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EBWOP from #519,
That should have read to DYH
"I see we're on the same page with Koshi, prob not Fidei"
the filter re-reads are on my to-do list....
And LS, I'm going through your filter, you haven't really produced too much in the way of new reads or scumteam proposals.
Mind commenting on
(1) GlowingBear
(2) Koshi
(3) DYH
(4) Fidei
(5) gumshoe
With respect to voting patterns and/or generally reading them
I'm aware the associative shit might be hard so stick to the first two unless you want to crack it...
Now I really gotta roll. Really wish I wasn't so damned pressed for time these days.
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On April 24 2016 01:59 Half the Sky wrote:9/40 I also noticed one minor mistake in last night's reconstruct, so I'll re-colour with Tumbleweed in blue... Shapelog I feel from pure voting is unlikely to be mafia, otherwise he was in the process of engineering a sick bus on sicklucker. IDK. I need to double check that read progression. Vote Reconstruction v22124, approx 2h prior to EoDShow nested quote +On April 22 2016 05:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
LightningStrike (2) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
DoYouHas (2) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
Not voted (5) - Shapelog, DoYouHas, Damdred, gumshoe, Fecalfeast
2244, approx 45m prior to EoD - sicklucker was the hammer Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog
LightningStrike (2) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
DoYouHas (2) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (1) - Gumshoe
Not Voting (1) - DoYouHas 2315, or 15m to EoD - sickucker STILL the lynch with most votes DISCLAIMER: I reconstructed from here on out with strikethroughs this vote from the voting thread - call me out if I've made a mistake. Sicklucker (4) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe Fecalfeast (3) - Tumblewood, Koshi, DamdredLightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Koshi (1) - sickluckerGumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - GumshoeShapelog (1) - DoYouHas DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood2316, or 14m to EoD - gumshoe effectively hammers FF Fecalfeast (4) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoeLightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Koshi (1) - sickluckerGumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - GumshoeShapelog (1) - DoYouHas DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sickluckerLightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - GumshoeShapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - FecalfeastDoYouHas (0) - Koshi, TumblewoodKoshi (0) - sickluckerSicklucker (0) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe2330 - End of Day 1Fecalfeast (5) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker, DamdredLightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - FecalfeastKoshi (1) - sicklucker, sickluckerDoYouHas (0) - Koshi, TumblewoodSicklucker (0) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoeTicTock (0) - GumshoeSo looking at this, I am a bit worried, I still have my phobias from Day 1 on Koshi but I got a WIFOM feeling from gumshoe's last posts. I think there's one mafia between Koshi/gumshoe based on the Fecalfeast wagon. Fidei had been all over the shop with his reads, but I gotta re-read him. From votes alone, Shapelog is looking better but I need to see whether shit is off between him and sicklucker. I know sicklucker commented jack all on him, it was all about me. DYH - I will put questions to him in another post. He's just posted too little and we just need more informations from him. Tictock, if mafia is a sleeper mafia...but I'm doubting it based on the quality of his posts. I'm doubting it at the moment. I'll re-read that filter that to be sure. For now, it's one of in Koshi/gumshoe as mafia. Fidei needs a review, Shapelog needs a review for filter. There is one mafia somewhere in DYH/GlowingBear. Tictock and LS I am thinking are town. This is where I stand atm.
HTS, since you're basing your reads mostly on VCA, why do you think there is mafia between me and DYH?
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Wait, where did Tumblewood hard claimed vigi?
Not that he isn't, but I'd love to see him saying it word by word.
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I'm voting Koshi. I think his posts are following a private agenda. I don't really trust he believes in what he is saying.
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I'm at work so not gunna bother with quotes atm.
I really don't have a read on DYH so I glanced at his filter. I noticed he never really gave a read on SL till his list post at night and even then he basically just said he didn't want to make a read yet. Could very well be lurking mafia but I'd place him closer to a null read based on a few of his posts having decent thinking.
@HtS what made you change your mind on LS?
