EPTOn April 22 2016 07:37 gumshoe wrote:
Welp that sucks.
Welp that sucks.
Can we give this guy a fucking medal for least convincing flip contrition? Jesus
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
Can we give this guy a fucking medal for least convincing flip contrition? Jesus | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
If I'm vigi tonight I shoot LS though. Dude doesn't string a sentence together for four games in a row and is town. He posts a WOT tonight and nobody bats an eye. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Re-evaluating. I'm seeing a few gaps re-reading some filters. I'll start with Koshi. On April 21 2016 07:42 Koshi wrote: The bolded comes over like a story you just made up to narrate my suspicion on you. I can understand why you meta wise still scumread HTS after she made that post, but I don't understand why you don't tell me that HTS could still be mafia after I made it clear I townread her for it. And the fact you made the post about HTS being mafia was triggered by FF saying you discredit a lot of people and are not looking for mafia. And you scumreading HTS still doesn't explain why you used my name to legitimize your scumread on HTS. It also feel like you kinda spewed both Damdred and Koshi town by saying. "I had the same read as Koshi and Damdred, so fuck off" Which is not exactly what you said but it felt like that. I am also somewhat puzzled by the fact you are not trying to save your posts. You are just blatantly spamming and I don't think that is very townie of you. You must understand that your posts become more valuable the closer to the deadline. Anyway LS, I will probably follow Damdred his read on you. Please try to keep good track of your posts and don't let me baffle you too much. Also, if you really believe HTS is mafia. Make sure you have good long and solid posts left near deadline on why she is mafia. Because we will need solid posts to lynch her. I just read HTS her posts and she brings up a really good point that I also wanted to bring up but didn't. You close your eyes to the quality of that post. On April 22 2016 04:43 Koshi wrote: 7. DoYouHas 9. GlowingBear 12. gumshoe These 3 people look fine to lynch. I think I want to keep HTS around. But I think LS is at least twice more townie than HTS. But I don't know if I want to lynch in them atm. On April 22 2016 05:59 Koshi wrote: My read on LS is that he is probably town and that I wont lynch him. So Koshi, you were pushing LS for at least 4 posts (page 1 of your filter) until page 11 of the thread. I read from 11 through 14, specifically in context as to what LS was posting regarding his push on me and who else other than myself could be mafia in his eyes. What I cannot account is how LS played between the changes in your reads on him - what exactly did he post or what did he do that changed your mind on him? I can guess in context as to why you were scumreading me but where is the justification for your change in read on LS? I see Damdred made his read RIGHT before that final quote (and you said you'd sheep him) but further pulling this sequence apart, he made no other comments on LS prior to the quote where you said LS was more townie than myself. Independent of Damdred, you gave him some degree of townieness after you spent some time pushing him (and even voted) - so what gives there? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Blargh never mind. I thought I saw an issue with Tictock, but after re-reading he concludes town on Koshi. He'd called his LS read bull prior to Koshi changing his stance on LS but his final read was town based on other criteria. Meh. Reconstructing the votes against sicklucker and FF in the voting thread, I have 4 on him, 3 on FF before gumshoe switched effectively hammering FF. The two solo votes that emerged in the thick of the two wagons forming were DYH on Shapelog and gumshoe on Tictock (prior to the switch on FF). I know that there was a back and forth between gumshoe and Tictock that I'll look into later... But this DYH push on Shape and wagon evaluation would appear to come from a townie mindset. On April 22 2016 06:55 DoYouHas wrote: @koshi, Shape talking about himself a bunch while not being productive is indicative of a scum mindset. It implies that he is worried about how the thread is perceiving him, which is more likely to come from scum. @the rest of you, Shape's read on me is seriously suspicious: I had just put suspicion on him, my doing so became a point of contention between HtS and Koshi(his top town read). He glazes over my pressure. His entire list post is yelling, "your right DYH, I'm going to fix what you just attacked me for". Which would be all well and good, but then I wouldn't be null to him. I would be scum pushing a bad wagon or I would be misguided town that should be reasoned with. On April 22 2016 07:28 DoYouHas wrote: There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish. I have to re-evaluate everyone - when I see most of the reactions in this thread to the lynch and the number of people that have said something along the lines of "game is hard" "weird" "something's not right" and this chaotic EoD.....scum are playing well. Really well. Of the scumteam, I have a hunch