TL Mafia LXXIII: The Nutcracker

On December 14 2015 08:01 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey guys! Let's lynch some scum and here how we should do it:
Step 1: Find the scum through interactions
Step 2: Lynch the scum
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: Profit.
Any questions or comments?

On December 14 2015 08:36 Shapelog wrote:


Oh yeah i just saw his post count lol.
makes me wonder.



Must admit is a bit weird to out yourself as a Miller already. Could be scum posing as Miller or Really is Miller who find out day. And if we really want to get next level we could say a scum team of LS/Damdred could be possible? I mean its a bit far fetch right now but.......think about it. LS building town cred by pointing out the elephant in the room. Which could be his mafia partner? But not pushing him hard enough (or for that matter seriously enough) to actually draw big attention to Damdred?

Then the two follow up posts kinda fits this like a glove. Idk I take note of it being possible and move on.

On December 14 2015 08:09 Koshi wrote:
I ll keep my filter low this game. Just going to focus on cases and finding mafia.
Not making excuses but my game might be trash.
We will see. But I will not be buddied.

disclaimer: don't expect too much though. Will probably still be pretty low content stuff.

On December 14 2015 08:41 Koshi wrote:

Because he is typing nonsense?

On December 14 2015 08:50 Koshi wrote:
Another fun fact:
I actually wanted to roll mafia this game.

On December 14 2015 09:02 Koshi wrote:

No real reason. I just want to play more in the shades this game. Hopefully, not scummy though.
It will be a challenge.

Or will it?

On December 14 2015 09:48 Damdred wrote:
It's honestly be the most helpful to everyone if you basically ignored koshi for the first 24 and see what kind of smart things he says and then make a decision going into,the lynch. If you keep badgering him about low posting you will just have a horrendous amount of non information.

Tt I think ls is town should I get my head checked?

On December 14 2015 09:51 Sukrit wrote:




Man I am finding everything terrible. Koshi is best read by his day one. Like this post is also terrible.


Koshi, Damdred scum team.

On December 14 2015 11:52 Sukrit wrote:
Maybe

On December 14 2015 12:19 Sukrit wrote:
I am Palmar and claiming mafia...

On December 14 2015 14:01 kushm4sta wrote:
hello dear friends. I was not expecting this game to start so quickly. The number of potential signups made me think this was a large game and that it would start nearer to christmas.

Should I ask for replacement? hmm no I think I would rather just piss everyone off with my minimal activity.

I'm going to placeholder on ritoky because i see his name up there and I recall him posting pics of miley cyrus.

On December 14 2015 14:13 GiygaS wrote:
Just getting in, question for Dam. Why did you make that post claiming Miller?

On December 14 2015 14:29 GiygaS wrote:


Koshi then immediately back tracked by saying that his posts were going to be low content and possibly trash. How is his interpretation of that wrong?

And no, I only followed/read Haunted Mansion. But I figured Koshi's town meta would be more like that since everyone else jumped on his post about only lower activity.

On December 15 2015 03:11 GiygaS wrote:
tt since you're here and it doesn't take much analysis to figure out your own thoughts, could you tell us the reason for the questions you were making?

Sidenote: since everyone will inevitably do so by end of game, just call me giggles

On December 15 2015 05:21 GiygaS wrote:
What about the question about shape? (you wanted my thoughts on him in particular for some reason)

On December 15 2015 22:33 Rels wrote:

What do you think of giygas ?

On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote:
too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me.

shape is town
kush is probably town
not interested in lynching koshi
not interested in lynching damdred
not interested in lynching rels
no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment
tt is probably mafia
gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote
gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit
every1 else is nai or unremarkable

##vote: glowingbear

i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia.

On December 15 2015 02:58 GiygaS wrote:
Thanks for NAI help.



This is only true if I was that focused on Damdred in the first place. The first was only because I was initially confused why he posted the miller claim. The second was because I just didn't agree with his reasoning and wanted to point it out, it wasn't because I had a scum read on him.

I'll reread tt filter and see, but all I have is null or town reads on everyone, except a tiny lean on Koshi from meta that I haven't even experienced.

On December 15 2015 04:09 GiygaS wrote:
Woops forgot vote. I'll add I have a town read on ritoky as well since his posts have been short but decently high quality.

##Vote ticktock

On December 15 2015 06:48 GiygaS wrote:
##Unvote tictock

He's swapped back to null for me, will look over more when I get home from studying.

On December 15 2015 10:38 GiygaS wrote:
Home from studying. Since I'm in the note-taking mood I'm going to go through the thread again writing in a notebook to organize my thoughts a bit. I'll keep looking at the newer posts though so I'll be around. So far have null or town reads on everybody, but hoping to change that within the next 2-ish hours.

On December 15 2015 14:36 GiygaS wrote:
Finished reading through and writing general notes. Going to go through filters and hang around still. Current scum reads are on tt (again, I really don't like that list of townread retraction with NAI stuff) and shape (holy shit that random asslist in to weird sukrit fos). Might get some more/less post-filters, but we'll see.

