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On February 06 2016 02:35 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar - my vote is on him, and he's a decent lynch. Actually I think his absence today is kinda non-admissable, i think as either alignment he'd show up if he could. Not totally sure though. My main issue with Palmar is that he has quite a few posts but none of them are really pushing anything forward or finding mafia. Ironically if his filter was half the size I'd be more inclined to think he was town. If he comes in later while i'm out and makes a case on me, lynch him. Just lynch him. He knows I am town (or should at least feel i am) and would never want to lynch me today, he'd only be doing it to destabilise whatever influence I have on town. And yes he'd do it even after I wrote this. He may come back and look town, which is nice. I'd also note it's not beyond mafia Palmar to afk and hope for the best when he's mafia, even if i do rather think he'd come and try do stuff.
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On February 06 2016 04:05 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:05 disformation wrote:
like can anyone sell me the palmar lynch without referring to meta? Did you read marv's arguments against him?
On February 06 2016 00:27 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 20:07 marvellosity wrote:On February 05 2016 20:04 justanothertownie wrote:On February 05 2016 20:01 marvellosity wrote:On February 05 2016 18:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Ah, misunderstood your post Koshi. Carry on.
Would have to check the meta part of NMs Palmar case but regardless I still agree with the conclusion. Maybe we should just try to lynch that lazy jackass today. Very tempting. ##unvote
##Vote Palmar*holds out hand* You have no idea how satisfying this is for me :D just to be clear: (apparently i like to write this this game when i vote for someone) i voted Palmar and then flicked through his filter. Tonally i don't see much that feels off in his filter. But he actually has quite a few posts and they haven't led anywhere. If Palmar is being lazy town I'd expect less posts. It's a bad post/decisively doing things ratio for him. in short: poking with a stick, might well keep poking right up to the end if i don't get my nuts off by then Hmm... must have missed this. Kinda like this explanation. Fits with my own experiences with palmar in dark tournament and PYP and thus is easier to relay to then a meta read by someone who does not like meta reads. Need to do some thinking about who I really want to lynch today.
Apparently, yes. =D
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On February 04 2016 09:30 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 09:28 Damdred wrote:On February 04 2016 09:22 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 09:20 Damdred wrote:
Disf I think you did answer my question in a good manner that's in line with your past reasoning.
Which lends me to think of bad reasoning that dis us town.
Anyeay I thinkim just going to ignore jat today and read him during the night. Maybe if I had a hammer I would do it for lolz but not now. no quick read on me, have you given up on it? I have my quick read on you written down. am trying to focus on scummy things like my hero palmar tells me to. I think hero is a bit pompous for my taste, I think maybe a " savior" would be better suited for me.
uh-oh palmar, nomen est omen you better not be a tr8tor
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On February 06 2016 04:05 boxerfred wrote:
also i reviewed that va/nm thing and I come to the conclusion that my original thought (one of them being mafia) is bullshit. there's no indicator for that and I obviously followed disformation who had this thought first. funny enough, he had it from ritoky who's originally a scumread of mine so wow I should read more details.
This post looks bad. But w.e
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On February 06 2016 04:04 disformation wrote:
bleh please don't talk about associations when we can't even decide who the wagons are.
can't read noon/kush for shit tbh and have reservations about lynching palmar.
what can i do to help you townread me (which requires no additional reading than ive already done)?
I am at your service.
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On February 06 2016 04:05 disformation wrote:
like can anyone sell me the palmar lynch without referring to meta?
I think the mentioned cases are strong enough without meta but what exactly is your problem with the meta part of it?
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On February 06 2016 04:03 boxerfred wrote:
a kush/bf team would mean that outlaw was rerolled, how likely is that? given my interaction with kush and my vote on him just now, how could I bring my scum fellow in a potential wagon situation? rofl
I did explain it earlier how kush and you might be related but you're right I see how it is stupid now
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On February 06 2016 04:00 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 03:56 NocturneMage wrote:On February 06 2016 03:48 Koshi wrote:VE has been lynched 26 times, Vivax and Palmar have been lynched 24 times. This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town. ??????????? To use an example from where I played in rayn's aborted invite game, he stopped playing at a given point and was shennanied onto during the weekend. Even in THAT game he was more opinionated and absolute. Here he's played. He's actually played and there's material he can be held accountable for and most of that was Wed night/Thursday. The game started Wed night. We're now at Friday night. So the whole weekend business is out the window based on what he has posted. Based on what he's posted, the "shit as town" argument shouldn't apply here. So he played really good and then went afk and people lynched him?
Explain this pls. I didn't read the invite game at all.
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On February 06 2016 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:05 disformation wrote:
like can anyone sell me the palmar lynch without referring to meta? I think the mentioned cases are strong enough without meta but what exactly is your problem with the meta part of it?
