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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On April 24 2016 07:03 LightningStrike wrote: I believe that Koshi is town am I wrong on that read and if so why GB? 14 I've made a whole post pointing out inconsistencies in his play and why I think he is Mafia for that. Read that one and if you still think he is town, debunk my case. By the way, why do you think he is town again? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
So what is the real reason you're voting Shape? Is that because he looks underwhelming or because of that bad meta? Also, you said you're also voting Shape because people are pretty townie to you. So how am I "meh"? Why are you not willing to vote me? Isn't "meh" basically "underwhelming"? Which means there are more underwhelming people in the game by your own standards. So why going against Shapelog, who actually posted a lot Day1? By normal standards, I am kinda underwhelming this game based on my inactivity (and I'm inactive because I've been busy), DYH is also underwhelming. Why are you not talking about them? Why didn't you lynch SL who was pretty much underwhelming day1? Why did you pressured people asking them "why aren't you voting SL"? Well imo Shape is underwhelming and explained the meta read on him. The reason I say he looks ok this game is because he has the vote on sicklucker in his back pocket. But pure based on his posting I think he easily could be mafia. I don't understand what the inconsistency is. I think Shape is not his townie self (and it has nothing to do with spamming and post restrictions), and I think it could indicate him being mafia in this game and just not being able to give a fuck. I don't know about this other game he is playing in but clearly he made a mistake signing up for this one or he cba to figure out this one. I don't know what the fuck you are doing. But my guts say that you can be like this as town, and for shape it is less likely. That's why my vote was on him. All that being said. I have not the will to push anything in this game. I am now officially observing while being ingame. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
D1: defends sl D2: says mafia takes a huge risk killing damdred because he wasn't blue, so it must be the tw read. (which is 100% mafia agenda knowing that TW is town). And now basically gave up. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On April 24 2016 07:23 GlowingBear wrote: 14 I've made a whole post pointing out inconsistencies in his play and why I think he is Mafia for that. Read that one and if you still think he is town, debunk my case. By the way, why do you think he is town again? Koshi been doing his own thing pressuring people and been kind of active. Plus he martyr although kind of anti-town makes it more likely that he is town. In addition Koshi been lynching townies his last few games so it makes sense that he not hardcore pushing people. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On April 23 2016 06:22 Damdred wrote: I had to run to the store so my post won't be posted maybe mafia won't kill me and I'll be able to post it when I'm home. But ATM I have Damdred LS Gumshoe Ticktock As my really pretty sure they are town GB Dyh Koshi As my probably town right now Hts Right now is a gut feel town. I feel like tumble is really likely mafia with what I said. Which leaves me in a world where SL, shape and james have two mafia in it from my perspective. Technically GB could drop here but idk I'm in his pocket a bit ATM with the hard town read earlier. If I had to make a guess its James, SL and tumble. But i was still working through things Let's say Damdred was really a high prior docsave target. Why was he killed? This post is why I don't really like killing gumshoe even though I think he should die. Like.. Fidei or shape are the ones that look really bad. I can't see mafia taking the risk just for sl. He didn't have too much credit in this mafia team. So it was either to 1) Frame TW 2) protect a stronger mafia player (aka Fidei or Shape) ohyeah. GB. That is also why I voted Shape I think. I already did this analysis once. It's when I said Fidei (=james?) looked bad and he went "wtf?" If my vote was after I said that it was because some people that know Fidei say that Fidei is not mafia. (could be TT or DYH, who both could be mafia and therefore would still be correct.) The only thing townie today in gumshie his play was this sentence | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
Again I pressed post too fast. The bolded I find somewhat townie: On April 23 2016 13:23 gumshoe wrote: OH MAH GAWD MORE SHELLS YAAAAY Also dont worry, I'll def throw out as much as I can regardless, but yeah I really feel like dying today, this is just the worst string of luck bad play I have ever combined. I was implying hts was a bit scummy yes, but then I saw the case damdred put out onto tumble and thought he was the one that killed for pressure relief. Now that thats not the case I'm kinda coming back around to hts as scum / : (cause thats def gonna help not get me killed XD) I will review her filter, she may very well have killed damdred to destroy the one big townie who could be a threat to her / : then pinned that scenario onto tumble, (even though he was coming around to town reading her after) sigh duck ALL I KNOW IS SHAPE IS TOWN, ALL HAIL SHAPE. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On April 24 2016 07:44 Koshi wrote: godfuckingdamnit Again I pressed post too fast. The bolded I find somewhat townie: I'm really not understanding what you find townie about this Koshi. Imo Gum has basically claimed scum with his play today, and here he is basically admitting he has no scumreads. Really the only thought he seems to have coming into today is this NK wifom about why damdred is killed, and notice there was no real follow through with this. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Voting gumshoe | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Gumshoe are you there? I want to ask you a few questions. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 25 2016 01:36 GlowingBear wrote: 16 Gumshoe are you there? I want to ask you a few questions. Soup, | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
