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Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 31 2016 23:52 GMT
#1592
Alright, i literary have came up with nothing either new or productive. I am to busy day dreaming about star wars and GF.
I might do a Vote reasoning thingy again, as it helped me last time.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 31 2016 23:57 GMT
#1594
On February 01 2016 08:53 nooniansoong wrote:
did you like star wars

Overall it was good but it did had some questionable points/things in it.
You see i had to watch it for TL mafia bullishness because i am cohosting sky's Star wars flavored mafia game.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 00:09 GMT
#1595
actually What the hell am i even talking about with Vote reasoning Thingy. This is the time to look at who he interacted with and find scum off of that. Men, grab your fires, cannons on the right flank, Torches on the left.

Lets us filter Dive!
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 00:18 GMT
#1597
On January 28 2016 14:23 Ikidomari wrote:
Hi all, Sorry for being so inactive at the start, I've been real busy with life, and I've had a hell of a rough time catching up on the game, got a major headache trying to figure everything out. I'll try to be far more active from here on out, feel free to question me all you want, and I'll answer as quickly as possible.

Sorry for any weird formatting issues, the lack of direct quotes, and general rambly-ness of my post, I'm writing from a phone and having a hell of a time getting it all done.

READS with explanations (mostly):

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PepperMintTea
Never played forum, but has played in real-life / online, so at least somewhat experienced.
Points out a lot of flaws in people's arguments, times that they've said things that are weak / make little sense. Constantly asking for more information, where people got certain ideas, and asks hard-hitting questions. PMT is one of my top town reads, either that or very good mafia, and I'm being taken for a ride, but based on their lack of forum experience, I'd say PMT is just good town.


Tumbleweed
looks like this is his first game, or one of his first, went very pro-active early, maybe a bit over-aggressive on the scum calls, but started making more town reads later on. I don't know, comes off as bad town trying too hard, or bad mafia to me, i'm not experienced enough to tell the difference. If I had to give a solid answer, I'd say he's bad town who changed his mind a bit too often in an attempt to get reactions out of people, falling over himself trying to avoid being mis-lynched.

JesusIncarnate
Very few posts (I know, he still has more than I do)
Posts he has made haven't been very constructive at all. He's coming off as extremely arrogant, enough so that it's got to be some sort of act, because there's no way someone's going to say "I am a Mafia Grandmaster", "speak to me with respect, I deserve it, i am above you" unless they're putting it on, and I mean, look at that name.
Only constructive information he's given to town is calling out Eden for supposedly falling for a simple strat.
My read is that jesus is an unhelpful town, who has annoying posts to read- 'sick meme' 'residentsleeper'
Jesus, why are you putting such a big target on your back for someone to attack you? what do you gain?

Alur
Seems like good town to me. He's intent on solving the game, asks questions, answers questions asked of him, Isn't going crazy trying to turn people on one another, or attacking anyone too hard.
He seems to be frustrated at my lack of posting, understandable, I would be too. Sorry about that.
I like Alurs posts, He's towney, he's not obnoxious, he doesn't seem like he's putting on any sort of act. He also posted "Gonna play some dota or cs to relax". You KNOW someone's taking the game seriously when they swap to dota of all games to chill out.

Kuragari
Reationary to other people's posts, hasn't posted much in the way of solving the game, just spoke to other players.
He did say he wouldn't go into reads until later in the first day, but for someone with quite a few posts, not much has been said.
Not enough information on the guy to make a proper judgement. Slightly scummy, not enough to vote on.

darthfoley
Very town, posted a lot of constructive things, good attitude. I'm on a phone so it's hard to quote everything I want to touch on, but my number 1 town spot goes to this guy. He posts a lot and is vocal about his reads, and backs them up with other posts. I think he'll be useful to town later on, and if we have a doctor, you should consider putting this guy on your save list.

nooniansoong
My read is good-town, asks some good questions, spots inconsistencies, doesn't hop on other people's scum reads and back them up, tries to dissect them and point out any flaws, good for getting more information.

