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Chewbacca A lifetime smuggler, he is always by Han Solo's side to help as well as by the side of anyone who needs it. Each night, he can select one player to save and may not save the same player two consecutive nights Can he protect himself ? Han Solo Trouble in the galaxy? Just trap whoever you wish on the Millennium Falcon. You protect your target with your ship's barriers but your target cannot take any action. You take precedence over all other night actions and resolve simultaneously with the mafia roleblocker. 5 Roleblockers resolve simultaneously. Any applicable secondary abilities will be stopped. So if Han Solo targets person X and is roleblocked, X is roleblocked but not protected right ? | ||
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I gotta agree with most of my friends that hated it that the story wasn't super good nor original. BUT IT WAS AWESOME NONETHELESS Except for the big bad guy's face p: | ||
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On February 04 2016 00:09 justanothertownie wrote: I already asked the same earlier. There are 4 mafia. Cool missed it | ||
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On February 04 2016 00:55 justanothertownie wrote: 3 seconds... dude | ||
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Gl hf everyone | ||
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This post is weird. Like, ritoky finds disfo's reasonning weird (maybe scum indicative too), but the first thing he states is "right conclusion", as if he wanted to subtily insist of the fact that he's town. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:22 ritoky wrote: no quick read on me, have you given up on it? Good question. On February 04 2016 09:28 Damdred wrote: I have my quick read on you written down. am trying to focus on scummy things like my hero palmar tells me to. So if I understand the first line correctly, you already know what your "ritoky quick read' is but you won't share it ? | ||
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On February 04 2016 10:04 darthfoley wrote: I am here, and ready to things I have a bad feeling about this post. Here are his first posts almost 2 hours before: On February 04 2016 08:13 darthfoley wrote: hello all, i am here On February 04 2016 08:16 darthfoley wrote: roger that Gold leader So here is what darth did: 1 - enter the thread "I am there" 2 - shit post ----- 2 hours pass ------- 3 - enter the thread "I am there" I don't like this repetition. There is no excuse in the first posts, like "I'll be there in 2 hours I'm working right now". It also happens 20 minutes after being called out by disfo for being there and not doing anything. This might be indicative of scum wanting to enter the thread early just to show he's there while not doing anything; but after being called out for doing exactly that, coming back to show he's playing the game seriously. | ||
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On February 04 2016 10:35 darthfoley wrote: Likewise, I don't particularly like this "read." The explanation was basically hearsay, so I'm still not a fan "hearsay" ? What did you not like in his explanation ? | ||
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On February 04 2016 12:16 ritoky wrote: 1) notifying that he is going out of his way to post from an inconvenient place -> notice me senpai 2) "almost forgot" -> something he must tell us! must be important 3) deferring to nocturnemage a) now confirmed not important b) if town is deferring to someone who's alignment he doesn't know for no reason 4) trying to discredit meta which CAN be a useful tool 5) smiley face cuz clearly "i'm joking gaiz" nothing about this post is good in any way. all of it is legit hot trash. Mm this is good. | ||
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On February 04 2016 18:41 ritoky wrote: does knowing this is his 3rd game ever change your opinion of any of this rels? Talking about darth right ? No. Why should it ? | ||
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Furthermore these are super wrong: And then, if you pull out a rather big reasoning, why do not go the road down until the end and call disfo out as scum? [...] Plus, I have the impression that ritoky interacts with a lot of people, however he doesn't settle on someone yet. If ritoky was calling someone "confirmed scum" or was settled on someone's lynch like 12 hours into D1, I would find it scummy. Being "undecided" is NOT a town point for ritoky, but it is NOT a scum point either. Nobody should have clear reads with a < 10 pages game. | ||
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On February 04 2016 18:44 boxerfred wrote: When he was scum with me, he went full "Hey guys, I'm new, this is how we play now, okay?". I feel like I have a decent chance of identifying his scum game. In the game I was scum with him he tried really hard to either fly under the radar or establish himself as town, he didn't push anyone too hard, so yeah. I'd put him on my "potential lurker watch" list while not scumreading him yet. What I called out was something similar to " fly under the radar", why is it not scum indicative here ? I don't feel he is "pushing anyone too hard" too ? Meta off one game (his first scum game too ?) is kinda irrelevant anyway. | ||
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On February 04 2016 18:51 ritoky wrote: yes it should inform your read to some degree at least in terms of tone considering this is his first non-student game. So does darth being a noob makes this a little less scum indicative ? On February 04 2016 18:33 Rels wrote: I have a bad feeling about this post. Here are his first posts almost 2 hours before: So here is what darth did: 1 - enter the thread "I am there" 2 - shit post ----- 2 hours pass ------- 3 - enter the thread "I am there" I don't like this repetition. There is no excuse in the first posts, like "I'll be there in 2 hours I'm working right now". It also happens 20 minutes after being called out by disfo for being there and not doing anything. This might be indicative of scum wanting to enter the thread early just to show he's there while not doing anything; but after being called out for doing exactly that, coming back to show he's playing the game seriously. I think it's more likely that scum would enter the thread, do nothing, then enters the thread again when called out than a town. I think it's more likely that noob scum would enter the thread, do nothing, then enters the thread again when called out than a noob town. | ||
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On February 04 2016 18:59 boxerfred wrote: Of course it's scum indicative but we have D1. How about letting the thread develop some more ours and then start to look into what darthfoley's doing? How is that not what I'm doing ? I'm calling out what I see and asking question, not advocating people to vote for him. I only talked more about him because you and ritoky answered my post. I don't understand why you are calling me out on that. | ||
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On February 04 2016 12:34 NocturneMage wrote: yo.... up a bit late but let's see what I can get out of the first few pages before I crash page 9/10 Zyrre - says he's town in the opening salve and then apparently bails. Don't know the guy, seems new to the forums. He could have gotten something of the rest of page 9 or at least something behind but didn't. For now a light scum lean. Contrast that with marvellosity who just checked in and I got a "whatever" vibe from him. Mind you it's late for both of them, so IDK. How did you know Zyrr bailed after page 10 ? How did you know marv bailed after page 10 ? Darth did the same thing than those two page 9. Why did you not talk about him ? On February 04 2016 12:34 NocturneMage wrote: Don't like VayneAuthority's post 238 asking Damdred's methodology. Why can't he just separate the pre-game whatever and judge what Damdred has actually done? Seems a bit forced there. Why ? | ||
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On February 04 2016 18:40 boxerfred wrote: And then, if you pull out a rather big reasoning, why do not go the road down until the end and call disfo out as scum? (1) You think people that puts"big reasonning" should be calling their targets scum. On February 04 2016 18:44 boxerfred wrote: When he was scum with me, he went full "Hey guys, I'm new, this is how we play now, okay?". I feel like I have a decent chance of identifying his scum game. In the game I was scum with him he tried really hard to either fly under the radar or establish himself as town, he didn't push anyone too hard, so yeah. I'd put him on my "potential lurker watch" list while not scumreading him yet. On February 04 2016 18:59 boxerfred wrote: Of course it's scum indicative but we have D1. How about letting the thread develop some more ours and then start to look into what darthfoley's doing? (2) I put some reasonning as to why darth could be scum, I'm not even calling him scum mind you; but you still think my read on him is too strong. Can you explain why you react differently to two situations that seems extremely similar ? | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:43 marvellosity wrote: is it me or does this post not make any sense? he's pushing ritoky and the fact he's pushing the guy who's posting the most / doing the most stuff actually comes across rather townie to me ? This post makes perfect sense to me. Scum tries to play like they would as town, so not everything that scum is writing is scummy. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:46 marvellosity wrote: no Rels Palmar: "bf is going after disfo" marv: "er, no he isn't, he's going after ritoky" On February 04 2016 19:13 Palmar wrote: by he I mean ritoky the point is, he broke down every single thing ritoky said and I didn't get the impression any of it was just "meh" If ritoky is mafia because of the post he made it's because one of his reasons or something is bullshit. | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:17 justanothertownie wrote: In general yes. But not to a point where you don't trust anybody at all because that's not how you win as town. And Palmar who is probably the most experienced player in this game perfectly knows it. This wasn't the first time he townread a mafia, in fact he always says "there is always that one mafia who slips into my townreads" so this should not be shocking to him. That's true. Palmar, you spent all game lynching scum last game until you died AND you did say that a scum would always slip in your townreads. I have no idea why you feel like "This game is going to be painful"; it doesn't make sense after your amazing reads last game. | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:18 boxerfred wrote: Hm yeah, I can see this scenario. However one push doesn't make a tunnel. I have time for Mafia, I even scheduled time windows to be able to fucking play. So I won't limit myself to one case D1, don't worry. Also, if I die N1, your pretty screwed imho, so if this is really town on town, it goes both ways, whoever dies of us. If it's one of us. I'm pretty you meant to answer this post: On February 04 2016 20:27 ritoky wrote: it's alright dude, you can tunnel me all day 1, then when i get shot night 1 you'll realize you're wrong, then day 2 everyone will lynch you because you've been so wrong and talked about literal nothing else in your filter and have no leg to stand on in defense of yourself. And instead you answered to this post that is just above: On February 04 2016 20:24 marvellosity wrote: that's silly. we talked about this on irc, multi-family teams are almost designed for mafia to be able to look super good. pun intended I have no idea how you managed to do that. | ||
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I have no idea how boxerfred managed to respond to your post instead of ritoky's, when I assume he wanted to answer to ritoky. | ||
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Could scum post that ? It's soooooooo scummy that I'm kinda thinking it's town indicative. Like, kush does nothing for 10 hours; comes back with this post; then GTFO. Scum are generally trying to be more careful with their posts. | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:47 disformation wrote: Oh wow. Was just about to say that he hasn't posted yet. Seems I missed this one. In my experience kushs/noons thread entries as town are always scummy as hell, but I haven't played with a scum!kush/noon so far. Does anyone know if his thread entries are as wonky as this. ppl who haven't posted yet: Onegu MoosyDoosy He posted more things than just that post. | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:50 Koshi wrote: Kush plays bold as mafia. This post makes him more likely mafia. OK. Hopefully he will confirm what you've just said. | ||
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One thing I remarked but I've no idea how to interpret is that JAT is talking about Palmar as if Palmar is confirmed scum here: On February 04 2016 22:14 justanothertownie wrote: Like if Palmar was actually interested in our alignment he would just let us do our thing instead and proceed from there. Is this AI one way or another for JAT to do this on leans ? | ||
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On February 04 2016 18:39 Rels wrote: "hearsay" ? What did you not like in his explanation ? | ||
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On February 04 2016 23:10 Koshi wrote: + Show Spoiler + And for the people really paying attention they could find the reason. So if we read Palmar's filter and know what to look for, we could find a tell that Palmar is town ? | ||
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On February 04 2016 23:54 Damdred wrote: I'm awake and caught up I'll post more after coffee but jat pretty sexy today I must admit, bf oozing that town ness. Rels, don't you think when Darth was under pressure for some of his posts that he responded pretty towny for a newb. And his refusal to let me white knight him at that point showed a decent mind set no? Agree on both JAT and BF. I've explained what I didn't like about Darth: him entering the thread, not doing anything, then re-entering the thread when he was called out. That seemed fake to me. Let me see what you're talking about with his posts when being pressured. + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2016 11:29 darthfoley wrote: I never said Koshi was was town. I said that his play was NAI right now, because I've seen two different types of town Koshis so far. On February 04 2016 11:53 darthfoley wrote: In the PYP game, he was very jokey and trolled in the beginning. He has come across like that so far. On February 04 2016 12:55 darthfoley wrote: @Damdred I'm not going to use my experience as a crutch this game, so i'm fine defending my reads @Ritoky I think it's perfectly normal to be more comfortable reading people you've played with before. I only brought up the Zyrre thing because I have been scum read for doing a similar "woohoo, i'm town!" post early. Tbf I was town that game. You tell me that I have too much explanation for lack of content, while also giving disformation a hard time for stating reads without explanation. Hopefully i'll find your happy medium soon Meh I'm not convinced this is town indicative. Maybe the refusal to white kniting is, that's a pretty weird for scum to say. | ||
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On February 04 2016 18:21 Rels wrote: Good question. So if I understand the first line correctly, you already know what your "ritoky quick read' is but you won't share it ? | ||
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On February 05 2016 00:03 justanothertownie wrote: So in essence I genuinely believe this explanation is not reasonable. This is a weird thing to say. How can you "ungenuinely" believe something ? | ||
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On February 05 2016 00:15 marvellosity wrote: seems a little stretchy to me. i don't really see why a townie might not have done the same thing. I think scum is more likely to do that. | ||
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On February 05 2016 00:15 justanothertownie wrote: I answered like this because his question was worded this way. Oh OK (= | ||
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On February 05 2016 00:22 VayneAuthority wrote: you are really nitpicking rels, it is highly unlikely JAT is scum here. can whoever is here look at nocturnemage? I cant believe he never posted again zZ Yep I said the same like 5 posts ago. That won't stop me from calling out illogical things I see. I'm waiting for NM to answer something that didn't make sense from his PoV unless I'm missing something. | ||
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On February 05 2016 00:33 Damdred wrote: I think my answer is implied later on, but yes I haven't revealed my ritoky read and I am trying not to shit up the thread with long town lists currently. Now rels, your Darth read stems from coming in not doing things leaving coming back when mentioned and doing things. Why is that super indicative of him here when your initial read neglected to look at his small later contributions? It is not super indicative of anything. I did one post that explained what I didn't like, if you don't agree you can explain what is wrong with it: On February 04 2016 18:33 Rels wrote: I have a bad feeling about this post. Here are his first posts almost 2 hours before: So here is what darth did: 1 - enter the thread "I am there" 2 - shit post ----- 2 hours pass ------- 3 - enter the thread "I am there" I don't like this repetition. There is no excuse in the first posts, like "I'll be there in 2 hours I'm working right now". It also happens 20 minutes after being called out by disfo for being there and not doing anything. This might be indicative of scum wanting to enter the thread early just to show he's there while not doing anything; but after being called out for doing exactly that, coming back to show he's playing the game seriously. I never talked about it again unless someone talked to me about it, so I have no idea why you say "why is that super indicative of him". His other later contributions are NAI to me, maybe the white knight is a small town indicator but I'm not convinced. I'm waiting to what he answers to my question and what he does from now on. | ||
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On February 05 2016 00:41 Damdred wrote: I think technically the named towny is considered a blue in this setup and its probably best to wait to claim so you aren't dead by eod but that's just me... Though it probably depends who it is Yeah that's true. I think it's better for the named VT to not claim, as if he does he can be killed whenever scum wants. | ||
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On February 05 2016 00:48 NocturneMage wrote: VA's first post when I first read it jumped out as a lame excuse to me for calling someone mafia that didn't make someone necessarily mafia. There's nothing wrong to me making town reads (or forming a "town circle" as others might put it) or trying to do so and then proceeding from there. Especially that early in the game there's not a whole lot to go off of where you can have a reliable scum read. That's why I felt that entry was forced. You don't think that anymore ? | ||
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On February 05 2016 01:08 NocturneMage wrote: Read the exchange I had with him about cherry picking. The first post jumped out at me for scummy reasons. When I read the Damdred/VA exchange in full he looked worse IMO. He claimed a reaction test but didn't make a conclusion in the exchange itself - it took my intervention before he said "btw he's town" (paraphrasing). The whole thing just struck me as odd from a town side of things especially when (ignoring meta) being defensive for most people is generally a scummy trait. And current page, I also can't understand the rationale he's discussing when there is a strongman shot that can be used anytime, but that's a separate point. The bold is super bad. You're probably scum. This: On February 04 2016 10:26 VayneAuthority wrote: I know I was kidding, I just wanted to see if you reacted defensively. But anyways I'm starting to spam too now. guess ill wait for stuff to happen Is crystal clear. He "was kidding" and "wanted to see if you reacted defensively", so yeah he townread Damdred way before your post. | ||
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If yes, prove it 'cause others disagree. If no, why are you repeating "being defensive (ignoring meta) is a scum indicator" although you're talking about a specific situation that involves meta ? | ||
