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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
##unvote ##vote Fidei I'll sheep Damdred his read on Fidei. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
On April 25 2016 05:24 Fidei86 wrote: There are lots of other points against me - #1 is I have no f'ing idea who I want to vote this evening. Activity could be a thing - I have tons of OGI excuses, but I know those don't carry any weight. Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going? Any reasoning we can have around gum is WIFOMed all to hell. As soon as anyone asks to be lynched they are playing against their win condition. All that is left is whether or not town will do it more often than scum. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On April 25 2016 05:24 DoYouHas wrote: @LS, I would very much like to hear your opinions on Koshi, GB, and HtS. On April 24 2016 03:09 LightningStrike wrote: I think James is town and Koshi too. James is starting to do his own work and Koshi been doing his own things and been kinda active? DYH is null for me he haven't done to much and I being cautious with him because he buddied me so hard in Student Newbie XX at LYLO. Gumshoe's voting reasons for SL seemed weak and he didn't try to push his own case on TT who he thought was scumier but he claimed it was because his computer was acting up. I would think he would try to make a case or at least push his lynch more but he claimed TT did more stuff than him and looked better than him so :\ GB: Maybe Town? He been doing his own thing and tried to pressure people too but I can see a little bit why people having trouble with him but I don't think we should lynch him today. The bolded part on GB. On April 24 2016 07:41 LightningStrike wrote: Koshi been doing his own thing pressuring people and been kind of active. Plus he martyr although kind of anti-town makes it more likely that he is town. In addition Koshi been lynching townies his last few games so it makes sense that he not hardcore pushing people. On Koshi On April 23 2016 08:28 LightningStrike wrote: I honestly might have to reconsider my read on HTS and call (gasp) town mainly because sicklucker voted her with me for really bad reasons I think so it's likely that she's is town and so is Koshi due to sicklucker voting both of them. Idk TW might look worse on that flip and he could of easily bussed sl but idk man. On HTS. Nothing changed on them. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 25 2016 05:24 Fidei86 wrote: There are lots of other points against me - #1 is I have no f'ing idea who I want to vote this evening. Activity could be a thing - I have tons of OGI excuses, but I know those don't carry any weight. Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going? I would if koshi was my scum mate. Though I'ds probs ask him to buss me harder than he is. also can you not start doubting the wagon on me? It makes writing a scum case on you kinda hard T_T | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On April 25 2016 05:27 Koshi wrote: I havent' read gumshoe his big post but it seemed big enough for him to not be mafia. ##unvote ##vote Fidei I'll sheep Damdred his read on Fidei. It's not me. If gumshoe isn't mafia, it's not for his massive WoTs late on. Whoever his scum buddy is could very easily have just gee'd him up to post stuff. Read his post and see what you think. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
Unless those guys are scum together, this makes no sense to me. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On April 25 2016 05:33 Fidei86 wrote: It's not me. If gumshoe isn't mafia, it's not for his massive WoTs late on. Whoever his scum buddy is could very easily have just gee'd him up to post stuff. Read his post and see what you think. I have read it. I don't know if I think GB is mafia. But I now want to lynch into GB or DYH. I don't think 2 townies would want to lynch me. ##unvote ##vote GB This one is fine. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 25 2016 05:29 DoYouHas wrote: Any reasoning we can have around gum is WIFOMed all to hell. As soon as anyone asks to be lynched they are playing against their win condition. All that is left is whether or not town will do it more often than scum. My win condition is for all of scum to die before all of town. There's no rule that states that not getting lynched is my part of my win con, my death may very well benefit town and we still have 2 mislynches even if I die. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
On April 25 2016 05:36 gumshoe wrote: My win condition is for all of scum to die before all of town. There's no rule that states that not getting lynched is my part of my win con, my death may very well benefit town and we still have 2 mislynches even if I die. I don't agree with you. But I like this response. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 25 2016 05:42 Koshi wrote: gumshoe why are you not voting GB after taht entire post you made on him. Looks odd. dramatic effect : P ##unvote | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On April 25 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote: @HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently. I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear. On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Day 2: gumshoe (3) - Tictock, Koshi (2) - GlowingBear (2) - Koshi, gumshoe Shapelog (0) - Tumblewood (0) - Not voted (3) - Shapelog, Fidei86, LightningStrike At the current vote, gumshoe is slated to be lynched. until deadline. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
