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On March 28 2016 17:55 ritoky wrote:
also rels wanted to lynch me - VT, tube - town, stutters - town, and VA - ?
those are some really bad d1 reads.
eh, that doesn't really make anyone scum though...bad d1 reads? lol
as for the ls thing him falling into a lean doesn't seem completely unreasonable
i'd say it's mostly being underwhelming if it's anything, but he's also been lynched as town for that recently if i recall
like seriously lol >< i do think that maybe him being the only one really picking up what i was laying down might make him more likely scum since no one else seemed to really see it (jat and damdy kinda did i spose but eh)
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On March 28 2016 18:01 sicklucker wrote:
push rels or koshi if your town thats the only way to salvage your town game. Not go DANDRED WAAAAUUUHH. SICKLUCKER IS PUSHING ME AND FISHY even tho his story makes complete sense
-_- yeah i'm not explaining to you again how to english. i realize you don't perfectly english, but i do think you're bright enough to understand that you're consistently pushing a point that I NEVER SAID
i don't think koshi is scum. maybe he's pocketed me or whatever but i don't care. he's not posting like scum, even if he has fallen off...the survivor thing you brought up is slightly more believable but then he's still not scum so why lynch him?
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On March 28 2016 18:03 sicklucker wrote:
like theres less then half a day. the same 5 people have snap voted you. you dont seem to have any idea who you want your counter wagon to be
uh huh. cause taking the time to read the game and double-check where my reads are and discuss with people is definitely mafia-motivated
you are hereby ignored. go yell up a different tree, dumbass
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On March 28 2016 18:05 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 18:03 sicklucker wrote:
like theres less then half a day. the same 5 people have snap voted you. you dont seem to have any idea who you want your counter wagon to be uh huh. cause taking the time to read the game and double-check where my reads are and discuss with people is definitely mafia-motivated you are hereby ignored. go yell up a different tree, dumbass
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On March 28 2016 18:10 ritoky wrote:i just clicked TTs filter and it fucked my head really hard.......i think he is town? kinda?...but i don't... the main reason i don't is that he has both me and rsoul as scum which kinda feels like he is posturing to be on the right side regardless. plus his koshi and vivax reads....they are literally "ezpz town never lynch"; which i don't see for either those seem like really odd reads to be his strongest. he also thinks 2 ppl who claimed vigi are both mafia in slam and kuru; expressly wanting to lynch kuru...but not explaining how claiming a failed kp on koshi is mafia motivated. the main reason i think he is town is 2 observations: 1) in his slam read he posts about how slam was considering shooting kuru, but then trusted kuru's read on gumshoe and shot gumshoe and how that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. and 2) this post: Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 14:29 Tictock wrote:On March 28 2016 11:46 rsoultin wrote:On March 28 2016 11:24 Tictock wrote:On March 27 2016 04:20 Damdred wrote:
I think there are three options really to how the wagons happened.
1) town vs town mafia just did whatever and are spread out and aren't very active.
2) town vs mafia. Rs is only real active mafia the others are in the dnv list.
3) town v mafia all other mafia but rs are on tube saving her.
There's lots of different scenarios but just how the thread feels it feels more like one where mafia isn't trying to disrupt the thread and cause as much chaos over a mislynch.
I could be dead wrong and probably are but it's just a feeling atm.
Ows what do you think who are scum? I can agree that these 3 scenarios are most likely, I'm also wondering if Kuru were scum if his teammates might have been pushing his voters. Though, Day 1 Final Votecount
Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi , Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi, justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred
rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker
Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin Kinda looks to me like scum was piled on Tube to save Rsoul... your reads are kinda awful ^^ i mostly skimmed your post earlier, but you have rit and myself as scum together which is pretty tinfoily at best, i can forgive the ls read even if it's awful cause meh ls he's gonna get scumread whatever and kuru and i as scum together...so basically you've decided that your scum team is completely bussing one another from d1 for no good reason? explain this I didn't say you two were on a team, you were both scum leans but I'm sure not on the same team given how your going at each other. Though since this setup could be multi-faction you could both be mafia (on opposing teams) or some kinda anti-town. I'm not trying to build teams at all, just reading individuals. Also why do you give me a pass on scum-reading LS but not Rit? that bolded part...idk why but it feels really town to me...especially considering he has me leaning scum. i kinda think TT is town...but i am really hesitant about that read.
