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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 22 2016 21:22 GMT
#441
I had to run to the store so my post won't be posted maybe mafia won't kill me and I'll be able to post it when I'm home.

But ATM I have

Damdred
LS
Gumshoe
Ticktock
As my really pretty sure they are town

GB
Dyh
Koshi

As my probably town right now

Hts

Right now is a gut feel town.

I feel like tumble is really likely mafia with what I said.

Which leaves me in a world where SL, shape and james have two mafia in it from my perspective. Technically GB could drop here but idk I'm in his pocket a bit ATM with the hard town read earlier.

If I had to make a guess its James, SL and tumble. But i was still working through things
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
April 22 2016 21:29 GMT
#442
Jesus my day finally ended. Catching up now.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 22 2016 21:34 GMT
#443
Like I'm 100000% more confident in tumble than the others but they were where I was looking and shape could very well be in there with his vote on ff and not doing anything about his feelings
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 22 2016 21:47 GMT
#444
On April 23 2016 06:16 Damdred wrote:
Like read tumbles filter pay attention to EOD and the flipbreactiom subsequent posts.

He didn't want people following his vote? He's really distancing himself from the ff lynch and trying to forgo people suspecting him.

His reaction to me telling people they should of been on someone together was also bad as it is a statemtn to throw scum without really coming to a conclusion on his own.

that was a joke
the contradiction is so obvious even I'm aware of it
good times for all
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 22 2016 21:50 GMT
#445
Alright, I am split right now between games, but I am here and will read stuff and publish some reads hopefully before the day ends.

Some of you are asking me about my vote. The reason I switch is because the "I would vote HTS" post didn't make sense to me. Then I cast my vote for FF. After I saw the VC (which came after the deadline) I made the commit about it being swing, but by that time, time was up for me. As my clock was ahead by a min (6:29).

that is basically it. If i had more Time i would argue and switch but I didn't
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 21:50 GMT
#446
30/40

Been reading. I could definitely buy into the Tumbleweed lynch and even though I think associative reads aren't great, there's a decent chance of a TW/SL team here.

305

On April 22 2016 06:47 Tumblewood wrote:
aahhhhhh FF's filter is so bad
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far.

2

like what is this
this is so bad
and how did I not see it earlier


310

On April 22 2016 06:54 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 06:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I have a bunch of posts left wanna fight about it? Why is that bad?

Bad because a) there were AI things there and b) gumshoe treats everything as if it's AI


315

On April 22 2016 06:59 Tumblewood wrote:
Voting sicklucker? I don't know why everyone switched all of a sudden.
Going now but will be back just before deadline.


386

On April 22 2016 07:29 Tumblewood wrote:
Now I'm back and kinda caught up
1 minute goes by though and there are five more posts to read
probably going to make sense of this all at eod but glad to see you all sheeping me


403

On April 22 2016 07:40 Tumblewood wrote:
NO gdi why did you all sheep me. Told you not to but you just wouldn't listen.
Shape/hts/gum on the tail end of the wagon... Usually i'd say there's one scum on the wagon but there might be two. Running out of phone battery though but will definitely be here before EoN1 (probably tonight though)


386 and 403 speak to exactly what Damdred just spoke of. I would lynch him for that.

Also here's something that might point to a TW/SL team.

On April 21 2016 14:25 Tumblewood wrote:
Phoneposting so no filter-diving for now but everyone is asking the inactives (that's me!) to at least tell where they stand so whatever.

town
Koshi for Koshi-ness
LS for defending me in a way that resonated with me (but oh no am I really the new LS)

town lean
Damdred for feeeels
TT for actually having a stance and trying, unlike the two scum games I played with him
I liked something from GB earlier and didn't dislike anything else does that count

scum lean
HtS feels unnatural to me but I don't know her meta... sources say it is just her meta but sources also scumread her so
SL for being useless but eh I'm not so into this one

null
Most people
I feel like I should have an opinion on FF but I don't


I checked timestamps Tumble makes his first call at 2247. And SL reappears at 2303. So there is a potential agenda there as to why TW called out FF and why not SL when SL was by his own admission useless.




In separate news, I read into how LS continued to push my lynch to End of Day. I am starting to think he's probably town.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 22 2016 21:51 GMT
#447
If I reread I am pretty sure I can find 4 people I solely want to lynch within. Had a good feeling before the lynch. But meh.
I had a good night of sleep.
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 22 2016 21:54 GMT
#448
Don't care about conserving posts because I have so many right now. Even with one post per two minutes they wouldn't run out by eon
anyway
SL is probably the one looking weirdest to me atm
damdred looking even stronger
gumshoe is looking a little better
on mobile, will be useful tomorrow though
good times for all
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 22:06 GMT
#449
31/40

Also another point against Tumbleweed - lack of followthrough from post 386. Just realised that too.