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On February 04 2016 13:11 NocturneMage wrote: No because you are scumreading me for something that don't make me mafia. Your side of the exchange was a grand total of two posts, the second of which was meta - under normal circumstances defensiveness is usually a scummy trait. You not saying it explicitly then was odd to me (no conclusion from the reaction test or his response to it). On February 05 2016 01:08 NocturneMage wrote: The whole thing just struck me as odd from a town side of things especially when (ignoring meta) being defensive for most people is generally a scummy trait. These. Why are you saying that when VA said it was a specific Damdred's meta ? You HAVE to disagree with the "Damdred defensive = town" meta, otherwise it doesn't make sense that you repeat it. | ||
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On February 05 2016 01:59 darthfoley wrote: @Rels, and a tiny bit of Koshi shade I think you're reading too much into a few cheeky posts at the beginning of the game. Nothing was really going on by that point, so I didn't feel the need to be super serious. I'm just not understanding why you aren't holding others to this similar standard of scum indicativeness; Zyrre, who made the "woo i'm town" post hasn't posted since and only NM seems to notice. He's also EU time which makes it even more sus imo. Yep, Zyrre is useless along with Onegu, Moosy and maybe others, and if the lynch was right now one of those would die. That fact doesn't forbid me to talk about things I find weird. On February 05 2016 01:59 darthfoley wrote: Not sure why other people can post shit memes and make jokes This doesn't prove anything and it's a bad defense. On February 05 2016 01:59 darthfoley wrote: but when I say "roger Gold leader" in a Star Wars themed game early D1, you scum read me for it. I literally said "i am here guyzzz"... like why would I ever be so literal in my phrasing if I were mafia? This whole poke on me seems a little overzealous to me. I understand probing, but this is pointless. When I say that I'll be back in some hours, but still make a post, I simply don't have the time to make in depth posts or filter dive, but I have enough time (~5 minutes) to defend myself from rather toothless accusations. Here you say I scumread for two things that are false: for a shitpost and for saying you "be back in some hours, but still make a post". I don't scumread you for that nor do I find any of it indicative of anything. What I found suspicious was your third post in the game: I didn't like that you entered the thread twice, the second time after you've been called out for posting and not saying anything. That's it. Don't make up things. So. I didn't ask you to answer my post about you 'casue you can't answer it. It's a small scum indicator you can't defend against so don't waste your time and prove you're town starting now. What I DID ask you about was: On February 04 2016 18:39 Rels wrote: "hearsay" ? What did you not like in his explanation ? | ||
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On February 05 2016 02:07 NocturneMage wrote: Got a breather. Alright, clearly I'm doing a terrible job explaining this because no one is understanding what I'm trying to say here. Going to try and refer post by post if that helps: First, Rels, my issue is not the townread. It's how he stated it and his tone in coming about it (post 238). Try and see this from the perspective of someone who's not played with this guy before. If I'm being bad or nitpicky, whatever I'm just pointing something that looked off. After Damdred responds, he's said he's kidding (post 241) then why would you say "I just wanted to see if you reacted defensively" as if he IS trying to get something out of that? That's what I put emphasis on. That's why just reading it, I expected a conclusion. And then only in post 266, he STATES that (presumably) based on meta Damdred is town. Why would you expect me to know that when I'm first reading it. Based on what you said, I POSTED after it, yes but that's because I was catching up. Damdred being defensive = town - generally I associate defensiveness with being scummy but my issue was that he didn't state ANY conclusion in post 241. He stated A conclusion after the fact. Does this at least make a little more sense now? No. 1 - I still don't understand how you can say you didn't think VA townread Damdred after his "it was a test" post. 1a - If VA clearly said in that post "Oh Damdred passed the test he's town", would you still scumread him ? 2 - About the defensive stuff, I also don't get you. VA's line of defense against you has been "Damdred is defensive => town meta" all game; so I don't understand why you are bringing up the fact that FOR YOU and GENERALLY, "defensive => scum". It has NO link whatsover with your read on VA, or VA's read on Damdred. | ||
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On February 05 2016 02:21 darthfoley wrote: Nah, not buddying you. Rels, I didn't like disformation's defense on his "hi, lemme throw you the weakest of townreads" because I don't know why you wouldn't explain it if you were kinda waiting for someone to ask you that question. It just seemed to me like track covering. I agree with his premise that you have to start somewhere, so if he had used that anecdotal evidence when he read Damdred initially, I probably would've been fine with it. I'm also not a fan of throwing reads out without bothering to explain them until you get pressed on them, and I don't think the solution is more people playing that style. Oh OK. I thought you had a problem with his read's explanation. This makes sense. (= | ||
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On February 05 2016 02:08 nooniansoong wrote: agree. my shitty attitude this game has nothing to do with my alignment. Anyway I don't think I play bold as scum. In my last scumgame I opened with a shitcase on vayne or something. Usually I'll give some effort to look townie day 1 before I completely stop giving a fuck by day 2. Here is a quote from you from Outlaw mafia: On January 13 2016 02:38 nooniansoong wrote: The benefit is people make arguments like you're making and base your scumread on it. Shit players like me and onegu do that as scum sometimes. Just do something that makes no sense. Its a lot easier than making content that looks townie. Explain ? | ||
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On February 05 2016 02:24 NocturneMage wrote: Rels - re 567 (1) because he didn't actually state it, (1a) the answer to that is no, depending on how he'd had stated that I'd ask why he's townreading him for defensiveness but that would have been explained surely (2) his stating it gives me more information about where he stands because we've used two different methods to come to two different conclusions in an isolated situation. and I say isolated because Damdred has had play outside of that exchange. still reading up... I don't understand anything about your scumread then. And I don't understand what you try to say in (2). I'll think about it going home but I'm pretty sure you're scum. | ||
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On February 05 2016 03:08 nooniansoong wrote: There is a chance but it's not good. yo can you answer me ? On February 05 2016 02:25 Rels wrote: Here is a quote from you from Outlaw mafia: Explain ? | ||
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On February 05 2016 05:04 disformation wrote: What does this mean for my alignment? I haven't seen you give a read on me in your filter. I don't have a read on you. I agree with ritoky that the post in question was bad though. | ||
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BUT RELS THIS IS UNFAIR ??? LOOK AT THAT GUY OVER THERE BEING USELESS TOO Shut up. This also applies to other useless people (Kush, Moosy, Zyrre). Happy ? | ||
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On February 05 2016 05:56 disformation wrote: Cool. Do you have any idea of what is going on? Some kind of Chezinu "hazing" I had to google translate that word so it might not be accurate p: | ||
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On February 05 2016 05:59 Chezinu wrote: For Rels? You underestimate the power of the useless. Glad to play with you again (= last time was fun. I'm still lynching you if you don't play properly though | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:03 disformation wrote: Eh? In my feeble understanding of the rule only applied to ppl who never played with you before and call you scum or something? How the fuck do you know the rule ? | ||
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On February 05 2016 02:08 NocturneMage wrote: Also this - FWIW, doesn't look a joking tone or a reaction test to me. OK I would like to know that actually. ritoky were you joking ? What do you think of VA ? | ||
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On February 05 2016 01:08 NocturneMage wrote: Read the exchange I had with him about cherry picking. The first post jumped out at me for scummy reasons. When I read the Damdred/VA exchange in full he looked worse IMO. He claimed a reaction test but didn't make a conclusion in the exchange itself - it took my intervention before he said "btw he's town" (paraphrasing). This is point 1 - VA made a bad post that he covered up with a "reaction test"; you can tell it was not a reaction test because he didn't state the result of the test before you pressured him. Can you explain to me how the following post doesn't imply that VA has a townread on Damdred ? On February 04 2016 10:26 VayneAuthority wrote: I know I was kidding, I just wanted to see if you reacted defensively. But anyways I'm starting to spam too now. guess ill wait for stuff to happen On February 05 2016 01:08 NocturneMage wrote: The whole thing just struck me as odd from a town side of things especially when (ignoring meta) being defensive for most people is generally a scummy trait. This is point 2 - VA uses Damdred's defensiveness to townread him, when defensiveness usually comes from scum => VA read makes no sense. This is fucking bullshit and I want to kill you just for writing that. This is so wrong I have a hard time explaining it. - VA doesn't use a "general scumtell", he uses a "meta scumtell", so this point DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING ... unless you disagree with the meta read - defensiveness => scum is not even true I seriously doubt you can explain to me how you could ever think that. On February 05 2016 01:08 NocturneMage wrote: And current page, I also can't understand the rationale he's discussing when there is a strongman shot that can be used anytime, but that's a separate point. 3. VA is trying to get blues to out without mentionning the strongman so he can snipe blues. I can understand this. But since he's said that was precisely his attention: making scum use the strongarm on named VT so other blues can be safer. Now do you believe it ? What do you think of his statement ? Was it a scum motivated plan ? On February 05 2016 02:12 VayneAuthority wrote: I actually suggested the named VT thing with regards to the strongman shot, seems like good bait to have that killed rather then actually good role and i thought i played 2 normals since I came back but I guess I only played unoriginal mafia by artanis marv. | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:17 disformation wrote: Also HtS got back to my PM: the strong arm thing appears to be a role and scum does not have a free strong arm shot for their faction. Seriously ? The OP is very badly written then. Like every role is like "he can frame", "he can assassinate", but the strongarm is "the scumteam can uses the strongarm shot". | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:27 disformation wrote: Yeah, nevermind. It is factional not a role. OK. Guess you are town then. (= | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:55 nooniansoong wrote: I will usually start off playing a more standard scum game, then I'll try to do some bold stuff to make up for my lack of actvity. So d1 = standard. d2+ = bold. But this game is under special circumstances, so I'm not arguing that you should be townreading me. Because I could easily do this as scum. IN fact if I were scum this game, I'd probably be playing exactly how I'm playing now. Nevertheless, I'll defend myself. 1 There are probably people who have put less effort than even me into this game. You might want to lynch them instead of me. 2 There is a slight possibility that d2 or 3 I will start to care. The caveat to this is that I will still be pretty useless because I'll have no idea what's going on. Sounds like bullshit. In game 1 you say you play bodly as scum, in game 2 you say you don't, and now instead of saying "I was wrong / saying another thing / whatever in game X", you say "Well I WAS RIGHT IN BOTH; you just have to mix the statements like that!" | ||
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On February 05 2016 03:07 nooniansoong wrote: i think it's safer to wait for d2 to see if I care. Beacuse on d1, I can care as mafia or not care as town. That's just a tip, not a plea to not lynch me today. I really wouldn't mind getting lynched. LOL koshi remember I told you I would have framed whatshisname and you were like "no u wouldn't" but I was mafia and i did. that was classic. Right now I'm not in a mindstate to enjoy this game as town or mafia. I was thinking about outing but it was too late. I was thinking about replacing, but I don't have a good excuse. I'd just afk but I don't want to do sitouts. And it amuses me mildly to troll you guys. This is also bullshit. You joined the game 11 hours before it started. I think you are scum playing the "I don't care about this game" card. | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:50 Palmar wrote: it's not a terrible idea, you have a knack for rolling scum That's it ? What are you doing Palmar. You're very underwhelming. | ||
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On February 05 2016 07:18 Palmar wrote: I was memorizing about how awesome I am writing that huge post in the other thread. Amaze me. You have 12 hours to do it. I wanna be amazed when I wake up. | ||
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On February 05 2016 08:02 Zyrre wrote: Went to bed shortly after the start, long day at work, and now back after reading the thread. I'm off work tomorrow so will try to post more before the lynch. Some reads: ritoky leaning scum from bf's reasoning and his defense. Just saying that posts are bad doesn't seem very productive, and saying he will lynch him quite early no matter if he is town or mafia. Says he wants to teach people by being "informed otherwise or punished for them". So due to his own reasoning he can just inform them and move on, but in this case he wanted to stop reading his posts and lynch him. Claimed bf was doing nothing else than tunneling him, see below what bf was doing otherwise. boxerfred leaning town Posted his read list of 6 people other than ritoky Asking koshi to post scumreads rather then townreads Calls out JAT for doing what he himself was arguing against(saying who was calling who scum, instead of the reasoning behind it) damdred slight scumlean Some activity but only asking what others think and this "I'm awake and caught up I'll post more after coffee but jat pretty sexy today I must admit, bf oozing that town ness." with no real followup noonian biggest scum read right now, at the moment would probably vote for him Saying he will not care about this game even if he lives Says if he was scum he would be playing like he is doing right now "There are probably people who have put less effort than even me into this game. You might want to lynch them instead of me. " -- literally zero reads posted Scum. | ||
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On February 05 2016 14:53 ritoky wrote: if you're talking about how he dumbtelled 3 mafia @ the end instead of 4 in a 17 person game, that's kinda meh in terms of dumb tells. No this is actually genius. Moosy is very likely town. | ||
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On February 05 2016 16:14 NocturneMage wrote: Alright, I'm crashing. Lynch list excluding policy reads as of now: Koshi/VA/Palmar/Zyrre, the latter being more of a compromise with a possible adjustment for expectations (see my post). I liked all your posts since I went to sleep. Not lynching you today for sure. (= I don't want to lynch Koshi, I don't think what you've said in your case make him scum; it's basically "we can't see his read progression". I don't know if Koshi is town, but I don't think this makes him scum. VA might be scum actually. There is a good point in your case: VA going: 1 => "Should named VT claim and we all sheep him ?" 2 => "I'm doing this so I can have a way out of playing D1 by sheeping" 3 => "Actually that was a test to bait the strongman on named VT" Seems weird. Palmar and Zyrre are definitely lynch worthy. | ||
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On February 05 2016 19:57 marvellosity wrote: i saw Rels mention it on the last page, and I thought the same as this post here - it's kinda meh in terms of dumbtells. But maybe the way it happens makes it more believable/genuine. Don't really know what to think exactly It's part meta too. I can very clearly see this coming from Moosy. In one game I've played with him, he was town!roleblocker but didn't know he could stop scum KP because he didn't read the OP. In addition, Moosy is super serious as scum; he could replicate his "silly" town meta pretty easily, but I don't think he would think of this dumbtell. It doesn't even feel like a forced dumbtell: he played a game until there were only 3 names left. It could have go unnoticed very easily. I didn't notice it. | ||
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On February 05 2016 20:01 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Palmar *holds out hand* Hehehehe this is very tempting. =D | ||
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On February 05 2016 20:03 justanothertownie wrote: You are aware that he stole that point from marv? OK. p: | ||
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On February 05 2016 20:31 marvellosity wrote: So I think this post: is much, much, much, much better than this post: Look at the train of thought in the first post, look at him trying to work out something that happened in the game, and then the followable train of thought when he's talking about other players This post is really good. marv is almost conf town in my mind. I read the first few posts of zyrre in the other game and the difference is day and night. The only thing is that the game is 2 and a half years old so it's not fresh meta, but it shows that Zyrre is capable of subtle reads. His garbage list post is even more garbage when we compare it to what he is capable of. | ||
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On February 05 2016 21:31 nooniansoong wrote: If I were trying to lynch scum, I'd vote zyrre. But I'm sticking to my guns and pvoting. Then why did you post this post: You want to lynch the same people I do except you (duh) and Palmar (not a lynchbait). What is your thought process here ? "This guy wants to lytnch the same people than me but I will make a negative post about his lynch list". Explain ? | ||
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On February 06 2016 04:27 nooniansoong wrote: bro i already took care of helping your mom =D =D =D =D | ||
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marv's points on BF were good + the post Koshi called out where BF backtracked on his "1 of these 2 is scum" idea + deferred it was super bad. Still think Zyrre is scum too. I understand the "he's an easy lynchbait" argument but it doesn't hold any water. He's lynchbait because he's scummy, he's scummy so he's likely scum. That doesn't work the other way around. p: | ||
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On February 06 2016 04:23 nooniansoong wrote: holy.. i have a 3 page filter and d1 isn't even over yet. conf. town Have you played any scum game that is not in the database ? | ||
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I actually knew that p: so that means you didn't play any game with the noon account. | ||
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On February 06 2016 04:28 NocturneMage wrote: Regardless of your alignment, this is pathetic from you. /discuss I feel that this kind of post is very hard to make for scum. | ||
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On February 06 2016 04:52 nooniansoong wrote: i was scum with darth and boxer it was a disaster http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia | ||
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On February 06 2016 04:56 nooniansoong wrote: dunno why people compare rels to rayn. rels is way cooler and isn't as mean or annoying. Pocket success! | ||
