On April 25 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy
Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town
i dont know man, you completely let sl go, after bieng the first person to push him, in favour of coming after me and ls / : for pretty terrible reasons
I also find it funny how you've never correctly guessed my alignment, yet here you are as certain as ever im scum XD admittedly I did no favours to my credibility, but yeah, you of all people being the one with no doubts as to what I am here does not bode favourably.
Makes me wonder who the liability really is if they're town / : (its probs me)
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As you can see, I'm not voting you. I'm voting Koshi. I've always said I'm uncertain of your alignment and I said my vote on you was basically reaction.
I prefer to vote Koshi before you. I may prefer to vote HTS before you. But if I or other person is about to be lynched, I'll hammer you.
Actually, I won't be here in 1 hour from now because I'll be working. So... Yeah.
On April 25 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote: @HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently.
I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear.
On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either.
This is what is eating at me. I was convinced Shape was scum. The sl flip made that less likely. I don't want to drop him from my suspect list, especially since he hasn't said a word for a while, but I don't see him being scum with Koshi.
Lord this is a good point. I might have to start using a spreadsheet at this rate.
The main thing that troubles me about you tbh is you have said a lot about Shape and Koshi (and exclusively Shape most of the game), but little on some of the others save that one list post. If you are town and you are wrong on either one of them, you are effectively giving Tictock, GB, even LS (from your latest perspective) a free pass.
If you are mafia, you are doing a good job of just staying out of suspicion and keeping attention off the right people.
On April 25 2016 05:52 gumshoe wrote: also gb can you not insult a player for his play, koshi thinks your scum, so what? You know hes a smart player, regardless of what alignment ether of you are doesn't give you the right to be rude to people for playing the game in the way they think is right.
If you think were scum, come at us for it, but dont this whole "lol, your so bad at this game your going to get town killed" bullshit.
Gumshoe, why are you saying I'm being rude? I've said Koshi's play in this game is a liability to town because it makes no sense. By no means I'm trying to insult him. Actually, I admire his plays, usually. Which means I'd expect more from him.
I've already said why I think Koshi may be Mafia. It's because his thought process is unclear. He says he thinks you look bad, but votes shape for being underwhelming. But he ignored everyone who was underwhelming, why focusing on shape? Why not simply voting you?
If you read what I've wrote on you you'll understand
(1) Organic read on sicklucker (post 538) (2) Voting
Points against Shapelog
(1) Koshi's argument that his posting doesn't "scream" town
On April 24 2016 05:14 Koshi wrote:
I have no real reasons to think he is mafia except for the fact he is not really town and there is no real townie anything coming from him. Which I had 2 games ago when he was town. And didn't have when he was mafia. He just looks town by game events when he is mafia. And is town by his posting when he is town.
So what is the real reason you're voting Shape? Is that because he looks underwhelming or because of that bad meta?
Also, you said you're also voting Shape because people are pretty townie to you. So how am I "meh"? Why are you not willing to vote me? Isn't "meh" basically "underwhelming"? Which means there are more underwhelming people in the game by your own standards. So why going against Shapelog, who actually posted a lot Day1? By normal standards, I am kinda underwhelming this game based on my inactivity (and I'm inactive because I've been busy), DYH is also underwhelming. Why are you not talking about them? Why didn't you lynch SL who was pretty much underwhelming day1? Why did you pressured people asking them "why aren't you voting SL"?
Well imo Shape is underwhelming and explained the meta read on him. The reason I say he looks ok this game is because he has the vote on sicklucker in his back pocket.
But pure based on his posting I think he easily could be mafia. I don't understand what the inconsistency is. I think Shape is not his townie self (and it has nothing to do with spamming and post restrictions), and I think it could indicate him being mafia in this game and just not being able to give a fuck. I don't know about this other game he is playing in but clearly he made a mistake signing up for this one or he cba to figure out this one.
I don't know what the fuck you are doing. But my guts say that you can be like this as town, and for shape it is less likely. That's why my vote was on him. All that being said. I have not the will to push anything in this game. I am now officially observing while being ingame.
To be fair, no one plays a "perfect" town game, but in the following post, Koshi seems to be making a meta (???) based argument. On this game alone, I feel the voting should give him a pass.
On April 25 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote: @HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently.
I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear.
On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either.
Do we think Shape's voting exhonerates him? If he were scum, if he'd managed to be on a wagon on scum that then got overtaken by a town wagon, I don't see why you'd then flip onto a town wagon at the last moment. That's just way too much weird play to make sense from a scum perspective.