Trfel
Scum read, has a whole lot of posts just asking questions without contributing any information, a whole lot of words with not much to say.
Jumped on the voting for tumbleweed bandwagon simply because it's embarrassing the newbies caught tumble, and not Trfel himself? (Am I missing something here?)
My biggest reason for thinking Trfel is scum is #607 where he says he's trying very hard not to direct the thread, then proceeds to direct the hell out of the thread dissecting tumbleweed's filter, this results in tumbleweed being the current lynch target.
Maybe this is a sick town play and we're going to get rid of mafia on the first night, but I think, judging from his experience, Trfel is an experienced mafia player, and is scum trying to get a townie lynched on day 1.

from here on out my posts are going to be shorter, I'm getting a headache going over everything, this is my own fault for being so inactive at the start, there's so much content to wrap my head around.

Onegu
Seems scummy, lots of short very defensive answers, "Big post coming from me" was actually just a bunch of short reactions to other people's posts.
that being said, I disagree with several of his reads, especially Tea being mafia. that being said I do agree with his Trfel read.
I don't think he's scum enough to vote, but definitely enough to keep my eye on.

_MexicanAlien
Comes off as a noob at the start. I don't think he's scum, but he's not being very helpful to town, either. I disagree with his reads.

Eden
Seems town, nice long posts, decent contribution

Shapelog
Heck, man you've posted so much. Chill out a bit, think before you post. A lot of your posts are off-topic and it's not too helpful. I'm reading you as town for now but I'm going to keep a close eye on you from now on.


OKAY SO
My top 3 for each
Scum: Onegu, JesusIncarnate, Tfel
Town: PMT, Darth, Alur
Keep a close eye on: Shape, Tumble, Kuragari

I'm going to refrain from voting for at least a little while, if I even vote at all. + Show Spoiler +
we are allowed to abstain from voting, right?


For now, please feel free to AMA, call me out, whatever. I'll be reading the thread a lot for at least the next few hours.

LOL THE BOLDED JUST SHOWED THAT HE READ THE OP. LAWL.
anyways back to filter diving
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 00:18 GMT
#1598
Nvm i thought he was talking about a no lynch
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 00:46 GMT
#1599
Darth are u still here?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 01:18 GMT
#1607
Lol i am working on my own thing for this too haha. Great minds think a like. (I am also doing a behavior analyzes tomorrow on Ikido and who his behavior could of been influence by. You are up to this too, but i am training to be a Physic in RL so i know more to look for. But you can do it took, and compare and contrast blah blah blah.)
+ Show Spoiler +
Good ahead and make fun of the person who is going to be a psychologist/Traist who sucks at reading people. Lawl.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 01:23 GMT
#1609
I am going to spoil this part of my post
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"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 01:31 GMT
#1612
PROFESSOR SHAPELOG'S UNDERSTANDING OF THE DISSECTING OF IKIDO FILTER

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So read progression From Ikido is as follows (and only read progression. Tomorrow will do more about Ikido and filter and "OMG GUYS I FOUND THE 2 OTHER SCUMS OMG OMG OMG" shit)
My top 3 for each
Scum: Onegu, JesusIncarnate, Tfel
Town: PMT, Darth, Alur
Keep a close eye on: Shape, Tumble, Kuragari

Votes jesus
I have a stronger scum read for Trfel than I do for Onegu.

So list is

Mafia: Jesus(/S2S), Trofl, Onegu
Town: PMT, Darth, Alur
Eye on: Shapelog, Tumble, Kuragari

Leans are:
slight Scum/on the border of null and scum, _MexcianAlien,
Town, kush, Eden.

Weird that most people in the top 3 of everything list has died/been confirmed town (minus me, but i am town so suck it) Prob. a weird fate thing.

Now lets talk about the leans on people.

Lets run the hypertheocial situation that Eden (I am bringing her up because with Ikido flipping scum, she is my first suspect with being scum with him) is actually scum with ikido. I could totally see a newbie putting there scum partner off the top 3 list, even thought PMT made it on. Also his read on Eden is short so maybe scum pressured to find reasoning to town read his partner?

A lot of that though is thinking though the mind of a newbie though, which is a dangerous thing to do. Though, normally, it make sense 9/10 times (to me). Maybe i am just too out of the box though (ever played in bronze/sliver leduge in Sc2 b/4)

A course, this also means that Kush could also be in the exactly the same boat. A little less though since his read on kush was a bit better though. Not out of the realm of possibility.

Maybe i am just nuts and the above people are town.