One that probably no one gets, since I mentioned it a few times by now.
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Fuck I need to go........ I disagree with this lynch 100%
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On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf[ritoky] might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
This post is good.
On February 04 2016 19:19 Palmar wrote:
ritoky did you ever explain why you have a dumb reason to TR jat?
This post follows up on an inquiry to ritoky. It is good.
On February 04 2016 19:28 Palmar wrote:
I am also somewhat close to starting to try to lynch marv, it's almost noon his time.
On February 04 2016 19:41 Palmar wrote:
I do like how I summoned marv though
This is also good.
On February 04 2016 19:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:43 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word.
is it me or does this post not make any sense? he's pushing ritoky and the fact he's pushing the guy who's posting the most / doing the most stuff actually comes across rather townie to me ? I ritoky is mafia and conjures up 6 points about a post from disformation, it is unlikely that every single one of them is genuinely disagreeable with bf. For example, he could have written the smiley = joke point off as meh. It's similar to how mafia tend to way overquote when they build cases because they're trying to paint every single thing scummy, when in reality you usually catch people on one single thing or one post or some other minor subset of their entire filter.
Another follow up on the initial "ritoky is scum because of his shit about disformation" and it is good.
On February 04 2016 19:50 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 19:49 marvellosity wrote:
carry on with your business, gentlemen. well what do you think?
Wants marv, gets marv, tries to get marv started, it's good.
On February 04 2016 20:01 Palmar wrote:
bf straight up ignoring me hurts a bit
coming back on me when I ignored one of his questions, this is good.
On February 04 2016 20:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:02 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:01 ritoky wrote:
marv did you read the thread or just respond to palmar/click his filter? i've read the thread you chose the less enlightening option. Does reading the thread include all of ritoky's big posts? I've read them in a "my eyes went across all the words" kinda way, yes so what do you think of ritoky?
comes back to ritoky, doesn't drop it although thread sentiment already dropped the ritoky topic, this is good.
And most interestingly:
On February 04 2016 22:50 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:On February 04 2016 22:36 Palmar wrote:
technically the "fake afk noted" post should make marv town. That's also something I have trouble seeing Palmar believe. Yes, he did read and "catch" marv on small things like this before but that post is definitely not something only townmarv would say. No, why not? There is a very easy explanation (and there's also a reason I say technically). When I'm town and marv is mafia, he doesn't like dealing with me. He generally sort of avoids it and tries to take the high road of "i'm always shit early / day 1". There's also a tone thing (which is usually how I catch him, he just sounds off) which often involves him lacking the standard marv sass, if only just slightly. So when he actually sort of engages with me and questions me, while also remaining sassy enough to fire back a joke like that (it's a reference to me saying the same thing to him earlier in the game), it feels both tonally right and situationally right. now the problem of course is marv is good at mafia, but seeing as he quit a game recently just because he rolled one, it's super hard for me to believe he'd actually try this game as scum, instead of just trying to afk through a day or two in hopes of picking off players who might get him lynched,. Do you genuinely believe that this is irrelevant or do you think my explanation is reasonable?
tbh I don't see Palmar being scum for the reasons marv says. But I'm not impressed by marv so far. And Palmar says that marv doesn't like dealing with him, boom, Palmar not here, marv sets up Palmar for the lynch. marv are you scum?
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On February 05 2016 20:31 marvellosity wrote:So I think this post: Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 20:14 Zyrre wrote:Reading through filters this morning trying to make some sense of the DeusX->reps->Umasi/alakaslam exchanges. reps: On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote:Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else. This post seems to be very town at first to me, however, following this post is 2.5h of posts where suspicion is aimed at DeusX instead. Then reps decides anyway to post this: On July 31 2013 14:48 reps)squishy wrote:
My response to skeptics.
He said he is a newbie multiple times!
Pff, oops I said I was a newbie to many times that does not decide what role I am.
He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that.
scroll up there is another post that I almost edited. Almost looks exactly the same scrubby mistake.
