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On April 21 2016 09:18 sicklucker wrote:
After that newb was vig shot it was obvious to everyone that super was mafia. But before that flip alot of people believed his fake claim
Quotes or it didn't happen.
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Not that it would make anyone town to push super during night1 anyways. Mafia knows that he is dead at this point.
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On April 21 2016 09:51 gumshoe wrote:
Welp, just skimmed over the game under the assumption that obis town, jat is town based off his day 1 interactions with super. ( defending Palmer from super ) the whole not lynching Palmer on a weekday is such a wierd reason for two scum to conflict so yeah, jats town
Tumb is town, don't wanna argue why again
Obi is evidently town.
Dick move analysis says onegu is town (can't see him getting that upset as scum, he was way calmer in vanilla)
That leaves jas sl and rels, so yes, there is a world where sl is town XD (the one where rels and jas are scum together)
The problem with your onegu logic is that he can do that as any alignment. There is 0 reason to assume he would only say this stuff as town.
And he is the kind of player who does shit like this to brag how much of a genius he is afterwards if it works.
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On April 21 2016 09:59 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 09:54 justanothertownie wrote:On April 21 2016 09:51 gumshoe wrote:
Welp, just skimmed over the game under the assumption that obis town, jat is town based off his day 1 interactions with super. ( defending Palmer from super ) the whole not lynching Palmer on a weekday is such a wierd reason for two scum to conflict so yeah, jats town
Tumb is town, don't wanna argue why again
Obi is evidently town.
Dick move analysis says onegu is town (can't see him getting that upset as scum, he was way calmer in vanilla)
That leaves jas sl and rels, so yes, there is a world where sl is town XD (the one where rels and jas are scum together)
The problem with your onegu logic is that he can do that as any alignment. There is 0 reason to assume he would only say this stuff as town. And he is the kind of player who does shit like this to brag how much of a genius he is afterwards if it works. quotes or it didnt happen. Find me games were onegu knowingly incured warnings as scum to make it look like he was genuine. I think the guys delusional, terrible at mafia and has an undeserved persecution complex, but your asserting that he just outright cheated / : (breaking rules to earn confidence he cant be bothered to actually earn through play)
It doesn't even have to be deliberate. He can genuinely rage like that as town or mafia. His alignment has nothing to do with it.
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On April 21 2016 10:10 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 10:01 justanothertownie wrote:On April 21 2016 09:59 gumshoe wrote:On April 21 2016 09:54 justanothertownie wrote:On April 21 2016 09:51 gumshoe wrote:
Welp, just skimmed over the game under the assumption that obis town, jat is town based off his day 1 interactions with super. ( defending Palmer from super ) the whole not lynching Palmer on a weekday is such a wierd reason for two scum to conflict so yeah, jats town
Tumb is town, don't wanna argue why again
Obi is evidently town.
Dick move analysis says onegu is town (can't see him getting that upset as scum, he was way calmer in vanilla)
That leaves jas sl and rels, so yes, there is a world where sl is town XD (the one where rels and jas are scum together)
The problem with your onegu logic is that he can do that as any alignment. There is 0 reason to assume he would only say this stuff as town. And he is the kind of player who does shit like this to brag how much of a genius he is afterwards if it works. quotes or it didnt happen. Find me games were onegu knowingly incured warnings as scum to make it look like he was genuine. I think the guys delusional, terrible at mafia and has an undeserved persecution complex, but your asserting that he just outright cheated / : (breaking rules to earn confidence he cant be bothered to actually earn through play) It doesn't even have to be deliberate. He can genuinely rage like that as town or mafia. His alignment has nothing to do with it. I just dont buy that / : it's another case where it's like, could Onegu be funneling the rage he feels to make himself look townie? Maybe. But judging from what I have seen of him as scum, he doesn't get nearly as mad. Also the key point I am making is that if Onegu is scum, he just knowingly cheated, his reference to my modkill comment shows he knew what he was doing, so unless onegu is a total piece of shit, hes not scum. using a mod warning to make yourself look like a rageful townie is one of the most abusive moves possible. I would lose all respect for someone who did that. Show me proof he can do that as scum and I'll concede the point and what little faith I have in him. Till then he gets the benefit of the douche/doubt / :
Are you even listening to what I say?
