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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 05 2016 18:36 GMT
#1081
On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law

VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush.
This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash.


How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum?

And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction?

The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this.

I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this.

If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous.

But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally.

This.
Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town?
You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town.
Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
February 05 2016 18:36 GMT
#1082
On February 06 2016 03:36 nooniansoong wrote:
How am I a better plynch than Onegu???? like I'm probably the worst plynch out of all the people who are good plynches.

lol
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 05 2016 18:38 GMT
#1083
On February 06 2016 03:36 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law

VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush.
This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash.


How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum?

And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction?

The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this.

I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this.

If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous.

But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally.

This.
Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town?
You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town.
Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD

this plan is actually genius
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
February 05 2016 18:39 GMT
#1084
On February 06 2016 03:36 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law

VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush.
This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash.


How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum?

And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction?

The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this.

I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this.

If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous.

But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally.

This.
Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town?
You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town.
Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD

No, we can 100 % see day2 who we want to lynch day2 and there won't be any stupid bargains like this.

If you are suddenly so convinced then make a conclusive case on NM.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 05 2016 18:43 GMT
#1085
On February 06 2016 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 03:36 disformation wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law

VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush.
This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash.


How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum?

And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction?

The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this.

I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this.

If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous.

But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally.

This.
Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town?
You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town.
Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD

No, we can 100 % see day2 who we want to lynch day2 and there won't be any stupid bargains like this.

If you are suddenly so convinced then make a conclusive case on NM.

  • Says he doesn't like meta and that he tries to find other evidence for alignment.
  • Makes meta case on Palmar saying Palmar could be scum. Based on games NM didn't even play in.
  • Ignores meta evidence that say Palmar could be lazy town.
  • Votes Palmar after Palmar has got a decent chunk of votes.
  • Doesn't answer my questions but tries to deflect me by asking me about VA.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 05 2016 18:43 GMT
#1086
Everything Kush does screams mafia to me.
Now he is just here showing activity so the next batch of votes don't hit him. Why would he show this much activity in a game he doesn't care supposedly?? He could have just played normal and it would never be an issue.

This guy even played scum like this before. Like... I know it for sure, just not which game. That is 1 on 1 meta.

Let me get some quotes.
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
February 05 2016 18:46 GMT
#1087
On February 06 2016 03:43 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:36 disformation wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law

VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush.
This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash.


How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum?

And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction?

The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this.

I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this.

If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous.

But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally.

This.
Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town?
You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town.
Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD

No, we can 100 % see day2 who we want to lynch day2 and there won't be any stupid bargains like this.

If you are suddenly so convinced then make a conclusive case on NM.

    [1] Says he doesn't like meta and that he tries to find other evidence for alignment.
    [2] Makes meta case on Palmar saying Palmar could be scum. Based on games NM didn't even play in.
    [3] Ignores meta evidence that say Palmar could be lazy town.
    [4] Votes Palmar after Palmar has got a decent chunk of votes.
    [5] Doesn't answer my questions but tries to deflect me by asking me about VA.

[1] Not scummy.
[2] Not scummy.
[3] Not sure what kind of evidence you are talking about or how NM "ignored" it.
[4] Not scummy.
[5] Needs a more detailed explanation.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 05 2016 18:46 GMT
#1088
Ok I can't find it. But I am sure he said it somewhere.
I had a good night of sleep.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 18:47 GMT
#1089
On February 06 2016 03:43 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:36 disformation wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law

VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush.
This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash.


How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum?

And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction?

The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this.

I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this.

If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous.

But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally.

This.
Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town?
You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town.
Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD

No, we can 100 % see day2 who we want to lynch day2 and there won't be any stupid bargains like this.

If you are suddenly so convinced then make a conclusive case on NM.

  • Says he doesn't like meta and that he tries to find other evidence for alignment.
  • Makes meta case on Palmar saying Palmar could be scum. Based on games NM didn't even play in.
  • Ignores meta evidence that say Palmar could be lazy town.
  • Votes Palmar after Palmar has got a decent chunk of votes.
  • Doesn't answer my questions but tries to deflect me by asking me about VA.


More games = stronger basis.
Third point, Dark Tournament shows an example of what he did do as lazy town and why that is missing here (lack of direction).
Voting Palmar is town consolidation and I presented my view - how is this exclusively scummy?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 18:47 GMT
#1090
disformation, let's just give you a hypothetical. If I was modkilled and you didn't have to consider me, whom would you vote for?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 05 2016 18:48 GMT
#1091
VE has been lynched 26 times, Vivax and Palmar have been lynched 24 times.

This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town.
I had a good night of sleep.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 05 2016 18:49 GMT
#1092
Can people in the policy lynch category or advocating policy lynches explain why they are opting for the policy lynch over Palmar? (Koshi excepted, since he already did).

