Newbie Student Mafia XVIII - Page 5

On December 31 2015 06:52 scott31337 wrote:
Giygas ain't happening bud, so.

On December 31 2015 07:06 NocturneMage wrote:
I need to reassess everyone on the scott wagon it looks like. Regarding Irish, honestly, nothing is jumping out right now, and Irish's continued reasoning for scumming Scott, honestly I can't argue that because Irish did have a reason to town Onegu even though I'm not sure I fully agreed with it, I don't see that it could make him scum.

The early voting makes him more townie and I didn't get a chance to fully look through Noon today which was his other willing vote. I know someone pinged me out earlier for putting Noon in the lynch list but that was because he was going after KMatt for white knighting or something and then didn't follow up at the time I looked at him.

I am curious to see where people are calling Irish tryhard scum. He really believed in the case on Scott.

On December 29 2015 09:23 NocturneMage wrote:


Alright so starting off, I'm not sure I agree with this read and some of this boils down to the definition of anti-town.



The use of "anti-town" here could be coming from either alignment, when anti-town is considered to mean not just scummy, but possibly also from town not acting in the best interest of town. Any VT (when referencing GB's comment) saying "I wish I was blue" can be considered anti-town because one can make the argument that claiming VT narrows down the field for mafia to find who the blue(s) are. So this can be considered anti-town (not in the best interest) even if the comment is coming from town. To this end, and seeing that Irishbound is an experienced mafia player, it's safe to say this comment should not have warranted the town read that he gave him. To me, this read should have been null at best, as I feel a comment like this could come from either alignment.

On this alone, that's a scumlean, but I'll continue through the rest of the thread.

On December 31 2015 23:17 nooniansoong wrote:
@GB if you think the scumslip is a legitimate why do you have a weak townread on shape?

On December 31 2015 23:45 nooniansoong wrote:
GB where did he say "then shape is mafia too"
he said he doesn't read shape. Do you think he's lying? I can understand him not reading shape.

ONEGU is shape mafia too due to the scumslip?

On December 31 2015 23:55 nooniansoong wrote:
ok gb i found it. he says "then shape scumslipped too" but he doesn't say if he thinks shape is mafia or not.

On January 01 2016 00:11 nooniansoong wrote:


I haven't smoked weed for several months now. My job drug tests so I had to quit. Weed is magical but it is also very addictive for me. In some ways I'm glad I stopped, but I still miss it. Now I just drink a lot instead.

Shape is known to spam, so he could have chosen to ignore shape before reading his first posts.
Although I think a more townie approach would be to read shape until a townread could be formed, and only then start ignoring him.

I am interested in how Onegu clarifies his feelings towards Shape, given the scumslip.

On January 01 2016 02:01 Onegu wrote:
also shape wasnt talking about me

On January 01 2016 02:01 Onegu wrote:
also shape wasnt talking about me

On January 01 2016 13:33 Shapelog wrote:


Page 28.

This is either a big ass mafia slip (which btw, mderg copied his scum slip from me! look at the filter its their.) Or one huge town tell

On January 02 2016 15:09 Kmatt wrote:
Alright this time for real. Let me address some of the concerns following my last-second vote switch



Prior to Wednesday morning I was still undecided. However that morning I re-read the filter again and saw some stuff I didn't like.

Firstly, the townread on Irish, while later found to be true, didn't have any real ground to it. Irish makes a townread on Kush that he himself says is weak (from a single day 1 post mind you).


So he thinks the single opening post was "sincere", even though Irish even doubted his own credibility. Looks to me like he just gave that out at the first person he could read just so he could have a townread for everyone to see. The he just fullquotes Irish's next post to say he agrees and nothing else.



Then another townread on Shapelog for no explained reason.


And his explanation for that one is...



So someone's active in the thread on the first day. Groundbreaking analysis right here folks. Just like with Irish he declares the guy town out of the blue and follows up with "evidence" with made-up context.

Then comes the scumread on me. Oh, now he's digging deep, ready to contribute to the most important discussion in the thread at the moment. Let's see what thread contributions he has with his declared lynch target.



k

Well just like with his other reads he pulls that from seemingly nowhere. At least everyone can see he's a real scumhunter, throwing out the dangerous vote! Stay tuned for the full scoop.



Drumroll please...



So still nothing. Note that now he's actually getting other people in the thread involved in this "discussion" about nothing.



Shapelog literally handed you the soapbox to voice your actual case that you actually have for everyone to hear and examine. Instead you turn the question back for him. Why would you need someone else to discuss this read? You already have one (or so we're told)!





So how many posts is he going to use before he starts contributing to the thread. He posted reads, asked questions with no real follow-up or conclusions, and now wants other people to discuss a case he himself refuses to acknowledge. Imagine if every post I quoted so far was never posted. How much information would we have missed? How much further from winning would we be? Oh right nowhere because he's not actually contributing anything.

Surely he's not just making these posts to clog the thread and bait responses, right? That's so obviously scum behavior, so clearly



No, that's actually exactly what he's doing. K.

Moving on



When did making early reads become a problem? For some reason you're suddenly hesitant to call Scott Mafia, even though NM never actually accused him of scum, just wanted to pressure him. But we'll come back to that.



Alright so now you're threatening a lynch based on the fact that you have opposing reads. And by "reads", I mean you called Kush 'town'. Note that posts like this still aren't developing any claims, just showing off that he's totally scumhunting for real guys. At least he's become self-aware, that's good, right?