There is 0, ZERO reason to assume that he would only get mad as town. Even if the rage is real which might be possible since it seems he posted something similar in another thread he can get mad at me regardless of his alignment.
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I mean he knowingly cheated regardless of his alignment by doing that. It makes no difference what alignment he is.
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Like, if you want to ignore Onegu for today, fine. Maybe (hopefully) he doesn't come back and gets modkilled. But don't assume he is 100 % town for raging at me.
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On April 21 2016 10:18 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 00:47 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:39 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:36 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:27 Rels wrote:On April 20 2016 00:23 justanothertownie wrote:On April 20 2016 00:15 Rels wrote:On April 19 2016 23:56 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2016 18:08 Rels wrote:
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Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment. What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy? In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative. Your angle hrte It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense. I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted: On April 18 2016 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:On April 18 2016 23:00 gumshoe wrote:
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Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread.
There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants. Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you. Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you. If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you. No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread. Nope. It's like you have 0 idea how this game works. IF super is mafia AND puts in the needed effort and I see that we can maybe save with the obtained town sentiment him THEN I maybe make a post like that. NOT when everything points towards him getting lynched anyways and I am just making myself look like a fool. I am acting exactly like a townie who does not KNOW superbia is mafia and makes sure he knows he can still salvage this if he really tries to. Which is something every townie should do because mislynching an uncced medic in an open setup is mighty retarded. There is 0 scum motivation and a lot of town motivation for what I have done. Meh. Will have to reread this later with a clear head because the more you arguee this is proving you are town when it's clearly NAI at best and probably scum indicative actually, the more I want to lynch you. You will not lynch me bro but don't let me stop you from trying. This whole retarded argumentation makes it way more likely for YOU to be mafia. Logical player my ass. You didn't refute anything I brought up. You are the one not responding directly to what I'm saying. Your read on Superbia is overexplained and you repeated why you are scumreading him and why doc should not claim. You also left him outs to tryhard, he can't be saved if doc cc but he can make the doc cc. Now you're saying all of this actually makes you town. Bullshit. This is not a strong scum indicator, I'm not calling you slam dunk scum, yet you're reacting and OMGUSing like you are about to get lynched. god this is too good I cant vote this man today
There are good things in rels filter. Yet you managed to quote the part that is really shit. Congrats.
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On April 21 2016 10:24 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 10:15 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean he knowingly cheated regardless of his alignment by doing that. It makes no difference what alignment he is. It makes a huge difference. If he's town in his mind he is righteous. If he's scum he's just slime. It's easy to just say it makes no difference but it really does as it's the difference between being right and wrong outside the game. (He's moved things off the board) And that's what onegu has done, he's made this about his morality and his sense of being wronged instead of being about the game itself. Regardless of wether he was right to do that(he really wasn't)That does means a lot to me jat, I hope you don't think too less of me for that / :
I don't think less of you - why would I?
But Onegu can feel righteous about this as town or mafia. It is just his opinion and his alignment doesn't change anything about that.
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On April 21 2016 12:50 sicklucker wrote:
then its probably jat if its shape. idk onegu is random but just as likely possible. If we lynch like shape he flips scum. We win if we lynch onegu then jat. unless im missing something.
If shape flips i dont think tumbles gonna be mafia
What a pile if garbage. If anything shape being mafia makes tumble MORE likely to be scum due do shapes notorious bussing and how he didn't care about anything else eod1. You can also read rsouls filter about this.
You have 0 reason to call me mafia so either make a case (you can't) or shut the fuck up about it.