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On February 06 2016 07:13 justanothertownie wrote: :/ The only reason I would consider this is the fact that Palmar is still fucking afk and I would expect him to post regardless of alignment. If he had excused himself earlier I would be on board with this. But he promised doing stuff today and completely bailed... My thoughts too. | ||
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On February 06 2016 07:34 Zyrre wrote: Cant a guy play some dota without getting lynched? Darth, I agree it seemed a bit odd with no pushback to Palmar. However now there is and some are voting for me instead. You say you want to lynch palmar day 2. Surely if he is this afk it would be easier to read me day2 to determine if I was mafia than if he keeps not posting? LOL So you were fake AFK all this time ? | ||
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On February 06 2016 07:46 NocturneMage wrote: Onegu is policy lynch category for me. And Koshi's vote is way the hell more scummy, if not for the reasoning alone. Goddamnit. Yeah I've been suspicious of Koshi but come on guys. What is his reasonning and what is scummy about it ? | ||
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On February 06 2016 05:21 ritoky wrote: i am content with marvs case on palmar, and palmar's lack of thread presence + clear indication of target or person he plans to sheep is an okay reason to lynch him. noon is probably town for reasons i am not allowed to speak about yet. i am kinda considering a koshi lynch tbh, he doesn't scream town. plus he left saying he "100% disagrees with the lynch" while doing nothing koshi-like to fight it. that's super hipster of him, and town koshi burns with passion, isn't a hipster. OK to vote Palmar => doesn't do it. Considering a Koshi lynch => well that was never happening. | ||
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On February 06 2016 07:51 ritoky wrote: even if i wanted to, i am not gonna vote for palmar and hand a hammer to moosy, 1gu, or palmar himself. that sounds stupid. You don't scumread Palmar anymore ? 'cause "even if I wanted to" means you wouldn't vote to lynch Palmar regardless of anything else. | ||
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On February 06 2016 07:53 ritoky wrote: actually fuck it, i am stupid enough. voting palmar. Can you answer above's post ? You just said you wouldn't want to vote Palmar even if the hammer situation wasn't happening. I'm not following you. | ||
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On February 06 2016 07:59 Palmar wrote: uh please don't lynch? free compliments for anyone who switches? not read anything since yesterday so no analysis though hahaha | ||
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On February 06 2016 08:13 justanothertownie wrote: Palmar, I don't care if you don't play on weekends. If you are the townies motherfucker in this game by the end of day2 I am murdering you with all the fires in the world. No. He's dead whatever happen. He came back to the thread seconds before deadline to save himself while being AFK all day. He's 100% scum. | ||
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On February 06 2016 08:14 nooniansoong wrote: this post seems town though, right? he thought he was dead. No. | ||
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On February 06 2016 08:16 nooniansoong wrote: why not? otherwise why would he say sorry 'cause in case he survives it's town indicative. In case he dies it's no info. There is 0 AI stuff in that post alone. | ||
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On February 06 2016 21:15 boxerfred wrote: No. Why would "I'm not mafia" affect my read in any way? I don't care too much tbh though I'm still pissed. I'm going to vote for MD day 2 and be useless, joining chez/MD/kush in that matter. Dunno, it's your read not mine. It changed my read on him from "scum" to "100% scum". So you still townread him. Why do you want to vig shoot a super valuable town if you townread him ? | ||
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On February 06 2016 21:21 disformation wrote: Sry, my play is pretty disgusting this game, even for my standards. It's quite easy though. If Palmar is scum, every person on the Palmar train + marv + JAT are very likely town. I have big reservations on ritoky, but his vote is a big town indicator if Palmar is scum. | ||
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I'm not saying he didn't have something to do BTW, maybe he did; I'm saying his attitude regarding how he AFK was scum. On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote: bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word. This might indicate BF as town. It's early in the game, nobody is quite under suspicions yet, Palmar knows he's good at creating wagons, I don't think he would create suspicions on his teammate ? Plus I think he is known for not bussing, even if this can be broken for one particular game of course. Later he rescinded this read so I'm not sure it is very AI actually. On February 04 2016 22:51 Palmar wrote: I would feel a lot better about you defending me koshi if you actually explained what the tell is. I don't really care if you want to use it in the future. Koshi explain your tell please. | ||
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On February 08 2016 00:32 boxerfred wrote: Rels this does not indicate me being town. in this post: Palmar refers to ritoky not me. Yep that's what I said. My point is: Palmar said you might be scum at a time when noone was really suspected => you're not scum with him. Maybe ? It doesn't feel super strong actually. | ||
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I don't like Koshi at all, he might very well be scum. Here is why: 1 D1 the only real thing he did was pushing kush + opposing Palmar's lynch. That's it. No read on anyone else, especially Zyrre. Like, I think this is the only post about Zyrre in his filter: On February 05 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote: It actually isn't. I can see him believe that. I can believe it. Then: On February 06 2016 02:58 Koshi wrote: Kush comming in and giving a townread on Palmar and rescind a townread on Zyrre is not doing things. Well, he ended up voting Zurre with kush. 2 I don't like that he townreads Palmar early using a "secret tell" Palmar apparently only does when he's scum. Where is the fucking tell now ? Then, he scumreads Palmar more and more as votes piles up on him, and votes him, but is still against his lynch. In particular, the last post is super weird in the progression: On February 04 2016 20:51 Koshi wrote: Ugh... Palmar is almost certainly not mafia here. I have a pretty good tell for him when he is mafia. It's not this. On February 04 2016 22:31 Koshi wrote: This I can agree with. Would expect Palmar to be even more cocky tbh. On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote: I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this. If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous. But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally. On February 06 2016 03:48 Koshi wrote: This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town. On February 06 2016 04:06 Koshi wrote: I got indoor soccer at 2100. But it will take a while after I played and I might only be around on phone depending on what we will do. I am not against a Palmar lynch in theory. But I strongly suggest not lynching him. On February 06 2016 04:12 Koshi wrote: Fuck I need to go........ I disagree with this lynch 100% There is all this progression from "100% town" to "if he's town it's a bad lynch" to "I'm not really against Palmar's lynch but I think we should wait" to finally ... "I disagree with the lynch 100%". IT MAKES NO SENSE, especially 6 minutes after saying "I am not against a Palmar lynch in theory". 3 Finally, I dislike all the random questions / opinions that is in his filter, and that doesn't serve any purpose / does not lead to anything. Examples: On February 05 2016 02:14 Koshi wrote: Also darthfoley might be buddying me because that defense was actually really bad. On February 05 2016 02:54 Koshi wrote: I actually don't think JAT is mafia this game. I feel dirty. On February 05 2016 02:57 Koshi wrote: ritoky is Damdred mafia? On February 05 2016 03:04 Koshi wrote: Damdred his posts have been really bad. Holy mozes. On February 05 2016 20:22 Koshi wrote: Do you have a scumgame of his? I only remember 1 town game. It was horrid. Where is the follow up ? Especially in Moosy's and BF's case, where he shows he has suspicions but don't talk about them anymore. | ||
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On February 08 2016 00:43 boxerfred wrote: I don't understand that. This is what Palmar says. Instead of "bf", he wanted to say "ritoky". So no, he doesn't say I'm scummy, he says RITOKY is scummy. Am I dumb for not seeing what you mean? He really said you were scummy. The sentence should read: bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point ritoky made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word. You have to replace the "he", not the "bf". | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:03 nooniansoong wrote: From rels post that makes me townread Koshi. Town is more likely to change their reads without telling anyone. The progression from I'm okay with lynching Palmer to I'm 100 % against the lynch near lylo looks townie to me. He agrees there is something weird on Palmar, but prefers lynching a guy that he never talked about apart for a post where he townreads him AND is being voted by his super scumread ? There is no sense here. | ||
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All Palmar voters are likely town, along with marv darth and kush. So that only leaves 5 people: Onegu Chez BF Moosy Koshi. And I think Moosy is town, for a kinda dumb reason but I think it's pretty good. | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:13 nooniansoong wrote: So why would he fake those reads as scum if there is no sense there? I think more likely he has reasons that haven't been communicated to the thread. To save Palmar and get Zyrre lynched instead ... kinda important right ? | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:14 nooniansoong wrote: Lol rels you are going way too deep with this vca. To me it looks like scum killed strong town players who weren't likely to be protected. Not saying them being killed proves you are town because you wouldn't have killed them; what I'm thinking is that both of them being (1) confirmed town (2) strong town and (3) townreading you is a strong indicator of you being town. | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:19 nooniansoong wrote: I guess, but I'd expect scum to be more subtle about it. There is no logic as to why Koshi voted Zyrre when (1) he townread him in the only post he talked about him (2) YOU (his scum nemesis) voted him and (3) he was kinda agreeing that something was wrong with Palmar. | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:20 disformation wrote: I think JAT said something about Koshi's vote not being scum indicative. Meanwhile I wasn't able to find a single read in darthfoley's filter. Like he has a bunch of "I dislike x" and "I like y" but besides being most confident in zyrre being scum he has not a single solid read. Dunno, while I agree he doesn't have strong reads, his posts shows a very townie mindset IMO. Especially when he explained why he didn't vote Palmar and started to Zyrre wagon by himself. Why he preferred Zyrre to Palmar is very clearly stated, contrary to some other people (Koshi, Chez ...). There is also the fact that both Damdred and ritoky townread him for his attitude as a newbie. Ritoky in particular, his read was "either Darth has improved a lot as scum or he's town". | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:27 Koshi wrote: 1) I talked way more about Zyyre than that. I commented on him as soon as marv made his case. and a couple times more. Also Zyrre was not going to happen when I left for soccer. 2) I townread him for having 4 pages of filter in the early games and because I thought his posts would be more disconnected if he was mafia (tell= story to his posts, might be a bad tell, but it worked 2/2 in the past). And I didn't want to lynch a strong town player D1 who was afk. I actually was debating to consolidate on Palmar when I left for soccer, but instead I typed "I disagree with this lynch" to make sure it wouldn't be too easy to lynch an afk strong town. 3) I have no problem with any of those posts. What exactly makes me mafia in those posts Rels? You never say it makes me mafia, you just say you don't understand or it makes no sense. So tell me. What makes it mafia Koshi? It's actually how a scum would act. About your general attitude: tunnel on one particular player (kush) so it's easy to not do stuff; post one-shot stuff on other people (Moosy, Onegu, Damdred) that does not lead anywhere to pretend you're doing stuff. If you're town, you're playing a scum game. About your Palmar read: you were against his lynch but didn't do much to save him. Darth started the counter wagon, not you. That's how scum generally acts when a teammate is lynched: they don't want to be seen as "the guy that stopped a scum lynch", but they don't awnt to simply lynch their partner either. About your vote on Zyrre: kush, your big scumrezad, was voting him. It makes no sense that you voted with your main scurmead when you were wary of Palmar. It makes sense as scum though, 'cause you woulldn't care about stuff like that. | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:34 disformation wrote: Doesn't help with the fact that I have no clue, where his reads are at. Also: The flower? MD has actual reads and they even make sense? Oo Does he ? p: I need to check that | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:38 Koshi wrote: I had 0 clues that Kush was on Zyrre. The only thing I knew was that JAT said it was a good place to be and that marv voted him. Also. Do you townread Kush? Yes. What was your tell of Palmar not being scum ? | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:39 Koshi wrote: Do you strong townread Kush and why? Filter size. Also, he seems to care somewhat, but filter size mainly. | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:41 nooniansoong wrote: to be fair to koshi I did pad my filter with a bunch of shit. If it was that easy to shitpost your filter size to a large number as scum you would have done it in at least one scum game. | ||
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He kinda scumreads me so it is not valid. p: | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:50 disformation wrote: How did damdy get his TR on MD? He thought there was only 3 scums when there are 4. | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:51 nooniansoong wrote: [M][T] Witchcraft Mini Mafia Mafia Witch Hunter Endgamed Day 5 14 page filter! So like 3 pages / phase ? Seems average. | ||
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On February 08 2016 02:21 nooniansoong wrote: Is this a fair assessment of moosey's meta? he's trying to he's probably mafia. Yep. | ||
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BF, there is a scum vig role. It was talked about in thread so I have no idea how you could miss it. | ||
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On February 08 2016 03:12 Koshi wrote: Can you pass the torch of scumreading me to somebody with a brain? Explain ? | ||
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On February 05 2016 19:33 Koshi wrote: Activity + how he played. As mafia he tends to pop in and not have a real story behind his game. But there is constant not really activity but activity. As town he is either completely useless but the story fits, or afk. I don't understand how that read applies to the game. Palmar didn't haev a "story" this game, and he wasn't noticably AFK when you posted that. | ||
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On February 08 2016 04:11 NocturneMage wrote: This next post is mainly for Rels and disformation regarding Moosy Doosy - Day 1 - read pages 39 through 41 Night 1/Day 2 Can either of you - or anyone else if you wish - comment on these reads by MoosyDoosy here? Something feels off but I can't put my finger on it. His criteria for reading me is completely wrong, whether it's contrived is 50/50. I've only played with him twice. The thing with my questioning on day 1 if you read through page 42 I think is he eventually bailed when I talked to him as to why he was scumreading ritoky. It felt weird and "it's Day 1" doesn't cut it. Just answer the question and then leave. Rels especially his read on you, and especially how you scumread me for not being logical day 1 versus him townreading me day 1 for being convoluted. It's just weird. Also I told him there's no way his read circles back to ritoky as mafia. Also his following Day 2 was telling me to spit out fire - I'm assuming reads - but looking through his filter I think if anyone needs to spit out reads, I think it's him, quite frankly. He has marv/DF as town d1 and concerns with Rels. That's it. His read on me is 100% consistent with what he's said in previous games. | ||
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On February 08 2016 04:17 darthfoley wrote: Marv's Palmar progression + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2016 22:34 marvellosity wrote: jat: i don't have a particular opinion on Palmar On February 04 2016 23:00 marvellosity wrote: oh Palmar gave a longer/prettier answer. well boo On February 05 2016 20:01 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Palmar *holds out hand* On February 06 2016 02:35 marvellosity wrote: okay, quick post before I go. Thoughts on the lynch: Palmar - my vote is on him, and he's a decent lynch. Actually I think his absence today is kinda non-admissable, i think as either alignment he'd show up if he could. Not totally sure though. My main issue with Palmar is that he has quite a few posts but none of them are really pushing anything forward or finding mafia. Ironically if his filter was half the size I'd be more inclined to think he was town. If he comes in later while i'm out and makes a case on me, lynch him. Just lynch him. He knows I am town (or should at least feel i am) and would never want to lynch me today, he'd only be doing it to destabilise whatever influence I have on town. And yes he'd do it even after I wrote this. He may come back and look town, which is nice. I'd also note it's not beyond mafia Palmar to afk and hope for the best when he's mafia, even if i do rather think he'd come and try do stuff. Zyrre - I wrote stuff already. But really I just want people to do this. I will make it easy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=Zyrre http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/422313-newbie-mini-mafia-xlv?user=Zyrre His filter from this game, and his towngame in the newbie. Just read the first page of the newbie game. Just do it.. I find it very, very hard to believe these 2 filters are from the same alignment. The filters are just *so* *different*. I'm not even going to do any explanation. If you can't see it, stab yourself in the face for being terrible. For him to be town I'd have to believe he's just SOOOOO overawed by this game (I do not believe this for a moment, not to this extent). I think I trust jat. tbh if I didn't think I was coming back at all before deadline I'd place my vote on Zyrre right now. But I will leave it on Palmar for now and change it later as necessary. On February 06 2016 07:09 marvellosity wrote: I can't escape the socialising so I've not read anything. So many palmar votes and not so on Zyrre. I'm gonna vote Zyrre, he's my top % play. Palmer could well still be mafia but the votecount made me a little nervous and I really think Zyrre is mafia. Maybe palmar can have another day? unvote ##vote Zyrre I'm not going to be able to read ppls replies to this really so just do what you think is best. This is what I think is best for now and that's all I have control over. I agree that Marv was not invested in the Palmar lynch and was quite wishy washy for someone who apparently has the hard reads on him. "I think his absence is non-admissible... but it could come from either alignment... not totally sure though... oh yea btw if he comes back while i'm gone and says im scum, DONT LISTEN TO HIM (even though I just said his play could come from either alignment") If his lack of play could come from either alignment, it's false to say it's non-admissible. He also says that if he thought he wasn't going to come back before the deadline, he would vote for Zyrre, but that he's keeping his vote on Palmar and change it later if necessary. Except that a few paragraphs earlier he specifically told everyone not to drink the Palmar Kool-Aid and keep your vote on him. He then jumps on the "VC is making me nervous train at #1319" (I had commented on it at #1308) and switches to Zyrre. This progression/line of reasoning throughout is suspicious to me and i'm scum reading marv Get Zyrre ML D1 is easy, while knowing it will leave Palmar in an almost impossible hole to fight out of D2 given the rapid vote swing, guaranteeing another mislynch. I really disagree with that last sentence. Your suggestion of scum!marv saving town!Palmar for another is an impossible situation I think. | ||
