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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On February 06 2016 01:23 VayneAuthority wrote: HTS changed the rules just for you my man, no lynch is now a viable option!  Don't think a no lynch is good for town today. Sadly. xD | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On February 06 2016 02:16 marvellosity wrote: i wrote why and it's been quoted by several people, you probably should have noticed  Roger cap'n. On it | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On February 05 2016 09:57 Chezinu wrote: Ok, guys I have a confession to make... I may have graduated from the Academy... I have defected. But you guys can trust me. My dearest friend is, I believe, a Jedi in the making. So. Here chez says that he defected from the Jedi academy. One of the first things that come to mind is that he turned his back on the academy and turned to the dark side. But why would he admit to leaving the academy in the first place if this would be true? I also don't think he has displayed the classical strong emotions that are typical a tell of the dark side. I think he had a dispute with the teachings of the academy and left them in order to take a more active stance in assisting the resistance against the first order. Thus I think Chez is town aligned 3rd party. Also didn't we just have someone displaying a lot of anger in the thread? | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On February 05 2016 08:25 Zyrre wrote: By timing you mean that you and disinfo started commenting about me? It was like 20-30 minutes before I posted. If you think I read through the thread and formulated my post in that amount of time you are severely overestimating me. Yeah, meant that. Kinda had that feeling earlier again. | ||
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justanothertownie
16326 Posts
On February 06 2016 02:15 darthfoley wrote: I'm most confident in voting Zyrre right now. ##Vote: Zyrre Can someone tell me why Palmar is being scum read by some of the more experienced players? Is it simply because he hasn't been as bossy? tldr: Palmar posted stuff that town Palmar most likely would not post and that leads nowhere. Palmar had 0 impact on anything while still being around for a while. Had some dominant town performances lately where he confidently pushed what he believed - nothing to be seen this game despite a promise to do shit later on. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Palmar - my vote is on him, and he's a decent lynch. Actually I think his absence today is kinda non-admissable, i think as either alignment he'd show up if he could. Not totally sure though. My main issue with Palmar is that he has quite a few posts but none of them are really pushing anything forward or finding mafia. Ironically if his filter was half the size I'd be more inclined to think he was town. If he comes in later while i'm out and makes a case on me, lynch him. Just lynch him. He knows I am town (or should at least feel i am) and would never want to lynch me today, he'd only be doing it to destabilise whatever influence I have on town. And yes he'd do it even after I wrote this. He may come back and look town, which is nice. I'd also note it's not beyond mafia Palmar to afk and hope for the best when he's mafia, even if i do rather think he'd come and try do stuff. Zyrre - I wrote stuff already. But really I just want people to do this. I will make it easy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=Zyrre http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/422313-newbie-mini-mafia-xlv?user=Zyrre His filter from this game, and his towngame in the newbie. Just read the first page of the newbie game. Just do it.. I find it very, very hard to believe these 2 filters are from the same alignment. The filters are just *so* *different*. I'm not even going to do any explanation. If you can't see it, stab yourself in the face for being terrible. For him to be town I'd have to believe he's just SOOOOO overawed by this game (I do not believe this for a moment, not to this extent). boxerfred - I thought his early push on ritoky looked townie, but as I explained a little earlier, I started having my doubts about how he continued to go about it and the certainty. The way he treats disformation as so strongly town is also bizarre, he hadn't warranted it THAT much that early, but he does it numerous times, and then the weird thing where he's asking where disfo is. His overreaction to the trolls/afkers is mind-boggling. It could be town having a bitchfit, but on probabilities it feels more fake and mafia-oriented. On the flip side he has at least done a few things. I still think he might be mafia though. Everyone else - kush can be mafia a la koshi, but it gives me heebie jeebies. He's kinda trolling but kinda doing things. Chez is mostly a coinflip. I didn't like him incorrectly using his own rule on disfo, and further i didn't like his jokey but also meek explanation that he was just sheeping Koshi, Chez is more stubborn and strong-willed than that. VA - gonna leave him for today NM - no idea Others - no idea or some form of townread I think I trust jat. tbh if I didn't think I was coming back at all before deadline I'd place my vote on Zyrre right now. But I will leave it on Palmar for now and change it later as necessary. | ||
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Zyrre
Sweden291 Posts