And Mex, His scum/null lean on Mex was so bad.
_MexicanAlien
Comes off as a noob at the start. I don't think he's scum, but he's not being very helpful to town, either. I disagree with his reads.

Mex did not came off as a noob at the start, instead i think he was pretty darn good. He obv. knows that town needs a plan of action, and was not afraid to adment it. Plus the, idk about him being scum, be he is useless, is also BS. Especially since he scum read jesus for the same thing.


JesusIncarnate
Very few posts (I know, he still has more than I do)
Posts he has made haven't been very constructive at all. He's coming off as extremely arrogant, enough so that it's got to be some sort of act, because there's no way someone's going to say "I am a Mafia Grandmaster", "speak to me with respect, I deserve it, i am above you" unless they're putting it on, and I mean, look at that name.
Only constructive information he's given to town is calling out Eden for supposedly falling for a simple strat.
My read is that jesus is an unhelpful town, who has annoying posts to read- 'sick meme' 'residentsleeper'
Jesus, why are you putting such a big target on your back for someone to attack you? what do you gain?

On January 28 2016 15:38 Ikidomari wrote:
I should clarify. Order of events is
1. I start writing my first long post
2. darth writes his case against jesus
3. I read darth's case [bold] after [/bold] writing my part on jesus
4. I post
5. I realize I have to vote
6. I vote for my least favorite person in the game so far- Jesus has contributed very little, his attitude annoys me, other players have a case against him too.

that last point about other players having a case against him is important to me, I don't want to mis-lynch someone, in the off chance that it's a close vote, and my vote tips the scales.

Here's my last point in defense for now. If I was mafia, I'm most afraid of Eden and Darth, and people in the thread know that.
If I survive being lynched today, who dies in the night will pretty much confirm whether or not I'm mafia / town, and I'm an easy vote for day 2.

Well the red explains the NK on alur i guess. At least we know a little bit more about why Alur died other then being a strong town player.

But this is important since we can possible conclude opinions/thoughts in the scum Qt, therefore understanding more about the scum team in general.

Since Ikido actually did extactally just that in the end, we can assume that at least 1 other scum member on his team did so also. This is know as associative behavior (much like associate's scum reads), while i doubt Ikido had much to do with his teams plays (due to his very submissive behavior) we can assume that this thought process was either:
Given to him by a scum team mate and therefore was that members logic for lynch. Meaning that the scum team as at least one experienced player. Which means we should look at experience players that changed votes last min, or just voted for a off wagon all together. I feel this one is most likely the case, as Ikido submissiveness would of gone along with a more experience player.
Or,
Was rubbed off on a another, submissive, newbie scum mate, meaning we should look at people who have voted off the beaten path, changed their votes last minute or for lack luster reasons, and is also a newbie. A course this is difficult since jesus( a newbie) did not vote.
(this is very unlikely considering how the noobies left, tumbledore, jesus/S2S, and PMT, MA, are very far from submissive.)
I will look into this tomorrow. If you guys want to do it so be it, but i know more for what to look for.

More and more talk about what Ikido would do as scum. Even further elaboration on why he and darth/eden can not be a scum team. Will include in my behavior annalist post tomorrow.

On January 29 2016 00:57 Ikidomari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 00:49 _MexicanAlien wrote:
On January 29 2016 00:31 Ikidomari wrote:
On January 29 2016 00:26 _MexicanAlien wrote:
You might want to show how darthfoley and eden1982 were not bailing you out or giving you backdoors. if you guys were a scum team you would ignore this point.


Sure, Here's why we aren't a scum team. If I was mafia, I fucked up bad, real bad. What I did was a horrendous play for mafia, and if eden and darth were my teammates, if they had two brain cells to rub together they'd immediately throw me under the bus and distance themselves from me, not try and rescue me. Sure, they'd be playing from behind 1 man down, but it's a far better option than losing the game then and there.

Put yourself in Mafia's shoes, if your ally shits the bed, do you help him clean it up, getting dirty in the process, or do you pretend you don't know the guy?


Haha. Turns out I was WIFOMing you. Mafia would never ignore the accusation in question+ Show Spoiler +
Shape log says darthfoley and eden1892 gave Ikidomari a back door or of the situation. Seeing as Darth and eden1892 completely dropped all accusation almost immediately, this is not as wild a point as it seems.
, because if they were shown to have ignored it they would be nailed.