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On February 08 2016 07:44 NocturneMage wrote: Battle of the Drams, I observed. MoosyDoosy - town roleblocker - didn't know how to play his blue role. But still, 29 pages of filter through three cycles. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?user=MoosyDoosy Look at how he pushes scum Rels in that game towards the end. Or his filter in general there, after day 1. I don't remember him pushing me, I'm pretty sure he townread me for the counterclaim. p: | ||
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On December 04 2015 03:31 Trfel wrote: Why NocturneMage is Mafia Warning: this case will probably be extremely long. I tried a short case with only the essentials, but no one believed me. So I am trying this instead. Warning 2: this case will probably include a lot of meta. I did not want it to be that way. My first case included minimal meta. However, meta has been used to defend MoosyDoosy/NocturneMage, so I must first demonstrate why that meta defense is incorrect and then demonstrate why meta shows that NocturneMage is mafia. Warning 3: as careful as I try to be, there's probably at least one typo/formatting error somewhere. And I'm not going to proofread this as I would be here all day. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Note: I will be using MoosyDoosy's filters from the following three games to describe his town meta. I have only read one of the three games mentioned (Newbie Student Mafia XVII). This means that some of the meta reads used may have flaws, however I do not think this is the case. It is noteworthy that in Newbie Student Mafia XVII (the latest game), MoosyDoosy said that meta reads on him do not apply because he's played so many games on another site and his meta has changed. Newbie Student Mafia XVII is very recent, is the game that I'm familiar with, and strongly supports my point, so this cannot hurt the strength of my read (and may help it). Part 1: For those who say MoosyDoosy is unreadable + Show Spoiler + MoosyDoosy often plays very differently as town than most people do. And many people are not used to this. Saying that MoosyDoosy is unreadable as town is a very false statement, however. There have been other players in the past who have been sometimes considered "unreadable". Alakaslam and Chezinu are two examples of this, I might also consider LightningStrike (arguable). In truth, no one is unreadable. Everyone has tells on some level, reasoning that can be applied to their play on some level, because mafia knows that they are mafia and is trying to survive while town knows that they are town and is trying to catch scum/isn't playing to survive. In the past, people have demonstrated an acceptable ability to read Alakaslam, Chezinu, and LightningStrike. People have also demonstrated an ability to read MoosyDoosy, as shown by geript in Newbie Student Mafia XVII. Also, geript can be a very good player as town; this read on MoosyDoosy was not caused by luck. In this game, geript caught two of the three scum members with extreme confidence by the end of Night 1 (at least, pretty sure it was even earlier, but whatever). On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote: The read that geript used on MoosyDoosy here is somewhat specific to that game, however my point is that it can be done. It can't be approached the same way every game, but if you pay attention and look for things that you wouldn't look for from a more "normal" player, you can read MoosyDoosy on Day 1.Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia. Part 2: Essential facts about MoosyDoosy's play (meta) + Show Spoiler + 1. MoosyDoosy hates playing as town Don't think that this should need to be explained, but here we go anyway. On November 17 2015 11:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: I am assuming that he is referring to hatred of playing town as opposed to hatred of the town in this game.Because I hate town. Next quesiton, yes. On October 16 2015 20:48 MoosyDoosy wrote: I guess... /in I swear if I roll VT again tho... On November 30 2015 03:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: Ignoring the WIFOM in this post, it's pretty obvious that he hates playing town Day 1 and often will not do so.pregame excuse: i said i'll play d1 but remember that i only play d1 as mafia but then again i like playing w/ damdred which might make me try but then i have bias towards damdred so if i'm town that's a negative spiral and btw if i do roll mafia idk if i'll actually play or not for mindgames but idk if i'll be able to muster the decision to play if i'm town but guys i've rolled town in every one of blazinghand's games so ofc i'll roll town but maybe this time it's time to break the chain... And hm, I think that's all of the meta that is required for this case to actually work. Which is great because it's adequately described in MoosyDoosy's pregame posts this very game. Part 3: An example of a similar read to the one that will follow + Show Spoiler + For this, I turn to one of the very best. Ver. If you're not familiar with Ver, he's one of the best mafia players of all time. He (I believe) was one of the mafia players who played at the start of TL Mafia, and he won nearly every game he played. He doesn't play any more, but for the past while, every so often he's hosted a game where he didn't know anyone's alignments, and let the cohost handle all of the alignment-relevant hosting like flips, night actions, etc. Ver analyzed the game, and at the end of the game, he shared his thoughts and how he went about catching the scum team. I believe he caught or basically caught the scum team by the end of Day 2 at the latest, generally sooner. Point being, he's an extremely good player and knows what he's doing. The following is from Ver's analysis of Assassination Mafia. I played in this game, so I have a decent idea of what I'm talking about. 1. Ver's scumread of Bill Murray + Show Spoiler + In this game, Bill Murray was mafia. He started by nuking (basically an in-thread vigilante shot that hits at the end of the cycle) Trfel, and then nuking marvellosity (the latter being a fake nuke) for questionable reasons. He later started playing the game more seriously and many people thought he was town (some reasons being that he was too scummy to be scum, he was extremely crazy, randomly nuking was a bad play from mafia that wouldn't be beneficial, etc). Ver wrote: There's some additional reasoning to this scum read, but it's not important to the point I'm trying to make; feel free to read it for yourself, it's a great read. The bold emphasis is my own, this is the idea that I'm trying to get across: if there is a post that cannot come from a town mindset/perspective, it makes the poster mafia. Note that this is often unrelated to whether the post is objectively good or bad ("objectively good" play is explained reads, explained changes in reads, everything makes sense, etc... "objectively bad" play is the opposite, however these things are both not so helpful for catching mafia).Right now Bill Murray is relaxed, he is not double checking his posts and make sure his stance is consistent with a townie ideology; he messed up. If you notice Bill Murray’s posting improves greatly over time, enough that he even made quite a few people believe he was innocent and even get pardoned. Remember all you need to do as town is to find one post or context where they have an action/words that cannot come from a townie frame, and you found a mafia. You do not need them to keep posting!! Bill Murray looked innocent the more he posted but it was irrelevant because his early posts and actions made him mafia. Case Closed. Next. Ver said this to further explain the scum read: Ver wrote: Bill Murray's story didn't match for two reasons.[Written postgame] For the people who defended Bill or were uncertain of him being mafia, I think this happened because they were focusing on the wrong things, like the possibility of him being an insane townie. But the idea that crazy people are more likely to be town (because of lack of fear) is not a rule, it is a heuristic. Thus it can be wrong. In order to confirm your heuristic usage, you need to bring in other factors. The best pairing with the “he wouldn’t do something crazy as mafia” is the congruence heuristic. Are his actions/words aligned? Does he keep his story straight? Is he coming from the same base point each post? If you apply that to Bill, it should be quite obvious he fails the test hard. Several people noted that his posts were all over the place and not consistent at all. Just because he’s trying doesn’t mean anything. Thus the “insane townie” heuristic gets overruled because congruence is more important. The best mafia cases all come from when multiple quality heuristics converge. Some are more accurate than others, and in such cases where they conflict you have to go with the most precise ones first. Those are generally congruence and “he can only do/post that from a mafia mindset.” Both those apply to Bill. 1. He nuked Trfel for having a small filter and low activity. Right after that, he something like "Wow, I should have nuked Palmar. Guy has even less activity than Trfel." Then, he later nuked marvellosity. First, this is bad play because he didn't consider all of his options before using his nuke and the reason he used his nuke is awful (play so bad that it's a bit scummy, but doesn't make him scum). Second, he was suspicious enough of Trfel to nuke him, then he said that Palmar was even worse. But didn't nuke Palmar. And nuked marvellosity later. If he actually had two nukes, why did he not nuke Palmar, if that was more than enough suspicion to justify a nuke? This again doesn't completely make him mafia IMO, there's an extremely small chance that Bill Murray would be town with two nukes and is willing to fire off one of them at random and actually cares to save the second for the best moment. He's very scummy, but not confirmed scum. 2. After firing two nukes and playing poorly/insanely for the reasons described above, Bill Murray calmed down, apologized, and then started playing seriously. His reads and play were actually "objectively good" as described before. However, this is what actually makes him 100% mafia. Town can play badly, town can nuke people at random. Town can also play well and try to solve the game to the best of their ability. But town can NOT play badly and use their role to shoot people at random, nonsensically, and then stop and try to play seriously and solve the game. These two things do not line up and cannot possibly come from the same person. The contradiction makes Bill Murray 100% mafia. One final note, while I didn't say quite what Ver said, it's in the same spirit: Ver wrote: even if you ignore my evidence, other people like Marv Sandro and a couple I forget bring up quite accurately that his motivations/posts are inconsistent over the course of the day 2. Ver's scumread of marvellosity (excerpt) + Show Spoiler + Marvellosity was the last catch for Ver. Here's some of his scumread on marvellosity: Ver wrote: If you see something that makes no sense from a town mindset, then the person is probably mafia.In my reassessment [on marvellosity] with my focus more narrowed, I went over the day 1 nuke shenanigans and I noticed something strange: I automatically assumed BM’s first nuke was fake and second was real since a) he knows town has anti nukes b) that is just common sense, but what if it wasn’t? trfel certainly reacted to BM’s nuke, and Marv reacted to BM’s nuke on trfel. But why did Marv not care a bit about BM’s nuke on him? That is a gaping hole that extremely likely indicates mafia. Part 4: Why MoosyDoosy's play shows that he was mafia (only the above meta) + Show Spoiler + 1. Pregame, MoosyDoosy stated that he might not play Day 1 as town. He clearly showed that he wouldn't be happy about rolling town. Once the game started, MoosyDoosy still said that he wouldn't be happy about rolling town. + Show Spoiler + On November 29 2015 05:56 MoosyDoosy wrote: /confirm Looks like I have to play D1 now. :/ On November 30 2015 03:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: pregame excuse: i said i'll play d1 but remember that i only play d1 as mafia but then again i like playing w/ damdred which might make me try but then i have bias towards damdred so if i'm town that's a negative spiral and btw if i do roll mafia idk if i'll actually play or not for mindgames but idk if i'll be able to muster the decision to play if i'm town but guys i've rolled town in every one of blazinghand's games so ofc i'll roll town but maybe this time it's time to break the chain... On December 01 2015 08:14 MoosyDoosy wrote: Scared to check role pm -> scared of rolling townniiiice, I didn't even check my role PM yet lol. I'm actually scared to. 2. MoosyDoosy claims to check his role pm and says that he rolled town, and is upset about it + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2015 08:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: i just checked my pm. i'm vt tournaent attendee asd;flkjasdf 3. Through the rest of the game, MoosyDoosy shows no complaints about rolling town at all, and is very happy + Show Spoiler + Here is MoosyDoosy's filter. To be complete, I should quote every post after he checks his role pm, but that's stupid. Here are a few posts that best describe my point. On December 01 2015 08:40 MoosyDoosy wrote: This post was made three minutes after MoosyDoosy checked his role pm. Given how big of a deal he made over checking his role pm (took him 23 minutes between first mentioning it and checking his role pm), how much he hates playing town, and that he was upset when he claimed to have read his town role pm, he should still be upset three minutes later. Instead, he's happily talking about the game.Rels speak more so i can soul read you as usual. On December 01 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: In case there's any doubt, three minutes later.aight imma do this: wait until rels speaks more. if he's mafia, we lynch him. if he's town, imma do the opposite of what he says as he gets everything wrong ofc. On December 01 2015 08:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: I think I like you two fighting. :D Plzerino continue~~ On December 02 2015 09:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: His last post of Day 1. Very interesting, he did a bunch of work (as he claims) and is happy? Not expected from a person who hates playing town.whew i did too much work there. will be back after a rest. This very strongly suggests that MoosyDoosy is mafia. I cannot see these posts coming from the same perspective/mindset as MoosyDoosy showed pre-game and at the start of the game through reading his role pm, so the only option is that MoosyDoosy rolled mafia. 4. MoosyDoosy displays no desire to solve the game + Show Spoiler + I know, you're saying "but MoosyDoosy is useless as town, he never displays any desire to solve the game! This is NAI!" First, you're wrong. But second, remember this is the "minimal meta" section, and having no desire to solve the game is almost always mafia indicative. Here are all of MoosyDoosy's posts in the game that can possibly be seen as trying to solve the game. Being very nice here. + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2015 08:40 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels speak more so i can soul read you as usual. On December 01 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: aight imma do this: wait until rels speaks more. if he's mafia, we lynch him. if he's town, imma do the opposite of what he says as he gets everything wrong ofc. On December 01 2015 08:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: I think I like you two fighting. :D Plzerino continue~~ On December 01 2015 12:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: o/ Hi Shining. What was with the burst of emotion earlier? Ya feeling alright there buddy? On December 01 2015 12:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: Really? No one pointed this post out? hm...would like to see Palmar and Damdred's take on this. On December 01 2015 12:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: hm...help me understand your Fidei read. Do you think the basis behind Fidei's reads are bad or the reads themselves? On December 01 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: I find it interesting that you acted that way because A. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state in Mafia as I know it's a high stress game. B. I do feel that you overreacted a bit with your sudden outburst and I disliked the way you try to use your meta to defend yourself. So. I just want to know your thoughts. What was the basis behind your Fidei read? On December 01 2015 12:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: I really want Rels to speak up. Rels bby speak~~ On December 01 2015 13:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: i like this post because i feel the same way tbh On December 02 2015 09:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: hey rels bb are you okay? You seem a bit too angry. :c Talk to me if you need to vent a bit. What's with your angry attitude m8? On December 02 2015 09:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: The way to find out disformation's alignment is to shade a ton of suspicion on him and a ton of votes then see what he does afterwards. On December 02 2015 09:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: hey damdy, who you looking to kill tonight? On December 02 2015 09:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: Can someone go back and list the twooo sides right now? I get the impression there's the Rels camp and the anti Rels camp or something like that. Anyone who makes that list for me is a bb. These kind of statements are always very subjective, but I personally feel that MoosyDoosy does nothing at all to move the game forward and shows no desire to solve the game at all. The posts about Rels are completely useless. Excluding those, and taking only the best of MoosyDoosy's comments, along with why they show no desire to solve the game: On December 01 2015 12:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: Criticizing this post is a perfectly valid thing to do. MoosyDoosy doesn't have any push, however. There is no followup on anything else about me (Trfel). He doesn't come to a conclusion about me, he basically just says "here, yours!" and throws it at Damdred and Palmar. Basically making suspicion and letting someone else do the work while waiting in the corner and watching.Really? No one pointed this post out? hm...would like to see Palmar and Damdred's take on this. On December 01 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: Suddenly MoosyDoosy is talking about The Shining. Okay. No conclusion about this either.I find it interesting that you acted that way because A. