the modkill/replacement factor for the other people. Palmar is the only inactive with stated intent to avoid the modkill.

Who are you leaning towards right now?
Do you agree we need consolidation soon? Claims are very powerful in this setup and we should never lynch them uncced.

If you think he isn't lying then wtf is your policy on about? Do you like random lynching or what?

I haven't decided who I want to lynch yet but yes, consolidation needs to happen at some point in the near future.

Tubesock. He has tmi or is way too open to townreading at the very least me. He has been pretty eager to follow the fist vote but that part admittedly could come from town. Coupled with the TMI behavior however I conclude he is scum.

Yeah, maybe. His reads were pretty random. I especially didn't like the scumreads and marv seems to agree with you (even though I don't know how much of that is OMGUS).
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 15:31 GMT
#423
On May 05 2016 00:28 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 00:24 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 05 2016 00:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 05 2016 00:20 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 05 2016 00:18 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On May 05 2016 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 05 2016 00:06 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On May 04 2016 23:59 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 04 2016 23:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@JAT, have you feelings changed regarding Palmar?
I ask because you were basing your palmar policy on him being active today.

It's really annoying but no, not really.


If this level of absolutely minimal activity continues, at what point will you want to lynch him?

When I don't have countless equally inactive alternatives who do not have a rl excuse.
Do you think Palmar is lying about that? Because I don't. Palmar is usually active as mafia. So chances are he is telling the truth regardless of his alignment.


Of course he's not lying. But there's always the modkill/replacement factor for the other people. Palmar is the only inactive with stated intent to avoid the modkill.

Who are you leaning towards right now?
Do you agree we need consolidation soon? Claims are very powerful in this setup and we should never lynch them uncced.

If you think he isn't lying then wtf is your policy on about? Do you like random lynching or what?

I haven't decided who I want to lynch yet but yes, consolidation needs to happen at some point in the near future.

Tubesock. He has tmi or is way too open to townreading at the very least me. He has been pretty eager to follow the fist vote but that part admittedly could come from town. Coupled with the TMI behavior however I conclude he is scum.

Yeah, maybe. His reads were pretty random. I especially didn't like the scumreads and marv seems to agree with you (even though I don't know how much of that is OMGUS).

Did tube scumread Marv?

Yeah, he openly antagonized him. Exceptionally dumb move if tube is mafia and marv is town since we all know how marv reacts to this though.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 15:35 GMT
#429
On May 04 2016 22:04 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 21:55 marvellosity wrote:
On May 04 2016 21:53 Killing wrote:
Marv, hope on the "isn't really great logical sense" train with me. We're gonna have a wild ride

i might rather kill tubesock though

but i don't know yet


Go ahead.

You've wasted how many pages talking about this thing that you already said you're not gunning for Ricey. You have not scum hunted at all. The one thing you did was ask about a question mark. Even that you said you thought he was town before and after.

I mean it is not impossible at all that he does this as mafia but it's not very smart.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 15:37 GMT
#431
On May 05 2016 00:34 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
jat just because you are afraid of marv don't assume everyone else is.

Why would I be afraid of marv? :/

Fact is town marv tends to lynch people who openly oppose him. On second thought I don't know if tubesock has been playing long enough to know this though.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 15:55 GMT
#442
On May 05 2016 00:52 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
palmar plynch lookin better and better, amirite?

You aren't.

You just admitted that you don't think Palmar is lying about his rl stuff. Why do you want to lynch him then? What makes him a better target than the people who do not have an excuse like that?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 16:13 GMT
#453
On May 05 2016 01:12 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
I said this before jat.

Palmer has stated his intent to vote. That saves him from a potential modkill or replacement.
Whereas Drp is probably going to get replaced.

I said this before kush.

The lurkers most likely will not be replaced day1. And if they are mafia then nothing stops them from voting/posting eod. It is not hard to understand.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 16:19 GMT
#455
On May 05 2016 01:14 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
The policy is not lynch people who lie about irl. The policy is lynch people who are unreadable due to lack of content.