A Mafia would try to bail out scummates from being associated with himself, like you just did. Or tried to do

Also think of it this way. If darthfoley and eden1892 were successful, you would get off scot-free. No one would suspect you. High- risk, high reward.


Let's take this a step further then. In the hypothetical situation where I'm mafia:

either Eden or Darth aren't my Teammates, I've been caught as obvious scum. My best play to help my team at this point is to put a strong townie under suspicion. I "fall" for your obvious WIFOM, and either A) You believe my response and drop suspicion on me, or B) "you got me", and you now suspect a good town to be mafia.

Don't tell me how WIFOM works, then expect me to immediately fall for it jesus. I made a bad play in my first ever game, but I'm not a moron.

As to why I responded, Either I ignore the post, other people read your "if you don't respond to this you're scum", and conclude that I am, indeed scum
If I do reply you pull this WIFOM shit on me, and I at least have a chance to retort it.

If I'm still alive come tomorrow I'm going to be riding you hard

MA becomes a scum lean/ person for Ikido now. (he did not live up to pushing MA)

On January 29 2016 01:00 Ikidomari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 00:48 Kuragari42 wrote:
On January 28 2016 15:38 Ikidomari wrote:
Here's my last point in defense for now. If I was mafia, I'm most afraid of Eden and Darth, and people in the thread know that.
If I survive being lynched today, who dies in the night will pretty much confirm whether or not I'm mafia / town, and I'm an easy vote for day 2.


But.. I think that any mafia would consider NK'ing Eden, probably Darth as well. This really has little indication of your alignment.

Not to mention that the doc in this game might change up the NK a bit.


I was hoping to be the first one to call you out on Seeming certain there's a doctor in the game, when we don't know that, but I got pissed off at mexican's post and missed my chance, still. Maybe you mistyped or your english is bad, or this is bait to get a stupid mafia to respond and say "Hey how do you know there's a doctor", instantly redflagging them.

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On January 29 2016 00:41 Eden1892 wrote:
I am far too easily swayed in these games. Was kind of hoping one of the vet players would unambiguously say that my Iki case was good or bad, but I guess I can't bank on always having somebody to get in my ear and tell me I'm playing badly. lol

I think I'm just gonna vote for Iki after all. I don't think I want Trfel to go today. Still not feeling this Jesus train -- still too many people on him for things that don't make him mafia to make me comfortable with it.

Really nothing changed to make me think that Iki couldn't be mafia. Might be letting him off the hook too easily, idk. I reread my case and I feel like Iki didn't really rebut what I was saying, so probably I should just lynch him.

##VOTE: Ikidomari

I feel like Onegu also hasn't done anything in a hot minute. That's probably a good reason to kill him too.


I don't really have time before sleep to put together a proper defence, and the vote is in 5 hours, so I guess I'll go to bed and wake up to find out if I'm still in the game or not. I hope you change your mind, but town or mafia, logically speaking I'm a good day 1 kill. Good luck.


Kind of gives credit to Kura for a town bait play. Suggests that most of Ikido's watch for list is actually towns that he is trying to find scum/town reasons to discredit or credit
That list is Me, Tumble, and Kura. (A course we can not say that no one on this list is auto- town. no, in fact, this list should really be a key factor point at looking into the mind of Ikido.)

After this nothing major changes in his reads. Says Noon/Kush is prob more townie to him. And that he agrees with every single case on Jesus.

TLDR:
+ Show Spoiler +
Further points in the morning
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 01:31 GMT
#1613
Good night mates.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 13:01 GMT
#1712
On February 01 2016 10:45 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 10:43 nooniansoong wrote:
@shape.
yup all his town reads are turning up to be town.
so all his scumreads are probably scum.


that includes you lol

idk if you were talking to me or kush.... But he said i was town that needed to be watched. And i highly doubt that he put his entire scum team in his top scum picks.

Will explain later today.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 13:05 GMT
#1713
On February 01 2016 12:22 darthfoley wrote:
Doesn't it make sense that a newbie mafia member wouldn't know how to properly "read" their scum teammates, lending them more likely to be in the "keep a close eye on"/ null read category?

That would be Tumblewood, Shapelog, and PMT

Think we should also figure out who Ikidomari seemed allergic to in the thread. Who didn't he talk to directly, or talk much about indirectly? Which of his reads seem forced? I will look into this myself, but I want to see what others think.