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state in Mafia as I know it's a high stress game. B. I do feel that you overreacted a bit with your sudden outburst and I disliked the way you try to use your meta to defend yourself. So. I just want to know your thoughts. What was the basis behind your Fidei read? On December 01 2015 13:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: So he has a lot of townreads and doesn't want to say them. They haven't been mentioned at all yet. Okay...i like this post because i feel the same way tbh On December 02 2015 09:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: What does MoosyDoosy think about disformation's alignment? I assume that he thinks disformation is town because of the "lots of townreads" post and the fact that he doesn't actually do the advice that he suggests here, however why doesn't he say that disformation is town and/or why he thinks so?The way to find out disformation's alignment is to shade a ton of suspicion on him and a ton of votes then see what he does afterwards. On December 02 2015 09:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: He said that he liked Damdred's earlier post, here he suggests that Damdred is scum. Either this is a joke (and therefore not solving the game) or he's not caring to explain or investigate his read at all (not solving the game).hey damdy, who you looking to kill tonight? It's not that MoosyDoosy is not being very useful, it's that even for having just a few posts that can actually be maybe seen as doing something, they're all focused on different people. There's no followup, no conclusions at all, nothing that requires thinking, nothing that seems to be solving the game. You can read his filter for yourself. This also extremely strongly suggests that MoosyDoosy is mafia. Again, most meta arguments will be addressed later. If you're looking for mafia motivation as well, it's fairly obvious (this point is not as strong as the other points, so I won't spend a lot of time on it, but mafia motivation is important so this is here in principle). MoosyDoosy didn't try to solve the game (mafia doesn't need to solve the game). MoosyDoosy's activity died down once it seemed like people weren't going to lynch him (mafia only posts to survive). MoosyDoosy relied on WIFOM and meta to survive instead of scumhunting. Part 5: Why MoosyDoosy's meta suggests that he is mafia, not that he is town + Show Spoiler + I have previously explained why MoosyDoosy's play this game displays no desire to solve the game. Looking at three of his past games, the question is if he has a desire to solve the game as town. If he does, then MoosyDoosy is almost certainly mafia in this game; if he does not, then MoosyDoosy may be town in this game (the previous point about MoosyDoosy being scum for not trying to solve the game would be much weaker). Game 1: Newbie Student Mafia XVII + Show Spoiler + For this game, I'll be taking only Day 1 quotes. Two reasons. First, MoosyDoosy only played Day 1 in the current game. Second, MoosyDoosy was nearly lynched on Day 1 in Newbie Student Mafia XVII, and his Day 2 play was much more involved and useful. On November 16 2015 15:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: This post came quite early in Day 1, later clarified to be his mafia list. Before this, MoosyDoosy voted for FarahBlackwing, and asked questions to disformation and The Shining. However, his reads are still almost entirely unexplained. I note that this post alone shows more desire to solve the game than MoosyDoosy's entire filter in this game.It's not necessarily improved but: Farah disformation Shining geript On November 17 2015 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: Instead of asking other people what they think about a post, he makes his own conclusion and pushes it.Posts like this make Farah Mafia. And NM is town. On November 17 2015 08:30 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yes I will explain. Farah is serious player and does not take gambits especially as noob as shown in previous game. This is extremely out of place. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is ##vote shining Statistically it has to be time When people point it out and call bS on his "boring thread" excuse, he backs out of it immediately by saying he's "gathering reads" while whining at thread. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote Ok I have my read now. Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi. Free town reads based on nothing. \o/ + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm awake, Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings. 1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday. 2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today. 3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later. 4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game. I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either. And this post is very mechanical yes and has no emotion. Very much like Damdred yes. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point. So frustrating On November 17 2015 08:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: This game clearly shows that MoosyDoosy is actually trying to solve the game and that he's invested in it. He's still martyring and still being obnoxious, but that doesn't stop him from pushing his reads and trying to solve the game. It's completely different from the play MoosyDoosy showed in this game.Yes, that explanation was terrible. It was a wrongly applied meta read as there is differentiation between a**hole Shining and truly emotional Shining. It was free town read for no reason. She is Oprah of town reads. And saying that the read came from other people is excuse for read later on. On November 17 2015 08:47 MoosyDoosy wrote: He acknowledge this himself.shit I am becoming too invested into this game already. I will now go to prevent this. Goodbye and lynch me please. There are a bunch more quotes, you can see for yourself. I think that this is really obvious. Conclusion: MoosyDoosy was trying to solve the game. Game 2: Student Mafia XVI + Show Spoiler + MoosyDoosy was lynched on Day 2 in this game. Therefore, I will attempt to separate his investment and desire to solve the game for Day 1 and Night 1-Day 2 to show the comparison to his filter this game and also the part that resulted in him getting lynched. On October 18 2015 06:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: aight this post was pretty awkward tbh. On October 18 2015 06:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: - Awkwardly inserts VT claim - Pretends to be angry - Pretense of answering a question. On October 18 2015 06:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: All of these posts came in the first 1 hour 20 minutes of the game. And they already show way more desire to solve the game than MoosyDoosy showed this game.To be completely serious, I do like to generate a little discussion in games. So far what conclusions have I drawn? Well, one is that boxerfred's post just now is super awkward and I don't really like it. Another is that you are pretty probably town for coming in with a townie mindset and without addressing the possibility of what Mafia would do. So you are a town read and boxerfred is a scum read. The other dude is a town lean and GB is a null right now. When questioned, he pushed his suspicion of boxerfred. On October 18 2015 06:25 MoosyDoosy wrote: Then there's a townread on Rels, and then he continues to push boxerfred.Really? Read it again. He could have just answered that he was annoyed at the spam but he feels the need to give an excuse of having no time as well as claiming VT all in one. It's very awkward to cram it into one post hm...? Also, while I realize that he normally does have real life obligations, it is still something to note that he feels it is necessary to claim that he won't be posting much. On October 19 2015 01:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: As far as Day 1 goes, MoosyDoosy is clearly invested and trying to solve the game. Huge contrast to the current game. From this point I will start looking to see what changed, and what resulted in him getting lynched (using only his filter).Again, boxerfred is really weird. In his opening post he crammed a VT claim, a complaint, and a scum read. In his next post, he tries to place blame on me for posting gif's when I didn't. He even tries to scum read me for it which is lol-worthy. Just scum reading me here is also super surface level because he's not looking into how I operate and more about my outwards appearance. His attempt to say he knows my meta is terrible because he was only in the game where I was Mafia and he's not making any effort to check my others game where I literally do the same thing as I did in that game. I mean...What is there to like? - Awkward first opening - Says I started gif wars when I didn't even participate - Scum reads me for gif's which I didn't even post - Applies appearance reads - Makes no attempt to support his supposed “meta” read ##unvote ##vote boxerfred In general, on Day 1 it's clear that MoosyDoosy cares about the lynch. His filter is centered on his biggest suspect, boxerfred (discussing and pushing his read), but he's also discussing townreads and other suspects. He ended up sheeping other people for the Day 1 lynch, but it's obvious that he was invested in the game. He didn't yell and scream, but you can tell that he cared despite not voting for his biggest suspect. If you don't believe me, compare it to his play in this game; it's still night and day. MoosyDoosy's sheeping (seems like he had his own reasons to think it was a good lynch though) led him to lynch scott31337, and he flipped town. On October 20 2015 05:02 MoosyDoosy wrote: LoneMeow comes off looking gross from this but I don't know why he voted for scott and not Eversince in this situation unless they're scum buddies or if both scott and Eversince were town. On October 20 2015 05:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: Still trying to solve the game.Or LoneMeow is town and really is clueless. hm...Eversince, I'll have to hold you to your promise on participating in the following phases as you look really weird off of this. On October 20 2015 21:52 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm guessing that this is where people start wanting to lynch him...I like the bf tunnel. I'd like to volunteer for D2 lynch willingly. On October 22 2015 00:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: Here's the post he makes after being gone for a while. He's definitely trying to solve the game. He ends up getting lynched, and to be honest I actually don't know why. His play didn't completely make sense, but that's not scum indicative and it seems really clear that he was trying to solve the game and was invested.Okay, I am back but had too much to catch up on so I just started from the night flip because that’s most interesting and did quick reads through filters. Rels/sicklucker is a situation I don’t want to touch right now because it’s dumb and it’s NAI for both players. It’ll be a lot better to just find the other Mafia and figure out alignments from there. So taking them out of the surviving list, it’s this: Vonthin FarahBlackwing Eversince GlowingBear boxerfred FecalFeast The Shining - boxerfred is probably town for thinking that my shitty posts during N1 were good and giving me the credit for that when it came from someone else’s line of questioning (lol). He pulls reads out for some strange and/or misguided reasoning as town. So probs town. - The Shining is acting like shitty Shining when he’s being tunneled. Although he should start posting more soon. But he’s probs town. - Farah’s thoughts are logical and good. So he’s probs town. If we take these people out, it leaves us with a pool of: Vonthin Eversince GlowingBear FecalFeast - GlowingBear is hard to read, but his reaction to flip and afterwards shenanigans seems townie. But I’ll have to go check, so he’s a null. - FecalFeast is hard to read until I look at him properly so he’s a null. - Vonthin’s last posts is something I’ll have to look at. He was a scum lean before but I didn’t really look at his play since then so scum lean still. - Eversince is reaaally different from her last game. In the last one she was obstinate and refused to listen to others and pursued her reads to no end. Seeing her here being waffly about her reads is not something that I normally see her do. So scum lean. ##Vote: Eversince Like, actually what the heck. I'm pretty sure that I was told that this was a game to look at to see one of MoosyDoosy's worst games? On October 23 2015 05:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: Without the context, I'm not sure if I can agree or disagree, but from MoosyDoosy's perspective this statement is 100% correct; he was trying to solve the game and putting in a lot of effort.gg~~ was fairly obvious I'm town lmao. Conclusion: this is extremely different from MoosyDoosy's play in this game. MoosyDoosy demonstrated a desire to solve the game throughout. Game 3: Student Mafia XV + Show Spoiler + On October 11 2015 00:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: First post of the game has some actual reads.Hi people. I actually kind of agree with sentiment that we need a lot less spam so I'll work on it. I know I've been a problem in the past so hopefully I won't be terrible this game. It's quite a problem though as I've promised to post Part 2 of my analysis of Crime & Punishment but now I feel like I can't post it in this game. ): Also, as a note, I realized that no emoji will show up if you do the reverse like I did above. It was actually pretty mind blowing when I found out as it works on a bunch of other sites and gets rid of the annoying little faces. Just a bit of a pet peeve. Also, while I'm at it, I may as well state that I currently don't like either of ObviousOne or Stoicism_. ObviousOne for obvious reasons that he's giving excuses for not posting much and Stoicism_ for taking Obvious's sarcastic post a bit too personally. On October 11 2015 04:02 MoosyDoosy wrote: As a note, Eversince actively prodding at things that move this early in the game makes me think he's town. On October 11 2015 04:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: It's a tone read. Everyone else entered by saying they were town and going to do something useful with their time. Gumdrop comes in all Kumbaya-like and happy, then says he wants to catch scum but disappears. On October 11 2015 04:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: Already, he's shown much more desire to solve the game than he showed in the current game. They are completely different, there is really no comparison.0pps, kSC, Vivax, and Onegu*. Sorry bb ): You're important to me but not that important. Mixture of tone and other things. kSC for being right in that there was some unnecessarily serious reading into some posts, Vivax for behaving like a dick, and Onegu for good tone read earlier that was in line with my own thoughts. On October 11 2015 10:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: Before I leave here's a list on where I'm at right now: Town: Eversince kSC -Celestial- Onegu Fecalfeast Null: Vivax marvellosity sicklucker Scum: Gumdrop ObviousOne Stoicism_ Inactive: Shining On October 12 2015 01:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: okie since Onegu is a bum and won’t entertain me, I guess I’ll have to just explain my thought process on ObviousOne. 1. On face value it just looks like I was questioning kSC on something rather simple. I actually had suspicions on ObviousOne at that point which is why I was asking kSC while also obtaining a read on kSC. And to let you know, being involved and actively answering my questions made me read him as town. Also because he’s hella h0t but that’s not the point. 2. Then there’s this weird read on me. + Show Spoiler + On October 11 2015 10:08 ObviousOne wrote: Just gonna pop through four filters in order on the list. Onegu: liking how comfortable he seems with the thread. Can possibly agree with gumdrop lynch but willing to extend benefit of the doubt regarding gumdrop to see what is said. Would not lynch. Gumdrop: waiting for the return of the jedi. Could lynch. Eversince: I understand the confusion with vivax she has. Vivax has seemed to finally switched off his troll mode from speed reading the thread. Thinking that Vivax was intentionally trying to disrupt things by saying nothing is natural for someone not familiar with him. Let's see where Vivax goes from here. Would not lynch. TheShining: AWOL Okay, I guess I'll do a few more this is easy. Kelsiersc: Sheeping Onegu on the gumdrop thing entirely. Gumdrop would definitely be a convenient target for scum in this scenario and sheeping keeps any potential backlash off KSC. Also the Moosy feel for his other scum read is basically a reply to my post regarding activity. Seems picked out at random and the post overall has very little conviction. Potential lynch candidate. Celestial: voting the AWOL guy. Has a big paragraph by my name that could have just said NAI. [association based on unflipped players ahead has KSC, the other guy I find scummy, in his leaning town list. Potential lynch candidate. Fecal: unremarkable at this moment other than the obvious vivax stuff. Probably not a lynch candidate. Marv: being marv, not ready to say anything just yet. Sicklucker: seems pretty happy with himself and situation. Spouting off. I like it. Not a lynch candidate. Stoicism: seemed pretty interested in me, really wanted to interact with me but hasn't shown up since our little scuffle. Seemed like he was trying to have a conversation about nothing with me. Potential lynch candidate. Moosy: actually some good feels, though potential helpful-townie-scummer vibe but not really likely. Not a lynch candidate. So there you go. Scumreads: KSC/Celestial and one of stoic/shining/gumdrop. If I were to vote right now it would be KSC so I will do just that. ##vote KelsierSC Okay that's what I got. Gonna watch some TV now. You're welcome. On face value, my posts and filter look decent-ish because it seems like I’m participating. But in reality I’m not doing much and am actively lurking by only sharing easy thoughts and not acting on much. I was a bit surprised that others didn’t pick up on this. + Show Spoiler + -Celestial-, but there are other reasons to townread her, and sicklucker Only way he didn’t pick up on it is if he’s not carefully reading the thread. 3. Then there’s also the fact that he’s concentrating on lynching the people that have already scum read him so far. Also heightened by the fact that I didn’t actually post my scum read on him when he posted his long list post which is why he probably didn’t scum read me lol. 4. If you actually care to look at my filter, you can see my line of thought concerning ObviousOne is actually there so don’t say I’m jumping on popular wagons for no reason. He has a 10 page filter. I'm at page 4. He didn't get lynched this game. I don't need to read any more, he's already shown that he's trying to solve the game and it's completely different play from this game. Reading the two games that I hadn't read yet actually blew me away. MoosyDoosy's play as town in these three games is completely different from his play in this game that I am not even sure if I can describe it. He's making reads and is trying to solve the game in all three of the above games, even if he goes about it in his own MoosyDoosy way. I've already described how there is none of that in this game. It's not an activity thing, either. MoosyDoosy was fairly active Day 1 in this game, he just chose to do nothing of value. He made comments about three people, but never posted any conclusions at all (even conclusions without reasons). Compare this to Student Mafia XVI, where he had a strong scum read 1 hour and 20 minutes into the game. Meta clearly shows that MoosyDoosy is mafia in this game. 6. NocturneMage's play thus far + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2015 10:57 NocturneMage wrote: Okay, so he's busy. Fine.yo, at work, on mobile, finishing work late tonight, need to go to bed right after though and I have seminars all damn day tomorrow. I've not read dick all or followed the game for d1 quite yet, but I'm VT and I'm ready to fuck up some dirty dirty scummers. reading from end of cycle, I'm pretty suspicious of trfel again (I say again because he was scum the last game) but that's mainly because of how he played last game. of course he'd push moosydoosy, he's unreadable as fuck as either alignment. same desperation emotions when no one is listening to him. unless he does this as town. cool story bro, try harder because I'm not scum. He hasn't read anything, but he's really suspicious of me. The tone is extremely dismissive, and how is he this convinced that I'm scum if he hasn't actually read anything? Looking at the reasons, he mentions:
Other people have expressed concerns with NocturneMage's play (the rest of his posts are fairly scummy as well). I won't re-quote them. But there are two more things I will mention. NocturneMage's entire series of posts showed extreme confidence and kept saying that scum should be scared of him. On December 03 2015 10:57 NocturneMage wrote: yo, at work, on mobile, finishing work late tonight, need to go to bed right after though and I have seminars all damn day tomorrow. I've not read dick all or followed the game for d1 quite yet, but I'm VT and I'm ready to fuck up some dirty dirty scummers. On December 03 2015 11:30 NocturneMage wrote: Here are two examples.back to work, end of cycle gives me a good starting point as to where to go when I can really sink in. scummers, I'm coming for you. be scared. and daniele, if you are mafia, I love you to death and that will never change, but as far as this game is concerned, consider yourself fucked. if you are town, you better start working with me (and maybe our joint town reads?) and we can take down the mafia together. got it? good. This doesn't line up at all with two things from NocturneMage's posts. 1. He said he hasn't read anything and is really busy. Then he's not ready to catch scum, he's not coming for scum, not for a considerable amount of time, anyway. This doesn't match. As Fecalfeast said, he's putting on a show. 2. Look at all of the main points (with regards to reads) that he said.