Unfortunately, that also means that DYH's play makes a lot more sense.
So I'm at
Town: LS, Shape, TW Confused about their voting right now: Koshi, gumshoe No particular reason to lynch: DYH Not scum as not pushing me???: HTS, TT ??? GB
On April 25 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote: @HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently.
I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear.
On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either.
This is what is eating at me. I was convinced Shape was scum. The sl flip made that less likely. I don't want to drop him from my suspect list, especially since he hasn't said a word for a while, but I don't see him being scum with Koshi.
Lord this is a good point. I might have to start using a spreadsheet at this rate.
The main thing that troubles me about you tbh is you have said a lot about Shape and Koshi (and exclusively Shape most of the game), but little on some of the others save that one list post. If you are town and you are wrong on either one of them, you are effectively giving Tictock, GB, even LS (from your latest perspective) a free pass.
If you are mafia, you are doing a good job of just staying out of suspicion and keeping attention off the right people.
I have been giving TT a free pass unfortunately. He just hasn't drawn my attention much. LS confuses me at the moment, which is why I asked him those questions. He isn't comfortable with a gum lynch, he leans town on GB, he leans town on Koshi, he leans town on you. There is a lack of evolving reads around some of the most polarizing players in the game ATM.
I just think you are wrong on GB, though I'm giving your and gum's points a harder look to see if I can justify my read against them.
On April 25 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy
Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town
i dont know man, you completely let sl go, after bieng the first person to push him, in favour of coming after me and ls / : for pretty terrible reasons
I also find it funny how you've never correctly guessed my alignment, yet here you are as certain as ever im scum XD admittedly I did no favours to my credibility, but yeah, you of all people being the one with no doubts as to what I am here does not bode favourably.
Makes me wonder who the liability really is if they're town / : (its probs me)
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As you can see, I'm not voting you. I'm voting Koshi. I've always said I'm uncertain of your alignment and I said my vote on you was basically reaction.
I prefer to vote Koshi before you. I may prefer to vote HTS before you. But if I or other person is about to be lynched, I'll hammer you.
Actually, I won't be here in 1 hour from now because I'll be working. So... Yeah.
umm you sure about that?
Is this a joke? If it is a joke, you're wasting posts, something you called Damdred out for. Now if you're trying to develop discussion, you're just throwing suspicons everywhere, which isn't really great to be honest. One thing is to find something weak and suspicious and push it mostly for the sake of discussion. Other thing is to put suspicions everywhere, which is really easy to do as mafia. I don't like you in this game, gumshoe :/
Damdred DYH Tumblewood
gumshoe LightningStrike
(me in red with ls)
I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree?
You're not going with the flow, you're voting Shapelog when people are highly suspicious of gumshoe.
Gumshoe are you there? I want to ask you a few questions.
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Actually it was nothing, I was just checking if you were looking at the thread but not doing nothing to fight your lynch. Thank you for your attention.
you scum reading me is one of the most consistent parts of your play 0_0 hell your attack on koshi for the past while has been based off him bieng unwilling to vote me, which suggests you think were scum together.
Why would koshi not be ecstatic of about my mislynch if I was town? How can you claim one of us is scum and be unsure about the other when your association read between us features so prominently in your arguments?
On April 25 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy
Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town
i dont know man, you completely let sl go, after bieng the first person to push him, in favour of coming after me and ls / : for pretty terrible reasons
I also find it funny how you've never correctly guessed my alignment, yet here you are as certain as ever im scum XD admittedly I did no favours to my credibility, but yeah, you of all people being the one with no doubts as to what I am here does not bode favourably.
Makes me wonder who the liability really is if they're town / : (its probs me)
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As you can see, I'm not voting you. I'm voting Koshi. I've always said I'm uncertain of your alignment and I said my vote on you was basically reaction.
I prefer to vote Koshi before you. I may prefer to vote HTS before you. But if I or other person is about to be lynched, I'll hammer you.
Actually, I won't be here in 1 hour from now because I'll be working. So... Yeah.
Is this a joke? If it is a joke, you're wasting posts, something you called Damdred out for. Now if you're trying to develop discussion, you're just throwing suspicons everywhere, which isn't really great to be honest. One thing is to find something weak and suspicious and push it mostly for the sake of discussion. Other thing is to put suspicions everywhere, which is really easy to do as mafia. I don't like you in this game, gumshoe :/
Actually it was nothing, I was just checking if you were looking at the thread but not doing nothing to fight your lynch. Thank you for your attention.
you scum reading me is one of the most consistent parts of your play 0_0 hell your attack on koshi for the past while has been based off him bieng unwilling to vote me, which suggests you think were scum together.