eh ye...my only issue here is why i asked him in the first place, which was he was saying that where his scumreads voted was what made me scum @.@ which doesn't make sense with this response really
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On March 28 2016 18:12 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 18:02 rsoultin wrote:On March 28 2016 17:55 ritoky wrote:
also rels wanted to lynch me - VT, tube - town, stutters - town, and VA - ?
those are some really bad d1 reads. eh, that doesn't really make anyone scum though...bad d1 reads? lol as for the ls thing him falling into a lean doesn't seem completely unreasonable i'd say it's mostly being underwhelming if it's anything, but he's also been lynched as town for that recently if i recall like seriously lol >< i do think that maybe him being the only one really picking up what i was laying down might make him more likely scum since no one else seemed to really see it (jat and damdy kinda did i spose but eh) it's also given the context in my mind of him HARD defending LS over the capslock read in the previous game (cell) then post game and in the QT swearing to be substantially more critical of him in all games going forward....i expected a strong opinion/decent amount of focus on solving LS from a town rels and i didn't get it from his filter.
...okay yeah this actually makes sense, especially since this would be true while he was in the thread regardless of activity ><
damn it, you're actually town, aren't you? i kinda hate you now -_-
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meeeeh i'm warming up to a rels lynch on gut feelings and reasons to discard several other questionables for one thing or another, but i still kinda want to lynch kuru...damn it hold on i'm shit at explaining things right
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On March 27 2016 06:58 Kurumi wrote:Just in case So, maybe some of you aren't convinced that I am Town, but I believe that Scum have no qualms like that and I am probably going to bite the dust here. While I was wrong on both shoe and Tube, I feel that I was well-grounded on my reads, which people actually have agreed with - seeing that Tube was lynched and shoe was read two-ways based on the same point I brought up. I might've said one thing too much on top of all that, which might seal the deal even more. Anyway, this is why I am writing this post - I believe I have played a strong game and that I am now going to go down because of it. So I gotta leave you with some reads to work with. My proposed Mafia team is: Koshi
ritoky
rsoultin
Ticktock/Stutters695/Tumblewood/VayneAuthority aka lurker-class scum.Now the reasons: For Koshi they are simple and people have picked up on that. First, the list. It's utterly insignificant, unhelpful, but great to look like he is doing something. He also said something about a plan and he - as we can see in the thread, abandoned it without any word on what the plan was and how it was supposed to help Town (What we can gather, his plan was to post the list only and only that, which, as you can guess, I am not going to Town-read at all!). Koshi's played a very wishy-washy game. He voted lots (ritoky, Alakaslam, tumblewood, sandroba, Tubesock), voted lots of flimsy evidence and has defended rsoultin, while townreading people seeing her as scum. He himself admits that. It looks like a good setup to be able to back-pedal on his vote on Tube when things get heated: I was just wrong guys, like look: I was townreading the guys against her! It is especially damning that having such townreads did not make him reconsider his stance on rsoultin. One of the most damning things for me though, besides the wishy-washiness is how he has played the game during the night: this is the moment Koshi is the most active, fearless about the results of the Night kills. He is above that. No worries - Koshi is going to be here on D2! How does he know that? Well, he knows where the KP is going. He knows that KP is not heading his way, unless his team partners decide to be silly pranksters! Look how contrarian to everything he is and how little effort he puts into it: he has those reads only to sow distrust among us. ritoky: His play was questioned before. I once decided that his play was just dumb, but dumb in a Townie way. But after the D1 has ended, we saw no follow-up. No redemption. He made us look at him and then disappeared, while believing he is near confirmed town! I understand that RL reasons are there, but come on, if you plan something, you have the time. So it's a contradiction. Remember that ritoky was defended by rsoultin by the very start and many people around the time of his fuckup have come into the thread and started to throw acussations my way. RSO defends him, Koshi makes no case against him besides saying he is Mafia. The votes weren't on him, only lots of suspicion around. All he has done was to introduce chaos into the thread, his teammate rsoultin dipped too much anyway. Handling by her has been acknowledged and she was up as one of the lynch candidates. rsoultin: Her showing, especially handling the ritoky situation (hardcore defense) her absence for lots of late D1, the vote on me feels like she tried to avoid any responsibility with the lynch. She was fine with what was happening and she was the only one to vote together with Tubesock on me - but made no effort to defend him and herself from killing them. The lurkers... well... it's easier to get disinterested in a game if you are scum, because you know that it needs more effort to work out.