Note that this point is not as strong because it depends on NocturneMage's perception of his own play, not what his own play actually is like. There is a chance that NocturneMage considers this play to be extremely effective scumhunting, though I don't think this is the case because NocturneMage was very reasonable and capable as town last game. The first point stands regardless, though. In conclusion, NocturneMage is mafia. This is primarily shown through MoosyDoosy's play, as his play has seemingly conflicting mindsets that can only be explained by him being mafia, and he clearly did not try to solve the game. Furthermore, using meta makes the scumread of MoosyDoosy significantly stronger, as opposed to weakening it. NocturneMage's play is also very suspicious on its own, with an important mindset contradiction. I apologize that this post is so long (~19 pages of text, including quotes and code). I have already provided the essential version of this case, which is complete by itself. This explanation appears to be required for people to understand the case. Reading the entire case is not required, only the parts in question. But the conclusion is undeniable. The case was wrong. If Moosy is scum, it's not because he is putting less effort than in another game. | ||
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On February 08 2016 15:59 Onegu wrote: I am in the hospital overnight, haven't been feeling good for a few days now. I have a small medical procedure on Friday and need to pack for my trip to Thailand on Sunday. Shouldn't have signed up and will take my ban but I have asked to be replaced. I apoligize to everyone Hope everything goes OK for you. | ||
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If you're scum with Palmar, I don't know why you put so much pressure on him, to the point that he almost died D1 and he will die now. If you're scum without Palmar, I don't know why you switched off him D1, resulting on him being saved. | ||
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On February 08 2016 00:12 Rels wrote: I read Palmar's filter. He is the lynch today whatever happens. In addition of the "marv read" (him being active but with no direction the first 24 hours), the biggest thing is how he was AFK the whole Friday, and he never explained it. A townie would never do that; if he knew he needed to AFK 24 hours he would say it (especially since the pressure was on him before he disappeared), if it was unexpected he would have said a word in thread. This attitude is extremely scum indicative. This is what I and Superbia did during PyP; super active early, then having a much harder time to post all the time later. I'm not saying he didn't have something to do BTW, maybe he did; I'm saying his attitude regarding how he AFK was scum. | ||
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On February 08 2016 20:19 marvellosity wrote: do you know where in his filter this happened? I'm not sure i can be bothered to trawl through page after page looking for it It started with this post I think. | ||
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On February 08 2016 23:54 nooniansoong wrote: what i want to know is WHAT board games was he playing! Yeah that is the real question. | ||
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On February 09 2016 00:18 VayneAuthority wrote: alright then, who should I be looking at? give me something to read im bored with palmar. Koshi. Onegu, Chez. (<= less interesting) BF ? Moosy ? (<= might be town) | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:35 Rels wrote: It's actually how a scum would act. About your general attitude: tunnel on one particular player (kush) so it's easy to not do stuff; post one-shot stuff on other people (Moosy, Onegu, Damdred) that does not lead anywhere to pretend you're doing stuff. If you're town, you're playing a scum game. About your Palmar read: you were against his lynch but didn't do much to save him. Darth started the counter wagon, not you. That's how scum generally acts when a teammate is lynched: they don't want to be seen as "the guy that stopped a scum lynch", but they don't awnt to simply lynch their partner either. About your vote on Zyrre: kush, your big scumrezad, was voting him. It makes no sense that you voted with your main scurmead when you were wary of Palmar. It makes sense as scum though, 'cause you woulldn't care about stuff like that. I see what you mean with the "if he is scum with Palmar he didn't set himself up to be in a good position post-Palmar lynch" idea though. | ||
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On February 07 2016 00:53 Koshi wrote: I also decided that Palmar should die. If he is mafia a lot of people become town. On February 07 2016 00:55 Koshi wrote: Kush/Palmar/Chez/x Yeah he kinda defended him D1, but (1) not that hard and (2) after D1 was over he was OK with Palmar scum. So I don't know if this idea of "Koshi defends Palmar too much to be his partner" is really this strong. | ||
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He was fighting pretty hard for Palmar to be lynched D1, he even might have been the reason Damdred switched. | ||
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On February 09 2016 00:49 VayneAuthority wrote: Then explain to me why he is trying to ride this palmar cred into the sunset and then some one that voted BEFORE him is scummy and im not even trying to get any palmar cred, i literally dont give a shit. I just vote what I think and thats it like ive always done. And then when you try to reason with him he just says "no, you're stupid" and leaves. If that's town I really can't see myself ever getting along with him. Good timing. p: I have no idea why he's tunneling you so much, you two are very likely town for voting Palmar over Zyrre in my mind. | ||
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On February 09 2016 00:49 NocturneMage wrote: The bolded is a very bad reason to townread/townlean anyone let alone a player of (from what I understand) Koshi's calibre. Rels had probably the best argument as for why Koshi is likely scum. To the points you have (bolded), he pointed out that a lot of Koshi's reads went nowhere, a common scum trait. Day 1 it was the same thing I pointed out with how he approached reads on ritoky and Damdred. That read is actually pretty terrible. Like, this comment is aggressive for nothing. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500060-newbie-student-mafia-xviii?user=NocturneMage&view=all (scum game) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?user=NocturneMage&view=all (town game) In his scum game he is more clean and logical than in his town game. It's mostly a feeling, you should read the filters by yourself to see what I mean. Like, I couldn't find any examples of him being aggressive in his scum game. Here are a few examples from the town game: On January 04 2016 01:50 NocturneMage wrote: This is an open setup? Read the OP much? And people have mentioned both rolecop/rolechecker in pre-game/early game in putting the setup together. Are you smoking weed or something? On January 06 2016 00:42 NocturneMage wrote: That is horrible scumtastic reasoning to suggest that Slam should not be voted. [blablabla] On January 08 2016 00:29 NocturneMage wrote: (1) GF hasn't flipped (2) Damdred and at least one other person wanted more reads from me (3) several debating OWS doesn't hurt to tell others where my head is pay attention pls In addition I've found these in the town game, that are awfully similar to this game's excitement to lynch Palmar: On January 05 2016 07:52 NocturneMage wrote: THERE IS RESISTANCE TO THE SLAM/PALMAR LYNCHES. GEE I WONDER WHY...... On January 05 2016 07:59 NocturneMage wrote: SWITCH TO SLAM 2 MINUTES!!!!!! So I think his aggressive comments are town indicative. | ||
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On February 09 2016 01:07 disformation wrote: Actually @ rels: what made you vote palmar over zyrre? I was very underwhelmed with Palmar Thursday night. I expressed it and he said he would do more the Friday. Since he did nothing, I voted him. I thought Zyrre was also scum though. | ||
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On February 05 2016 07:10 Koshi wrote: Just read the game Kush and give reads. JUST DO IT The irony | ||
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On February 09 2016 05:03 Palmar wrote: yeah sorry guys I don't have the energy to fight this. I'm just sort of burned out at the moment. I really am not mafia, but because I'm not going to fight or try then you have to lynch me anyway so that's life. I tried starting filters like 4 times today and just couldn't summon the energy to do it. Good luck. On December 03 2015 22:08 Palmar wrote: Cop check, sure, it's a waste of a check on someone whose alignment is obvious, but sure. Vigi shot, I will be seriously mad. Here's the thing, go back to just about every game I play. I should NEVER EVER be vigged. The reason is I am extremely unlikely to be a wildcard. I will always respond to pressure and always play the game. Using a vigilante shot on a player who is all but guaranteed to be active and willing to engage when pressured is a waste of a shot. It's literally the most wrong way to use a vigi shot. Vigis should focus on killing people who are inactive/not playing/not contributing. I am more than slightly mad at you for suggesting this, it makes you a bad player to even think this is the correct thing to do. On December 04 2015 22:05 Palmar wrote: Dude... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10890802 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10936906 I'm literally the goddamn prophet of "if you get lynched it's your own damn fault". That ties very well into what I was saying earlier about why I should never be vigged. | ||
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On February 09 2016 03:02 NocturneMage wrote: (5) bottom of page 95, I pressed him for a read on Rels AGAIN. He gave another deflective answer AGAIN. (post 1898) Nothing after that after I had to go to bed. I agree with disfo that this particular point might be strong. | ||
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On February 09 2016 08:07 LightningStrike wrote: (shits town rainbows). Anyways I will catch up a little bit from between some of the readings I had done. Also Palmar kinda gave away Marv as town but I thought Marv would be town in a Marv vs Palmar scum vs town contest. Can you get the fuck out of the thread please | ||
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On February 09 2016 08:11 marvellosity wrote: exactly disfo. like, i know HtS is not an idiot and takes great care to balance her games. so on this basis i'm assuming they don't have a framer and we do have a cop, based on our lack of vigi. That seems logical. They might not even have a roleblocker given vig + gf + anti blue power. | ||
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On February 09 2016 08:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: oh shit lol the flip happened. I totes forgot about the deadline. Good thing we stayed on Palmar. That seems super forced dude. Especially this early after the lynch. | ||
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On February 09 2016 08:13 marvellosity wrote: palmar/koshi/chez and 1 maybe ish My mind as well | ||
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Cause I think it. | ||
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On February 09 2016 08:17 darthfoley wrote: I was just wondering which posts you were referring to All the posts after the deadline and before the flips. Plus the ls post after that cause I thought he was an obs :p | ||
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On February 09 2016 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: marv + Rels + NM, what do you think of noon + Vayne? Still not caught up yet, just a pre-empative question ^^ Both town. | ||
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Like, it really seems like they waited to see if a miracle would happen before posting. Or that they didn't want to say too much about their teammates. Moosy still feel like town a little bit though ... Maybe a good check. | ||
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On February 09 2016 08:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: Do i ignore this and call Rels dumb or do I answer this and call Rels dumb? Rels, what time do I get home? You should know this by now. Ok that rings a bell | ||
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On February 09 2016 16:19 boxerfred wrote: Noted. This post is a great indicator that MD had not read the thread when he started to inquire reads from people. He also only follows others in his reads. Lots of pretended activity and participation. Koshi indeed feels wishywashy, would love to listen to his reads if there are any. Marv confirmed town after the Palmar flip, Rels and LightningStrike are not scum together for the reaction to the thread entry from Rels which makes me hard townread Rels. LS remains a null. Chez should be scum at this point. Scum probably Chez, nooniansong, MD, LS, Koshi. Maybe do some PoE? The bold makes no sense. "LS and Rels not together, LS null => means Rels is town!" This post feels scummy TBH. | ||
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On February 09 2016 18:15 boxerfred wrote: Yeah, it's kinda weird. Here's the thought process: Premises: Onegu => null/scummy Rels => town lean Actions: Rels goes nuts on LS' entry because he didn't realize he replaced into the thread. Conclusion: Rels and LS are not both scum. Why: Rels would've checked in scum qt for the replacement, I guess scum qt would be full of "where's onegu omg" so he'd check that first and would not be surprised at all. That makes me think that Rels is town, in disregard of Onegu's actual alignment. This makes more sense. You townread me for a dumbtell basically. (= | ||
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On February 09 2016 19:42 marvellosity wrote: Rels, you were the first to properly case Koshi n1 / start of d2 weren't you? No NM did D1. | ||
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On February 09 2016 19:59 marvellosity wrote: okay. but you definitely made one while it still wasn't popular right? :p Yep. :p | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:35 Rels wrote: It's actually how a scum would act. About your general attitude: tunnel on one particular player (kush) so it's easy to not do stuff; post one-shot stuff on other people (Moosy, Onegu, Damdred) that does not lead anywhere to pretend you're doing stuff. If you're town, you're playing a scum game. About your Palmar read: you were against his lynch but didn't do much to save him. Darth started the counter wagon, not you. That's how scum generally acts when a teammate is lynched: they don't want to be seen as "the guy that stopped a scum lynch", but they don't awnt to simply lynch their partner either. About your vote on Zyrre: kush, your big scumrezad, was voting him. It makes no sense that you voted with your main scurmead when you were wary of Palmar. It makes sense as scum though, 'cause you woulldn't care about stuff like that. | ||
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On February 09 2016 20:28 marvellosity wrote: all the posts he is quoting from Palmar as "good" come before the post he made on Palmar saying he didn't like him and he's a scumlean. really doesn't add up. Mm good find. One thing that makes me waffke on bf a lot too is that his meta is usually "serious : scum". I'm eating, will be there in like 2 hours to talk more | ||
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I ve have thought of something: I find weird the way LS reacted to me being super bad mannered. Like, I expect LS to be super virulent when being attacked, that's how I townread a few times actually in several games. Here he said nothing until va corrected me and then he was like "oh he made a mistake" It's like super not strong cause he could just have missed the moment I posted and va didn't correct me, but ... Thinking about it, I expected LS to be more, like, active about it Anyway bad feeling aside, will catch up | ||
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On February 09 2016 21:09 boxerfred wrote: This is wrong. When I'm scum, I'm precise, very "correct" (the british kind of correctness), even on point. I tend to play messy and emotional as town though (or completely inactive). Exactly. Like I would hate to lynch you if you're town and trying, but you being so tryhard points at your scum meta + your palmar don't make sense at two different points on time + you're playing pretty robotic here I think ? Like the only real emotional stuff was the "I am cop" post which felt fake as shit. Plus I don't think you've ever made a case as town ? Maybe I'm wrong. Need to check that later. | ||
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On February 09 2016 23:31 boxerfred wrote: Can you summarize in like a bullet list why that is? I'd sheep you for your Palmar stuff from D1 that I just discovered. And keep in mind that darthfoley is currently under everyone's radar. Dunno how much I like that. That feels very bullshity too. You were convinced palmar is town but you didn't read the main case against him ? Weird. | ||
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On February 10 2016 04:01 disformation wrote: Nah, didn't actually claim. But there were a bunch of posts like this: He clearly said " I am cop" somewhere, when he was raging against palmar s lynch | ||
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On February 10 2016 04:05 LightningStrike wrote: Lol I actually asked about something about the obs posting. But that was before you told me to GTFO. When I saw it though I pretty much knew you didn't read that I had replaced into Onegu's slot so I kinda chuckled at that Yeah I suppose that makes sense | ||
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On February 09 2016 23:32 darthfoley wrote: I didn't properly case Koshi D1, but i'm pretty sure that I scum read him like 2 posts before NM did. I'm going to reread VA's filter today, especially regarding his town reading of Koshi. Will be back around 4PM EST Damn. I'll talk to nm so he gets the credit you deserve back to you | ||
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On February 09 2016 23:37 nooniansoong wrote: i'm not going to read boxer's filter so ill just point out what ive noticed (in a list because those are my new favorite things)