Why would koshi not be ecstatic of about my mislynch if I was town? How can you claim one of us is scum and be unsure about the other when your association read between us features so prominently in your arguments?
Dude, I've just said I was uncomfortable with your lynch. I've never said you're not Mafia, I've said I'm not sure you're Mafia and that there are other people I'd rather lynch like Koshi and HTS.
My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him
On April 25 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy
Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town
i dont know man, you completely let sl go, after bieng the first person to push him, in favour of coming after me and ls / : for pretty terrible reasons
I also find it funny how you've never correctly guessed my alignment, yet here you are as certain as ever im scum XD admittedly I did no favours to my credibility, but yeah, you of all people being the one with no doubts as to what I am here does not bode favourably.
Makes me wonder who the liability really is if they're town / : (its probs me)
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As you can see, I'm not voting you. I'm voting Koshi. I've always said I'm uncertain of your alignment and I said my vote on you was basically reaction.
I prefer to vote Koshi before you. I may prefer to vote HTS before you. But if I or other person is about to be lynched, I'll hammer you.
Actually, I won't be here in 1 hour from now because I'll be working. So... Yeah.
umm you sure about that?
Is this a joke? If it is a joke, you're wasting posts, something you called Damdred out for. Now if you're trying to develop discussion, you're just throwing suspicons everywhere, which isn't really great to be honest. One thing is to find something weak and suspicious and push it mostly for the sake of discussion. Other thing is to put suspicions everywhere, which is really easy to do as mafia. I don't like you in this game, gumshoe :/
Damdred DYH Tumblewood
gumshoe LightningStrike
(me in red with ls)
I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree?
You're not going with the flow, you're voting Shapelog when people are highly suspicious of gumshoe.
Gumshoe are you there? I want to ask you a few questions.
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Actually it was nothing, I was just checking if you were looking at the thread but not doing nothing to fight your lynch. Thank you for your attention.
you scum reading me is one of the most consistent parts of your play 0_0 hell your attack on koshi for the past while has been based off him bieng unwilling to vote me, which suggests you think were scum together.
Why would koshi not be ecstatic of about my mislynch if I was town? How can you claim one of us is scum and be unsure about the other when your association read between us features so prominently in your arguments?
Dude, I've just said I was uncomfortable with your lynch. I've never said you're not Mafia, I've said I'm not sure you're Mafia and that there are other people I'd rather lynch like Koshi and HTS.
My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him
I can put you in thread with in 20 minutes of damdred wanting to kill sl (who was totally willing to kill him)
m not sure everyone is still super spread out.
I 100% think we need,to consolidate on a lynch make reasoning known and no shenanigans.
I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.
you show up 20 min after that post to remark how terrible the lynch that damred (who you think is so great) switched over to. Even though you had never once posted about ff till then (except to remark how scummy koshi is)
The window is small enough that we cannot rule out you bieng fully aware of the sl switch, and not going with it.
Also reads dont just disapear, they linger, and theres no reason to keep townreading sl because dam said so, as damm was totes wrong about ff (a sin you condemned koshi for)
also you dont get to post as much you have about me and base an ascociation read regarding koshi that requires me to be scum, without being sure im scum in the first place, which of course your not because im not scum : P
So yeah, just caught gb lying, Damdred was pretty confident gb was scum within 20 minutes of gb entering thread to talk about how bad the lynch was ( all while having never said anything about ff all game)
The lie is so blatant, and so contorted to explain his actions, that given the current total lack of an excuse for it (which he should be making any second now) it would be pretty derp to lynch him for it.
Hmm interesting point you made gum but meh kinda want to lynch into him and DYH but I think it's DYH out of the 2 of them. But idk how many people are willing to lynch him over GB.
Why do you think it's DYH? He can't be accused of flooding the thread, but the thing I was really concerned about (his flip on Shape) actually makes a bunch of sense considering Shape's voting.
On April 25 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy
Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town
lol "if I am town"
You have been calling me mafia for the entire game. And now I need to die because "I am a liability"
On April 25 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy
Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town
i dont know man, you completely let sl go, after bieng the first person to push him, in favour of coming after me and ls / : for pretty terrible reasons
I also find it funny how you've never correctly guessed my alignment, yet here you are as certain as ever im scum XD admittedly I did no favours to my credibility, but yeah, you of all people being the one with no doubts as to what I am here does not bode favourably.