For the record, my name has been spelled 9 different ways, so that's pretty neat. Also, these posts :D

On December 16 2015 02:39 Koshi wrote:
At this point Onegu is simply mafia. I do not think he can be this fucking bad.

That is a read that will never change.

fucking 100% mafia. I towntelled pretty much 100% atm and he still is going on about how I am mafia. Pretty insane.

Even if I am not yet 100% town. Going on about how I am mafia when there are WAY more possible candidates out there is just unbelievable unlikely.

Seriously? I didn't react enough because I already knew it was Onegu???????????????????

And I somehow wanted to prevent people to know it was Onegu because if it was Onegu people would believe his read on me and think I am truly mafia?


This is too fucking stupid even for Onegu. He is mafia.

##unvote
##vote Onegu


Now I am pretty sure TT is also mafia btw, and somehow I think he should be lynched. But if anybody believes the idiocy that Onegu just wrote there.....


Holy fuck.


This can only come from mafia. Seriously. What a fucking far fetched case.


This is really only possible coming from Mafia.


Town is simply not that retarded.

On December 16 2015 02:40 Shapelog wrote:
Btw Sukrits post about me and Scum Team QT made me remember my far fetch theory about Ritoky.

Fair fetch Theroy: (Spoilers)
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 16 2015 03:00 Koshi wrote:
Fuck that shit. I am going to calm down and read. I really think Onegu should just be lynched for being the dumbest fucker alive who appears to also be mafia but seriously.

I felt really good about my TT, GB, Kush and Rels list earlier.

On December 16 2015 03:29 Shapelog wrote:
I love how i decided to go up against everyone who is saying I am town.

On December 16 2015 03:45 Sukrit wrote:



Nope one of us die today. It will be me and I am 1000000000000000000000000% fucking ok with that because you give me a headache. I cant believe I used to enjoy playing with you.

On December 16 2015 04:20 Vivax wrote:
I have no brain power for this game today,ill sheep Koshi

On December 16 2015 05:20 Rels wrote:
I think Damdred is scum.

Damdred is not invested in the game, which is already a big indicator.
Damdred usually plays D1 by finding townreads, and lynching the one not in his town list. Here I have the distinct impression he tried to replicate that but failed. He has a couple of easy townreads that are not mostly based on nothing:




His only posts that are a little big are about how to read Koshi, which is something completely unrelated to scumhunting:



Finally, there is no list post that Damdred uses for finding scums by POE with his townreads, especially on D1. For comparaison, here are the kind of posts I expected from Damdred (from Really Small Mafia II and Dark Tournament Mafia in which he flipped town).
Really Small Mafia II, 12 hours into D1:

Dark Tournament, 25 hours into D1:


I think Damdred is scum.
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred

On December 16 2015 05:36 Rels wrote:

Yep that's true. When I was scum with Damdred in sotw he posted several times he was going to do stuff and didn't.

Thing #1 that was not done.


Thing #2 that was not done.

On December 16 2015 05:40 Koshi wrote:

1) The post on Kush that is serious / jokey
2) The townread on Shape, into retraction, into townread again because ritoky says so
3) The scumread on ritoky is based on "having the same feeling like with GB last game", but GB was town? dafuq?
4) Now he is really trowing all eggs in the ritoky is mafia basket.
5) early game he had too many weak townreads and found nothing scummy, or didn't jump on anything.


jsut some points I quickly recall

On December 16 2015 05:47 Koshi wrote:
TickTock,
Last game you proved that you are able to tunnel like a motherfucker and that you can find mafia treats in the game very easily. Why are you so lackluster here?

I am reading this case, I already read it twice, and there is not the same conviction coming from it like you had last game with GB. Not at all.

Any reason for that?

(18 left)

On December 16 2015 05:54 Koshi wrote:
It literally cannot be solid unless you think I am mafia, and you agree you are mafia. He didn't say anything else. Some stuff about shape as well.

(15 left)

I am going to vote you and see what happens. I will reread you filter if you flip town. I think there are too many reasons for you to be mafia. And I also think that you don't have enough votes for the amount of people saying you are mafia.
Not the best reason but you got like 3 votes or something.

On December 16 2015 06:02 ritoky wrote:


kush - had the tr on me at the right time, had the gb read at the right time, told koochi to go fuck himself.

LS - historically women on these forums read him with near 100% accuracy. it isn't a joke or an exaggeration.

rels - i coached rels and in doing so i developed a method of reading him, it doesn't work until day 2 or later so i am confident in my ability to discern his alignment late game.

On December 16 2015 06:21 ritoky wrote:
why rit is mafia and gig is mafia case before reading and analyzing thread?

On December 16 2015 06:36 Shapelog wrote:


Yay i'm popular lol. But really, TT didn't IMO pull out at a popular time. In fact, he the first person to pull out of a Town read. Giyga khan, LS, Damdred, Surkit all did it after his post about me. Not defending TT here, just don't understand how this is was the Popular time.

On December 16 2015 06:45 Koshi wrote:
Yeah what about we shennanies on Kush?

On December 16 2015 06:50 ritoky wrote:


the right time is when i think the exact same thing in my brain at that time.