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On February 10 2016 04:08 LightningStrike wrote: So Rels what you think of boxerfred's case on Chezinu? Good, chez is likely scum. | ||
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On February 10 2016 04:25 boxerfred wrote: Also, if you look at my meta, please also keep in mind that I said in my last game that I really would try next game. That I would schedule time to participate and that I would try to improve a lot. Check the observer qt from, I think, Unkown? Or Unoriginal Name? Rels, you should remember what I said in that obs qt, you directly answered it. Yeah lynching you for tryharding is kinda wrong i guess. | ||
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On February 10 2016 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote: basically I am not going to post in this game again until this happens On February 04 2016 13:03 VayneAuthority wrote: nocturnemage probably scum, that post is str8 up garbage. i have to check his past games I guess On February 04 2016 13:31 VayneAuthority wrote: well jokes aside I will give you space for now, apparently you are good as town so no reason to day 1 lynch you ???????? | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:04 marvellosity wrote: Is bf dumb telling hard or what? Do we believe it? I have a hard time deciding on that. He's been doing it a few times already | ||
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On February 05 2016 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont think he realized yet that I often don't mean what I say day 1 and do a lot of reaction tests. Disfo if you're around, did you find this to be true ? | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:24 Rels wrote: Disfo if you're around, did you find this to be true ? From PYP as town: On January 23 2016 00:50 VayneAuthority wrote: Thats up to you to decide, I always troll on day 1. I might not even scumread you at all. I'm just interested in your reactions | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:00 VayneAuthority wrote: palmar is a garbage player rofl On January 24 2016 09:01 VayneAuthority wrote: nuke palmar, hes either complete garbage or mafia Regarding above's meta: VA insulting Palmar as Palmat shot him. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:40 NocturneMage wrote: I'm writing this out - let's assume a worst case scenario. Someone gets obliterated tonight. 9:3 NK and cannon 7:3 mislynch 6:3 nightkill 5:3 mylo - take your no lynch here??????? 5:3 nightkill 4:3 lylo I'm doing this right? Pretty sure I am. I mean if you no lynch at 5:3 you still have another shot at figuring shit out anyways because mafia HAVE to shoot? Am I derping again? Seems good to me. In the worst case scenario no-lynch is probably the best option. | ||
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The thing I don't like the most about him is the named VT plan, it's (1) bad and (2) he changed his story about it. But him voting Palmar is much stronger than that. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:45 marvellosity wrote: on the other hand, VA would be 100% dead at this point if he had switched off late in the day. Dunno if looking bad is worth losing Palmar the GF. I mean, JAT did that for example and he didn't look bad. Koshi did it too and JAT insisted that it was a NAI vote, dont' know why VA didn't follow if he's scum. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:47 boxerfred wrote: also 2 scum kp d1 but we had a 3rd kill so yeah. bad bad vig shot or did I miss stuff? You motherfucker. You're scum | ||
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On February 08 2016 02:41 Rels wrote: BF, there is a scum vig role. It was talked about in thread so I have no idea how you could miss it. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:52 boxerfred wrote: but Rels what about fucking Poe Dameron? You're so locked on your scum vig theory, why is that? Shut up | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:53 boxerfred wrote: I actually didn't. 24 hours ago, I was sold on the idea of a scum vig. Now, I'm thinking that there's a town vig in, too. No you said: On February 10 2016 06:47 boxerfred wrote: also 2 scum kp d1 but we had a 3rd kill so yeah. bad bad vig shot or did I miss stuff? You didn't mention the possibility of the scum vig. You said "did I miss stuff" | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:56 VayneAuthority wrote: Please lynch me next cycle so i don't get modkilled, i don't see NM actually doing anything about his hypocritical play so I am legit not going to post next phase. On February 10 2016 06:03 Rels wrote: ???????? | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:57 boxerfred wrote: oh cmon, people make bad decisions sometimes. heck I forgot about possiblity of scum vig too so yeah ignore last page. No you said: On February 10 2016 06:52 boxerfred wrote: but Rels what about fucking Poe Dameron? You're so locked on your scum vig theory, why is that? | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:57 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think you read my post correctly. Read it again How did you know NM was a good player ? | ||
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I did and I have no idea how you learned that. | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:01 disformation wrote: Also Rels, why did you ninja my question? :/ Guess why I was asking that *pout* ? | ||
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BF is scum: a tell of dumb 1 + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2016 02:41 Rels wrote: BF, there is a scum vig role. It was talked about in thread so I have no idea how you could miss it. 24 hours ago, BF made the "dumbtell" of not knowing there was a scum vig, when it was talked about at length at some point before. I reminded it to him. 2 On February 10 2016 06:47 boxerfred wrote: also 2 scum kp d1 but we had a 3rd kill so yeah. bad bad vig shot or did I miss stuff? 24 hours later, BFmakes a post talking about the fact that there is three kills. He completely forgets the scum vig that I mentioned to him previously. We can be sure that he forgets it because he says "bad bad vig shot or did I miss stuff?", so either he doesn't remember there is a scum vig, or he's faking it. This is the first point as to why BF is scum: how can he forget there is a scum vig when I mention it to him 24 hours ago ? Furthermore, the open question "did I miss stuff ?" is an invitation to being corrected. Scum is likely to do that to (1) make a dumbtell, proving they are not scum 'cause they wouldn't forget that, and (2) that let him discuss with people, bringing activity. 3 On February 10 2016 06:52 boxerfred wrote: but Rels what about fucking Poe Dameron? You're so locked on your scum vig theory, why is that? On February 10 2016 06:53 boxerfred wrote: I actually didn't. 24 hours ago, I was sold on the idea of a scum vig. Now, I'm thinking that there's a town vig in, too. On February 10 2016 06:55 boxerfred wrote: I said some time ago that we have a bad vig. Rels told me there's a scum vig role in the game. Now I say again maybe there's a bad vig in. This time with the realization that we have poe dameron, a vig role for town, in. BF says he didn't forget that there is a scum vig, that he simply didn't mention him to focus on the town vig. This is a lie. As seen in point 2, BF either forgot about scum vig, or faked it. It's not possible the sentence "bad bad vig shot or did I miss stuff?" is made with a scum vig in mind. It shows BF is scum because lie = scum. 4 On February 10 2016 06:55 boxerfred wrote: oh true I actually forgot about the scum vig because I was looking at Poe Dameron. BF finally admits he forgot abuot the scum vig. This is a lie, because in the posts quoted in point 3 he argueed he actually didn't forget to explain his behaviour. Lie = scum. BF => scum. | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Now take out disform's question because it has nothing to do with anything i posted How did you know NM was good as town at the time of this post: On February 04 2016 13:31 VayneAuthority wrote: well jokes aside I will give you space for now, apparently you are good as town so no reason to day 1 lynch you | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:19 boxerfred wrote: oh cmon rels Sry buddy you tried too hard | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:22 boxerfred wrote: im not going to react to your tunneling. Just one thing: remember that game where I was scum - and we all called you SCUM MVP because you TUNNEL THE FUCK OUT OF A TOWNIE which helped us a fucking lot? You're doing it again. I also remember games where I tunneled scum. Sry bud. Like, if you first reaction after your post in point 2 had been "oh yeah I'm dumb I forgot about the scum vig again", it was kinda unbelivable but maybe town possible. BUT YOU TRIED TO ARGUEE YOU WERE REMEMBERING OF SCUM VIG WHEN CLEARLY IT IS NOT THE CASE So you lied to explain yuor actions. Scum. | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:25 VayneAuthority wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502650-2015-tl-mafia-power-ranking Has nothing to do with what I posted though so not sure why this matters It cuold have mattered. It doesn't anymore, your answer makes sense. I can explain if yuo want but it has no interest. | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:27 boxerfred wrote: why would I lie to explain a dumbtell, ever Cause as scum you HAVE this need to logically explain every attack against you. So you lied, you said something that seemed to make sense, but I just proved it was a lie. Why would you lie as town BTW ? | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:28 LightningStrike wrote: Also boxerfred been dumb telling about the scum vig. Twice two days in a row ? Can you read my case please ? | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:29 VayneAuthority wrote: If im going to get lynched for accusations that the original poster doesnt even feel the need to substantiate then I really have no interest in this game, rather just get lynched and do something else. because my time is clearly wasted I just fucking said this thing has no alignement relevance anymore so you are fucking wrong. Go what you want with your time. | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:33 VayneAuthority wrote: NM has yet to post any of the meta evidence that I requested so i am not wrong Don't answer to me then. BTW what is your scum meta ? | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:34 disformation wrote: Summoning no jutsu of LS complete Yo, what question did I not answer ? | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:37 disformation wrote: Ah, IC you misunderstood my post. You did not not answer a question. You stole my question I wanted to ask VA. But is fine and well since you nearly got him to answer. Oh OK. p: | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:40 MoosyDoosy wrote: Hey Rels, I may or may not experiencing with NM what I had to go through with you. (= | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:44 Chezinu wrote: PSPS: I think Chez is town and so did ritoky. You're funny. (= | ||
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BUT DONT FORGET BF. HE S SCUM. If I die please take the time to either read my case: + Show Spoiler + On February 10 2016 07:16 Rels wrote: BF is scum: a tell of dumb 1 + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2016 02:41 Rels wrote: BF, there is a scum vig role. It was talked about in thread so I have no idea how you could miss it. 24 hours ago, BF made the "dumbtell" of not knowing there was a scum vig, when it was talked about at length at some point before. I reminded it to him. 2 24 hours later, BFmakes a post talking about the fact that there is three kills. He completely forgets the scum vig that I mentioned to him previously. We can be sure that he forgets it because he says "bad bad vig shot or did I miss stuff?", so either he doesn't remember there is a scum vig, or he's faking it. This is the first point as to why BF is scum: how can he forget there is a scum vig when I mention it to him 24 hours ago ? Furthermore, the open question "did I miss stuff ?" is an invitation to being corrected. Scum is likely to do that to (1) make a dumbtell, proving they are not scum 'cause they wouldn't forget that, and (2) that let him discuss with people, bringing activity. 3 BF says he didn't forget that there is a scum vig, that he simply didn't mention him to focus on the town vig. This is a lie. As seen in point 2, BF either forgot about scum vig, or faked it. It's not possible the sentence "bad bad vig shot or did I miss stuff?" is made with a scum vig in mind. It shows BF is scum because lie = scum. 4 BF finally admits he forgot abuot the scum vig. This is a lie, because in the posts quoted in point 3 he argueed he actually didn't forget to explain his behaviour. Lie = scum. BF => scum. Or the TLDR version (you'll need to open the spoilers if yuo want to read the BF posts though):
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On February 10 2016 08:05 disformation wrote: Yeah, NM made a super stupid post earlier. Which one ? | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:06 boxerfred wrote: ##vote Koshi You should vote VA. NM 100% tracked him last night. ##Vote VA | ||
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The game might be solved actually. It's super bullshit we only have 1 mislynch though. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:09 LightningStrike wrote: Okay the marv NK I kinda expected but a 2nd one I didn't. I will read their filters after dinner. A flipped tracker just posted this: On February 10 2016 07:59 NocturneMage wrote: (6) The Intangible - Finally, you've just got to trust me with this read. IF I DIE THIS NIGHT PHASE, VA IS CONFIRMED MAFIA. I AM NOT INSANE. THERE IS A REASON I AM SAYING THIS. ANYONE WHO CAN THINK A MODICUM OUTSIDE THE BOX SHOULD REALISE WHY I'VE BEEN PUSHING HIM HARD. I HAVEN'T STOPPED AFTER DAY 1. YES KOSHI IS MAFIA. BUT PLEASE LYNCH VAYNE AUTHORITY BEFORE KOSHI. IF I DIE, THAT SHOULD BE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW. DO NOT LET HIM TALK YOU OUT OF IT. JUST DO IT!!!!!!!! There is no other lynch today. | ||
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Please ignore him and vote him. Then let's talk about other stuff like how Koshi is the next day's lynch. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:14 boxerfred wrote: also, Rels, if we have one mislynch left, I'm fine with being it just to see you dig your head out of the tunnel and see the light. Bro I don't think I vote you over Chez. In the unlikely world where I'm alive in two days. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:15 boxerfred wrote: can we shorten the day down to 24 hours? Disagree. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: how many mislynches do we have? 1 if there is one kill every night. | ||
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Only 2 mislynches is bullshit. Really hope we don't lose if one of the scum if BF / Chez / Moosy just because we lynched the other two. That would be really bullshit. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:23 boxerfred wrote: okay Rels can you get mad at MD now and also scum read him Scum post. I need you to explain exactly why and how the fuck you lied in yuor posts I quoted in point 3 of my case. I cannot udnersatnd. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:26 boxerfred wrote: oh c'mon. 1. I was dumb and didn't read. That was yesterday. 2. I was dumb and didn't remember what yesterday was. That is it. The next few posts are an embarassed boxerfred laughing at himself. Thank you for your attention. Anymore questions before I go to bed? Yes. You didn't explain anything that I asked. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:47 boxerfred wrote: also 2 scum kp d1 but we had a 3rd kill so yeah. bad bad vig shot or did I miss stuff? It's clear you forgot about the scum vig. On February 10 2016 06:52 boxerfred wrote: but Rels what about fucking Poe Dameron? You're so locked on your scum vig theory, why is that? On February 10 2016 06:53 boxerfred wrote: I actually didn't. 24 hours ago, I was sold on the idea of a scum vig. Now, I'm thinking that there's a town vig in, too. On February 10 2016 06:55 boxerfred wrote: I said some time ago that we have a bad vig. Rels told me there's a scum vig role in the game. Now I say again maybe there's a bad vig in. This time with the realization that we have poe dameron, a vig role for town, in. And in those posts right after I calkl you scum you say you knew there was a scum vig. ???? | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:27 boxerfred wrote: Holy cow Rels you completely disregard what I've done for town and pin yourself down in a fucking tunnel because I contradicted myself? Holy NM and marv both fucking townread me why do you think THEY were killed? Because I'm the most likely guy to get a mislynch on, ESPECIALLY if MD is scum and Chez is town. Boom, scum plan: get bf mislynched get chez mislynched win Shut up. Marv was killed because he's marv. NM was killed because VA knew he tracked him. Your argument is bullshit. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:29 boxerfred wrote: You are so fucking wrong in that tunnel and you were it before. If you'll lynch me in a potential LYLO situation I'll blame you so hard on throwing this game I'm asking ONE question. Please answer it. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:31 MoosyDoosy wrote: wait, hold up. How would VA know NM tracked him? Cause he was pushing VA non stop | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:31 boxerfred wrote: Post 1: i forgot everythign. Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". Like where exactly in there is the reason to suddenly 100 fucking percent lock me at scum? You cannot be this bad. Post 1: i forgot everythign. THEN THE FUCKING NEXT POST SHOULD BE "OH I FORGOT ABOUT HIM" NOT: Post 2: i say "look, you say scum vig, but can't there be town vig, too?" NOT: Post 3: i say "look, I didn't tink of town vig when we talked about it 24h ago" NOT: Post 4. i say (to marv!, read that post in fucking context) "yo, I said bad vig already 24h ago, which is when Rels told me there's a scum vig and that he probably shot. But I think that we might very well simply have a bad town vig". | ||
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Disfo take Marv and nm place please Koshi and va are scum Last one is chez or moosy Without a surprise df or ls scum we should win this | ||