On April 25 2016 05:45 Half the Sky wrote: 19/40 I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear. On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either. This is what is eating at me. I was convinced Shape was scum. The sl flip made that less likely. I don't want to drop him from my suspect list, especially since he hasn't said a word for a while, but I don't see him being scum with Koshi. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 25 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town i dont know man, you completely let sl go, after bieng the first person to push him, in favour of coming after me and ls / : for pretty terrible reasons I also find it funny how you've never correctly guessed my alignment, yet here you are as certain as ever im scum XD admittedly I did no favours to my credibility, but yeah, you of all people being the one with no doubts as to what I am here does not bode favourably. Makes me wonder who the liability really is if they're town / : (its probs me) | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
(This post is mainly aimed at DYH and GB) On April 25 2016 02:59 GlowingBear wrote: You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe. Gumshoe is basically for the hammer and for the martyring which looks bad imo. I'd expect him to fight his lynch with all his might if he was town. But he isn't. Still, I don't really know if he is scum. I'm really uncomfortable. I still don't trust Koshi. But his explanation to me wasn't that bad. Still, I'd rather prefer his lunch than gunshoe's. I voted more to catch reactions, especially if he was Mafia - I was expecting that Mafia would jump on me for voting gumshoe out of the blue, but it didn't happen. It makes me very uneasy. HTS posts looks convoluted to me. That assumption that there is certainly a Mafia between the underwhelming is very... Suspicious. Especially if DYH is in fact town. Plus, I remember she kinda defended SL when I first called him out? I'm not sure, but it felt she was trying to soft defend him. I'm uncomfortable with DYH. His play in here looks very familiar to the last one where he was Mafia with Artanis. So yes. This is where I'm at. This post is poor and I'll explain why. First paragraph first few sentences are obvious, everyone is concluding the same regarding his votes. However giving up versus not giving up is NAI, martyring is GENERALLY done more by town but that is a weak point in comparison to the rest of his gameplay. The points on me are ignoring the rest of the way in which I'm evaluating people (never mind the fact now I've explained why my posts are deliberately long-winded) (1) VCA (2) associative reads with sicklucker (as in interactions) (3) general thread activity and post to content ratio (4) consistency of scumreads/read progression When subtracting the postgame, we have 25 pages from this game and we're nearing the end of day 2. That is actually pretty horrible even in a post-restricted game - and ergo, it is VERY reasonable to conclude that is possible, even LIKELY that one mafia could be hiding in the thread. The reason I singled you and DYH out was that both of you had the least amount of content, the least going forward, were solo voters, and at the time I made that conclusion your probing was all over the place. (referring to the posts that discussed Koshi/gumshoe/LS but at that time you didn't present any further ideas on them.) So no, my presenting the idea that a mafia (especially when a number of the low-volume posters were ALSO solo voters) has a lower presence somewhere in this game is just the OPPOSITE of scummy. Also the point about defending SL (soft or hard) is completely false. If there was a specific post you wanted to point out, bring it up, I know I queried him, but I always had the door open to lynching him. I also had a concern in post 517 that I'll bring up now again - and I think gumshoe even listed it in his case. Of course I got no feedback on it though. On April 24 2016 01:58 Half the Sky wrote: The biggest indicator of an associative read between GlowingBear and SL might be Day 1, look at how the SL read just DROPS from post 142 to 253 and after. And considering how SL pushed me and that GB didn't put me on his post-lynch suspicion list (recap: it was Koshi/LS/gumshoe), it is quite suspicious. Post requoted: Some feedback on that would be nice. DYH, you said you thought GB was town - what do you think about this plus the case that gumshoe posted? | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On April 25 2016 05:45 Half the Sky wrote: 19/40 I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear. On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either. Do we think Shape's voting exhonerates him? If he were scum, if he'd managed to be on a wagon on scum that then got overtaken by a town wagon, I don't see why you'd then flip onto a town wagon at the last moment. That's just way too much weird play to make sense from a scum perspective. Unfortunately, that also means that DYH's play makes a lot more sense. So I'm at Town: LS, Shape, TW Confused about their voting right now: Koshi, gumshoe No particular reason to lynch: DYH Not scum as not pushing me???: HTS, TT ??? GB | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
If you think were scum, come at us for it, but dont this whole "lol, your so bad at this game your going to get town killed" bullshit. | ||
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