On December 16 2015 06:56 ritoky wrote:
idk...that read flip on shape and those 3 posts are pretty fucking awful and probably make you scum....but then you come back and decide to swim up the river of heavy resistance rather than least resistance...then you base half your game on omgusing an obv town....i really have no clue what you're doing if you're town.

On December 16 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:
He's buddying obvious town when usually he would be nit picking everyone and super paranoid of *obvious town*.

he's also trying to use more bullshit reasons and instead of trying to push what he thinks he is taking the path of least resistance.

ie instead of pushing me jumped on kush.

idk if kush is scum granted but its suspicious of rels.

On December 16 2015 07:14 ritoky wrote:


if it happens more than once it usually means the person is above 80% chance to be town, reliable enough for me to not vote them d1.

imo gig is completely underwhelming and i remember nothing about him off the top of my head other than he said he was gonna do shit and didn't.

For those who hate to read, Reasons to scumread Gig.

- Weird progression on me. Scum read on me develops after Rit starts pushing me, drops the read after we talk about something else, then says everyone is null and shortly after is back on me for the same thing Rit was talking about in the first place.

-Multiple times says he's got only Null and Town reads. Mafia tend to have a hard time finding reasons to scumread other players whereas town tends to jump on things that bug them.

-Scumreads all come from other people. He mentions a "lean" on Koshi for a meta he has no experience with (obviously talking about the meta read on Koshi early on), his readon me comes from Rit, the scumread on Rels was from Koshi, and I think (I haven't checked this one) the Shape read comes from Onegu/Sukrit

On December 16 2015 07:20 Rels wrote:

How is it scum indicative when I thought deadline was in 10 minutes and nobody wanted to vote Damdred ?

On December 16 2015 07:25 ritoky wrote:


i mean i haven't even voted on you, i am voting on gb; so it is clear what my alternative is. and i am not overstating my towniness, i claimed vt.

basically why i keep talking about you is i am trying to figure out if you're just mafia or you're going to be "that guy" for me this game. "that guy" refers to the person in the game who i have a burning desire to lynch every phase and must forcibly talk myself out of lynching every phase. this is a very important distinction that could impede my progress of solving this game.

outside of you who i want to lynch and gb who i am voting on cuz i expect better from, i have no particular desire of lynch targets.

i don't want to lynch koochi, shape, damdred, kush, rels; everyone else i won't be hurt if they disappear.

On December 14 2015 22:58 Rels wrote:
sukrit seems to be Onegu ??
From this profile, he has a post in Carnaval that suggests he's an Onegu smurf:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485712-carnaval-do-brasil-mafia?page=46#917


But his posting style doesn't match up at aaaaaall.

On December 15 2015 19:14 Rels wrote:
TT is a good lynch too. He could be scum. He's not invested in finding scums, contrary to what I'm used from him. He repeats multiple times he doesn't have much time to play.

On December 16 2015 07:47 Koshi wrote:
I FUCKING HATE MODKILLS DUE TO NOT VOTING?


WHY IS IT A FUCKING RULE? WHY IS IT IMPORTANT THAT YOU VOTE? WHY WOULD YOU AS HOST RUIN THE BALANCE OF YOUR OWN GAME BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS A FUCKING ISSUE AND CAN'T VOTE?????????????????

NOT VOTING DOES FUCKING NOTHING.....................................................................

LET TOWN SOLVE IT FFS AND GO FOR A BAN AFTER THE GAME..

On December 16 2015 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
I honestly rather kill kush over GB atm just because Kush is normally useless as both alignments.

On December 16 2015 07:56 GlowingBear wrote:
BTW the fact that TT is wasting his vote is pretty suspicious.

Also, just so you guys know: I suddenly thought that Shapelog is Mafia because he started scumreading me for inactivity, but he followed my last game very closely (as he keeps saying how Koshi normally plays based on our last game) and for that reason should completely understand this is within under my town play. I've played exactly like this when I've landed on my new job.

Now he sees Koshi is playing kinda differently and calls him out in the beginning of the game. But now never talks about him. He is town for him now, it seems.

You can add up to that that he was ok with lynching either me or Kush, when we both were going against other and the probability of being Mafia is low. You can argue that he is not doing associative reads but you can see that he does that kind of thing for his early posts, where he sets a Mafia team right away.

On December 16 2015 08:08 Damdred wrote:
Tt why did you apologize to me for hammering GB especially when your vote was no where anyway?

On December 16 2015 08:07 LightningStrike wrote:
What you mean what happened? You hammered GB............

On December 16 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
My shenanigan doesn't hammer GB kush is still leading the vote when I switch.

I'll take the blame but if myself, koshi, tt, GB switch vivax has a real shot at being lynched

On December 16 2015 08:20 ritoky wrote:
if you wanna claim mason with LS then just do it already damdred.

On December 16 2015 10:24 Shapelog wrote:
Why i'm i talking to myself? I pulling a Koshi here. Heck Not even a Koshi, More like a lazy koshi. Why i'm I even concerned if I am talking to myself. Maybe it's because i have like 12 posts left (11ish after this.) Idk. Should do what i said I do and finish Notes and crap.