On February 06 2016 02:00 Koshi wrote: He is most likely just playing mindgames with everybody. Vote for who you think is mafia. Consolidate EoD. Also proof to marv you are town because if he comes for you, I will follow. Your defense against his case was "I am bad". What does that mean? You totally don't believe in those reads again? Marv's argument was that I had made a similar, but better, post in a game from 2013. The other game I have played on TL as mafia was from 2010. There is a grand sample size of two very old games. So if there is a similar bad post on D1 in the game from 2010, it would mean there is a 50% chance I am mafia? I just dont see how you can draw any conclusions from a sample size of basically 0. If I am bad at reading on D1, it would be logical that in a few games, perhaps where the mafia is making themselves more obvious, or I am just more attentive towards the game, I would make some sense. But in other games I would have much weaker reasonings for my D1 reads. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
Vote Count - Day 1 Palmar (3):marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, nooniansoong (2): Koshi, ritoky (2): boxerfred, Chezinu, justanothertownie (1): Palmar VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy Onegu (1):, nooniansoong Zyrre (1): darthfoley Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): NocturneMage (0), Not Voting (6): Damdred, Onegu, Zyrre, ritoky, NocturneMage. disformation At this time, Palmar is slated to be lynched. Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
right, toodles! | ||
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Zyrre
Sweden291 Posts
Still, it was one game 2.5 years ago. I dont even remember it. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 06 2016 01:09 nooniansoong wrote: 1 I don't expect zyrre to roll scum, then start thinking up mindgamey things to say about how great it feels to be town. Someone like ritoky would do this, someone liek zyrre wouldn't. 2 HIs read of ritoky is changing as he is reading. He's thinking deep about NM's argument. Guaranteed town. This is one of the reasons Zyrre should be in the 50/50 or "leave it to inv" category. The other reason he should also be in the 50/50 category is that there is soemthing in his "shitty" post that everyone is going on about. Yes, it's bad. Yes, marvellosity has drawn a comparison between the 2010 post and this one. But there's one thing that is worthy of consideration and that's lack of time. First sentence in Zyrre's post mentions he was (paraphrasing) pressed for time to play. The town perspective here is that if someone doesn't have much time to play their reads are not going to be so good - in fact their reads are not going to be good as either alignment, really - and whatever sticks out to them sticks out to them as they are reading. The "game is hard" argument (subsequent post) has been used by people from both alignments, and quite frankly he's not the only one to have said this. I still want to engage him if he's around through end of cycle. If he should be mafia, and he gets lynched (seeing as he's likely to be a competing wagon), we get possible information on his partners. If people aren't voting Koshi or VA, then Palmar is the way to go today. Again, as I skimmed through, whoever mentioned the lazy argument in his favour I'm not buying it. As I said for Moosy Doosy laziness/not playing is a meta/behaviour/whatever phrasing you want to use that is easily replicated. Also having played Dark Tournament, I understand Palmar is not a player who plays or is active on weekends. This is not alignment indicative - judge him on the output so far. And as such I'm voting him. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 06 2016 02:43 Zyrre wrote: Marv, the biggest difference I see in my filters is activity. I think I was just more confident as it was a newbie game. Still, it was one game 2.5 years ago. I dont even remember it. ......and I was effectively ninjaed. Still I think my explanation is valid. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 06 2016 02:50 disformation wrote: And why didnt you vote Palmar before? Waiting for the thread consent? I started at 3am CET, I crashed somewhere between 8/8:30. This is day 1. And if you look at the votes, consolidation on day 1 is a mess. If you're town you want to consolidate. If I - or others - can come up with preferred lynches based on things I feel make them mafia, be it meta (yes it can be used properly, I didn't ignore your post), or be it lack of direction (see marv's last post), then I don't see what the problem is. People also had trouble understanding my previous arguments against VA, so I re-presented it ignoring myself (bias). I feel there's adequate cause for being scummy. That said, I want to ask you disformation, why you are not asking this same question of VA. He has said dick all prior to my "why Palmar could be mafia post". (Yes I realise I'm voting WITH him on Palmar, but that's besides the point, other townreads are doing so, and we can see based on the flip what is going on. I am confident in a red flip and then we can evaluate the context of how people got there.) | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Zyrre
Sweden291 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On February 06 2016 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote: oh and ##vote: Palmar He is supposed to be my day 1 antithesis, the pinnacle of good day 1 play. where is that here Read VAs filter. ZERO mention of Palmar and this timing was well after my post/others' discussion. Ask him that too. | ||
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