someone's got me fooled, someone's either suggesting or pushing my lynch and someone's doing a great job of playing under the radar and right now I can't really put my finger on it. I'm looking at the votes and I know I'm town so we had two town wagons, possibly three (sicklucker, though I'm not fully positive, but likely based on the votes) the solo voters are annoying and I'm pretty sure there's one in the solo votes but looking at how everyone and everything shifted, there HAS to be one person jumping around, I had 3 votes at points in the cycle total, with Koshi and Fecalfeast willing to shennanie. (Tictock suggested SL) People that voted for FF at any given point: Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog People that voted sicklucker at any given point: gumshoe, hts, shapelog, Damdred, FF (Tictock) People that voted for me at any given point: LS, SL, Damdred, (FF, Koshi) Starting point for me I think when I pick up again but I'm stopping here for the night. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
21 ? Exactly what I said? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere. Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me. What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree? | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On April 22 2016 10:44 Half the Sky wrote: 27/40 Blargh never mind. I thought I saw an issue with Tictock, but after re-reading he concludes town on Koshi. He'd called his LS read bull prior to Koshi changing his stance on LS but his final read was town based on other criteria. Meh. Reconstructing the votes against sicklucker and FF in the voting thread, I have 4 on him, 3 on FF before gumshoe switched effectively hammering FF. The two solo votes that emerged in the thick of the two wagons forming were DYH on Shapelog and gumshoe on Tictock (prior to the switch on FF). I know that there was a back and forth between gumshoe and Tictock that I'll look into later... But this DYH push on Shape and wagon evaluation would appear to come from a townie mindset. I have to re-evaluate everyone - when I see most of the reactions in this thread to the lynch and the number of people that have said something along the lines of "game is hard" "weird" "something's not right" and this chaotic EoD.....scum are playing well. Really well. Of the scumteam, I have a hunch someone's got me fooled, someone's either suggesting or pushing my lynch and someone's doing a great job of playing under the radar and right now I can't really put my finger on it. I'm looking at the votes and I know I'm town so we had two town wagons, possibly three (sicklucker, though I'm not fully positive, but likely based on the votes) the solo voters are annoying and I'm pretty sure there's one in the solo votes but looking at how everyone and everything shifted, there HAS to be one person jumping around, I had 3 votes at points in the cycle total, with Koshi and Fecalfeast willing to shennanie. (Tictock suggested SL) People that voted for FF at any given point: Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog People that voted sicklucker at any given point: gumshoe, hts, shapelog, Damdred, FF (Tictock) People that voted for me at any given point: LS, SL, Damdred, (FF, Koshi) Starting point for me I think when I pick up again but I'm stopping here for the night. Yes Koshi thouht about voting you and same with FF but FF decided he would rather go to Damdred which made his vote wasted because there was no way in hell Damdred was going to get lynched with like 5 mins to go at EoD. Koshi thought about it but in end he didn't change his vote on to you. Damdred did try to vote you EoD it didn't count his change due to it being last second or something. On April 22 2016 09:34 Fidei86 wrote: Drunk James says its HTS / TT / Damdred. But this is definitely one of the weirdest games I've ever been in. If I'm vigi tonight I shoot LS though. Dude doesn't string a sentence together for four games in a row and is town. He posts a WOT tonight and nobody bats an eye. I bet you wont remember posting this while drunk and I did string a sentence together o.o Also I found it odd that sicklucker decided to try to lynch Koshi when that wasn't happening either o.o If you are a vig you shoot me or HTS. If you are a cop you check either HTS or me or any of the questionmarks. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
LS, that was the whole point of me illustrating the wagons the way I did and reconstructing the votes - this whole "big resistance to my lynch" argument is a moot point - had everyone of those people been on me at the SAME time, that is what would have happened esp given the nr of solo voters we had. It was clear as day that town were extremely disorganised and I'm giving this viewpoint of the wagons knowing my own alignment. Now the remaining townies can choose not to believe me, and that's fine, but if/when I flip, this is the knowledge they get to proceed with. It is obvious to most experienced players that shooting me (or at least DT checking me) gives you info on me and people who were voting me. I cannot fault any investigative role for taking that decision if that's what they want to do. The people who were townreading me had legit