On December 16 2015 07:37 Sukrit wrote:



Would prefer the TT lynch. To be honest if he flips scum I will 100% read you town. And if he flips town then I will keep looking at you. I need to reread something but like 2 pages ago it was like he was scum reading you and in the space of a few posts town reading you. So TT seems like a good lynch.

On December 16 2015 07:54 Sukrit wrote:



Because this is how he looks as town.

On December 16 2015 20:53 kushm4sta wrote:
Wow you guys should have lynched me. what gives

On December 14 2015 23:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Did a quick control-f for my name.
No, Koshi, I will not be useless. This level of activity looks like it will be quite manageable for me to keep up with.
Yes, GB,I do deserve your vote at this point in time. I hope to put some time into this game at lunch.

All I can say now is ritoky is obviously town, which is funny because I'm currently voting him.

On December 15 2015 02:51 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read everything mostly.

Gb is a scummy. He's nitpicking/joking around/ being lazy.
Before you say I'm lazier, no.

Gigyas, a little concerned with his overserious tone and his post that looked more like summary than analysis. I'll quote it below.

On December 15 2015 02:56 kushm4sta wrote:
On second thought after rereading his filter I'm not so sure I want to put gigas on my scum list yet. I will wait to see what his scumreads look like.

Gb, I'll vote for him when I get a chance. Unless he does something townie.

On December 15 2015 10:31 kushm4sta wrote:
Why are we not lynching GB? im confused.

On December 15 2015 21:48 kushm4sta wrote:
I see no reason not to vote gb. Dunno when flip is but I will try to do some stuff at lunch

On December 17 2015 02:26 kushm4sta wrote:
Hi tt I will read gigas. Um I said you should have lynched me? Cause then ivwoildnt have to worry about this game anymore 'll

On December 16 2015 07:33 ritoky wrote:


kush is a bad vote imo

On December 16 2015 07:35 ritoky wrote:
the fact that the main proponent of kush's lynch (koochi) isn't even voting on kush and he has accumulated more votes than tt or gb did at any point disturbs me greatly. it probably means more likely mafia between gb and tt.

On December 16 2015 08:10 ritoky wrote:
wtf was that damdred? a shennanie with 3 minutes left that you very quickly see and probably knew ahead of time wasn't happening and it hammers a town?

wat?

On December 16 2015 08:11 ritoky wrote:
tt did not hammer gb, damdred did. tt's vote is irrelevant due to kush reaching votes first. without damdred's unvote it is irrelevant.

On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote:
if you want me to write the why is kush potentially mafia book it would basically be: he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently and probably is a result of extra information. i currently have a lack of desire to go down that rabbit hole cuz he called me town and too right thus scum isn't usually a good day 1 lunchable. also he did a game winning impression of me that i loved.

On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote:
too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me.

shape is town
kush is probably town
not interested in lynching koshi
not interested in lynching damdred
not interested in lynching rels
no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment
tt is probably mafia
gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote
gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit
every1 else is nai or unremarkable

##vote: glowingbear

i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia.

kush - had the tr on me at the right time, had the gb read at the right time, told koochi to go fuck himself.

On December 15 2015 19:35 ritoky wrote:


hey rels, i wanna sell you a brand new car for only $500.

+ Show Spoiler +

that's the read. let that blow your mind for an hour while i sleep for 40 minutes and get woken up again cuz babies don't like changes in their local environment and the oddly strong smell of lavender.

On December 15 2015 19:45 ritoky wrote:


gb, me, gigays, response to koochi. plz click filter b4 needling about pointless things.

On December 14 2015 18:14 ritoky wrote:
reasons: shape is town cuz he went derpies. mafia doesn't go derpies over a missed joke and mafia doesn't go derpies while not reading the setup/roles. shape went derpies over those things thus town.

i thought tt made same read as me, thus he is town. he then retracted his read so clearly he was not inside my brain lobe and is no longer town.

his retracted read gives a null read that is even-handed. it is horse shit. it treats shape's alignment less than 12 hours into the game as some dynamic puzzle or something. it just feels like forced fabricated gray goo; plus there's no point to it other than maybe he realized he is tring someone he can ml. you said you liked 1 post, do you really need that much explanation to downgrade to null? overexplainers anonymous released demographics recently and turns out 70% of members are mafia.

his questions don't feel like they are headed to conclusions

his response to kush is awkward; it feels like he wants to make a joke but wants to be srs. too considered of a response.

he pings lurkers, statistics have something to say about this and the propensity of it leading to mafia.

On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote:
if you want me to write the why tt is potentially mafia book it would basically be: he tr shape for good reason (i thought) at proper time and when it was popular, then backed out of it for a bad/no reason when it was popular, was awkward, then has basically snap conceded/fucked off in the face of me wanting to lynch him.

If a decent majority vote yes, I'm looking at 5 pages/filter per cycle, post donations (per Ver) up to 15 posts allowed per player. Filters allow us to keep track of this as has done past games.