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On April 21 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
I honestly don't know who we would lynch after Shape. I have six townreads and one scumread this game and these are pretty solid townreads.
Is the case against Rels just that one vote? Is the case on JAT just the low-hanging fruit argument? Is the case on Onegu just Onegu? These are all solid arguments but they also go against all the townie things those players have done and my feeeels are all I have to distinguish them.
I suppose the best way to go is Shape -> jat/rels -> rels/jat
Does this guy ever have reasons for his opinions? For your information:
There is no case on me.
I am not low hanging fruit.
Yes, there are a lot of townie things I have done and once again you had me as one of your top townreads. And now that SL says lynch JAT for no reason you suddenly think I am one of the best lynches after shape?
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I mean maybe you are partly correct and it is rels but is certainly not me.
The people who died in the night were the ones with the biggest townreads on me (and who also know my play best so maybe you should trust them). I do not kill all my fans as mafia. And that's only additional reasoning to all the other shit that is already there to read me town.
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On April 21 2016 23:29 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 23:13 justanothertownie wrote:On April 21 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
I honestly don't know who we would lynch after Shape. I have six townreads and one scumread this game and these are pretty solid townreads.
Is the case against Rels just that one vote? Is the case on JAT just the low-hanging fruit argument? Is the case on Onegu just Onegu? These are all solid arguments but they also go against all the townie things those players have done and my feeeels are all I have to distinguish them.
I suppose the best way to go is Shape -> jat/rels -> rels/jat Does this guy ever have reasons for his opinions? For your information: There is no case on me. I am not low hanging fruit. Yes, there are a lot of townie things I have done and once again you had me as one of your top townreads. And now that SL says lynch JAT for no reason you suddenly think I am one of the best lynches after shape? Then who the hell is? I am tapping into the list of people I previously had as confirmed town.
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On April 21 2016 23:29 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 23:13 justanothertownie wrote:On April 21 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
I honestly don't know who we would lynch after Shape. I have six townreads and one scumread this game and these are pretty solid townreads.
Is the case against Rels just that one vote? Is the case on JAT just the low-hanging fruit argument? Is the case on Onegu just Onegu? These are all solid arguments but they also go against all the townie things those players have done and my feeeels are all I have to distinguish them.
I suppose the best way to go is Shape -> jat/rels -> rels/jat Does this guy ever have reasons for his opinions? For your information: There is no case on me. I am not low hanging fruit. Yes, there are a lot of townie things I have done and once again you had me as one of your top townreads. And now that SL says lynch JAT for no reason you suddenly think I am one of the best lynches after shape? Then who the hell is? I am tapping into the list of people I previously had as confirmed town.
If it is not you then 2 of rels/shape/onegu/SL are mafia.
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On April 21 2016 23:51 gumshoe wrote:
##vote jas
Super may have started distancing himself from jas day 2.
As things stand, can't see who else could be scum.
The fact that he has completely vanished is also pretty damning, yeah.
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On April 21 2016 23:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 05:30 justanothertownie wrote:On April 21 2016 05:20 Rels wrote:On April 21 2016 01:39 justanothertownie wrote:On April 21 2016 01:12 Rels wrote:
Well I have to leave work. I thought I would have time to reread the entire D1 before that but actually I don't. =X I will try to do that before deadline. If I have to, I will only read JAT's filter from EOD1, but I would prefer if I have time to read the things in their context. You won't find anything incriminating there so it will be a waste of time but don't let me stop you. Well my GF made the surprise of getting back 1 day earlier than she should have so I'm obv gonna stay with her ^^ so I'll resume this tomorrow if we're both still alive. To confirm: you think your treatment of Superbia D1 makes you unlikely partner, while mine is NAI right ? This is what I want to look for specifically. I have no idea why that's so important to you but essentially yes. I did not say yours is nai in general - I didn't reread that yet. But it is certainly not as strong. I am talking about interactions btw. The way superbia tried to go for a palmar lynch and how I immediately shut it down is what I am talking about. I would never allow a buddy (especially the rb) to do that shit in the first place, it is one of the reasons he almost got lynched and had to fakeclaim. If I am on a team with superbia this whole thing never happens. But I did exactly that too. TBF rsoul dying is an indicator that you are town, I should have been killed if you were scum. rsoul & I had kinda the same reads apart from you.