Idk about Shape, need to give a proper look at his filter (actually I'm not sure if I've even bothered to open his yet). On the one hand my gut read is leaning town but the quality of his posts feels a little lacking and are reminiscent of his play later on as scum in Storm. HtS's point about his vote on SL is decent, but I don't think it's as strong as she is making it out to be.
Think thats all for now.
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Hmmm. Not sure if I want to get lynched.
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On April 24 2016 02:31 Half the Sky wrote:
11/40
EBWOP from #519,
That should have read to DYH
"I see we're on the same page with Koshi, prob not Fidei"
the filter re-reads are on my to-do list....
And LS, I'm going through your filter, you haven't really produced too much in the way of new reads or scumteam proposals.
Mind commenting on
(1) GlowingBear
(2) Koshi
(3) DYH
(4) Fidei
(5) gumshoe
With respect to voting patterns and/or generally reading them
I'm aware the associative shit might be hard so stick to the first two unless you want to crack it...
Now I really gotta roll. Really wish I wasn't so damned pressed for time these days.
I think James is town and Koshi too. James is starting to do his own work and Koshi been doing his own things and been kinda active?
DYH is null for me he haven't done to much and I being cautious with him because he buddied me so hard in Student Newbie XX at LYLO. Gumshoe's voting reasons for SL seemed weak and he didn't try to push his own case on TT who he thought was scumier but he claimed it was because his computer was acting up. I would think he would try to make a case or at least push his lynch more but he claimed TT did more stuff than him and looked better than him so :\
GB: Maybe Town? He been doing his own thing and tried to pressure people too but I can see a little bit why people having trouble with him but I don't think we should lynch him today.
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On April 24 2016 02:31 GlowingBear wrote:
HTS, since you're basing your reads mostly on VCA, why do you think there is mafia between me and DYH?
I'm trying to isolate those on the FF wagon, and those who were solo voters, and then using other (non-voting) criteria to eliminate or townread or whatever.
I'm of the working theory that of the two remaining mafia, there was one mafia that was on FF and one mafia that was a solo voter.
"Between you and DYH" implies that of the solo voters, you two are lookign like the most mafia to me, not that any interactions between you and DYH means one of you is mafia. Sorry for the confusion.
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2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF
Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker
Sicklucker (1) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Koshi (0) - sicklucker
HTS, why did you say "town pile on FF"
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##unvote
##vote Shape
Underwhelming. I am also thinking people are pretty townie.
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On April 24 2016 04:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF
Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker
Sicklucker (1) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Koshi (0) - sicklucker HTS, why did you say "town pile on FF"
Well I not HTS but I think her reasoning is she knows she town and thinks that shape is town too thus town pile on.
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solely association-reading the vote count:
- ls looks pretty town because sl would be stupid to jump on a 1-vote wagon on hts with his scummate
- fidei either saw gumshoe way early or jumped the gun in order to get maximum cred
- one scum between shape, hts, and gum for switching to save sl, probably gumshoe because he jumped on sl latest, switched earliest, and is otherwise scummiest
- dyh, tt, gb, and fidei utterly useless on their silly stubborn solo wagons
man, stuff is happening but it's way easier not to think and use my silly rules for vca instead
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Day 2:
gumshoe (2) - Tictock, gumshoe, Koshi
Koshi (1) - GlowingBear
Shapelog (1) - Koshi
Tumblewood (0) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoe
Not voted (6) - Shapelog, Fidei86, DoYouHas, Tumblewood, LightningStrike, Half the Sky
At the current vote, gumshoe is slated to be lynched.
until deadline.
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On April 24 2016 04:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF
Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker
Sicklucker (1) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Koshi (0) - sicklucker HTS, why did you say "town pile on FF"
I'm referring to the fact that most people on Fecalfaest are town, I was working with the theory that one person on that wagon is mafia, one was in the solo voters, and one was pushing my lynch (which was true in sicklucker).
It is collectively a town pile on.