17 Actually it was nothing, I was just checking if you were looking at the thread but not doing nothing to fight your lynch. Thank you for your attention. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Voting gumshoe. I'll be around in 1h30/2h or so if people want to bounce off ideas on other scumreads and I'll catch up with questions/the thread then. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 25 2016 02:04 GlowingBear wrote: 17 Actually it was nothing, I was just checking if you were looking at the thread but not doing nothing to fight your lynch. Thank you for your attention. kewl : D as for fighting my lynch, it doesnt matter what I say, I've fucked up enough that theres always going to be some doubt and I dont want that bringing town down. I made the mistake of signing up for a game off the high of another, I've done that before but I simply did not learn my lesson then, without the actual will to devote the effort. None of that matters though, because the dude with that very excuse was scum and given my role in saving him no amount of effort on my part should ever clear me in this position. gg good luck town. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
there is simply no caveat, it would be hypocritical of me to tell town not to kill me when I fulfill all my own lynch requirements. 1) seemingly uncaring of the game 2) tied to scum 3) no real pushes or cases against anyone. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On April 25 2016 02:12 gumshoe wrote: kewl : D as for fighting my lynch, it doesnt matter what I say, I've fucked up enough that theres always going to be some doubt and I dont want that bringing town down. I made the mistake of signing up for a game off the high of another, I've done that before but I simply did not learn my lesson then, without the actual will to devote the effort. None of that matters though, because the dude with that very excuse was scum and given my role in saving him no amount of effort on my part should ever clear me in this position. gg good luck town. yeah, as genuine as this seems, I don't ever want to take someone to LyLo like this. too many question marks, and there'd always be that question in the back of my mind, "was that concession fake?" BUT, you can salvage this, gumshoe. if you are town, use your position as future confirmed townie to leverage your reads. I hate to see townies give up like this because I know you can still be useful. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 25 2016 02:22 Tumblewood wrote: yeah, as genuine as this seems, I don't ever want to take someone to LyLo like this. too many question marks, and there'd always be that question in the back of my mind, "was that concession fake?" BUT, you can salvage this, gumshoe. if you are town, use your position as future confirmed townie to leverage your reads. I hate to see townies give up like this because I know you can still be useful. yeah dont worry writing stuff up now : D but at this point yeah, if players like tick tock and gb wind up bieng scum, they can fill days just accusing me over and over. But im not convinced tick tock at least is scum, so I dont really want to push him back. If I die, it'll force scum to adapt, which they dont ever have to atm because they will always have valid arguments against me as I am actually super duper scummy this game. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote: 4 Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because: 1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all. Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective I originally liked this post, but now I'm just okay with it. Seeing SL flip has made me consider whether this was a bus, and I must say I'm not sure. It would be a rather premature bus, though, so I'll dole out one townie point for this. On April 22 2016 03:04 GlowingBear wrote: I know the case on SL isn't the strongest. Although I think his attitude was suspicious, I only wanted to keep developing discussion. I also like to push a target in a way everything is explained in details, whatever slignment he is, because I think mafia has a hard time covering all aspects of their stories. Regardless if a post is NAI or AI, a hard push will almost always reveal inconsistencies if the player's intention is made up this is weird because GB made these nice points on SL and then played them down as not very important. I revoke the town point and substitute a scum point. On April 22 2016 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: + Show Spoiler + Damdred On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it. I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons. We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice. Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here! [1] Awkward jokes from Damdred gives me scumvibes. Yet, this is illogical so I will just put this as NAI. Still, it's relevant for me to say I don't like this opening. On April 20 2016 08:16 Damdred wrote: This is actually a towny type thought dyh Ca do the town pile for now. 5 Same reaction I had to DYH post, which makes me think Damdred is likely to be town. On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game. While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game. SL is obviously null Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons) LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum. Again, same reaction as me. Damdred is most likely town. DoYouHas On April 20 2016 08:11 DoYouHas wrote: You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it. Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye. Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever. This post stroke me as town. I like the analysis DYH, it felt genuine and it's actually an okay suspicion. - LightningStrike On April 20 2016 08:18 LightningStrike wrote: I finally got my prayers answered by RNGJesus and it got me town for the first time in a Lex game. I do fin the vote by gum kinda weird due to his reasoning. His rerasonig is pretty saying he doesn't want a Donald Trump in this game although I don't blame it might happen :\ I don't like this post from LS because it's clearly he got it was a joke from Damdred, then gumshoe's vote must also be a vote. It shouldn't be suspicious. Leaning scum. On April 20 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote: I was just being blunt on what I thought thought Gumshoe had said and I was making it a tiny bit of a fun joke because I hate trump myself but his supporters are even worse :\ Anyways Gumshoe is likely town based on my only game playing with him in Storm with his style of posting matching his style of posting here. I really don't think a scum gumshoe would vote anyone this early in the game and breaking down a case like that. Wow, suddenly gumshoe is likely town. After you were suspicious of his vote. A quick shift from the original suspicion. I don't like it. On April 20 2016 09:43 LightningStrike wrote: kinda dislike this post because he blatantly doesn't want to stir up discussion. Nitpicking. You're mafia. - gumshoe On April 20 2016 08:39 gumshoe wrote: you assume I meant it as a joke : P I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice, ! he then wasted a second post saying the same thing / : I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias. 1: it would be fluff (policy lynch) 2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable. Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses. so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia. the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / : also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this, (his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically. new section- why gumshoe is wrong. 1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh 2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce. 3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed. 4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh 5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P overall case stability-3/10 Clearly a post to get discussion going. Town points. On April 20 2016 08:46 gumshoe wrote: admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong, ##unvote this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels. slight townie read (5) Bad backtracking. Do you want or you don't want to have discussion ongoing? It makes me feel you actually wanted to justify your vote to LS instead of just pushing a discussion further. Townie points taken away. Null leaning to scum. On April 20 2016 09:16 gumshoe wrote: -_- bitch, you know how I am speaking of overanalysis I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op slight scum lean. Is this a joke? If it is a joke, you're wasting posts, something you called Damdred out for. Now if you're trying to develop discussion, you're just throwing suspicons everywhere, which isn't really great to be honest. One thing is to find something weak and suspicious and push it mostly for the sake of discussion. Other thing is to put suspicions everywhere, which is really easy to do as mafia. I don't like you in this game, gumshoe :/ - Tumblewood On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote: Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain. I like this questioning very much. Townie points. This is the best I could do. It's from the very beginning of the game. I couldn't go further. Basically, from what I've read, I'm at this point: Damdred DYH Tumblewood gumshoe LightningStrike this whole post is good. yea I want to keep GB around for a while. On April 24 2016 05:05 GlowingBear wrote: 8(?) Tell me the logical basis of "one of the underwhelming players is surely Mafia" Every Mafia member can be active and doing stuff. Being "underwhelming" doesn't necessarily means someone is Mafia. There is no rule that "in every game, there is always an underwhelming Mafia player" This is just an easy excuse to call people Mafia. I want you to give me real reasons to why you think someone is Mafia. I don't even know who this post is talking to but I like it. GB is probably town, or if he's not, a scum taking advantage of a poor town presence a la Artanis in XX. He's worth keeping around for a while because he's the only one actually doing anything besides maybe Koshi and me. I also can't decide which pains me more: to see Koshi wasting posts like this, or to see everyone else be so conservative/AFK when they're never going to hit that 40+5 post cap anyway. This is a dangerously poor town atmosphere that could lead to an easy and unopposed mafia victory like in NSM XX. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Day 2: gumshoe (5) - Tictock, gumshoe, Tumblewood, GlowingBear, HalftheSky, Shapelog (1) - Koshi Tumblewood (0) - Koshi (0) - Not voted (5) - Shapelog, Fidei86, DoYouHas, LightningStrike At the current vote, gumshoe is slated to be lynched. until deadline. | ||
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