Which brings me up to 3-4 scum reads now in Gig/Rit/Vivax/ and one of Kush.

On December 17 2015 07:32 Shapelog wrote:
Vivax. Your new name is Vobby. After Dobby the house elf from Harry potter for your unending will to serve your master Koshius In the quest to kill the Scum Eatters!
Damm I want to make a drawing now showing GiygaS Khan as Khan, Vobby and Koshius, and me, Shapanders. Might kickstart this.

On December 17 2015 08:46 kushm4sta wrote:
So that's got to look good for me right? A townie saved me.

On December 17 2015 13:03 Tubesock wrote:
@Tictock - I get the policy vote. I mean it's kinda not since 2 full days of nothing is lurking at a new level. But with Ritoky flipping town, does that mean your scum team is me/GiygaS/Vivax?

To the world, doing a crew change today so while I'm not working I'm going to be in an out for the next few hours.

On December 17 2015 13:26 Shapelog wrote:
What WoT btw?

On December 18 2015 06:39 kushm4sta wrote:
tubesock i just realized you put my in a position of hard defending damdred when my townread of him really isn't super strong. Especially him asking for 3 filters isn't really that townie. Also I am rethinking his case on rels, now that I myself have read rels and don't really agree.

On December 17 2015 13:44 GiygaS wrote:
Gonna back off shape for time being after his recent activity. Still don't have him as scum but he's not my first choice (still tt in my head but I'll have to go over filter tomorrow to see why everyone else has changed their mind on him, his cases EoD1 didn't seem all that great)

On December 18 2015 07:48 Shapelog wrote:
Wow its amazing what happens if you type something, make a sidenote, and then end up typing it again. "and the fact every time we mention it, he would...." is the correct thought process

On December 16 2015 05:26 Rels wrote:
Reading the thread I had these as town

Town
LS
Shape
sukrit

Maybe town
Koshi
ritoky

I would lynch TT Damdred or TS right now. giygas wasn't as bad as I thought. The others I have no idea atm.

On December 15 2015 19:07 Rels wrote:

Well you should appreciate the pressure back when all he had to show for rereading the game and filters was one case that was wrong.
Or you're scum with him.

On December 16 2015 05:20 Rels wrote:
I think Damdred is scum.

Damdred is not invested in the game, which is already a big indicator.
Damdred usually plays D1 by finding townreads, and lynching the one not in his town list. Here I have the distinct impression he tried to replicate that but failed. He has a couple of easy townreads that are not mostly based on nothing:

On December 16 2015 06:03 Rels wrote:
ritoky a word on Damdred please ?

On December 16 2015 05:00 Rels wrote:
yo I'm there, we shoudl consolidate. Why are people voting for people ? TT I know why and I agree. GB are the things on the others ?

The caps lock reasons are pure teasing you. What you are saying is that I am also solely TRing Koshi because he had 1 post near EOD that was all caps lock. That's silly. I am most definitely NOT TRing LS because he had half a post that was caps. But I did want to check it. First I saw he didn't use it as scum but then I wondered if he did as town. So, I checked that too. I still think it's a silly reason so I made fun of you for it. For the record I TR LS for his comfortable tone and he has a bigger filter than I think mafiaLS would. I may have stated before but for LS I don't pay too much attention until D2.5/3 because then he is OBVIOUS. His caps lock statement was NAI. Even though he hasn't done it in his 4 scum games, I think he's entirely capable of it. So it's NAI, but apparently for you it overcomes a SHOCKING difference.

On December 16 2015 06:48 Rels wrote:
Whatever OK to lynch kush. I don't think GB is likely to flip scum.

##Unvote
##Vote kushm4sta

On December 18 2015 10:29 Damdred wrote:
Yeah koshi is just deranged and can't come up with a real answer.

The correct answer is town do weird things all of the time because shenanigans or failed ones happen all of the time.

Town don't care about the light mafia do for the most part.

And koshi uses the it was important for town progression that gb or kush was lynched, that's beyond stupid since one of then was lynched.

Please lynch me,this phase

On December 18 2015 10:46 Shapelog wrote:


expanding. Like he could of gave me the posts because he knew i was going to talk about Rik? Then maybe shot Rik? Doubt it but going to wait before i jump to conclusions. Might make a scum/town case against/for him.

On December 18 2015 10:57 GiygaS wrote:
Don't think about it man, the situation is completely WIFOM. You're better off spending time looking at other things, otherwise you'll just go in circles.

On December 15 2015 15:45 Tubesock wrote:
I didn't notice the time change. I think LightningStrike kinda falls into the Chezinu Rule (weird posters get attacked by mafia since they are so easy to lynch). I really didn't like how he came in scummed LS and bailed. Koshi has good points on him too. Plus, maybe he will spew townbows.

##Vote: Rels

On December 17 2015 13:08 Sukrit wrote:
I will have free time in a bit and read everything. Ritoky is a really random kill imo.

On December 18 2015 15:43 Tubesock wrote:
I don't think we gain anything from lynching Vivax today. If he's town it's "well he lurked like crazy!" if he's mafia it'll be "mafia had to bus!" and then more posts about feels and some bickering but we have no more information than we had the day before.

