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A rule that every game has, yet is rarely met with the consequence of a modkill the first time is the following:
7. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Most hosts, however, warn a player the first time, and modkill the second. I'm one of them. However, everyone is aware that not voting isn't allowed, which raises the question: Do we want to enforce this rule? What is its purpose?
How I see it, the rule has two purposes.
- Prevent inactivity
- Create accountability
For the first: I don't believe this achieves the goal. There are players that end up voting last minute whilst being inactive all game long. For the second, I believe this is something town should enforce by itself rather than attempt to enforce through a rule that isn't even enforced most of the time.
What I suggest is the removal of the requirement to vote combined with higher activity requirements.
I believe there should be stricter rules in terms of what kind of activity a host requires of its players. Having that in place would remove the requirement of mandatory voting. It might result in more modkills and more subjective hosting as to where you draw the line, but I think it would improve the game experience overall.
What are your views regarding the mandatory vote rule? Should it always be enforced the first time, is the current system fine or should we abandon it altogether?
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If you want higher activity requirements - go for it.
Removing mandatory voting? Hell no.
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Voting should be mandatory.
Not voting or missing a vote could result in a ban after the game ended.
Not voting should never result in a modkill.
Solved the problem.
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miss 1 vote = warning that last x months in banlist thread
miss another vote = 1 game ban
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Till banlist thingie resets.
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x should equal around 2 for a warning. Maybe even 1.
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On February 18 2016 21:35 Koshi wrote:
Voting should be mandatory.
Not voting or missing a vote could result in a ban after the game ended.
Not voting should never result in a modkill.
Solved the problem.
Pretty smart guy. But I would still modkill after the second missed vote.
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When we start having games where 6 people out of 13 do not vote on a dayphase (it's not uncommon at all on other mafia forums) i am gonna point out to this post and say "i told you so".
There is a reason why the level of play on TL Mafia is high, and it is not because we allow people to not have any stances (especially) on D1. I understand someone will probably argue "non-mandatory voting does not equal not scumhunting" but you're wrong, it does. If there is one or two guys like that you can just policy the shit out of them but when enough people have the same mindset (above) you get crap quality games.
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On February 18 2016 21:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 21:35 Koshi wrote:
Voting should be mandatory.
Not voting or missing a vote could result in a ban after the game ended.
Not voting should never result in a modkill.
Solved the problem. Pretty smart guy. But I would still modkill after the second missed vote.
nha. Because (s)he made at least a couple posts to not get modkilled for activity. Not voting never influences the game more than a modkill would.
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missing 2 votes is already a 1 game ban at least.
Problem is that hosts tend to modkill people and then not ask for modkills. That is a true crime. But this crime happens to obscure the fact they modkilled like donkeys with a brain tumor for a brain. Or they modkilled to end their game because they realized that during their game they fucked up and want to end the game and then modkill people at random.
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On February 18 2016 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
When we start having games where 6 people out of 13 do not vote on a dayphase (it's not uncommon at all on other mafia forums) i am gonna point out to this post and say "i told you so".
There is a reason why the level of play on TL Mafia is high, and it is not because we allow people to not have any stances (especially) on D1. I understand someone will probably argue "non-mandatory voting does not equal not scumhunting" but you're wrong, it does. If there is one or two guys like that you can just policy the shit out of them but when enough people have the same mindset (above) you get crap quality games.
I agree. I'd be very against removing mandatory voting.
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I'm fine with keeping mandatory voting, I just feel there should be a consequence for failing to vote the first time. Everyone knows the rule exists, yet it's still broken every single game.
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On February 18 2016 22:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm fine with keeping mandatory voting, I just feel there should be a consequence for failing to vote the first time. Everyone knows the rule exists, yet it's still broken every single game.
Yes, instant modkill and ban. If it ruins the game tough titties.
Otherwise it will not stop.
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On February 18 2016 22:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm fine with keeping mandatory voting, I just feel there should be a consequence for failing to vote the first time. Everyone knows the rule exists, yet it's still broken every single game.
Easy. Do what koshi says and warn/ban those people after the game.
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On February 18 2016 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 22:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm fine with keeping mandatory voting, I just feel there should be a consequence for failing to vote the first time. Everyone knows the rule exists, yet it's still broken every single game. Yes, instant modkill and ban. If it ruins the game tough titties. Otherwise it will not stop.
Do we also kill all the jews while we are at it?
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On February 18 2016 22:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 18 2016 22:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm fine with keeping mandatory voting, I just feel there should be a consequence for failing to vote the first time. Everyone knows the rule exists, yet it's still broken every single game. Yes, instant modkill and ban. If it ruins the game tough titties. Otherwise it will not stop. Do we also kill all the jews while we are at it?
All of them. And filthy belgians too.
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I would truly dislike the fact that a 2-week during game that got decently balanced got "ruined" and can't go to lylo because town loses 1 misslynch over a guy getting modkilled after his mother died 4 hours before the deadline and he had other things to do than vote on another guy who is setup wise 100% confirmed mafia and was leading votes 5-0.
But maybe I am crazy like that.
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On February 18 2016 22:11 Koshi wrote:
I would truly dislike the fact that a 2-week during game that got decently balanced got "ruined" and can't go to lylo because town loses 1 misslynch over a guy getting modkilled after his mother died 4 hours before the deadline and he had other things to do than vote on another guy who is setup wise 100% confirmed mafia and was leading votes 5-0.
But maybe I am crazy like that.