Still reading. I have a sense of paranoia as to how Koshi was playing Day 1 based on how selective he was with certain people, I felt at times he called people out for things that could have have been applied to others. Despite my giving reasons for deliberately ignoring FF at the time I did. He kept accusing me of undermining him which was pretty weird. He called out FF....why not sicklucker? Yeah he was active, but he seemed agenda-ish. And the change on reads for LS before sheeping Damdred was still weird.

And should TW especially flip red, it is interesting he paid no mind (I don't think??) to the likes of TW, SL, and very little on Shapelog throughout the cycle.

In fact read his filter. He has said ZERO on Tumbleweed and sicklucker prior to End of Day. Associative yes, but it's something of note, especially when he voted FF who was town, he was going to switch to me and I'm town, and he voted LS at one point. His defence of sicklucker amounted to too scummy to be scum, which IMO is a bad argument.

On April 22 2016 05:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 05:45 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure why SL jeeps somehow avoiding people's lists, he's almost done the least amount in game and hasn't posted in forever.

Besides that I am curious how tumble has such a hard town read on gb in this situation?

Dnu. I think sl is actually so extremely horrible he is maybe not mafia :/


On April 22 2016 07:00 Koshi wrote:
sicklucker has been posting the last 13mins in the other game it seems.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/506344-a-normal-game-just-for-jat-3?page=91

That would be really a dick move to his scum partners.


The latter of which is moot when sicklucker has demonstrated lazy scum games before thus his participation in another game is moot.

Something isn't sitting right with me on Koshi. Maybe my paranoia's off and he's town. But something isn't sitting right.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
April 22 2016 22:07 GMT
#450
On April 22 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 07:03 sicklucker wrote:
oh votings today I thought it was tormorow? why am I being lynched I gotta ask


I think at this point the onus is on you to tell us why we shouldn't lynch you.

As in, you really haven't done much at all this game.

TT is scum, I think. This post is beyond Derp.

I'm reading on a train with spotty reception so may not be able to post. If I die I strongly suggest you lynch TT. But if Dani doesn't die by day 3, it's probably her.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 22:09 GMT
#451
32/40

Tumbleweed, sicklucker did hardly jack all between the time you called him useless, the time he came back to try and get me lynched when you questioned why people were switching to him and hasn't done jack all through night phase.

On April 23 2016 06:54 Tumblewood wrote:
Don't care about conserving posts because I have so many right now. Even with one post per two minutes they wouldn't run out by eon
anyway
SL is probably the one looking weirdest to me atm
damdred looking even stronger
gumshoe is looking a little better
on mobile, will be useful tomorrow though


Why is he weird all of a sudden now?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 22 2016 22:10 GMT
#452
Alright.
This game.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
April 22 2016 22:16 GMT
#453
On April 22 2016 07:37 Half the Sky wrote:
26/40

Well I'm sorry for that fuckup FF, and Koshi, you'd have gotten the exact same result except a more active player would have gotten lynched.

I'm going to break and return later tonight if I can, I have a few RL things keeping me up.

Dani's all like "oh no, maybe I should have been on LS, like you would have expected from my filter, except I was on FF for literally no reason".

Dani / TT makes a fuck of a lot of sense to me right now. Damdred is town I think. SL too. And Tumble.

The last one could definitely be GB.

(For the post game swag)
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
April 22 2016 22:19 GMT
#454
On April 22 2016 09:34 Fidei86 wrote:
Drunk James says its HTS / TT / Damdred. But this is definitely one of the weirdest games I've ever been in.

If I'm vigi tonight I shoot LS though. Dude doesn't string a sentence together for four games in a row and is town. He posts a WOT tonight and nobody bats an eye.

I actually completely forgot about this read. Glad that drunk James and sober James are basically on the same page.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 22:20 GMT
#455
33/40

On April 23 2016 06:50 Shapelog wrote:
Alright, I am split right now between games, but I am here and will read stuff and publish some reads hopefully before the day ends.

Some of you are asking me about my vote. The reason I switch is because the "I would vote HTS" post didn't make sense to me. Then I cast my vote for FF. After I saw the VC (which came after the deadline) I made the commit about it being swing, but by that time, time was up for me. As my clock was ahead by a min (6:29).

that is basically it. If i had more Time i would argue and switch but I didn't


I can believe this and I remember your dialogue inquiring his vote on me. I remember almost running into a hosting issue because your clock was off by a minute in Star Wars and you called End of Day a minute early. In any case, I still have to re-read your filter, but you wouldn't be my top d2 lynch anyhow.