I also like the idea of forcing him to post and vote every cycle or be modkilled with the punishment associated with it.

If he's town we don't have a mlynch.

If he's mafia then they have to think about when he might be cop checked or followed so we can waste a power maybe.

Ok, mostly it's so he can face a ban. Because not playing at all like this is bullshit. (Sorry if you're sick or hurt or something)

Let's band together and pledge to lynch him Day 4 (or something) if he can avoid modkill that long.

And I want to lynch Rels.

On December 14 2015 08:09 Koshi wrote:
I ll keep my filter low this game. Just going to focus on cases and finding mafia.
Not making excuses but my game might be trash.
We will see. But I will not be buddied.

disclaimer: don't expect too much though. Will probably still be pretty low content stuff.

On December 16 2015 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Vivax is impossble and fucking no information in there if he flips town. What the fuck are you doing Damdred. You fucker.

On December 18 2015 14:52 Damdred wrote:


I hate posts like this most the time they come from scum meh
Some of the time they come from Town

On December 18 2015 18:02 Tubesock wrote:


What changed your mind about GiygaS?

Does that mean Damdred or Kush4masta is on the table?

On December 18 2015 14:30 Tictock wrote:


I gave you posts kus I wasn't going to be able to use them and you were the only person to have maxed out their posting.



This is fairly accurate, but tbh I would probably do that as either alignment.

Gigas gets a little towncred here for not trying to push this to further his scumread on me.

On December 18 2015 20:05 Sukrit wrote:



Will post here. Not my big post.

Kush is never a good day one lynch. Basically you will never figure him out and it is 26% or what ever the percentage is for rolling scum this game what 3/13. I thought GB was town as all of his reads completely matched mine. I had a town read on GB. And if I had to choose between GB still being in the game or kush I would take GB as he is more likely to figure the game out and actually get the scum lynched where kush no offense has the same problem I do. We cant get people lynched even when we figure the game out.

And yes I still really dont like shape. I think he has plenty of free time and typeing walls of text isnt hard for him/her. He is rsoultin I am sure.

Rsoultin=Scum

Shape=Scum

I think shape is a rsoultin smurf and I have stopped reading her posts...

Koshi proven wrong and still doesnt back off... Could get on the koshi is mafia train. Wait I have been on it for a while.

Then plz lynch me. I dont have the clout to lynch you. If people didnt know I was onegu still then maybe I could have gotten you lynched. You are scum and you are going to mislynch me and that is fine would prefer if it was today.

Your read on me has going I am 100% scum to I am town and to help you figure the game out back to I am mafia. Your read progression makes zero sense and you have no reason to scum read me other than the fact that I have figured you out.

On December 18 2015 21:39 GiygaS wrote:
Can you give more reasoning for wanting to lunch koshi beyond his changed thoughts? His thought process change is completely believable imo based on you two's history/his full on tilt mode yesterday.

On December 18 2015 21:57 Sukrit wrote:



How is his thought process believable. He goes from holy shit onegu is scum because of that case kill with fire. To Onegu is town I will do my very best to help figure the game out with him. Back to onegu is scum for the same reason. No reasons changed.

On December 18 2015 22:13 Koshi wrote:

Vivax could be mafia. But he also could be town.

Remember how in last game I actually found that GB could not be mafia because of the fefe fiter? And that Chrom was most likely mafia from the fefe filter?
Retarded as I am, I didn't follow that information, BUT, that kind of information is HUGE. Also, I think there is a very good chance Damdred flips mafia, Vivax is like 60% due to PoE.

Damdred is 60% due to PoE and I got brilliant reasons.

On December 18 2015 22:33 Koshi wrote:
I hope you are town Onegu. I would enjoy actually seeing you play a game as town. Then you can realize how hard actually playing is. I do not believe rsoultin is so insanely crazy to play as Shape is doing. Totally different stuff.

---

Damdred is mafia. +85%

Rels is maybe mafia. But he actually also has pushed the people I think most likely are mafia. Maybe Rels is their powerrole, but I am not going to go into WIFOM lane and I prefer not to lynch Rels atm. Even though the cases on him are believable.

Vivax could very well be mafia. But he is not worth lynching in this stage of the game for me. Maybe somebody can shoot him?

Kush is looking less and less mafia. But I think he still can be. I cannot shake the feeling he was saved EoD1. I do not think he is mafia with Rels though.

Onegu..................................................... I don't know. I just can't read him it seems. You people decide on him. I would lynch him.

TT. The reason why TT is mafia: He hasn't solved the game in his mind yet. Or isn't pushing for the solution of the game. I know he does that as town. Just like I do it, I want people to follow my solution. TT normally does the same. But dnu if I want to lynch.

Tubesock. I don't think he is mafia. But he is like... the most possible after all these others?


others are town

---

Why I don't want to lynch Rels yet:
- Rels is being scumread by TT (and Tubesock) and voted Kush, while Kush was saved by TT and Damdred.

