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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 17 2016 17:22 GMT
#27
/in
Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 19 2016 23:00 GMT
#85
Huzzah, town this time.

It amuses me to see you all worried at the cap. To you it is a limit to be minded. To me it is a aspiration . You are all merely adopting low activity for a game. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see spam till I was nearly a man and by then it was naught to me but fluff.

-
Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 19 2016 23:11 GMT
#87
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.

Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.

Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 21 2016 04:20 GMT
#214
Caught up. I'll filter dive tomorrow to really start sorting people before the deadline.

HtS is my top town read. I really liked how she pursued her scumleans on LS and TW. She kept talking to them. She wasn't trying to convince them that they were scum, but she was trying to get more information out of them. Implies to me that she cares more about solving than displaying her stances.

Shape is the person I'm most suspicious of, doesn't seem to be doing much and his posts are overly self-conscious, especially for someone that hasn't been seriously pressured yet.

I'm a little worried about Damdred. He was very quick to help Koshi against HtS and seemed like he dropped the pressure as soon as Koshi(who I'm leaning town on) wasn't leading the charge anymore.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 21 2016 04:27 GMT
#215
Actually, I want to revise what I said about Shape. It isn't so much that he is self-conscious. It is more that he is just talking about himself a lot, even after the beginning posts.

Filtering LS to see if I want to sheep HtS.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 21 2016 04:40 GMT
#216
I can see the scumminess in his reaction to HtS and in his opening. However,

@LS - What is your read on TT? You went out of your way to defend TW after TT's voting post. Do you have a better reason to scum HtS other than she is pushing you and is capable of a high-effort scum game?
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 21 2016 21:55 GMT
#312
@koshi, Shape talking about himself a bunch while not being productive is indicative of a scum mindset. It implies that he is worried about how the thread is perceiving him, which is more likely to come from scum.

@the rest of you, Shape's read on me is seriously suspicious:
On April 22 2016 01:10 Shapelog wrote:

DYH: Nothing I am seeing is making think he is town or scum. The sheeping thing caught my eye, but makes sense if HTS is his top town read. Would like to see more out of him. Also his opinion on LS, since LS is the main one pushing Sky, his top town read.

I had just put suspicion on him, my doing so became a point of contention between HtS and Koshi(his top town read). He glazes over my pressure. His entire list post is yelling, "your right DYH, I'm going to fix what you just attacked me for". Which would be all well and good, but then I wouldn't be null to him. I would be scum pushing a bad wagon or I would be misguided town that should be reasoned with.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 21 2016 22:00 GMT
#317
@HtS - I agree with your points against LS. However, the green flag in his play is his defending of TW against TT. I am struggling to see scum not defend themselves or find some new scummy things to push and instead defend a townread against apparently another townread. I could consolidate on LS, but I'm uncertain enough that he isn't my top lynch priority.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 21 2016 22:28 GMT
#382
There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 21 2016 22:38 GMT
#402
Hmmm, expect a WoT from me before this night is out. I have a lot of rereading to do.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 22 2016 22:28 GMT
#458
Shape - We'll be getting into this more today, but my original reasons for voting him are still good and he is likely scum.

Koshi - I want to say Koshi's active and aggressive style is town. But he jumped up and down on me for valid points against Shape. He jumped up and down on HtS for the null read of FF while ignoring things I thought pointed to her being town. I don't think we get into the EoD we had without at least 1 scum in the movers and shakers. (Koshi, HtS, Damd, and maybe TT) Koshi pushed the lynch of 2 town for sure and probably 3. He is attacking town, leading lynches on town and after being proven wrong on FF he still wants to off HtS instead of stepping back and reassessing. Thinking he could be scum.

HTS - She seems focused and productive. I like the way she pursued her scumreads on LS and TW early. She isn't getting mad at all the pressure thrown her way, trying to talk to people. Last time I caught her as scum she used her higher activity to spread suspicion on lots of the town and then letting others take up her ideas and run with them. She isn't doing that here. Only her EoD vote leaves doubt for me. According to NM HtS voting off her main targets to lynch someone scumming her is a big tell. I'm still going with my gut and thinking she is town.

Fid - I'm pretty familiar with Fid's scum game. I don't think this is it. Scum fid would be even less active than he has been here. He wouldn't be shying away from getting into it with LS like we are seeing here. The well-documented troubles that Fid has with LS would be a great excuse to fake activity without producing content. I also don't think we would see that drunk post from scum Fid.

SL - I'm putting off making a decision on him. I don't have strong feelings either way and he promised more activity today.

Damdred - Cautiously optimistic.

Gumshoe - Cautiously optimistic.