Tictock, I missed your question. Re: LS, I continued reading his filter into how he kept pushing me and why. He also really believed in his case, and the manner in which he's been tunnelled and the fact no one is really step in makes me think our clash was town on town.
I know conversationally he's not a town leader type player though, so I am dealing with LS atm in the way I know how.
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Mods:
On April 24 2016 04:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Day 2: gumshoe (2) - Tictock, gumshoe, KoshiTumblewood (1) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoeKoshi (1) - GlowingBear Shapelog (1) - Koshi Not voted (5) - Shapelog, Fidei86, DoYouHas, Tumblewood, LightningStrike At the current vote, gumshoe is slated to be lynched.
until deadline.
On April 24 2016 01:59 Half the Sky wrote:
##unvote
Just saying...
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On April 24 2016 04:40 Half the Sky wrote:Mods:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 04:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Day 2: gumshoe (2) - Tictock, gumshoe, KoshiTumblewood (1) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoeKoshi (1) - GlowingBear Shapelog (1) - Koshi Not voted (5) - Shapelog, Fidei86, DoYouHas, Tumblewood, LightningStrike At the current vote, gumshoe is slated to be lynched.
until deadline. Just saying...
Fixed.
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On April 24 2016 04:00 Half the Sky wrote:12/40 Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 02:31 GlowingBear wrote:
HTS, since you're basing your reads mostly on VCA, why do you think there is mafia between me and DYH? I'm trying to isolate those on the FF wagon, and those who were solo voters, and then using other (non-voting) criteria to eliminate or townread or whatever. I'm of the working theory that of the two remaining mafia, there was one mafia that was on FF and one mafia that was a solo voter. "Between you and DYH" implies that of the solo voters, you two are lookign like the most mafia to me, not that any interactions between you and DYH means one of you is mafia. Sorry for the confusion.
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I see, but this doesn't have a logical basis at all. Mafia could pretty much pile up on SL's counter wagon. It's hard for me to believe mafia would waste their votes under that situation.
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On April 24 2016 02:54 Tictock wrote:
I'm at work so not gunna bother with quotes atm.
I really don't have a read on DYH so I glanced at his filter. I noticed he never really gave a read on SL till his list post at night and even then he basically just said he didn't want to make a read yet. Could very well be lurking mafia but I'd place him closer to a null read based on a few of his posts having decent thinking.
@HtS what made you change your mind on LS?
Idk about Shape, need to give a proper look at his filter (actually I'm not sure if I've even bothered to open his yet). On the one hand my gut read is leaning town but the quality of his posts feels a little lacking and are reminiscent of his play later on as scum in Storm. HtS's point about his vote on SL is decent, but I don't think it's as strong as she is making it out to be.
Think thats all for now.
I just read Shapelog's filter for testing the waters against an associative read between Shapelog and sicklucker. Going to be honest here, it looks pretty damn organic to me.
It's possible he's made a sick bus though, and one can argue if it was clear sicklucker was going to half ass the game Shapelog could try and buy the cred.
Doublechecking timestamps, Shapelog's first anti-sicklucker post comes in at 6h20 prior to EoD:
On April 22 2016 01:10 Shapelog wrote:SaltShaker Kinda debating putting him in the scum lean cat. (I did) I would expect him to do more after saying most people are going to wait to post (his 3rd post.) Also this post really doesn't give much if you look at it: Show nested quote +Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard
Ticktock is looking really strong
I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game
Gum probably town from what I know about him
FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked.
Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor
wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one
I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts A lot of his town reads aren't really explained (TT) and just feels rushed in a way. He is kinda avoids a read on 3 people (talks about FF, but doesn't actually really gives a read, more so on the threads interaction on FF) (HTS statement was pretty none positional) (and I have really no clue what he means on mine lol) He also doesn't seem to go after anyone other than GB. And focuses on GB on his next post.
On April 22 2016 05:53 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 05:45 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure why SL jeeps somehow avoiding people's lists, he's almost done the least amount in game and hasn't posted in forever.