Nice deflection.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 16:25 GMT
#457
On May 05 2016 01:23 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 01:13 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 05 2016 01:12 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
I said this before jat.

Palmer has stated his intent to vote. That saves him from a potential modkill or replacement.
Whereas Drp is probably going to get replaced.

I said this before kush.

The lurkers most likely will not be replaced day1. And if they are mafia then nothing stops them from voting/posting eod. It is not hard to understand.


Who is more likely to get replaced, either tomorrow of eventually? DrP or Palmar?
Dr P. That's why Palmar makes a better plynch.

"Nothing stops them from voting/posting eod"
No but it would make them look scummy if they were afk except to put down a vote, so scum don't tend to do that.

Never ever ever base your play on potential replacements/modkills. It's fucking idiotic.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 16:28 GMT
#460
On May 05 2016 01:26 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
It's the reality of the situation. You can play in an idealized JATland but I play in the real world.

In the real world you give up lynching someone who can defend himself or has chosen to be inactive in order to lynch someone completely at random. That is retarded.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 16:29 GMT
#461
On May 05 2016 01:27 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
wahtever i dont want to argue about this with you. I do want to consolidate on someone sensible so we can maximize our chances to get a claim.

wat
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 16:33 GMT
#464
Then why would you ever ever ever lynch someone who is afk if that is your way to proceed? Are you dense?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 16:37 GMT
#471
On May 05 2016 01:34 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 01:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Then why would you ever ever ever lynch someone who is afk if that is your way to proceed? Are you dense?

well that's separate matter.
ideally we lynch someone afk who shows up before eod to claim.

No, no it is not a separate matter at all. We are in the real world remember? There is only one lynch and getting someone to claim and lynching an afk are mutually exclusive.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 16:40 GMT
#473
On May 05 2016 01:38 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 01:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 05 2016 01:34 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On May 05 2016 01:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Then why would you ever ever ever lynch someone who is afk if that is your way to proceed? Are you dense?

well that's separate matter.
ideally we lynch someone afk who shows up before eod to claim.

No, no it is not a separate matter at all. We are in the real world remember? There is only one lynch and getting someone to claim and lynching an afk are mutually exclusive.

lynching someone who is going to be a potential mislynch down the line is more important than getting a claim.
so I see it as just one priority outweighing the other.

You are just pulling shit out of your ass. Your argumentation for the last minutes was the dumbest shit I had to read in ages.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 17:07 GMT
#495
On May 05 2016 02:05 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 02:02 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
shape vote someone?

Eh,
I currently waiting for the folks called Mig and E-guy to post.

Dr.P is a crapshoot, yet I wouldn't mind getting rid of a lurker.

I want to read Jat and Marvs filter a bit more, once I get home. But I doubt I vote for them.

Yep, I also want to see what Mig has to offer. Also marv needs to get back in here.

I might take a short nap - I am feeling really exhausted/tired.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 20:05 GMT
#548
On May 05 2016 02:35 Mig wrote:
quick thoughts

Kush, you have been the most active player in the game I assume you must have a scum read on someone? Policy lynching palmar is pointless.

JAT, your filter is 20% of the total game and I dont see you calling anyone a scum really? Seems weird for you. As a town I would expect you to be giving a stronger opinion on things. So far I don't really see any hard headed JAT opinions that I would expect from someone who cared about finding scum.

Marv lean town just based on his super weak defense of etellex. Guy wasnt under any pressure seemed pointless to defend him as mafia especially when it is just a feel defense and going to draw more attention to yourself. Especially if he is going to put 0 effort in just seems like a weird thing for him to even bother posting as mafia.

Riceykins/JAT odds of them both being mafia are super small. Hard to explain but attacking someone for having a rehearsed entrance is a really weird thing for mafia to go after each other for. I just dont remember ever seeing it that often, especially if riceykins is new.

Tubesock, entrance felt really weird to me. Overly forced/jokey. A lot of random questions to people with 0 follow up. And none of the questions seem to really impact his reads. Seems way more confident marv is scum but still voting etellex? I still have to read the nutcracker filter.