reasons to do so and/or called the wagon a bad one. Yes it's true that scum can defend me or whomever they can choose, but there were enough people townreading me or not willing to lynch me D1 that they cannot all be scum. So the "big resistance" argument does not entirely hold water and I get sceptical of anyone pushing that idea entirely instead of taking something I actually DID (i.e. the vote switching? fine) that makes me mafia in their eyes. I cannot control how half the player roster votes. sicklucker while I want to say is town based on the votes alone, the question is why he would choose to isolate me from the others that brought his name up. I was not the only one that brought his name up on the fly, the others are just as guilty as he suggested. Thinking it through, he wouldn't know gumshoe, Shapelog or Tictock (see first quote), but why me over Fecalfeast or even Damdred - if he was so afk he would have questioned everyone (he knew) voting him. On April 22 2016 07:09 sicklucker wrote: Obv I cant read the pages I missed and defend myself at the same time. But id imagine hts is scum for that vote. Shes not that silly On April 22 2016 07:17 sicklucker wrote: Well thats a dumb reason sicklucker cares for no man. Maybe ladys. kill hts tho On April 22 2016 07:22 sicklucker wrote: like I said 8 minutes to lynch. I come back seeing you taking advantage and jumping on a dream scum lynch. Your the best lynch for me because of it. Sure if I had more then 7 minutes I would be more liberal about who I want to lynch here Like why did he only see me and not the others? Coincidence? If he's town, hopefully he'll also take a look at the others that switched on to him at some point. There is a mafia in there but it's just not me. Anyhow, still trying to re-read when I get every few minutes... | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Also gauging their interactions with each other and in the context of the end of day voting, I am also of the opinion that there is one mafia between Tictock and gumshoe (expand quotes for the fuller picture) On April 22 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote: My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault. Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual On April 22 2016 06:44 gumshoe wrote: My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault. Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual On April 22 2016 07:27 gumshoe wrote: Sl wagon join was an accident XD phone fingers are on auto pilot Also I'm not bieng opportunistic, I'm bieng realistic. You have been far more active then me, regardless of alignment your playing a better game honestly ATM, and I can't use qoutes and shit on this thing. So yeah, I don't really feel like screaming tick rock is mafia impotently till flip. Better to lend my weight to whichever said I think has a higher chance of red. After, all there is more than one scum. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On April 22 2016 07:35 sicklucker wrote: ballz wont be able to catch up till later tonight. go raptors! Fairly dissapointed there was no follow through on this. Means SL basically just showed up as a wagon formed up on him, complained he didn't have time kus of another game, then fucked off as soon as the lynch was over. I was going to call-out GB for saying Damdred was a hypocrit but he seems to have realized that was quite an exxageration. Haven't really had a chance to relook at EoD yet, and there is a chance I wont be able to till after daypost. I bet there was at least one scum on FF, at most there was two, but more than likely scum were all spread out in the voting. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 22 2016 23:08 Half the Sky wrote: 29/40 Also gauging their interactions with each other and in the context of the end of day voting, I am also of the opinion that there is one mafia between Tictock and gumshoe (expand quotes for the fuller picture) I think it would be more accurate to say were just not both scum together. I am playing beneath my standards this game so I'm not shocked that people find shit I do scummy so it is possible that tick tock is town. Weve also never played together before and historically players in games with me for the first time tend to find me scummy. but yeah if one of us flips scum, it's safe to say the other is town. But not the opposite. In general though I feel like this lynch was between 3 townies(ff hts sl), hence all the jumping around and lack of agendas. Scum probably just did not care about todays kill, so it's hard to read into it, but I will say this, the timing of shapes vote(last on to ff) makes me think hes town. Him sort of rushing onto ff as if his train was about to leave the station is townie cause i I doubt scum would be so eager to jump on a green flip when theres no danger of scum dying. Conversly Damdred jumping off the ff lynch to jump onto hts little bit before the flip seems like he may have wanted to distance. but I am not as sure about that as the shape vote, I just dont see scum abandoning their pet accusation to hop onto what they know is a mislynch. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
