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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
I could still EASILY be mafia with sl. Dnu why I wouldn't. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Seriously I can't believe it's Tumblewood, I think Tumbleweed because I think of the balls of grass that roll on the plain... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumbleweed ![[image loading]](http://scienceline.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/multtumbleweed-640x464.jpg) Back on point, I'm going to try and reconstruct the votes. Vote Reconstruction 2124, approx 2h prior to EoD On April 22 2016 05:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: LightningStrike (2) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear DoYouHas (2) - Koshi, Tumblewood Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Koshi (1) - sicklucker Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 Not voted (5) - Shapelog, DoYouHas, Damdred, gumshoe, Fecalfeast 2244, approx 45m prior to EoD - sicklucker was the hammer On April 22 2016 06:44 Hapahauli wrote: Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog LightningStrike (2) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear DoYouHas (2) - Koshi, Tumblewood Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Koshi (1) - sicklucker Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (1) - Gumshoe Not Voting (1) - DoYouHas 2315, or 15m to EoD - sickucker STILL the lynch with most votes DISCLAIMER: I reconstructed from here on out with strikethroughs this vote from the voting thread - call me out if I've made a mistake. Sicklucker (4) - FecalFeast, Fecalfeast (3) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Koshi (1) - sicklucker Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas DoYouHas (0) - 2316, or 14m to EoD - gumshoe effectively hammers FF Fecalfeast (4) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Koshi (1) - sicklucker Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas DoYouHas (0) - 2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker Sicklucker (1) - LightningStrike (1) - Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast DoYouHas (0) - Koshi (0) - 2330 - End of Day 1 Fecalfeast (5) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, Sicklucker (1) - LightningStrike (1) - Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast Koshi (1) - DoYouHas (0) - Observations: (1) Look at how Koshi and Tumbleweed vote together, between DYH and FF. It looks weird. I know it's associative but I can't help it, especially when Koshi was light on SL. (2) gumshoe is more likely to be mafia for his switch to FF - this is PURELY on the votes though and not taking into account his gameplay. But voting alone it makes him look worse. (3) Shapelog is more probable town since he was on SL the longest. Additionally my suspected scum Tumble cast a negative light on all three of us at the tail of the FF lynch so maybe it's possible we're all town here. (4) Fidei and GB are coinflips based on how they played the lynch. (5) If Tumbleweed flips mafia as I would expect, then Tictock is likely town. If Tumbleweed and sicklucker are both mafia, then I will go as far to say Koshi is the final mafia. There is a very strong association and Koshi's defence of sicklucker was too scummy to be scum. For postgame cred: Koshi/Tumbleweed/sicklucker It would make sense given Koshi's selective reasoning Day 1, and how he was pushing mostly if not all townies left right and centre, didn't bring up Tumbleweed at all Day 1. If Koshi is town, then mafia are in GB/Fidei with a VERY outside shot of Shapelog or DYH. Thoughts? Discussion? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On April 23 2016 08:05 Fidei86 wrote: SL's filter goes very bizarrely with HTS being scum. Are you tinfoiling? If not, why? On April 23 2016 08:13 Shapelog wrote: Hts, I don't understand the associative read in some places. Primary The first 2 really aren't associative with SL at all really IMO. They are calling FF out on something that I am guessing TW missed while reading FF. (this is after the read list via time stamp) I understand #315 and the last. The last two is kinda weird on themselves. (the change) I can kinda understand Tumble also about the opinion on FF part. I feel he said that because people were calling him scum for things at the time (while SL wasn't heavily talked about) and he felt like he should have a opinion on him. have to relook though. Regarding your question it's an issue of double standards. It's not the same EXACT reason he used for scumreading both, but he could have easily said "omg sicklucker is STILL useless - let's vote him instead!!!!" I might not be articulating