My mistakes have made me look pretty scummy. But assure me saying I was new was me being truthful. Me claiming I was a noob should not decide if I am scum or not. If he was going to point by point defend himself, why not do it right away? Seems overly defensivve too me since people did not jump on the wagon with DeusX and instead was questioning him at the time. Later, he posts this: On July 31 2013 15:00 reps)squishy wrote:On July 31 2013 14:58 Alakaslam wrote:On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote:Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else. Pfft. 'Scuse me, yeah there is. Coming I am Hapless Peon (Vanilla Townie) what you claimed to be To me it seems Alakaslam was saying that there was evidence DeusX was scummy. Even if he misread this as there being evidence that he(reps) was scummy, why would he as a proclaimed newbie claim his role when there was even talk about how very situational it was in the pregame? All this together seems very scummy to me, confused to bad townie at best. DeusX: His aggresion so early might seem scummy, but I think his strategy if he was scum is terrible. Yes as pointed out you can be vocal scum, but not in the way he is doing it. You would need to be much more neutral but still post a lot. Going all out and be the first guy to accuse someone first day, when chances are we will accidentaly lynch a town anyway, just why? No reason at all to do this. The only reason to start a new lynch would be if a mafia was already targeted which wasnt the case. In conclusion: he might be over-aggresive and his arguments may be weak, but not a mafia read from me so far. Umasi/alakasam: A bit hard to make sense of some of their chatter. However, just on the point they are also starting their own lynch and generally being friendly like that in the thread would make me lean town on them. I dont see why mafia would make such a strong connection between themselves for no reason (if one of them turns out mafia the other would be instantly lynched at next opportunity). Conclusion: Pretty much neutral atm for me. is much, much, much, much better than this post: Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 08:02 Zyrre wrote:
Went to bed shortly after the start, long day at work, and now back after reading the thread. I'm off work tomorrow so will try to post more before the lynch.
Some reads:
ritoky
leaning scum from bf's reasoning and his defense.
Just saying that posts are bad doesn't seem very productive, and saying he will lynch him quite early no matter if he is town or mafia. Says he wants to teach people by being "informed otherwise or punished for them". So due to his own reasoning he can just inform them and move on, but in this case he wanted to stop reading his posts and lynch him.
Claimed bf was doing nothing else than tunneling him, see below what bf was doing otherwise.
boxerfred
leaning town
Posted his read list of 6 people other than ritoky
Asking koshi to post scumreads rather then townreads
Calls out JAT for doing what he himself was arguing against(saying who was calling who scum, instead of the reasoning behind it)
damdred
slight scumlean
Some activity but only asking what others think and this "I'm awake and caught up I'll post more after coffee but jat pretty sexy today I must admit, bf oozing that town ness." with no real followup
noonian
biggest scum read right now, at the moment would probably vote for him
Saying he will not care about this game even if he lives
Says if he was scum he would be playing like he is doing right now
"There are probably people who have put less effort than even me into this game. You might want to lynch them instead of me. " -- literally zero reads posted
Look at the train of thought in the first post, look at him trying to work out something that happened in the game, and then the followable train of thought when he's talking about other players
This post is really good. marv is almost conf town in my mind.
I read the first few posts of zyrre in the other game and the difference is day and night. The only thing is that the game is 2 and a half years old so it's not fresh meta, but it shows that Zyrre is capable of subtle reads. His garbage list post is even more garbage when we compare it to what he is capable of.
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On February 06 2016 04:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:00 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 03:56 NocturneMage wrote:On February 06 2016 03:48 Koshi wrote:VE has been lynched 26 times, Vivax and Palmar have been lynched 24 times. This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town. ??????????? To use an example from where I played in rayn's aborted invite game, he stopped playing at a given point and was shennanied onto during the weekend. Even in THAT game he was more opinionated and absolute. Here he's played. He's actually played and there's material he can be held accountable for and most of that was Wed night/Thursday. The game started Wed night. We're now at Friday night. So the whole weekend business is out the window based on what he has posted. Based on what he's posted, the "shit as town" argument shouldn't apply here. So he played really good and then went afk and people lynched him? Explain this pls. I didn't read the invite game at all.
Trying to say that the number of times he's been lynched doesn't correlate to what you are saying. Not to mention it doesn't account for scum lynches either. It's a poor point to make.
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On February 06 2016 04:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:05 boxerfred wrote:
also i reviewed that va/nm thing and I come to the conclusion that my original thought (one of them being mafia) is bullshit. there's no indicator for that and I obviously followed disformation who had this thought first. funny enough, he had it from ritoky who's originally a scumread of mine so wow I should read more details. This post looks bad. But w.e
oh sorry for correcting myself without having to do it sorry for not misleading town into further discussion about a wrong topic wow koshi get out
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On February 06 2016 04:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 20:31 marvellosity wrote:So I think this post: On July 31 2013 20:14 Zyrre wrote:Reading through filters this morning trying to make some sense of the DeusX->reps->Umasi/alakaslam exchanges. reps: On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote:Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else. This post seems to be very town at first to me, however, following this post is 2.5h of posts where suspicion is aimed at DeusX instead. Then reps decides anyway to post this: On July 31 2013 14:48 reps)squishy wrote:
My response to skeptics.
He said he is a newbie multiple times!
Pff, oops I said I was a newbie to many times that does not decide what role I am.
He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that.
scroll up there is another post that I almost edited. Almost looks exactly the same scrubby mistake.