Tumble, jesus, comes into my brain without actually looking at his filter. Prob. a bunch of people tbh
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 13:08 GMT
#1714
On February 01 2016 12:52 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 12:49 Eden1892 wrote:
Don't do what? Rid the thread of a useless, toxic player?

I knowi can't be objective with this, but getting rid ofa player because he's useless is alwaysa bad idea, unless you have scumread on him/her.

Look at Shapelog. He's still in. Why have you not gotten rid of him? He's gotten slightly better since the beginning but still

Do not use me as your scapegoat. Unless you play the Yu-gi-oh spell card Scapegoat.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 13:12 GMT
#1715
[QUOTE]On February 01 2016 13:06 darthfoley wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 01 2016 12:17 darthfoley wrote:
Just want to summarize publicly Ikidomari's two read posts

First read post


Town:
darthfoley
Alur
PMT

Scum:
Onegu
JesusIncarnate
Trfel

Need to look at closer (edited this in, was the post below said quoted post):
Shapelog
Tumbelwood
Kuragari

Last read post

Town:
Alur
Kuragari
(already dead)
Darthfoley
MexicanAlien
Eden
Tumblewood

Null/Doesn't give a read:
PMT
Shapelog (says he's town for now, look at him very closely)


Scum
Onegu
Trfel
Kush
JesusIncarnate

[/QUOTE]

@Trfel and others. I would prefer we start playing the association game, at least a little bit. People have been scolded for that earlier, but I don't think I've seen enough discussion regarding who Ikidomari town/scum read and when now that we've actually flipped scum.

I also will do my research, but I think the best way to find remaining scum and do a thorough look at his filter, focusing on who Ikidomari seems 100% in disagreement with, or who he does not directly interact with. When I was mafia last game with kush, I had no idea how to naturally interact with him in the thread, and as a result my filter mentioning him was very slim. I find it likely that Ikidomari faced similar difficulties[
/QUOTE]
Started this last night. Trying to profile Ikido is very easy considering his posts. Trying to connect it is going to take some time from me.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 13:13 GMT
#1716
On February 01 2016 13:16 darthfoley wrote:
Did we ever ever a real discussion why Alur was killed and not me, or maybe even Eden? I was townread probably harder than Alur at the time, so the only thing I can think of is that

1) his reads were better than mine
2) mafia thought he was blue
3) both

I can't remember if we just accepted his death as obvi NK, because it surprised me slightly.

4) He was a possible threat to the scum team.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 13:23 GMT
#1717
On February 01 2016 15:12 Eden1892 wrote:
I think my argument for Tumblewood is several orders of magnitude more reasonable, and several other players suspected Tumblewood as well. Inclined to take a wisdom-of-the-crowd approach, especially since I'd be lying if I said my case on kush is any good. It's the best worst case I've ever written, and while I 100% stand by it, I know the smart play is to get Tumblewood first, so I think we should.

Agreed. Plus, the associative behavior. And the fact that tumble was on the same wagon Ikido day 1 Etc.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 13:26 GMT
#1718
On February 01 2016 21:09 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Hey guys I might not be around for the night end.

I think the mafia is:
Eden1892
Trfel

Scum lean:
scott31733
Tumblewood

Town:
darthfoley
Shapelog

Unknown: nooniansoong

Didn't you call me scum or certain a page or two ago? Also Why am i more town the Darth according to this list? (might be you just post the Town list out of order or top to bottom.)
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 13:59 GMT
#1719
Also i am going to be here thoughtout the night phase. Just working on college work and my associative behavior case.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 14:11 GMT
#1721
On February 01 2016 23:06 darthfoley wrote:
Anyone disagree with a Tumblewood lynch today?

Besides Tumblewood of course

No, in fact his behavior and overall scummyness con-asides with Ikido's.
More on behavior later. (I have to profile everyone except you, Dead folk, and maybe me. I haven't decided if i should be the one who profiles me. As i know more about me in general then anyone in the thread. Also because i would be bias.)
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 01 2016 14:13 GMT
#1722
In fact darthfy, since you are confirmed townie. If you got time, I much rather you profile me. Since you are a confirmed townie, and I trust you more than any one else who might do it.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
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