Fazers - Weird, his thinking is completely nonsensical. Doesnt appear to actually care about finding scum?
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 10:31 Fazers wrote:

I have a strong opinion about Shapelog - imo he's a strong player from my observations. Thus I will not vote to lynch him on Day 1. However, that may change as days pass.


This is weird also, unnecessary buddying up when shape hasnt done anything.

Right now I would be fine lynching any of JAT/tube/faze. Probably JAT #1 unless he actually contributes something. Feels like JAT is around a lot but just commenting on the side as things go on and not actually doing anything. A lot of fake activity.

You really want to be called bad I take it. There have been plenty of hardheaded JAT opinions. Most of the time I do not have strong scumreads on day1 - meta really isn't something you can bring up against me.

Like, for example I made this very very clear:
On May 05 2016 03:10 Mig wrote:
Lynching palmar is pointless really. What exactly do you learn from lynching him? Basically just an entire wasted day. At least force people to take stands and vote someone out who is posting.

And I also was the first to call out Tube for his bad townreads:
On May 05 2016 03:24 Mig wrote:
So I have read tubesock's nutcracker and storm games.

So the questions going nowhere doesnt seem to be really alignment indicative, he did it in both games. But during his mafia game he was a lot quicker to give out his town reads.

Tube's first post as town in storm

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote:
Good morning.

Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.

Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.

I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.

As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.

Ritoky probably is in fact VT.

Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation.



Immediately gives a scum read, lists town reads but they are secondary. He never really gives a town list again throughout the game. He also went by his own opinion and voted the guy he had a scum read on.

First post in nutcracker, immediately gives a town read and buddys up to someone. Notice he gives himself an opportunity to bandwagon his lynch target.

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 15 2015 09:28 Tubesock wrote:
Hello all, sorry had a long travel couple of days and my hotel internet is pretty terrible.

Anyway, Koshi is the only one acting towny. I think he’s funny and I like his critical eye (Kusgate). I think his alternate lynch on Rels is interesting. Whether Koshi wants to lynch him or just pressure him, I think that benefits town.

I’m thinking about Shapelog. The first half of his filter I can’t help but think he’s just parroting and talking to talk. Then he has to “reread my filter” (#182 pg 10) which I think is super weird unless he’s mafia. He then talks about TT in a scummy way but ends with “null”. If he found it null, why not just say “meh, I don’t see the case” or something? Why the big post?

Sukrit is in some ways like Shapelog. But different somehow too. I personally think Koshi’s post about he’s going to be useless and then a few posts later actually delivers makes Koshi towny more than scummy. Yet, Sukrit appears driven to lynch him because he’s convinced Koshi is mafia. I will think about him more later.

No one else has done anything interesting.



He then follows up by following the bandwagon and voting rels with koshi. And later on making a large post listing his town reads

This game he immediately buddys up with kush, then buddys up to slam (putting slam on multiple town read/ no lynch lists why?) And then immediately hops on slams bandwagon and votes etellex (very similar to how he did in nutcracker as mafia) It appears his strongest mafia read is marv but he hasnt made any attempt to actually lynch him.

I am good with a tubesock lynch

##vote Tubesock


So, I did say exactly the things you point out way before but somehow you claim I haven't contributed anything?
Wtf man.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 20:09 GMT
#554
And I just woke up with probably the worst heartburn I ever had so I am in a bad mood already. Saying that I didn't contribute anything when I am one of the only really active players in this game as someone who couldn't even be arsed to play the game until right before eod is really fucking ridiculous.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
May 04 2016 20:11 GMT
#556
On May 05 2016 05:07 Mig wrote:
JAT I am not voting for you but you havent even voted yet and there is an hour to go. I expect you to be bulldogging someone. I dont really care if you have thrown out a couple opinions without doing anything to back them up

I made it a fucking point that I do not want to "bulldog" anyone this game on day1. If you don't believe me check my recent games.

On that note where the fuck has marv gone?
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