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On February 06 2016 03:52 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 03:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Can people in the policy lynch category or advocating policy lynches explain why they are opting for the policy lynch over Palmar? (Koshi excepted, since he already did).
Noon, having played in NSM18 and you tried to pull the same thing on Onegu, can you at least state where you'd put your vote or if I had to give you a hammer who you would hammer for a scum lynch? Koshi isn't policy lynching. You can lynch kush for policy or because this fits his scummeta better than his townmeta. Pure policy lynches would be Chezinu, Onegu and Moosy.
good point. I could easily be scum. I imagine Ill be easier to read d2 so you should probably let me slide until then.
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On February 06 2016 03:51 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2016 03:43 disformation wrote:On February 06 2016 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2016 03:36 disformation wrote:On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush. This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash. How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum? And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction? The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this. I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this. If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous. But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally. This. Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town? You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town. Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD No, we can 100 % see day2 who we want to lynch day2 and there won't be any stupid bargains like this. If you are suddenly so convinced then make a conclusive case on NM. [1] Says he doesn't like meta and that he tries to find other evidence for alignment.
[2] Makes meta case on Palmar saying Palmar could be scum. Based on games NM didn't even play in.
[3] Ignores meta evidence that say Palmar could be lazy town.
[4] Votes Palmar after Palmar has got a decent chunk of votes.
[5] Doesn't answer my questions but tries to deflect me by asking me about VA.
[1] Not scummy. [2] Not scummy. [3] Not sure what kind of evidence you are talking about or how NM "ignored" it. [4] Not scummy. [5] Needs a more detailed explanation. Yes. [1] is not AI alone. But combined with [2] it is. Why would he make a case he can not believe in. [4]: He could easily have voted earlier if he thinks Palmar is scum. Not leave his option open sitting on a list of four ppl. [5]: + Show Spoiler +On February 06 2016 02:57 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 02:50 disformation wrote:
And why didnt you vote Palmar before? Waiting for the thread consent? I started at 3am CET, I crashed somewhere between 8/8:30. This is day 1. And if you look at the votes, consolidation on day 1 is a mess. If you're town you want to consolidate. If I - or others - can come up with preferred lynches based on things I feel make them mafia, be it meta (yes it can be used properly, I didn't ignore your post), or be it lack of direction (see marv's last post), then I don't see what the problem is. People also had trouble understanding my previous arguments against VA, so I re-presented it ignoring myself (bias). I feel there's adequate cause for being scummy. That said, I want to ask you disformation, why you are not asking this same question of VA. He has said dick all prior to my "why Palmar could be mafia post". (Yes I realise I'm voting WITH him on Palmar, but that's besides the point, other townreads are doing so, and we can see based on the flip what is going on. I am confident in a red flip and then we can evaluate the context of how people got there.) Will look at some of Palmar's filter and try to come back with opinions on [3] again.
[1][2] Why would he do something so blatantly contradictory as mafia? What's the scum motivation? Nah, this is not scummy.
[4] So what? I often wait until the last minute to place my vote even if I voiced suspicions earlier. That's not scummy.
[5] I don't get it. This is just a disguised [4].
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On February 06 2016 03:55 boxerfred wrote:
also no idea about Palmar by the way, didn't even remotely look into it.
He's the leading wagon. I think you probably should.
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On February 06 2016 03:48 Koshi wrote:This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town.
???????????
To use an example from where I played in rayn's aborted invite game, he stopped playing at a given point and was shennanied onto during the weekend. Even in THAT game he was more opinionated and absolute.
Here he's played. He's actually played and there's material he can be held accountable for and most of that was Wed night/Thursday. The game started Wed night. We're now at Friday night. So the whole weekend business is out the window based on what he has posted. Based on what he's posted, the "shit as town" argument shouldn't apply here.
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Vote Count - Day 1
Palmar (4): marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage
nooniansoong (3): Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Rels, boxerfred
ritoky (1): boxerfred, Chezinu,
justanothertownie (1): Palmar
VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy
Onegu (1):, nooniansoong
Zyrre (1): darthfoley
NocturneMage (1),disformation disformation
Disformation (0): Chezinu,Chezinu
MoosyDoosy (0): nooniansoong
Not Voting (4): Damdred, Onegu, Zyrre, ritoky,
At this time, Palmar is slated to be lynched.
Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
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The only thing truly scummy about NM disform is how he is a huge hypocrite. He is constantly berating me/scumreading me for things and then ignores anything that would have to make him justify it. Really annoying playstyle that makes it impossible to read him.
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i think i migtbe a little too scummy to be scum.
sweet i'm not getting lynched anymore. i promise not to vote palmar to save myself though, if it should come to that.