Makes me wonder who the liability really is if they're town / : (its probs me)
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As you can see, I'm not voting you. I'm voting Koshi. I've always said I'm uncertain of your alignment and I said my vote on you was basically reaction.
I prefer to vote Koshi before you. I may prefer to vote HTS before you. But if I or other person is about to be lynched, I'll hammer you.
Actually, I won't be here in 1 hour from now because I'll be working. So... Yeah.
umm you sure about that?
Is this a joke? If it is a joke, you're wasting posts, something you called Damdred out for. Now if you're trying to develop discussion, you're just throwing suspicons everywhere, which isn't really great to be honest. One thing is to find something weak and suspicious and push it mostly for the sake of discussion. Other thing is to put suspicions everywhere, which is really easy to do as mafia. I don't like you in this game, gumshoe :/
Damdred DYH Tumblewood
gumshoe LightningStrike
(me in red with ls)
I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree?
You're not going with the flow, you're voting Shapelog when people are highly suspicious of gumshoe.
Gumshoe are you there? I want to ask you a few questions.
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Actually it was nothing, I was just checking if you were looking at the thread but not doing nothing to fight your lynch. Thank you for your attention.
you scum reading me is one of the most consistent parts of your play 0_0 hell your attack on koshi for the past while has been based off him bieng unwilling to vote me, which suggests you think were scum together.
Why would koshi not be ecstatic of about my mislynch if I was town? How can you claim one of us is scum and be unsure about the other when your association read between us features so prominently in your arguments?
Dude, I've just said I was uncomfortable with your lynch. I've never said you're not Mafia, I've said I'm not sure you're Mafia and that there are other people I'd rather lynch like Koshi and HTS.
My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him
I can put you in thread with in 20 minutes of damdred wanting to kill sl (who was totally willing to kill him)
I 100% think we need,to consolidate on a lynch make reasoning known and no shenanigans.
I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.
you show up 20 min after that post to remark how terrible the lynch that damred (who you think is so great) switched over to. Even though you had never once posted about ff till then (except to remark how scummy koshi is)
The window is small enough that we cannot rule out you bieng fully aware of the sl switch, and not going with it.
Also reads dont just disapear, they linger, and theres no reason to keep townreading sl because dam said so, as damm was totes wrong about ff (a sin you condemned koshi for)
also you dont get to post as much you have about me and base an ascociation read regarding koshi that requires me to be scum, without being sure im scum in the first place, which of course your not because im not scum : P
Stop misrepresenting me. I've never made a single association in my case. I've said Koshi's thought process is nebulous regardless of your alignment.
Your attempt to discredit me is pissing me off and I'm starting to get tempted to lynch you instead of anyone else
On April 25 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote: Hmm interesting point you made gum but meh kinda want to lynch into him and DYH but I think it's DYH out of the 2 of them. But idk how many people are willing to lynch him over GB.
I mean, he just lied mang / : or at least he accidentally fudged the truth in an extreme/highly coincidental manner that just so happens to exonerate him for his scummy actions.
We all talk eachothers ears off about scum slips, and whats correct or wrong or right or townie.
But you cannot reasonably ask for more than what just happened / :
On April 25 2016 06:35 Fidei86 wrote: Why do you think it's DYH? He can't be accused of flooding the thread, but the thing I was really concerned about (his flip on Shape) actually makes a bunch of sense considering Shape's voting.
On April 25 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote: Hmm interesting point you made gum but meh kinda want to lynch into him and DYH but I think it's DYH out of the 2 of them. But idk how many people are willing to lynch him over GB.
I mean, he just lied mang / : or at least he accidentally fudged the truth in an extreme/highly coincidental manner that just so happens to exonerate him for his scummy actions.
We all talk eachothers ears off about scum slips, and whats correct or wrong or right or townie.
But you cannot reasonably ask for more than what just happened / :
I seen him do that before as town(I think he did in Student Newbie XX when he got lynched by Artanis(scum))
LS if you mislynch me one more time I will never play with you again.
Gumshoe, I think you might be Mafia and I felt uneasy about your alignment after considering how your lunch was unfolding. I don't understand why you think I'm lying.
Well like I said, there is 1 mafia between DYH and GB and I don't know who it is.
I am voting GB because 1) Damdred reads (which I will always keep in my back head cuz I suck) 2) DYH had some reasons to be town, I remember voting him D1 and there were a bunch of people saying he did something townie. I don't remember who. But there was 1 post I thought was townie
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