it well but you have to take his entire read progression as a whole to kinda grasp what I'm driving at. He showed preference towards FF in the lynch over sicklucker. We now know the alignment of both. That is really what I'm trying to say. Ah, and whoever the vigilante is, I could kiss you right now. You've made town's lives shittonne easier. <3 <3 <3 <3 | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On April 23 2016 08:31 Koshi wrote: dnu. sicklucker might vote for hts as scumbuddies there. He dares to buss. But I think HTS is pretty much in the clear for her play right before and after deadline. I could still EASILY be mafia with sl. Dnu why I wouldn't. And I wasn't before? Do I smell appeasement? On April 22 2016 07:10 Koshi wrote: Are we lynching HTS? I am up for it. On April 22 2016 07:36 Koshi wrote: Meh. Should have went for HtS instead. Oh well. On April 23 2016 06:51 Koshi wrote: If I reread I am pretty sure I can find 4 people I solely want to lynch within. Had a good feeling before the lynch. But meh. I need to AFK. Probably it for me tonight. Scant time Saturday, I'll rove on mobile, but definitely around Sunday. Good night. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On April 23 2016 07:31 LightningStrike wrote: Yay we killed a scum and why in the hell did we save mafia Day 1 o.o Okay Vig you need to claim your shot. Is this remark too good? I actually didn't know there were so many votes on sl till I saw that post from HTS. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
Thoughts having just skimmed to catchup: I'm sure Damdred was shot due to him being like the only person to try and organize town EoD, and for almost getting SL lynched. I wouldn't link him being shot to his reads being particularly great (not saying they were bad, just disagreeing that his death means anything about his scumreads). Besides I really feel like HtS is town, the way she jumped on the VCA and associative reads (which look fairly solid at a glace, but I want to look at on my own) looks exactly like an excited town taking off with the new info from the flips. Also the way votes went down makes her pretty likely to be town. It would be a pretty weird time for scum!HtS and SL to double buss. I'm liking Fidei a lot less, he's throwing out really weak associative stuff. On April 23 2016 07:07 Fidei86 wrote: TT is scum, I think. This post is beyond Derp. I'm reading on a train with spotty reception so may not be able to post. If I die I strongly suggest you lynch TT. But if Dani doesn't die by day 3, it's probably her. What about that post makes me mafia Fidei? Re: HtS's proposed scumteam. I could tinfoil Koshi being scum this game (his reaction to my first real post and subsiquent adopting my posts formatting did give me a weak buddying vibe), but I doubt it. Fidei and Gum are much more sus than Koshi to me atm who would have to have suddenly gotten extremely good at mimiking his town play as scum if he is scum here. Gum I think looks worse not only for hammering FF, but also kus I am kinda tinfoiling his "slip of the fingers" vote on SL to be distancing or just wanting to have a vote on SL on the books in case he ever flipped. I also still find it pretty odd how he came into the game near EoD with a semi-case and seemingly strong scumread on me then just rode Damdred's heels all EoD. I'll also note that this scumread has prettymuch evaporated since then even though he was saying the only reason he didn't push it harder EoD was due to being on mobile. None of his posts since then seem to have any interest in pushing me or reevaluating me based on EoD. I'm putting my vote on Tumble again, nothing has changed my opinion on him and I thought his posts after the flip were shit (look at Damdred's and HtS's posts if you want good reasons as to why they were bad). The association thing HtS points out looks kinda weak in that post whe was pointing out, but when you also note that Tumble avoided the SL wagon when it was forming and instead went for FF (voted a null read over a scum read) it looks pretty solid. + Show Spoiler + Sorry HtS if that was your point and I just missed it while skimming I have a pretty strong feeling that the last scummers are in Tumble/Gum/Fidei right now. Oh and I almost forgot, but I think SL flipping red makes GB town. GB was pretty focused on SL and SL's reaction to his push didn't look like mafia talking to mafia. I could prob tinfoil SL just telling his team to buss him right off the bat this game since he was pretty clearly not making much effort, but I prob wouldn't worry about that unless more than one of my scumreads flip green. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On April 23 2016 09:07 Koshi wrote: Is this remark too good? I actually didn't know there were so many votes on sl till I saw that post from HTS. Well the reasons for switching from Sicklucker to FF seemed weird tbh that why I am questioning it now. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