Besides that I am curious how tumble has such a hard town read on gb in this situation? Agreed with SL. He doesn't seem really here much, and that last post from him wasn't great either.
I'm not seeing a problem there. If Shapelog is mafia, that is one sick bus.
On April 22 2016 06:28 Shapelog wrote:
Yeah this absent from him is pretty damming.
GB, I like his latest posts. And kinda fufilled some sus. form him.
TT, has posted more. Though there is something I need to check.
SL has done nothing really.
I also thought by now that Gum would show up and post by now.
On April 22 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:
##Vote: Sicklucker
My reasoning in my list + Still not being here
Might not stay, (as I am still looking at things) but is where my heart is.
I know people called his switch to Fecalfeast very questionable so there's the possibility of him moving OFF a scumbuddy but still that is quite risky as hell for him to commit the way he did....
On April 22 2016 07:10 Shapelog wrote:
Even though he did have sus. towards HTS. i do not understand why he thinks another vote without giving reasoning behind it. FF basically said "no show = vote" yet he is still looking at other lynches. It feels a bit opportunistic, and is really concerning if Sl gets lynched and flips scum. I feel like the first few posts was just him talking to talk, but now his person is getting lynched (other than LS, which by the time he posted the sky comment, was still before he went with damdred.)
On April 22 2016 07:24 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:21 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 22 2016 07:10 Shapelog wrote:Hmmm. I do not understand why FF was open to a HTS vote. On April 21 2016 07:10 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 21 2016 07:06 Damdred wrote:On April 21 2016 07:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
LS you're using so many posts just trying to discredit what people say about you rather than trying to find scum. And this is different than every other game how? Anyway I'm going to hedge on hts now until tommorow. It is bothering me sl is getting so little attention especially with his lack of try hard as s um lately. You're right, it's been a while I guess. I'll never pass up a chance to lynch SL, especially if he's being lazy  On April 22 2016 01:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
I would like to vote and lynch sicklucker if he doesn't come back. HTS you're giving me weird tone feels right now it feels like you're talking down to everyone but maybe that's just me having only been awake 10 minutes He hasn't come back. So logic says that SL should be his lynched for today. On April 22 2016 06:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
Pssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
##vote sicklucker
frig off damdred On April 22 2016 06:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
I would vote HTS Even though he did have sus. towards HTS. i do not understand why he thinks another vote without giving reasoning behind it. FF basically said "no show = vote" yet he is still looking at other lynches. It feels a bit opportunistic, and is really concerning if Sl gets lynched and flips scum. I feel like the first few posts was just him talking to talk, but now his person is getting lynched (other than LS, which by the time he posted the sky comment, was still before he went with damdred.) lol so saying that I'd vote SL if he doesn't show up means I am bound to doing that for the rest of the phase? I don't like the way HTS is addressing people and the tone with which I read her posts is different from the way I remember her posting as town. I don't understand why you voted for him, then about 30 mins later (IIRC) when a sky lynch talk happens, you say "i would vote HTS." It doesn't make sense to me.
Nothing seems off about this.
I get he's been underwhelming. But quite frankly a LOT of people have been. It's not a bad argument but I want to see a more robust argument before I lynch someone.
One of the "underwhelming" players is surely mafia.
Like if in these reads someone is seeing something scummy about what Shape has actually posted that I am simply not, let's discuss that.
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Especially DYH who decided to vote Shapelog 15 minutes before EOD. He either knew a teammate would hammer FF or he simply is town.
Because, if he is mafia, he is not saving his partner and he is not bussing for cred. For what reason he decided to vote someone else, then? Where is the Mafia motivation?
You could say "to be town read like you're doing right now", and I would say it is possible. But is it most likely? I don't think so
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Tell me the logical basis of "one of the underwhelming players is surely Mafia"
Every Mafia member can be active and doing stuff. Being "underwhelming" doesn't necessarily means someone is Mafia. There is no rule that "in every game, there is always an underwhelming Mafia player"
This is just an easy excuse to call people Mafia. I want you to give me real reasons to why you think someone is Mafia.
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