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On February 06 2016 03:56 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 03:48 Koshi wrote:VE has been lynched 26 times, Vivax and Palmar have been lynched 24 times. This doesn't proof anything but something funny I saw in database. Just proof that Palmar is also shit as town. ??????????? To use an example from where I played in rayn's aborted invite game, he stopped playing at a given point and was shennanied onto during the weekend. Even in THAT game he was more opinionated and absolute. Here he's played. He's actually played and there's material he can be held accountable for and most of that was Wed night/Thursday. The game started Wed night. We're now at Friday night. So the whole weekend business is out the window based on what he has posted. Based on what he's posted, the "shit as town" argument shouldn't apply here.
So he played really good and then went afk and people lynched him?
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Palmar and Kush being the 2 wagons is very good for now.
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On February 06 2016 03:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 03:51 disformation wrote:On February 06 2016 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2016 03:43 disformation wrote:On February 06 2016 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2016 03:36 disformation wrote:On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush. This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash. How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum? And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction? The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this. I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this. If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous. But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally. This. Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town? You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town. Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD No, we can 100 % see day2 who we want to lynch day2 and there won't be any stupid bargains like this. If you are suddenly so convinced then make a conclusive case on NM. [1] Says he doesn't like meta and that he tries to find other evidence for alignment.
[2] Makes meta case on Palmar saying Palmar could be scum. Based on games NM didn't even play in.
[3] Ignores meta evidence that say Palmar could be lazy town.
[4] Votes Palmar after Palmar has got a decent chunk of votes.
[5] Doesn't answer my questions but tries to deflect me by asking me about VA.
[1] Not scummy. [2] Not scummy. [3] Not sure what kind of evidence you are talking about or how NM "ignored" it. [4] Not scummy. [5] Needs a more detailed explanation. Yes. [1] is not AI alone. But combined with [2] it is. Why would he make a case he can not believe in. [4]: He could easily have voted earlier if he thinks Palmar is scum. Not leave his option open sitting on a list of four ppl. [5]: + Show Spoiler +On February 06 2016 02:57 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 02:50 disformation wrote:
And why didnt you vote Palmar before? Waiting for the thread consent? I started at 3am CET, I crashed somewhere between 8/8:30. This is day 1. And if you look at the votes, consolidation on day 1 is a mess. If you're town you want to consolidate. If I - or others - can come up with preferred lynches based on things I feel make them mafia, be it meta (yes it can be used properly, I didn't ignore your post), or be it lack of direction (see marv's last post), then I don't see what the problem is. People also had trouble understanding my previous arguments against VA, so I re-presented it ignoring myself (bias). I feel there's adequate cause for being scummy. That said, I want to ask you disformation, why you are not asking this same question of VA. He has said dick all prior to my "why Palmar could be mafia post". (Yes I realise I'm voting WITH him on Palmar, but that's besides the point, other townreads are doing so, and we can see based on the flip what is going on. I am confident in a red flip and then we can evaluate the context of how people got there.) Will look at some of Palmar's filter and try to come back with opinions on [3] again. [1][2] Why would he do something so blatantly contradictory as mafia? What's the scum motivation? Nah, this is not scummy. [4] So what? I often wait until the last minute to place my vote even if I voiced suspicions earlier. That's not scummy. [5] I don't get it. This is just a disguised [4].
[1][2] He did so as scum in a previous game and got away with it.
Looking at Palmar's filters. Yeah, the DT filter looks better than here, but I also like his Outlaw filter more than this. Soo... I don't think this is good enough to lynch him D1 imo.
On the other hand I haven't got huge town vibes on him either.
Bit in a pickle. Maybe I should just stop being so fucking stubborn over this and sheep marv + damdy.
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A Palmar/kush/BF/?? team is actually sorta believable If im going to join in the pre-flip reads. But I am definitely not shenanny'ing onto kush if those are the options
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a kush/bf team would mean that outlaw was rerolled, how likely is that? given my interaction with kush and my vote on him just now, how could I bring my scum fellow in a potential wagon situation? rofl
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how do you associate kush and palmar with me?
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va probably mafia for this shit
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bleh please don't talk about associations when we can't even decide who the wagons are.
can't read noon/kush for shit tbh and have reservations about lynching palmar.
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lynch noon that's it. he did enough to not survive day 1.
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like can anyone sell me the palmar lynch without referring to meta?
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On February 06 2016 04:05 disformation wrote:
like can anyone sell me the palmar lynch without referring to meta?
Did you read marv's arguments against him?
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also i reviewed that va/nm thing and I come to the conclusion that my original thought (one of them being mafia) is bullshit. there's no indicator for that and I obviously followed disformation who had this thought first. funny enough, he had it from ritoky who's originally a scumread of mine so wow I should read more details.
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I got indoor soccer at 2100. But it will take a while after I played and I might only be around on phone depending on what we will do.
I am not against a Palmar lynch in theory. But I strongly suggest not lynching him.
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