GB, if you have problems with Koshi/gumshoe/LS, or if you still do, why not discuss more openly? Or at least discuss Koshi with me? If you don't trust me, fine, but I posted about Koshi twice in the night phase. What do you think?

LS you were also suspicious of Koshi. Why?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
April 22 2016 22:21 GMT
#456
Okay Last Will in case I die for whatever reason:
Don't ever lynch Damdred or TW meta suggests that TW is town unless I feeling way to bad for the fact I mislynched him in Storm. Damdred been pushing stuff and reevaluating stuff.
There is 1 mafia in Koshi,Gum, and shape but I think it's Shape his stuff looked worst regarding the lynch of FF. Gumshoe said his computer was acting up and his day looked worst compared to who he was pushing. Koshi I doubt he's mafia he been doing his own stuff and been pushing his thoughts too.
Lynch HTS unless I dead wrong on her in that case I will probably eat a hat.
Find the 3rd mafia inside the outlier votes on lynches that weren't going to happen EoD.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 22:25 GMT
#457
34/40

On April 23 2016 07:16 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 07:37 Half the Sky wrote:
26/40

Well I'm sorry for that fuckup FF, and Koshi, you'd have gotten the exact same result except a more active player would have gotten lynched.

I'm going to break and return later tonight if I can, I have a few RL things keeping me up.

Dani's all like "oh no, maybe I should have been on LS, like you would have expected from my filter, except I was on FF for literally no reason".

Dani / TT makes a fuck of a lot of sense to me right now. Damdred is town I think. SL too. And Tumble.

The last one could definitely be GB.

(For the post game swag)


LS wasn't getting lynched. I mentioned that if I wasn't getting traction on his wagon at least twice I was going to switch. The votes were shambolic and we needed to consolidate, we still had a shittonne of solo voters, but I was interested in consolidation if my primary wagon wasn't headed anywhere.

Same thing I told you that I told Damdred - read the process I used (my filter) where I deliberated between sicklucker and Fecalfeast. That tells you why I switched.

Why are sicklucker and Tumble town? Especially Tumbleweed.

Why are we on a team?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
April 22 2016 22:28 GMT
#458
Shape - We'll be getting into this more today, but my original reasons for voting him are still good and he is likely scum.

Koshi - I want to say Koshi's active and aggressive style is town. But he jumped up and down on me for valid points against Shape. He jumped up and down on HtS for the null read of FF while ignoring things I thought pointed to her being town. I don't think we get into the EoD we had without at least 1 scum in the movers and shakers. (Koshi, HtS, Damd, and maybe TT) Koshi pushed the lynch of 2 town for sure and probably 3. He is attacking town, leading lynches on town and after being proven wrong on FF he still wants to off HtS instead of stepping back and reassessing. Thinking he could be scum.

HTS - She seems focused and productive. I like the way she pursued her scumreads on LS and TW early. She isn't getting mad at all the pressure thrown her way, trying to talk to people. Last time I caught her as scum she used her higher activity to spread suspicion on lots of the town and then letting others take up her ideas and run with them. She isn't doing that here. Only her EoD vote leaves doubt for me. According to NM HtS voting off her main targets to lynch someone scumming her is a big tell. I'm still going with my gut and thinking she is town.

Fid - I'm pretty familiar with Fid's scum game. I don't think this is it. Scum fid would be even less active than he has been here. He wouldn't be shying away from getting into it with LS like we are seeing here. The well-documented troubles that Fid has with LS would be a great excuse to fake activity without producing content. I also don't think we would see that drunk post from scum Fid.

SL - I'm putting off making a decision on him. I don't have strong feelings either way and he promised more activity today.

Damdred - Cautiously optimistic.

Gumshoe - Cautiously optimistic.

LS - dunno

TW, GB, TT havent gotten to yet
Guts? Determination? $5?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-25 22:14:56
April 22 2016 22:30 GMT
#459
Day 2:
[image loading]


Damdred (Vanilla Townie) has been shot.
Sicklucker (Mafia Goon) has been shot.


Day ends in . You must vote in the voting thread here.

All players have 40 posts once more from this point, with an additional 5 in the last hour of EoD.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 22 2016 22:30 GMT
#460
35/40

Not making a list post as I'm still re-reading.

I am sure Damdred is town, LS is probably town.

Gumshoe seems to be more townie given night phase, I still feel I might need more to be a bit more confident in him.
.
Tictock I am still re-reading. The self meta is whatever, but I do know he has had suboptimal town games, which isn't farfetched when town bombed d1.
Shapelog I gotta read more.

Koshi, I have Koshi-phobia because he could be mafia.

Fidei I am just putting him in his own category, he's drunk and overworked, could be possible as either alignment but if he starts falling off hard, then I would lynch into him because I know for a fact he hates mafia.

TW/SL top votes atm.
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