So still no info other than that Scott isn't a lynch target. He just claimed that he was null (and therefore possibly scum) but now Scott is off the board. Of course there's no actual analysis or anything, just look at the shiny claim.



Alright almost 19 hours later he finally has a reason for his vote. I'm indecisive on my read towards him and therefore am scum. Now while I don't agree with his logic (if I were scum I wouldn't have to doubt my reasons for wanting him dead, since I'd know he's a kill target anyway I don't even need a valid "reason". Sound familiar?), at least he finally posts something marginally substantial. He then uses five more posts to explain the same point that indecisiveness=scum.



Oh look two more scumreads! Again, no content, no explanation, just "hey these guys are scum". He's practically got this entire game figured out by now. At least he shares that much insight with us.

Then TheCow decides to play and starts asking questions to garner information to analyze and develop a case. What does our hero do?

+ Show Spoiler +

Oh an image macro. Information and analysis are for nerds anyway.

Now we go back to the Onegu scumread. If you can even call it that.



So he's meta-gaming from that one time Onegu made a similar post while being Mafia. Leak-proof case right here.

Now TheCow comes back to share his ideas with the thread. How will GB contribute to finding answers?



What compels you to hit "Post"? What could we possibly gain from this? At least Shapelog's spam was kind of funny, this is just stupid. Again, TheCow is trying to figure out the game, you try to be an epic trole.



Alright time for a shot at redemption. Let's see GB post his case to help further figure out the game. All he has to do is not deflect, ignore, or shitpost...



God damn it.



U wot m8. When the hell did I become town again? I know you have no standards but come on.

As for myself I'm going to explain the point raised against me.

My read onto GiygaS was kind of BS. I was getting flak (mostly from GB) for being indecisive and not presenting solid reads. I understand that doesn't help the game so I had to take a shot at something. I didn't have any solid scumreads (was reconsidering GB at the time of the GiygaS vote), so I decided to turn my attention to my least favorite AFK player. No I couldn't defend my scumread on GiygaS but I was being pressured to make a call so I made one. As for why I switched to GB, see above. If I didn't mention it already, I had work that day and wouldn't be back in time before the 5:00pm window closed, so I wouldn't get to make this wall of text. Without presenting my reasoning I didn't have a reason to expect anyone else to follow me, but I'd rather make my vote count towards something more important than my forced GiygaS read.

Now comes GB's wall of text. Have a look at this gem



Once again Scott is a no-lynch for now a poorly-founded meta reason. Any grievances people had against him written off as Scott doing it as town in other games. The good part comes up next.



Who was it that raised a fuss because I was being "wishy-washy"? Suddenly in spite of all my heinous crimes (worthy of an insta-vote, mind you), suddenly Kush convinced him that my behavior actually makes me town (when did this even happen?) but now I'm almost scum again. Maybe I'd understand this train of thought better if he posted something of substance every now and again. But then again, that would take away time from posting silly dog pictures.



Now he's back on me again because my vote on him was unfounded and that I wasn't hard committing to GiygaS.



Spoiler alert: He won't

Skipping over some posts where he argues about wanting to lynch me when no one else jumps on his wagon.

Now he defends Scott a third time. And by "defends", I mean he repeats his empty meta-case and swears to protect Scott.



So with tensions running high and the vote drawing near...





And he's shitposting again.

And now for the killing blow towards any faith I had left in this guy



You wot m8?

After so adamantly asserting that I'm scum and defending Scott's town status (based on some meta read) since day one, you completely flip the boat because you don't like how he's voting.

So why am I telling you all of this?

A townie has no reason to shitpost past the opening banter. GB repeatedly shitposts throughout the thread.
A townie has no reason to avoid posting his own cases when prompted. GB deflects questions towards his reads twice now.
A townie has no reason to derail someone else's analysis and arguments that could help solve the game. GB attempts to derail discussion and arguments multiple times while contributing nothing to said discussion.
A townie with no information about the other players would have no reason to vehemently defend Scott's innocence without a case and then completely throw him under the bus at the last second. You know the rest

And most of all

A townie wouldn't make reads about players with virtually nothing to back them up, but have no hesitation posting them for everyone to see. Every read should be in support or against a lynch vote. Almost none of GBs reads contribute towards that goal.

Unless of course GB had a reason to convince the thread that he's scumhunting without actually helping solve the game.
That reason being the GB is a mafia player. If I'm not being clear or commital enough here:

##vote GlowingBear

I'm off to bed. I'll respond with what I can in the morning.

On January 02 2016 23:52 Onegu wrote:
BWahahahaha I am a 30 YO with the mind of a 12 YO.

GlowingBear = BlowingGear

You want to blow my gear GB?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

On January 03 2016 00:37 NocturneMage wrote:
Catching up on the rest of the thread, though I just read through that wall of text, my god that was painful. I disagree with the summary comment from GigyaS because that was anything but. I know people solely summarising is generally a scummy tactic, but he is providing interpretations.

I'm looking most specifically at how KMatt portrayed some of GB's attacks on him. Some of his context IS off compared to the way a lot of us are seeing things, but I wouldn't expect a newbie to understand what reaction tests are for instance.

I'm also going to say newb town on that.

On January 03 2016 00:50 Onegu wrote:
GB not deciding to defend himself just saying it is a town case from kmatt is really telling.

And yes I will be tunneled on to fword dude and GB until they are dead, I am dead or it is lylo then I will reevaluate in lylo. Tunnel for now.