LS - dunno

TW, GB, TT havent gotten to yet
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 22 2016 22:31 GMT
#462
Huzzah!
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 23 2016 23:49 GMT
#567
Hey guys, this is/has been a very busy Sat. for me. I'm going to get back into it tomorrow.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 24 2016 19:56 GMT
#587
I get the reasons why gum is a good lynch, I agree with them, but I would rather lynch Koshi.

+ Show Spoiler [GB's case] +
On April 24 2016 06:10 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
I have no real reasons to think he is mafia except for the fact he is not really town and there is no real townie anything coming from him. Which I had 2 games ago when he was town. And didn't have when he was mafia. He just looks town by game events when he is mafia. And is town by his posting when he is town.


Well, you can't really tell someone is town by his way of posting when you're playing a post-restricted game. You're basically said he looks town by game events and that makes him mafia (so, meta-read). But you've just posted this:

Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 04:19 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Shape

Underwhelming. I am also thinking people are pretty townie.


So what is the real reason you're voting Shape? Is that because he looks underwhelming or because of that bad meta?

Also, you said you're also voting Shape because people are pretty townie to you. So how am I "meh"? Why are you not willing to vote me? Isn't "meh" basically "underwhelming"?
Which means there are more underwhelming people in the game by your own standards. So why going against Shapelog, who actually posted a lot Day1?
By normal standards, I am kinda underwhelming this game based on my inactivity (and I'm inactive because I've been busy), DYH is also underwhelming. Why are you not talking about them? Why didn't you lynch SL who was pretty much underwhelming day1? Why did you pressured people asking them "why aren't you voting SL"?

Also, are you sure you find people townie? :

Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 21:33 Koshi wrote:
Man looking at this vote count this looks pretty bad for me. Sicklucker was not lynched due to these people:

2316, or 14m to EoD - gumshoe effectively hammers FF

Fecalfeast (4) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe
Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood

2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF

Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker
Sicklucker (1) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Koshi (0) - sicklucker


now with tumble town and me being town that looks somewhat really bad for gum.

I can't think for shit atm so I will just wait till I got some time to look into this. I guess I got to look into gum (which I found really fishy early, not the same as how he opened in the numbered game but he tried to look the same, which makes it suspicious). And then I got to look into hts and see if she was setting up this tumble ml. Would be impressive.


So if gumshoe is looking bad... how are you townreading everyone? Why aren't you pressuring/voting gumshoe WHO IS LOOKING BAD instead of simply voting Shapelog who has been UNDERWHELMING?

See, Koshi, your thought process isn't clear. It looks like you throw thoughts out of the blue without any kind of consistency. You're following your own agenda. That's why I think you're mafia.


+ Show Spoiler +
On April 23 2016 07:28 DoYouHas wrote:

Koshi - I want to say Koshi's active and aggressive style is town. But he jumped up and down on me for valid points against Shape. He jumped up and down on HtS for the null read of FF while ignoring things I thought pointed to her being town. I don't think we get into the EoD we had without at least 1 scum in the movers and shakers. (Koshi, HtS, Damd, and maybe TT) Koshi pushed the lynch of 2 town for sure and probably 3. He is attacking town, leading lynches on town and after being proven wrong on FF he still wants to off HtS instead of stepping back and reassessing. Thinking he could be scum.


Koshi led the wagon off of SL, attacks town all of day 1, and is very inconsistent day 2. He is pushing a scum agenda.

##Vote: Koshi
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 24 2016 19:58 GMT
#588
@HtS - I agree that Shape's vote makes him less likely mafia.

GB is solidly in the town column for me after his case on Koshi.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 24 2016 20:06 GMT
#594
On April 25 2016 05:00 gumshoe wrote:
I'll consent to lynching fedie or gb, otherwise it's better to just kill me (the scummiest townie) cause I don't see a red flip coming from anyone else.


You just listed two people I think are town. Aggression is not exclusively a townie trait and it doesn't make Koshi town.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 24 2016 20:08 GMT
#595
But whatever, I'm not going to defend you. I just think you are less likely to flip scum than someone actually pushing an anti-town agenda.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 24 2016 20:15 GMT
#597
@HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 24 2016 20:24 GMT
#599
@LS, I would very much like to hear your opinions on Koshi, GB, and HtS.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 24 2016 20:29 GMT
#603
On April 25 2016 05:24 Fidei86 wrote:
There are lots of other points against me - #1 is I have no f'ing idea who I want to vote this evening. Activity could be a thing - I have tons of OGI excuses, but I know those don't carry any weight.

Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going?


Any reasoning we can have around gum is WIFOMed all to hell. As soon as anyone asks to be lynched they are playing against their win condition. All that is left is whether or not town will do it more often than scum.
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