^ two minutes before the day post
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On March 27 2016 20:26 Kurumi wrote:
I shot Koshi and he is still alive, any takers? Sorry I have not posted since the last post, I had to get it posted and then rush to another place, since family time!
^ his next post
like seriously, what sorta town vig shoots, is actually around two minutes before flip, and decides to fuck off?
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On March 28 2016 18:20 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 20:26 Kurumi wrote:
I shot Koshi and he is still alive, any takers? Sorry I have not posted since the last post, I had to get it posted and then rush to another place, since family time! ^ his next post like seriously, what sorta town vig shoots, is actually around two minutes before flip, and decides to fuck off?
i mean, i realize he posted an excuse right in here, but that's really coincidental. you'd think he'd give enough of a shit to wait 5 minutes
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On March 28 2016 18:21 Vivax wrote:
SL at least seems town now, posts wild theories, tries to get the big picture. His claim was still shitty but the latest activities removed doubts I had during his early play. Plus the copypaste of the wagon was funny and townie.
That's 1 less to go which is a lot in this game.
Ritoky rightly pointing out that TT pretty much TRs me and Koshi too easily, too firmly but then reaching for the opposite conclusion afterwards bugged me, still not sure on him and rso. Rso is not being annoying except towards people scumreading her and even then it seems more like an aggressive way of being annoying which I've seen her do as scum when I figured her out being in a team with Ruxxar in some game a while ago.
zzz lol like this way of reading me is just never gonna work
ironically enough the xP analysis was right >> cause that seems even shittier
what do you think of rit's point on rels?
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On March 28 2016 18:23 ritoky wrote:
going at length to try condemn the person you're about to shoot is a little strange....i mean in his mind they're about to be resolved so establishing the reasoning can be done after....dunno tho his list isn't atrocious excluding me. at that point in the game i don't think i felt particularly strong town feelings toward anyone else on kuru's list
well i mean, it's strange regardless though isn't it? like he's either town vig or scum vig "going at length" right? either one seems like a waste of effort
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On March 28 2016 18:28 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 18:21 rsoultin wrote:On March 28 2016 18:20 rsoultin wrote:On March 27 2016 20:26 Kurumi wrote:
I shot Koshi and he is still alive, any takers? Sorry I have not posted since the last post, I had to get it posted and then rush to another place, since family time! ^ his next post like seriously, what sorta town vig shoots, is actually around two minutes before flip, and decides to fuck off? i mean, i realize he posted an excuse right in here, but that's really coincidental. you'd think he'd give enough of a shit to wait 5 minutes no thats not the point.. he made a post in a timeframe that mafia would have had no time to change actions. ( iwas in thread it was right before) SO why didnt he just hardclaim the shot? He risks dying and town losing the information . Whatever koshis still mafia untill someone really really townie claims to have saved him. So we do not lynch kura yet. If you wanna live another day you will push the rels angle
lol
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have a good night oh town caudillo of towniness
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On March 28 2016 18:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 18:25 rsoultin wrote:On March 28 2016 18:21 Vivax wrote:
SL at least seems town now, posts wild theories, tries to get the big picture. His claim was still shitty but the latest activities removed doubts I had during his early play. Plus the copypaste of the wagon was funny and townie.
That's 1 less to go which is a lot in this game.
