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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Not modkilling them because "it will hurt one team" is not a valid argument, because replacing them or letting it slide STILL hurts one team more than the other. And modkilling them is the right answer because people who do not play within the game's rules do not belong into the said game. I agree with giving a ban to everyone who fails to vote. I agree with giving a ban to everyone who fails to follow the rules. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On February 18 2016 21:35 Koshi wrote: Voting should be mandatory. Not voting or missing a vote could result in a ban after the game ended. Not voting should never result in a modkill. Solved the problem. I agree with this. I was stricter than that before but this is the way to go I think. Miss 1 vote => get warned, miss 2 votes => get modkilled. After the game, 1 game ban if missed 1 vote during the game EXCEPT if sudden circumstances forced the player to miss that vote and the host has been warned about them. Doing like that means game cannot be ruined by 1 unfortunate modkill, but there is a punishment even if there is no modkill. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 18 2016 22:26 justanothertownie wrote: You have to draw the line somewhere. I agree with koshi that modkilling after the first failure will ruin a lot of games and it is not worth it - it just happens once in a while. If you do it twice you are a god damn retard though. So yes, I think it is fair. Maybe the "retards" who do it in the first place wil leither change their behavior for getting blamed for ruining the game or stop joining the games to ruin them. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On February 18 2016 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: This thing is very simple Koshi. People who do not play within the game's rules do not belong into the said game. It doesn't even matter if we are talking about voting, behavior, not sending in an action, or whatever. Your options are either replace the said player, modkill them, or let it slide. Not modkilling them because "it will hurt one team" is not a valid argument, because replacing them or letting it slide STILL hurts one team more than the other. And modkilling them is the right answer because people who do not play within the game's rules do not belong into the said game. I agree with giving a ban to everyone who fails to vote. I agree with giving a ban to everyone who fails to follow the rules. It's not that I don't agree with how you feel here. Because I feel the same, or better said felt the same. But because people tend to break the rules 24/7 I just prefer to go with the more lenient rule set of never banning for not voting. Simply because rules or no rules, people forget to vote. I would just prefer them to be the inactive bastards that they are and cancer up the game, than them to be ticking timebombs and ruin/end games. In an ideal world all players would be Koshi's. Active, funny, brilliant, intelligent and never missing a vote. | ||
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justanothertownie
16343 Posts
On February 18 2016 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: This thing is very simple Koshi. People who do not play within the game's rules do not belong into the said game. It doesn't even matter if we are talking about voting, behavior, not sending in an action, or whatever. Your options are either replace the said player, modkill them, or let it slide. Not modkilling them because "it will hurt one team" is not a valid argument, because replacing them or letting it slide STILL hurts one team more than the other. And modkilling them is the right answer because people who do not play within the game's rules do not belong into the said game. I agree with giving a ban to everyone who fails to vote. I agree with giving a ban to everyone who fails to follow the rules. In an ideal world you would be right. But in the real world I don't want to have 2/3 of my games ruined because a guy forgot to vote. This is just not practical. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On February 18 2016 22:36 Rels wrote: I agree with this. I was stricter than that before but this is the way to go I think. Miss 1 vote => get warned, miss 2 votes => get modkilled. After the game, 1 game ban if missed 1 vote during the game EXCEPT if sudden circumstances forced the player to miss that vote and the host has been warned about them. Doing like that means game cannot be ruined by 1 unfortunate modkill, but there is a punishment even if there is no modkill. Another one who says he agrees with The Great and Brilliant Koshi but doesn't copy The Great and Brilliant Koshi his ideas and instead uses inferior ones. | ||
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justanothertownie
16343 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On February 18 2016 22:39 Koshi wrote: Another one who says he agrees with The Great and Brilliant Koshi but doesn't copy The Great and Brilliant Koshi his ideas and instead uses inferior ones. The 1st book was brillant. The sequels were kind of meh. | ||
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justanothertownie
16343 Posts
On February 18 2016 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe the "retards" who do it in the first place wil leither change their behavior for getting blamed for ruining the game or stop joining the games to ruin them. Do you also believe in unicorns? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 18 2016 22:39 justanothertownie wrote: In an ideal world you would be right. But in the real world I don't want to have 2/3 of my games ruined because a guy forgot to vote. This is just not practical. I have said this before and i am gonna say that again. The people who forget to vote or "forget to vote" (=don't give any shits about the game to play in) tend to come from same sort of "pool" of the players. People who are generally inactive and/or, as said, don't care about the games they play in. For those people, why is it so fucking hard to do the following: Every single dayphase, when you make your first post, when you don't know who you vote -- place your vote on yourself, or no-lynch. When you find a better target, then change your vote. In that way you can never ever possibly end up in "not voting" list. If you fail to post even once in a 48h day window you have broken another rule, activity one, aswell. There should NEVER be anyone who doesn't place down a vote in a mafia game because the MAIN point of the game (aside roles) is to kill mafia by placing a vote on who you think is mafia, or pretend you are doing that. Whenever someone does not vote, they are literally playing against their win condition if they are town. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On February 18 2016 22:40 justanothertownie wrote: Parrotman be parroting. Can already feel the koshi tunnel starting. Unbelievable indeed. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
My personal preference is to modkill on the first infraction. But Koshi and several others have complained about this rule and tracking my own games I am averaging one modkill for failure to vote, I am curious to hear from Blazinghand or other mods who modkill on the first go. After community input and as I don't want modkills to ruin games, I've gone with two and then modkill. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Most Bloodthirsty Hosts flamewheel 34 modkills Blazinghand 26 modkills Kurumi 23 modkills DoctorHelvetica 22 modkills GMarshal 18 modkills Most Bloodthirsty Hosts Average (Min 5) flamewheel 4.2500 modkills per game Kurumi 3.8333 modkills per game DoctorHelvetica 2.4444 modkills per game Incognito 1.8750 modkills per game GreYMisT 1.2308 modkills per game Most Lenient Hosts Average (Min 5) LSB 0.1429 modkills per game wherebugsgo 0.2857 modkills per game Palmar 0.3333 modkills per game kitaman27 0.4375 modkills per game deconduo 0.5000 modkills per game | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
Failure to vote once: Warning ingame, banlist warning that lasts at least 5 games. If player is already warned, 1-game ban. Failure to vote twice: Modkill and 1-game ban. 2-game ban in case the player was already warned. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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justanothertownie
16343 Posts
On February 19 2016 00:44 Koshi wrote: 8 games and 34 modkills? Impressive. The games were way bigger back then. I see Artanis and Rels are already sheeping me. Good, good. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On February 19 2016 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Given feedback, here's my proposition. Failure to vote once: Warning ingame, banlist warning that lasts at least 5 games. If player is already warned, 1-game ban. Failure to vote twice: Modkill and 1-game ban. 2-game ban in case the player was already warned. I'm more for a 1 game ban even for 1 missed vote with no special circumstances but otherwise that seems pretty good. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On February 19 2016 00:56 justanothertownie wrote: The games were way bigger back then. I see Artanis and Rels are already sheeping me. Good, good. Sheeping the sheeper is the best sheep p: | ||
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justanothertownie
16343 Posts
Didn't you listen to koshi? I only agree with myself. So I can't be sheeping him. Koshis approach is too soft - gotta modkill those serial nonvoters. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
On February 19 2016 01:00 Rels wrote: I'm more for a 1 game ban even for 1 missed vote with no special circumstances but otherwise that seems pretty good. I think people should get a warning the first time they do it at the least. There can be excusable circumstances and this is a catch-all way of doing it without getting anal and subjective. | ||
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