So scum must have ether a) been actively jeopardized by him enough they risked the shot or b) saw that he was so off the trail they figured killing him would further their cause and remove a solid townie at the same time. This of course pertains to the alignment of one tumble weed, damdreds prime case and the reason I assume for the risky shot onto him. Going by the effective case work so far deaddam and liveskies and the type of scum team the death of sl seems to imply we're dealing with, I think the obvious reasoning of starlord being shot to buy some space for a reeling scum team seems fair. So yeah I see no reason to get fancy, I'll take a tumble today. ##vote tumble | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [proof] + On April 22 2016 06:59 Tumblewood wrote: Voting sicklucker? I don't know why everyone switched all of a sudden. Going now but will be back just before deadline. On April 22 2016 07:40 Tumblewood wrote: NO gdi why did you all sheep me. Told you not to but you just wouldn't listen. Shape/hts/gum on the tail end of the wagon... Usually i'd say there's one scum on the wagon but there might be two. Running out of phone battery though but will definitely be here before EoN1 (probably tonight though) On April 23 2016 06:54 Tumblewood wrote: Don't care about conserving posts because I have so many right now. Even with one post per two minutes they wouldn't run out by eon anyway SL is probably the one looking weirdest to me atm damdred looking even stronger gumshoe is looking a little better on mobile, will be useful tomorrow though amazing how inconsistent one's capitalization can get without anyone noticing damn it's going to be nice to be a potential nightkill for once | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
##Unvote TumbleDood Although I'm mildly upset that his means I should relook at things. .... Well I should but I'm just gunna vote gum. This kinda reeks of TMI and mafia sided thinking. On April 23 2016 11:43 gumshoe wrote: Welp the Damdred shot was pretty peculiar, he want giving off any blue vibes and he was also super active/trd. Which meant he was likely to be healed. So scum must have ether a) been actively jeopardized by him enough they risked the shot or b) saw that he was so off the trail they figured killing him would further their cause and remove a solid townie at the same time. This of course pertains to the alignment of one tumble weed, damdreds prime case and the reason I assume for the risky shot onto him. Going by the effective case work so far deaddam and liveskies and the type of scum team the death of sl seems to imply we're dealing with, I think the obvious reasoning of starlord being shot to buy some space for a reeling scum team seems fair. So yeah I see no reason to get fancy, I'll take a tumble today. ##vote tumble Mafia sided thinking here in Bold. Evaluating Blueness of Damdred and focused on potential of KP blocking. I also don't like the type of scum team the death of SL seems to imply... as part of the reason why he wanted to lynch tumble.Plus I already pointed out how Gum was lapdogging towards Damdred EoD so him doing it again here doesn't impress. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 23 2016 11:59 Tumblewood wrote: I like HtS's associative D1 reads post, but besides that I hate to inform you that you're not lynching me today no matter how shitty or lazy my play is. + Show Spoiler [proof] + On April 22 2016 06:59 Tumblewood wrote: Voting sicklucker? I don't know why everyone switched all of a sudden. Going now but will be back just before deadline. On April 22 2016 07:40 Tumblewood wrote: NO gdi why did you all sheep me. Told you not to but you just wouldn't listen. Shape/hts/gum on the tail end of the wagon... Usually i'd say there's one scum on the wagon but there might be two. Running out of phone battery though but will definitely be here before EoN1 (probably tonight though) On April 23 2016 06:54 Tumblewood wrote: Don't care about conserving posts because I have so many right now. Even with one post per two minutes they wouldn't run out by eon anyway SL is probably the one looking weirdest to me atm damdred looking even stronger gumshoe is looking a little better on mobile, will be useful tomorrow though amazing how inconsistent one's capitalization can get without anyone noticing damn it's going to be nice to be a potential nightkill for once Umahgod that's amazing, your incredible and I look so baaaaads XD kill me now