That is an unfortunate event. Maybe he could take three minutes to PM the host, maybe not (i would not fault them for not tbh). It has nothing to do with this and should not be used as an example.
What if we are in D19 in a long ass game - 4v1, where Koshi decided they have been mistreated and they are furious and claim "fuck you all i am not gonna do anything, modkill me for not voting". Koshi has failed to vote on D1. What if i decide to not vote aswell because "Koshi is being an ass and the game is ruined"?
Do you modkill Koshi and let me live? Is it fair in your opinion?
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On February 18 2016 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 22:11 Koshi wrote:
I would truly dislike the fact that a 2-week during game that got decently balanced got "ruined" and can't go to lylo because town loses 1 misslynch over a guy getting modkilled after his mother died 4 hours before the deadline and he had other things to do than vote on another guy who is setup wise 100% confirmed mafia and was leading votes 5-0.
But maybe I am crazy like that. That is an unfortunate event. Maybe he could take three minutes to PM the host, maybe not (i would not fault them for not tbh). It has nothing to do with this and should not be used as an example. What if we are in D19 in a long ass game - 4v1, where Koshi decided they have been mistreated and they are furious and claim "fuck you all i am not gonna do anything, modkill me for not voting". Koshi has failed to vote on D1. What if i decide to not vote aswell because "Koshi is being an ass and the game is ruined"? Do you modkill Koshi and let me live? Is it fair in your opinion?
I do not comprehend. Something about you being a dramaqueen on D19 because Koshi the Benevolent Ruler and best Belgian who ever lived and graced this beautiful earth didn't vote D1?
Sure. Be a dramaqueen and take the warning.
What if a lynchbait pretend to not be able to vote and gets himself strategically modkilled as town because for some reason the rules are that you are modkilled if you miss 1 vote even thought it is day 19 and you have a 75 page filter? And then you get a 1 game ban? Or maybe even a 0 game ban because the hosts are pussies and you have a good sobstory. (not that it is needed, banlist is filled with warnings after modkills)
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On February 18 2016 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 22:11 Koshi wrote:
I would truly dislike the fact that a 2-week during game that got decently balanced got "ruined" and can't go to lylo because town loses 1 misslynch over a guy getting modkilled after his mother died 4 hours before the deadline and he had other things to do than vote on another guy who is setup wise 100% confirmed mafia and was leading votes 5-0.
But maybe I am crazy like that. That is an unfortunate event. Maybe he could take three minutes to PM the host, maybe not (i would not fault them for not tbh). It has nothing to do with this and should not be used as an example. What if we are in D19 in a long ass game - 4v1, where Koshi decided they have been mistreated and they are furious and claim "fuck you all i am not gonna do anything, modkill me for not voting". Koshi has failed to vote on D1. What if i decide to not vote aswell because "Koshi is being an ass and the game is ruined"? Do you modkill Koshi and let me live? Is it fair in your opinion?
There is context. Not all no-votes are the same.
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On February 18 2016 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 22:11 Koshi wrote:
I would truly dislike the fact that a 2-week during game that got decently balanced got "ruined" and can't go to lylo because town loses 1 misslynch over a guy getting modkilled after his mother died 4 hours before the deadline and he had other things to do than vote on another guy who is setup wise 100% confirmed mafia and was leading votes 5-0.
But maybe I am crazy like that. That is an unfortunate event. Maybe he could take three minutes to PM the host, maybe not (i would not fault them for not tbh). It has nothing to do with this and should not be used as an example. What if we are in D19 in a long ass game - 4v1, where Koshi decided they have been mistreated and they are furious and claim "fuck you all i am not gonna do anything, modkill me for not voting". Koshi has failed to vote on D1. What if i decide to not vote aswell because "Koshi is being an ass and the game is ruined"? Do you modkill Koshi and let me live? Is it fair in your opinion?
You have to draw the line somewhere. I agree with koshi that modkilling after the first failure will ruin a lot of games and it is not worth it - it just happens once in a while. If you do it twice you are a god damn retard though. So yes, I think it is fair.
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On February 18 2016 22:26 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2016 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 18 2016 22:11 Koshi wrote:
I would truly dislike the fact that a 2-week during game that got decently balanced got "ruined" and can't go to lylo because town loses 1 misslynch over a guy getting modkilled after his mother died 4 hours before the deadline and he had other things to do than vote on another guy who is setup wise 100% confirmed mafia and was leading votes 5-0.
But maybe I am crazy like that. That is an unfortunate event. Maybe he could take three minutes to PM the host, maybe not (i would not fault them for not tbh). It has nothing to do with this and should not be used as an example. What if we are in D19 in a long ass game - 4v1, where Koshi decided they have been mistreated and they are furious and claim "fuck you all i am not gonna do anything, modkill me for not voting". Koshi has failed to vote on D1. What if i decide to not vote aswell because "Koshi is being an ass and the game is ruined"? Do you modkill Koshi and let me live? Is it fair in your opinion? You have to draw the line somewhere. I agree with koshi that modkilling after the first failure will ruin a lot of games and it is not worth it - it just happens once in a while. If you do it twice you are a god damn retard though. So yes, I think it is fair.
I want to point out that you only agree with yourself and that I said that we should never modkill if you fail to vote. Only if you also fail to obey the activity rules you can get modkilled.
I understand it looks better for your argument if you add the "I agree with Koshi" line. But what would make you look really intelligent is just to copy Koshi his idea.
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