1) LS don't make things between you and HTS. You are tunneled at worst at best shes scum but I don't think what you are pushing her for exactly make her scum. I'm still thinking if shes scum but i'm pretty sure you are town so just chill and look at other people atm. 2) As for you GB yes I have a feeling you are town right now, as for those three I think all three are town. which spoils my post later on whops. 3) Its not distancing so much to move off a lynch thats going on 100% of the time. Kind of a null thing either side could do it. And shape had to vote was the easiest wagon, his response to his own vote and not really doing anything about it was a little worse I think. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 23 2016 03:44 Damdred wrote: i'm working on my eon post currently and don't have a ton of posts but i'll answer anything in the meantime. 1) LS don't make things between you and HTS. You are tunneled at worst at best shes scum but I don't think what you are pushing her for exactly make her scum. I'm still thinking if shes scum but i'm pretty sure you are town so just chill and look at other people atm. 2) As for you GB yes I have a feeling you are town right now, as for those three I think all three are town. which spoils my post later on whops. 3) Its not distancing so much to move off a lynch thats going on 100% of the time. Kind of a null thing either side could do it. And shape had to vote was the easiest wagon, his response to his own vote and not really doing anything about it was a little worse I think. I agree that what you did could easily just be you trying to salvage what you thought was a bad lynch But shape was already on sl, he coulda just kept screaming for his head instead of just jumping onto what was gonna be an obvious green flip if was scum. That and his posting doesn't actually offend or anything so if nothing else I feel it's safe to assume he's town. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 22 2016 09:30 Fidei86 wrote: Can we give this guy a fucking medal for least convincing flip contrition? Jesus Jokes on you, I'm an Alomancer. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
Gumshoe reason for voting FF was he disliked FF's wasted post style but he was scumreading TT even more and claimed it was because TT wouldn't get lynched that he voted for FF. Although I do still think he's town it just odd. Koshi didn't like FF early on but then took his attention to HTS,Me, and DYH only to trust his early read on FFand seems to trust Koshi a little much. Seems calmer than my last game with him idk why is but seems like it. @Shape: What are your reads atm? @Gumshoe: Why you thought it would be a waste to push for the lynch of your choice EoD? Koshi: What are your reads atm? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I've started a couple times in my filter why I town him at this point. But just to elaborate 1) He's pretty open and honest about where he is at and why he thinks x or y. 2) Even if I disagree partially, his case on HTS shows a real good mindset of L's. He generally sheep's as mafia instead he is out leading the charge? I don't think so this is hard working L's town. 3) Speaking of work he did a lot of digging I believe in other games to prove his points. 4) his push even into the night is pretty good tbh even if I think he's mistaken somewhat. Overall if ls got hit by a bullet I'd be sad because he's pretty town and its only his inability to express himself well makes it harder for people. If koshi got shot and flipped town I would be sort of sad but I could see where it came from. I think tumble is the most likely mafia | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
He didn't want people following his vote? He's really distancing himself from the ff lynch and trying to forgo people suspecting him. His reaction to me telling people they should of been on someone together was also bad as it is a statemtn to throw scum without really coming to a conclusion on his own. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 23 2016 06:10 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so Shape's reason for switching seems odd. He wanted to lynch SL but decided to switch to FF despite the fact that he didn't like the swing of votes to FF and his defence for it was kinda poor too. Gumshoe reason for voting FF was he disliked FF's wasted post style but he was scumreading TT even more and claimed it was because TT wouldn't get lynched that he voted for FF. Although I do still think he's town it just odd. Koshi didn't like FF early on but then took his attention to HTS,Me, and DYH only to trust his early read on FFand seems to trust Koshi a little much. Seems calmer than my last game with him idk why is but seems like it. @Shape: What are your reads atm? @Gumshoe: Why you thought it would be a waste to push for the lynch of your choice EoD? Koshi: What are your reads atm? My comp was acting frizzy yesterday, couldn't make a big case so didn't feel comfortable pushing someone who was trying a lot harder than me sans qoutes and good formatting. Especially when my day 1 is not particularly reliable to begin with. Also I didn't hate FFs odds of flipping scum, def wasn't gonna vote sl or hts. | ||
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