plox, I'll just put out some reads before I die and it'll be ok. Seriously I could not have fucked up worse, just just put me out of my misery please. ##unvote Also pretty sure tic is town, all his points on me are solid honestly, his lung thing was just the only scummy thing I saw at the time but honestly he's just not that scummy besides that ##vote gumshoe | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 23 2016 12:25 Tictock wrote: Yea... that seems like a pretty solid claim. ##Unvote TumbleDood Although I'm mildly upset that his means I should relook at things. .... Well I should but I'm just gunna vote gum. This kinda reeks of TMI and mafia sided thinking. Mafia sided thinking here in Bold. Evaluating Blueness of Damdred and focused on potential of KP blocking. I also don't like as part of the reason why he wanted to lynch tumble. Plus I already pointed out how Gum was lapdogging towards Damdred EoD so him doing it again here doesn't impress. Ima level with you, I'm am putting like 20 percent effort into this game and no comp sucks, Though there is absolutely no reason to give me a pass for that as those words were literally parroted by sl... Who was scum..... Who I town read for said words and then hopped off...... Oh my god this is amazing, my lurk meta would have looked better than this XD | ||
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gumshoe
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On April 23 2016 12:33 gumshoe wrote: Umahgod that's amazing, your incredible and I look so baaaaads XD kill me now plox, I'll just put out some reads before I die and it'll be ok. Seriously I could not have fucked up worse, just just put me out of my misery please. ##unvote Also pretty sure tic is town, all his points on me are solid honestly, his lung thing was just the only scummy thing I saw at the time but honestly he's just not that scummy besides that ##vote gumshoe wtf gumshoe you didn't have to go full beggar mode there's still like 40 hours On April 23 2016 12:40 LightningStrike wrote: So TW actually breadcrumbed his role being Vig. Well that puts a spin on everything about today. good use of a post ls On April 23 2016 07:51 gumshoe wrote: Uh, I was so wrong on sl it hurts, This changes a lot about the day 1 lynch so hopefull there's stuff to find there. Damdred flip does not suprise, but he was pushing hts pretty hard, so it's interesting that scum chose to take that pressure off her. hey gumshoe here's another land mine for ya: do you imply by this that you think hts is scum[mier]? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 23 2016 13:07 Tumblewood wrote: wtf gumshoe you didn't have to go full beggar mode there's still like 40 hours good use of a post ls hey gumshoe here's another land mine for ya: do you imply by this that you think hts is scum[mier]? OH MAH GAWD MORE SHELLS YAAAAY Also dont worry, I'll def throw out as much as I can regardless, but yeah I really feel like dying today, this is just the worst string of luck bad play I have ever combined. I was implying hts was a bit scummy yes, but then I saw the case damdred put out onto tumble and thought he was the one that killed for pressure relief. Now that thats not the case I'm kinda coming back around to hts as scum / : (cause thats def gonna help not get me killed XD) I will review her filter, she may very well have killed damdred to destroy the one big townie who could be a threat to her / : then pinned that scenario onto tumble, (even though he was coming around to town reading her after) sigh duck ALL I KNOW IS SHAPE IS TOWN, ALL HAIL SHAPE. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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Fidei86
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
They set it up pretty good though. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
2316, or 14m to EoD - gumshoe effectively hammers FF Fecalfeast (4) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Koshi (1) - sicklucker Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas DoYouHas (0) - 2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker Sicklucker (1) - LightningStrike (1) - Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast DoYouHas (0) - Koshi (0) - now with tumble town and me being town that looks somewhat really bad for gum. I can't think for shit atm so I will just wait till I got some time to look into this. I guess I got to look into gum (which I found really fishy early, not the same as how he opened in the numbered game but he tried to look the same, which makes it suspicious). And then I got to look into hts and see if she was setting up this tumble ml. Would be impressive. | ||
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