Ritoky rightly pointing out that TT pretty much TRs me and Koshi too easily, too firmly but then reaching for the opposite conclusion afterwards bugged me, still not sure on him and rso. Rso is not being annoying except towards people scumreading her and even then it seems more like an aggressive way of being annoying which I've seen her do as scum when I figured her out being in a team with Ruxxar in some game a while ago. zzz lol like this way of reading me is just never gonna work ironically enough the xP analysis was right >> cause that seems even shittier what do you think of rit's point on rels? Judging from the stuff that Rels posted on LS which btw I had to research myself instead of ritoky just posting what he means (and im lazy so I dislike that) Rels only says 1 of the LS posts seemed opportunistic, while the others are just reasons to disagree with something, so don't really know why ritoky expects a full fledged read. Not to mention most of it was D1 stuff, Rels is basically afk this game.
no the actually relevant point -_- that rels' reaction to ls' flip the prior game should inspire him to at least try to delve more into ls' alignment
not so much cause what it says about rels though it's still a good point, but because that was actually an angle that i don't expect to come from scum
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Town to Scum...think i've explained or at least talked about most of these but if i forgot i can address it after some sleep @.@
Damdred*
Jat*
LS
sandy
super
rit
koshi
ows
shape
sl*
slam
viva
tt
_________________
va
rels
_________________
tumble
kuru
ye prob shouldn't townlean everyone there but whatevs @.@ one lynch at a time
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On March 28 2016 18:51 Vivax wrote:
If all you can judge me from is activity and not whether my mindset from previous posts was a townie mindset or a scummy one when I've actually done some really thought out reads which btw you townread me for and suddenly mean nothing cause I don't keep up my style of posting then you can be mafia, and if you are not you deserve a spitelynch.
then spite lynch me. last time i relied on just tone when you then fell off you were scum, and besides which, i have other reasons, cause i don't actually think you're scum
if your ego can't handle where you are on the list you prob should stop playing mafia ^^
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On March 28 2016 19:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 18:54 ritoky wrote:On March 28 2016 18:49 Vivax wrote:
Lol if I'm more scummy than shape who is just a totally different person than usual in this game or even Koshi who is playing a completely different game than he does as town then I'm totally down for a rsoultin spitelynch, whether shes mafia or not. explain the shape read to me plz. i am statistically awful at reading him....also i have a headache and his filter is 8 pages which is too daunting @ 3am. It's simple, he's not spammy and posting fluffy but somehow townie stuff, instead tries to be semi useful, but seems to be lurking. It's not really a read but I just can't rule him out from being mafia which I did in previous games. What's the deal with you and rso? I post about Sicklucker and you, rso asks me about your read on Rels. I post about rso and say I can lynch Rels, on top of it I decide to lynch rso and you ask me about my read on Shape. It's like you two are throwing smokescreens and distractions at me since you don't do anything with my replies. I have a simple question for rso: Why are you not taking into account that I was so hesitant to lynch you when a crapload of people wanted to lynch you as well, and on top of it some of the people who want to lynch you are in your top town which makes absolutely zero sense? It's like you do reverse OMGUS which is not townie.
yeah sorry next time i'll just townread whoever townreads me; nothing could go wrong there
most of my top townreads are people actually trying to solve the game of which you really haven't been
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On March 28 2016 19:02 ritoky wrote:
please....for the love of god....stop being combative...it is not helping me read you town if you really are....i am trying to consider if the #1 thing i have believed all game is wrong....just talk about reads.
why do people have asterisks? why is OWS so high? reasons for the 4 people at the bottom of your list? how did i climb so high so fast? why is sandroba the most likely town of the 3 claimed kp?
stuff like that please.
it is 5 am and i barely got any sleep -_- i really, really detest having to repeat myself
people have asterisks because they're conditional and i'm not elaborating
everyone in that town lean list is more or less on the same level so not "so high" really, he's in with viva and shape which viva is complaining about cause ego
already explained kuru, va is of course null, rels i want to townread for not being a dick but your point is decent...still feel it's mostly nai the inactivity though, tumble it's the insta 180 and nothing useful
you just are coming up with disconnected things that are not straightforward enough to come from scum i think...also i could be tired
like you, super, and sandy all kinda fall in the same cat for me
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On March 28 2016 19:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 19:04 rsoultin wrote:
most of my top townreads are people actually trying to solve the game of which you really haven't been I have been trying, but the degree of trying usually advances as more information becomes available cause right now there's still too much I don't know. I can look at some places but not all at once, which is what I did. What I know is that I'm perfectly fine lynching you for the slandering and the lack of "if I'm town who is the mafia pushing me" perspective.
ye read my posts or go away
like if you're gonna spite lynch me stop pretending it's for other reasons. you don't have to make shit up ^^ least not until i flip
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