Somewhere it could be that Rels/TT/Kush are mafia... and then TT saved Kush while Damdred was being pants on head. But because TT is more townie than Damdred, and because EoD1 I think it is way more likely Damdred is mafia. Also general posting of TT >>>> Damdred.


all in all... I know I haven't solved the game 100% certain yet. And all my uncertainties kinda push a Rels lynch.... So... I kinda push against that now.

---

Another good reason why Onegu is mafia, he already said a couple times this:
If we lynch this guy and he flips this alignment then Koshi is this alignment.

You need to fill in names and alignments but I remember him saying:
if we lynch TT and TT is scum, koshi is town.
if we lynch Rels and Rels is town, we lynch Koshi.

And these sentences make me VERY WARY of Onegu................

On December 18 2015 23:29 Koshi wrote:
Yeah. For me there is a very good possibility that Kush/Rels/Damdred are mafia together and that Damded did a yolo play to save Kush.

There is something unholy about them.

On December 18 2015 23:38 Tubesock wrote:


I think TT ruined their play. If TT stayed on GiygaS then Kush dies.

Rels looks great for pushing him earlier.
Damdred looks good because the only correct answer is town does shenanies at the end.

On December 19 2015 02:46 Shapelog wrote:


I really, really, really, really, want to this to be true. Btw you also enter the Tinfoil club with me and TT. Main reason i posted all "I would do this as mafia" so when i play another game and i am not as active you people will lynch me and see that focusing on meta is a secondary reasoning to lynch someone.

Bit caught up now. Do not think Vobby is the best lynch today. A Rels or even a Damred flip would be more telling.

On December 19 2015 02:51 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Rels

Hmm The big posts from TT looks good enough to follow. I don't think it is scummy at all Kush. Pretty well written.

On December 19 2015 03:52 Damdred wrote:
Man I'm being a shitter this game but its ok, the games pretty boring and not many are doing work so I don't feel as bad.

idk who I'm voting for maybe no one.

On December 19 2015 03:57 Damdred wrote:
All today has been basically is stupid play trying to figure out teams when you haven't even flipped one of uscum.

Rels while he isn't the model of towniness looks town to me who's only spent maybe a hour or two in the game....

But meh id rather get lynched todya over rels shrug.

On December 19 2015 05:38 Onegu wrote:
Fuck I forgot no trolling ignore my previous post.

Koshi I have played serious games you were in some of them, then some asshole pissed me off in the game I put the most effort in my mafia life. So I decided it was more important to enjoy myself.

On December 19 2015 06:04 Koshi wrote:
lael

y u ignore all posts I give in which I say why rels is mafia?

On December 19 2015 06:04 GiygaS wrote:
TT, any updates on that first part of the game where you quoted LS?

On December 19 2015 06:11 Koshi wrote:
Like.. You don't think Rels is mafia anymore?
Entire game you call Rels mafia,

and now that I vote Rels over Damdred.

I am mafia?

On December 19 2015 06:28 GiygaS wrote:
Weird timeline thing with rels:
- He makes meta case on LS
- I make a post about it
- He reads through the thread (the infamous caps post), then makes post saying LS is town
- OMGUS' on me

Ugh, I've been so fucking wishywashy with this, but I'm going to vote Rels

##Vote Rels

On December 19 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote:
What was the question I missed it wasn't on the last page of your filter that I saw.

On December 19 2015 06:53 Tictock wrote:
Koshi is never mafia with Damdred here.

On December 19 2015 06:57 Sukrit wrote:



So I bus koshi hard from the start...

On December 19 2015 06:58 Shapelog wrote:


I already know TT's incoming question, Can you Explain? Also yeah, lately even Koshius is sus. about his house elf friend Vobby. Still null/idk read him i think.

On December 19 2015 07:01 Sukrit wrote:


He is scum.

On December 19 2015 06:45 GiygaS wrote:


#269


#357


#369


373

On December 19 2015 07:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Is this a tinfoil hat party? If so I brought mine here:

On December 19 2015 07:43 Shapelog wrote:
Vobby still is a no show btw....
@damred, personally i think the info from Rels flip is better for all the reasoning you just said and them some.
@everyone Going to restrict my posting for EOD. (11 page filter lol. 11-6 or 7 = 5/4 pages of filter today) Unless i see something big that i have to point out. Saying this so you guys do not think i am being inactive.

On December 19 2015 07:45 Damdred wrote:
But yeah a Rels lynch even if I disagree (I have nothing better) is more information for the game.

On December 19 2015 07:52 Damdred wrote:
Well a small part of me Tt wants to be right d1 when I wasn't totally rolled into,the ground from work. And the logical part of me knows that after some sleep I can try to put the pieces together tomorrow either way.

But I'm just tired and aggravated from the holiday season which is horrible,in all food industries

On December 19 2015 07:53 Koshi wrote:

I hope you are mafia.

On December 19 2015 07:56 Koshi wrote:
tt you are dropping so fucking fast to mafia category. Pretty sick.

Holy fuck you make an entire case on the person you are going to shoot????

How fucking hardtry is that?