My mistakes have made me look pretty scummy. But assure me saying I was new was me being truthful. Me claiming I was a noob should not decide if I am scum or not. If he was going to point by point defend himself, why not do it right away? Seems overly defensivve too me since people did not jump on the wagon with DeusX and instead was questioning him at the time. Later, he posts this: On July 31 2013 15:00 reps)squishy wrote:On July 31 2013 14:58 Alakaslam wrote:On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote:Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else. Pfft. 'Scuse me, yeah there is. Coming I am Hapless Peon (Vanilla Townie) what you claimed to be To me it seems Alakaslam was saying that there was evidence DeusX was scummy. Even if he misread this as there being evidence that he(reps) was scummy, why would he as a proclaimed newbie claim his role when there was even talk about how very situational it was in the pregame? All this together seems very scummy to me, confused to bad townie at best. DeusX: His aggresion so early might seem scummy, but I think his strategy if he was scum is terrible. Yes as pointed out you can be vocal scum, but not in the way he is doing it. You would need to be much more neutral but still post a lot. Going all out and be the first guy to accuse someone first day, when chances are we will accidentaly lynch a town anyway, just why? No reason at all to do this. The only reason to start a new lynch would be if a mafia was already targeted which wasnt the case. In conclusion: he might be over-aggresive and his arguments may be weak, but not a mafia read from me so far. Umasi/alakasam: A bit hard to make sense of some of their chatter. However, just on the point they are also starting their own lynch and generally being friendly like that in the thread would make me lean town on them. I dont see why mafia would make such a strong connection between themselves for no reason (if one of them turns out mafia the other would be instantly lynched at next opportunity). Conclusion: Pretty much neutral atm for me. is much, much, much, much better than this post: On February 05 2016 08:02 Zyrre wrote:
Went to bed shortly after the start, long day at work, and now back after reading the thread. I'm off work tomorrow so will try to post more before the lynch.
Some reads:
ritoky
leaning scum from bf's reasoning and his defense.
Just saying that posts are bad doesn't seem very productive, and saying he will lynch him quite early no matter if he is town or mafia. Says he wants to teach people by being "informed otherwise or punished for them". So due to his own reasoning he can just inform them and move on, but in this case he wanted to stop reading his posts and lynch him.
Claimed bf was doing nothing else than tunneling him, see below what bf was doing otherwise.
boxerfred
leaning town
Posted his read list of 6 people other than ritoky
Asking koshi to post scumreads rather then townreads
Calls out JAT for doing what he himself was arguing against(saying who was calling who scum, instead of the reasoning behind it)
damdred
slight scumlean
Some activity but only asking what others think and this "I'm awake and caught up I'll post more after coffee but jat pretty sexy today I must admit, bf oozing that town ness." with no real followup
noonian
biggest scum read right now, at the moment would probably vote for him
Saying he will not care about this game even if he lives
Says if he was scum he would be playing like he is doing right now
"There are probably people who have put less effort than even me into this game. You might want to lynch them instead of me. " -- literally zero reads posted
Look at the train of thought in the first post, look at him trying to work out something that happened in the game, and then the followable train of thought when he's talking about other players This post is really good. marv is almost conf town in my mind. I read the first few posts of zyrre in the other game and the difference is day and night. The only thing is that the game is 2 and a half years old so it's not fresh meta, but it shows that Zyrre is capable of subtle reads. His garbage list post is even more garbage when we compare it to what he is capable of.
I commented earlier on a possible caveat or two. Does that adjust your expectations?
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Shennanies onto no vote?^^ xD
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On February 05 2016 21:31 nooniansoong wrote:
If I were trying to lynch scum, I'd vote zyrre.
But I'm sticking to my guns and pvoting.
Then why did you post this post:
On February 05 2016 20:54 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 20:13 Rels wrote:
OK I'm gone. Lynch list (not ordererd) is:
Palmar
Zyrre
Kush
Onegu
Chezinu Lots of lynchbait on your list.
You want to lynch the same people I do except you (duh) and Palmar (not a lynchbait). What is your thought process here ? "This guy wants to lytnch the same people than me but I will make a negative post about his lynch list". Explain ?
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On February 06 2016 04:11 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2016 04:05 disformation wrote:
like can anyone sell me the palmar lynch without referring to meta? I think the mentioned cases are strong enough without meta but what exactly is your problem with the meta part of it? One that probably no one gets, since I mentioned it a few times by now.
No. What I heard from you is that you liked what marv had to say about Palmar which is why we are lynching him. So I ask you what your problem with that is all of a sudden?
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On February 06 2016 04:15 disformation wrote:
Shennanies onto no vote?^^ xD
What's wrong with you? Read into Palmar/noonian and drop some reads.
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On February 06 2016 04:16 boxerfred wrote:What's wrong with you? Read into Palmar/noonian and drop some reads.
He already did, and he couldn't read Noon for shit prior tbf.
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