Noon, having played in NSM18 and you tried to pull the same thing on Onegu, can you at least state where you'd put your vote or if I had to give you a hammer who you would hammer for a scum lynch?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
February 05 2016 18:51 GMT
#1093
On February 06 2016 03:48 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
VE has been lynched 26 times, Vivax and Palmar have been lynched 24 times.

This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town.

Nobody denies that Palmar can be shit as town.
But he usually only is shit by not being around at all. Here he was around and posted. If marv - the guy who always prides himself on being the best at reading Palmar - tells you Palmar is a good lynch then that should tell you something.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 05 2016 18:51 GMT
#1094
On February 06 2016 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 03:43 disformation wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:36 disformation wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law

VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush.
This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash.


How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum?

And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction?

The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this.

I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this.

If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous.

But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally.

This.
Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town?
You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town.
Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD

No, we can 100 % see day2 who we want to lynch day2 and there won't be any stupid bargains like this.

If you are suddenly so convinced then make a conclusive case on NM.

    [1] Says he doesn't like meta and that he tries to find other evidence for alignment.
    [2] Makes meta case on Palmar saying Palmar could be scum. Based on games NM didn't even play in.
    [3] Ignores meta evidence that say Palmar could be lazy town.
    [4] Votes Palmar after Palmar has got a decent chunk of votes.
    [5] Doesn't answer my questions but tries to deflect me by asking me about VA.

[1] Not scummy.
[2] Not scummy.
[3] Not sure what kind of evidence you are talking about or how NM "ignored" it.
[4] Not scummy.
[5] Needs a more detailed explanation.


Yes. [1] is not AI alone. But combined with [2] it is. Why would he make a case he can not believe in.
[4]: He could easily have voted earlier if he thinks Palmar is scum. Not leave his option open sitting on a list of four ppl.
[5]:+ Show Spoiler +
On February 06 2016 02:57 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 02:50 disformation wrote:
And why didnt you vote Palmar before? Waiting for the thread consent?


I started at 3am CET, I crashed somewhere between 8/8:30. This is day 1. And if you look at the votes, consolidation on day 1 is a mess. If you're town you want to consolidate.

If I - or others - can come up with preferred lynches based on things I feel make them mafia, be it meta (yes it can be used properly, I didn't ignore your post), or be it lack of direction (see marv's last post), then I don't see what the problem is.

People also had trouble understanding my previous arguments against VA, so I re-presented it ignoring myself (bias). I feel there's adequate cause for being scummy.

That said, I want to ask you disformation, why you are not asking this same question of VA. He has said dick all prior to my "why Palmar could be mafia post".

(Yes I realise I'm voting WITH him on Palmar, but that's besides the point, other townreads are doing so, and we can see based on the flip what is going on. I am confident in a red flip and then we can evaluate the context of how people got there.)


Will look at some of Palmar's filter and try to come back with opinions on [3] again.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
February 05 2016 18:52 GMT
#1095
On February 06 2016 03:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Can people in the policy lynch category or advocating policy lynches explain why they are opting for the policy lynch over Palmar? (Koshi excepted, since he already did).

Noon, having played in NSM18 and you tried to pull the same thing on Onegu, can you at least state where you'd put your vote or if I had to give you a hammer who you would hammer for a scum lynch?

Koshi isn't policy lynching. You can lynch kush for policy or because this fits his scummeta better than his townmeta.

Pure policy lynches would be Chezinu, Onegu and Moosy.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 05 2016 18:52 GMT
#1096
On February 06 2016 03:51 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 03:48 Koshi wrote:
VE has been lynched 26 times, Vivax and Palmar have been lynched 24 times.

This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town.

Nobody denies that Palmar can be shit as town.
But he usually only is shit by not being around at all. Here he was around and posted. If marv - the guy who always prides himself on being the best at reading Palmar - tells you Palmar is a good lynch then that should tell you something.

I disagree.
I had a good night of sleep.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 05 2016 18:54 GMT
#1097
On February 06 2016 03:47 NocturneMage wrote:
disformation, let's just give you a hypothetical. If I was modkilled and you didn't have to consider me, whom would you vote for?

Hm. Would sheep damdred.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 05 2016 18:54 GMT
#1098
marv not scumreading noon and failing miserably in reading me makes me think he might've rolled scum. fuck this, gonna ##unvote ##vote nooniansong, and if any of you follows zyrre or marv into a "bf is afk let's lynch him"-lynch, great, do it. bye for today
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 05 2016 18:54 GMT
#1099
On February 06 2016 03:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Can people in the policy lynch category or advocating policy lynches explain why they are opting for the policy lynch over Palmar? (Koshi excepted, since he already did).

Noon, having played in NSM18 and you tried to pull the same thing on Onegu, can you at least state where you'd put your vote or if I had to give you a hammer who you would hammer for a scum lynch?

zyrre. probably.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 05 2016 18:55 GMT
#1100
also no idea about Palmar by the way, didn't even remotely look into it.
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