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Goddamnit phone....
Rels you might have said similar things to superbia but not before I had already done that. So there is no cred for you.
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On April 21 2016 23:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 05:30 justanothertownie wrote:On April 21 2016 05:20 Rels wrote:On April 21 2016 01:39 justanothertownie wrote:On April 21 2016 01:12 Rels wrote:
Well I have to leave work. I thought I would have time to reread the entire D1 before that but actually I don't. =X I will try to do that before deadline. If I have to, I will only read JAT's filter from EOD1, but I would prefer if I have time to read the things in their context. You won't find anything incriminating there so it will be a waste of time but don't let me stop you. Well my GF made the surprise of getting back 1 day earlier than she should have so I'm obv gonna stay with her ^^ so I'll resume this tomorrow if we're both still alive. To confirm: you think your treatment of Superbia D1 makes you unlikely partner, while mine is NAI right ? This is what I want to look for specifically. I have no idea why that's so important to you but essentially yes. I did not say yours is nai in general - I didn't reread that yet. But it is certainly not as strong. I am talking about interactions btw. The way superbia tried to go for a palmar lynch and how I immediately shut it down is what I am talking about. I would never allow a buddy (especially the rb) to do that shit in the first place, it is one of the reasons he almost got lynched and had to fakeclaim. If I am on a team with superbia this whole thing never happens. But I did exactly that too. TBF rsoul dying is an indicator that you are town, I should have been killed if you were scum. rsoul & I had kinda the same reads apart from you.
You are right btw. I would have shot you or SL (who softed medic like a madman all game) if I was mafia and you are town. I would not shoot rsoul who would never lynch me this game.
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On April 22 2016 00:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 00:01 gumshoe wrote:On April 22 2016 00:00 Rels wrote:On April 21 2016 23:59 gumshoe wrote:On April 21 2016 23:55 Rels wrote:On April 21 2016 23:41 Tumblewood wrote:
Really, the scummiest thing Rels has done wasn't voting me D1 but dropping/ignoring the case later. No worries I haven't drop it, we were busy killing Superbia yesterday and I want some time to reread a lot of stuff before deciding who to vote today. Are you caught up to the thread ATM? Not at all, catching up. Don't post anymore till you are please Sure boss. ^^ Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Goddamnit phone....
Rels you might have said similar things to superbia but not before I had already done that. So there is no cred for you. We'll see about that. That doesn't feel very strong either, 'cause you probably can't control what Superbia wants to do if he's playing. In an hypothetical situation where you are his partner and he attacks Palmar for no reason, you will probably buddy Palmar and shut down your partner's bad attack. Now I see how you will legitimately think that makes you town if you're town but this in particular is NAI.
No, it is not. I would not shut down my partner so hard that he has to fakelcaim to not get lynched. Especially not the roleblocker.
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The way I see things without rereading myself:
I can ignore Onegu for today if you guys really think he would only do that as town. I disagree but I might be a little biased here.
I will not lynch gumshoe.
The only thing that keeps me from scumreading tumble is the thing gumshoe brought up about how stupid it would be if superbia fakeclaimed and tumble got lynched and his general obstinance. But I need to check if this really applies since if I am not mistaken tumble could have been more or less save already when superbia claimed.
SL is pushing really bad/wrong things this game. But he seems to be very invested when he is here. Not sure about him.
I don't have any particular strong reason to scumread rels. But he is good at mafia. I would not lynch him today probably if only because it's far too much effort to try.
Shape has been scummy to me all game. The only reason I had for thinking he could be town is the mod question thing which could have easily been asked in the scum qt. So far I would lynch him.
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