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I'm likely to be the next kill But yeah as long as town doesn't derp and lynch them both it should be ok | ||
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Maybe cause I was pushing hardcore for his lynch :p | ||
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On February 10 2016 09:02 VayneAuthority wrote: I visited marv N1, I'm chewbacca. So not sure why he thought his track was so good? Yeah that's why nm thought you were 1000% scum because you visited a guy that didn't die | ||
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Nice slam dunk :D | ||
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On February 10 2016 09:07 VayneAuthority wrote: yea im just trolling im mafia. But i actually did visit marv n1 Lie I think ? Framing him is a bad idea, roleblocking him means no roleblock on kp in case of vet. | ||
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On February 10 2016 09:12 VayneAuthority wrote: I can tell you, im the roleblocker. correctly knew marv was a blue but not the right kind ^^ Meh. Still think you would rb one of your targets in case of vet. Losing one kp because of vet is bad. | ||
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On February 10 2016 09:12 disformation wrote: Also wtf. Did NM seriously have 3/4 scummers D1? Strong | ||
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On February 10 2016 09:12 VayneAuthority wrote: also it doubled into a belivable claim as a medic incase I needed to. Bs, he had to see you deliver kp to be this convinced | ||
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Kinda think it's chez though | ||
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On February 10 2016 18:12 boxerfred wrote: Rels sorry for the insults. I got mad. No prob I still can't understand how the fuck you could make those posts :p but I've learned the hard way it doesn't make someone scum all the time | ||
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Chez and Moosy, you're the two likely lynches lategame if one of you is a role, he claims it now. If you make any claim later than today, you will be confirmed scum | ||
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WE DONT CARE THAT YOU GET KILLED BY SCUM IF YOURE A ROLE. ITS ACTUALLY GOOD IF YOU GET KILLED INSTEAD OF LYNCHED. SO CLAIM | ||
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On February 10 2016 19:27 boxerfred wrote: Rels, take a step back, take a breather, stop oneliners, re-read filters. I know the attitude you're in from the game we played where I was scum. We were constantly cheering to you in our QT because the confusion your fast ideas created plus your tunneling was really great for us back then. It really feels like it's exactly the same as it was back then (which, well, means you're confirmed town, yeah, that's good). I read both Chez and Moosy's filters and if we had to lynch someone today, it 100% should be one of these two. I would push for Chez, but NM's points on Moosy were good too. Do you disagree that they should claim immediately if they're a role ? By doing that we eliminate the possibility for them to fakeclaim later if they are scum. AND if they have a role, we don't really care that they get killed by scum as it actually helps us. I guess LS should do it too if you're unsure. | ||
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On February 10 2016 19:38 boxerfred wrote: ESPECIALLY because this: This feels genuine to me. Like, really genuine. Yeah that was my main reason to townread Moosy too, but marv made me doubt about that. | ||
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On February 10 2016 19:40 boxerfred wrote: It would absolutely match the afk pattern. Can we say we lynch Chez first, then moosy? That what I would do if I had to decide all the following lynches right now. Obv that could evolve, especially LS is scum and simply tryharded for 24 hours. | ||
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On February 10 2016 09:15 LightningStrike wrote: Man VA gave up lol. If for some reason he flips doctor(highly doubt it ) then lynching Koshi should give us scum flip. This one. And a few others that was "posting exactly my thought process" style that matches what I remember of LS town play. | ||
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On February 10 2016 20:04 boxerfred wrote: why does that make LS town? He's thinking about the possibility of VA being doctor when VA has been caught. He knows VA has been caught if he's scum 'cause he said "VA gave up", so if he's scum it's weird that he at the same time says his partner has given up AND imagines the possibility where he actually flips doc. | ||
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On February 10 2016 20:13 boxerfred wrote: hmkay. Okay. I really don't want to wait 72 hours until the next day, then another 48 hour until we have our first mislynch. Can't we shorten the day? I know HTS usually don't let the day gets shorten for one particular day. If it gets shorten, it's for the rest of the game, and 48h instead of 24h can crucial at LYLO. Plus more time for LS to prove his alignment. I've given up on darth, I think he's town and if he's scum, I don't think I'll ever vote him over Chez, Moosy, LS ... even you TBH. If there is the option to shorten only today, yeah why not. | ||
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On February 10 2016 23:10 LightningStrike wrote: Someone said he claimed like no tomorrow(I didn't check how many times he claimed VT other than the start) my bad on that >.< Can you find that post ? | ||
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On February 10 2016 22:46 boxerfred wrote: voted VA. regarding onegu: Shit I missed this, hope he gets well soon. He claimed VT in the beginning and since he even went to the hospital I'm pretty sure that this was no lie. LS to the townpile, locked this time. okay. so as long as darth isn't scum, we won. VA, Koshi, Chez/MD. Since we have a mislynch, I don't care too much anymore. I'd even say we start with Chez or MD next day instead of Koshi so scum can concede? BTW I'm super against that. We kill confirmed scums first, then we see. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:54 marvellosity wrote: Koshi -> Chez -> the rest tbh i'm coming round to bf town. I'm just not letting myself think about all the contradictions I found. It's bad for my health hehehe I was mad yesterday about that (= | ||
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On February 11 2016 01:46 LightningStrike wrote: I will check for it later when I get home from school that why I can't be bothered to do ti right now because I getting ready for school. K. Won't forget it. | ||
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Welcome, traveler! You're the best sniper in the world. The best I'm sure! Well, let's test that ... with a sniper competition! You start the game with 1 ammunition. Each phase, you can do one action. Type these keywords in thread to decide your action: ##Shoot XXX: hit a enemy sniper with a no scope headshot. Yeah! Your target will immediately die unless he protected himself. Uses 1 ammunition. ##Protect: defense is the best defense right ? You're protected from any normal shot. ##Reload: gains one ammunition. ##Kill XXX: kill a enemy sniper. Yep, even if your target protected. That's how powerful you are! Uses 3 ammunition though. Nothing: Do nothing. You can change your action any number of times until the deadline. If deadline for the current phase is for example 23:00, you can change your action until 22:59; at 23:00, the last action typed will count. A phase last 5 minutes. We will start a new phase immediately as long as there is at least 2 snipers alive. You win when you're the last sniper alive! | ||
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Players still alive: Rels: 1 ammunition Chezinu: 1 ammunition disformation: 1 ammunition Good luck! | ||
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On February 11 2016 07:22 Chezinu wrote: "Rels, don't shoot me plz don't shoot me." Oh OK. Let's shoot disfo then ? Shoot him while I reload. If he protects, I will kill him when I get to 3 ammunitions. | ||
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Rels - 2 ammunitions Chezinu - 1 ammunittion disfo - 1 ammunition Next phase starts! It ends at 22:30 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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On February 11 2016 07:26 disformation wrote: Uh crap. I think my only option is king making? You're cool though. Surely you wouldn't shoot me ? | ||
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Snipers still alive: disfo - 1 ammunition Rels - 1 ammunition New phase starts! It ends at 22:35 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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Should have repeated it phase 2 =D | ||
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In 2 minutes | ||
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Disfo died! Rels wins! | ||
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On February 11 2016 07:35 Chezinu wrote: Double Kill! EZEZ | ||
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HTS ???? | ||
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Chez I'm pretty you're scum now p: getting excited for that but being AFK the rest of the game instead for flavor post that don't scumhunt | ||
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Palmar's fault bro. He threw the game for ya | ||
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On February 11 2016 07:35 disformation wrote: I hate that last second posting BS tbh. Gist of this game is that you should last second post though. The thing is to try to guess what the others will do last second, while WIFOMing your actions. | ||
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Chez, Moosy, you're still around ? | ||
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On February 11 2016 07:44 Chezinu wrote: Disform shot first... but then the host changed it... Chezinu, claim your role now. If you don't claim your role today, I will do my maximum for you to be the lynch after Koshi. So it's against your wincon as either alignment. Once you have claimed, you cannot ever rescind or change your claim. If you die, same thing as above. | ||
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Moosy, same thing: Claim your role now. If you don't claim your role today, I will do my maximum for you to be the lynch after Koshi. So it's against your wincon as either alignment. Once you have claimed, you cannot ever rescind or change your claim. If you die, same thing as above. | ||
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On February 11 2016 07:47 Chezinu wrote: You be blue hunting this whole day Rels... Yep. | ||
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I think I will fight for one of you that has not claimed to be the lynch today instead. So if you're town, it's in your best interest to claim right now. If you're scum, I'm OK with you being lynched. THere is no downside to claiming as we - DONT - care if you get killed by scum. You're a lynchbait if you're town: mafia killing you is perfect. Furthermore, I'm quite sure VA Is the roleblocker, so you won't be roleblocked. VA claimed roleblocker that visited marv. Now slam dunk scum always try to put some WIFOM as thread. Claiming roleblocker is not WIFOM: as we will learn the truth if he is not verry soon. But I'm pretty sure he didn't visit marv, THAT is the WIFOM part. | ||
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Even if I can get you lynched today, if you evert claim after today you should be the lynch immediately. See you tomorrow! | ||
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On February 11 2016 07:53 disformation wrote: I would like to wait with that until the RB flip is confirmed. I think VA was rather honest, but I prefer safe plays. The thing is - IF they are scum, they WILL fakeclaim at LYLO, and should be lynched. IF they are really blues and wait for LYLO to claim, they WILL also get lynched 'cause of the above. | ||
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How many shot are you ? | ||
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So you will tell us if moosy is town. If yes we will lynch you to verify your role, then someone else than moosy if you flipped blue. If you say he's scum, we will lynch him, then lynch you if the game is still going on. Easy | ||
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On February 11 2016 08:34 LightningStrike wrote: You were a roleblocker though just not the town one ;D Hehe :p | ||
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If chez gives useful info after koshi dies you lynch him anyway, the game should end. If the game doesn't end, you use his useful info to lynch scum. Ez | ||
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On February 11 2016 08:35 LightningStrike wrote: You conceded so I he the last laugh though :D Yep, moosy was blue | ||
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I'm pretty sure you're scum though | ||
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On February 11 2016 08:40 LightningStrike wrote: If he's scum then he fakeclaimed cop. If he's town he can give us info. Yep. That's pretty cool since we have two auto lynched lined up. And if he dies we have one less people to worry about | ||
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Maybe nm was 4/4 What's good about that is that we still lynch moosy and chez UNLESS chez says we don't kill moosy. If that happens, we kill chez and another guy. | ||
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On February 11 2016 17:03 boxerfred wrote: If MD flips town, id love to see some post game punishment for severely playing against wincon. ??? If hes town he just claims cop and will probably assure us the victory. | ||
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On February 12 2016 23:36 LightningStrike wrote: I think we shouldn't shorten the day because we haven't got a concrete 4th scum yet. ++ We cannot only shorten next day. 24h LYLO is advantageous for scum. | ||
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- who is the most likely scum after that ? - what was their management of you ? Will read carefully if I'm still alive tomorrow. | ||
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On February 13 2016 06:10 boxerfred wrote: Just one thing that makes me town If koshi flips scum: his "bf is pretty town bro." This is a tmi call. "Hes town, dont you see it, its so obvious to everyone. " How likely do you think it is that koshi flips scum ? | ||
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Chez if you're cop I hope you post your checks before deadline in case you're killed. | ||
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Chez hardclaimed his role, filter him to see. Disfo you agree on that ? | ||
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On February 13 2016 07:33 disformation wrote: I should be kinda obv if you look through his filter. Would prefer for him to say it himself though, so I can double check his story... maybe I just post what I think his checks are b4 deadline? Man can't decide if I would like that or not. p: | ||
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On February 13 2016 07:49 LightningStrike wrote: Wait didn't VA claim he rb'd Marv N1? That doesn't mean shit. Probably means he didn't TBH. We can't verify that, why would scum post info in thread ? Answer => WIFOM It's extremely unlikely they roleblocked Chezinu though | ||
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The guy knew the names of all the roles and of strongarm, it's impossible he forgot to send checks while knowing all this info It's extremely unlikely Chezinu got roleblocked, let alone two nights in a row. He should have a check tomorrow anyway since rber is dead. | ||
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On February 13 2016 07:53 Chezinu wrote: I'm not a cop... I can't know things like if someone is Han Solo... I just guessers... Scum. | ||
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The only justification Chez had for fakeclaiming cop as town was to attract a bullet. In this mindset, there is 0% chance he rescinds his claim BEFORE the bullet can hit him. Chezinu is scum. FIN | ||
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On February 16 2016 21:14 boxerfred wrote: Also, Rels: serious apologies for the ad hom stuff I gave you mid-game. I still get mad when I'm scumread while I have "omg I'm so good this game" in my head. 0 problem bro you played a good game. So good it looked like your scum tryhard meta. =D I know I am aggressive when I think someone is not making sense. WP all of us it was a good example of cohesive town not allowing scum to enter town circle. (= Like every town player played super good. Gotta throw a shoutout at Damdred; I think you mentioned you were trying to post less with more content this game ? Well, whether that was your intention or not, your posts were few but extremely good, and I agreed with almost everything you said which is pretty cool. (= Not gonna shoutout everybody as I really think every town player played super good. Maybe I have more reservation on The Chez; why did you WIFOM your claim EON3 ????? I would have pushed you soooo hard for that if I was still alive p: you shouldn't have been scared of being killed since it was GOOD for town! WIFOMing like that only adds chaos to the game. Finally, I know I was quite mad at the balance while I was playing, but in retrospect I agree with Palmar. It was a swingy but balanced game; lots of KP for scums, lots of investigative power for town. GG hosts for the good hosting, GG town for the EZ victory, GG scums sry for the crush. =D | ||
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On February 17 2016 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you serious HtS? Nothing happened after N1 except for NM casing VA. Literally nothing else happened in this game after N1... Jaleous boy! I'm sure you wanted to play with us but it just filled too fast! | ||
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DONT LET ANYONE BRING YOU DOWN | ||
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On February 17 2016 00:50 disformation wrote: I still rather believe in NM who believes in his meta reads despite saying he doesn't like meta reads. BTW something HTS didn't say I think was that I loved your way of nitpicking every argument made in thread, you were the kinda "fact checker" of the thread which was pretty cool | ||
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