On December 19 2015 08:07 Koshi wrote:
yeah knew it in the end. too many people were making completely retarded cases on me based on this and the fact I didn't lynch Damdred.


gg. Tomorrow you can ml me. I will vote Damdred and then afk out the game. might be last ml. But I don't make any more posts in this game. The town will have to know I am town. If they don't. It's ok.

On December 19 2015 08:11 Koshi wrote:
Damdred/TT/Vivax

gg wp

On December 19 2015 05:49 GiygaS wrote:
Some things that irk me about Koshi:
- General confidence early game about townreads

- He goes from sure on me being scum (for a very bizarre reason but still very sure) to very confident I'm town because I backed off of two things, said I don't have any scumreads and gave him links to my previous game. He later states that he got a townread on me because it doesn't seem I'm on a team for the above reasons but ehhh.

- He's getting on Damdred for his EoD1 move, but hasn't brought up TT at all in that respect. He also simultaneously thinks kush is town, which is said so many times doesn't matter. Let's go over his reasons why Damdred did what he did from a mafia perspective (thoughts in bold):

So his move is either a null read or he's going for a very high-risk low-reward play at EoD.

- Calls GB town because he seems like a carefree town. Then swaps after drunk posts from GB that don't mean anything (these were only the only posts between tr->sr from GB).

- Reason he moved from TT to GB: because TT was posting (not backing off his scum tell), and GB was a liability. This seems like a bs reason abandon his TT lynch. During this swap, he moved GB to scum read, but he voted GB not because he had a scumread, but because GB was a liability.

- Had TT as a town read the next day because "There is no fucking way mafia!TT decided to be so active before the lynch and then made that ritoky is mafia case right before they shot ritoky." Later on the page he admits this is a wifom null read, and has very good reasons to scumread TT. So then why did he list him as town?

- points sukrit/onegu already brought up

Going to read through tt and then ls next. When I was reading through kush he seemed to bring up some good points. I don't like the Rels case at all right now, seems mostly based on Shape tinfoil team theories and general misinformation.

On December 19 2015 05:01 Damdred wrote:
And when I flip town what then koshi? And hopefully rels does to

On December 19 2015 06:11 Shapelog wrote:


Comptely agree because i been saying Damred and Rels team has been impossible/highly unlikely since EoD. Thought Koshius was going to learn.

I think our Lynch options today are: Rels Kouhius and Oengu. prob. in that order, but i might being bias on Rels. Idk i still think Kubrels is best lynch. Koshius lynch also reveals a lot of info as well if he flips scum. But if he is town, we kinda have a iffy situation where we can not afford to screw up.

On December 19 2015 06:15 Shapelog wrote:
idk acutrally about Koshius come to think about it. One part of me wants to lynch him because of shits, giggles, and because he is being irrational to the point of ripping my hair out. The other side says Rels flip info outweighs Koshius flip info. Could be wrong about the info flip.

Has Kubrels really posted anything yet? other than at koshius for voting him over damdred or something. Last thing i remember from him.

But if he is town, we kinda have a iffy situation where we can not afford to screw up.

On December 19 2015 05:11 Shapelog wrote:
Ok i gone through his filter. 1st thing i want to bring up is his Rit town read.





I find his town read awkward. Like his main point for it was because Rik sounded paraiod in is post (which he didn't seem to me.) It is almost like he was trying to find a reason to town read him.

And then says "The person i was town reading died, that good right?". It's weird IMO. Rational Shapelog says this is a coincidence, but irrational shapelog says this is mafia indicate. And that Surkitengo and Kush planed to kill Rik from day one.

Second point, Him and GiygaS khan:



So he is town reading GiygaS Khan.

Then calling his RL reasoning scum sus. He goes against all his defense for GiygaS Khan and calls him scummy. I feel this is a townie post. I can't really explain why, But run the case where they are a team. Why even post this? For town cred and bring sus. on a team mate. Heck lets look through this in the eyes of a kush as mafia and GiygaS as town, why go against one the people your town reading and bring sus. onto your self? To try to get a mislynch when everyone is set on either Rels or Vobby? Thats why i think this is a townie post, because it makes in a mafia shoes IMO.

Point 3: me
Scum->town->Town with chance of mafia
What do i mean?

Again, why would mafia go after someone else at this point. Plus i am a sucker for tinfoil


So in conclusion, Kush is prob. town but as scummy posts.

On December 19 2015 01:21 kushm4sta wrote:
gonna placeholder vivax bbl at lynch

On December 19 2015 02:39 kushm4sta wrote:


I don't know about rels.
There Tube is using shit meta. I don't think it's a Scummy read tho

On December 19 2015 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:
Rels Damdred ls Gigas vivax are all on my maybe list

On December 19 2015 02:54 kushm4sta wrote:
Yah I'm going over rels filter again now. I think I could lynch him.

On December 20 2015 09:43 Shapelog wrote:


A. We do not have a vig as non of the roles in blue are vigs.

B. If person was town with the present of the gun they would almost 100% of the time kill Vobby. This is why Mafia had the Gun

On December 20 2015 16:32 Shapelog wrote:
Well Comrades! TT is one sly motherfucker or one really really really really unlucky miller.
Hes Scum!

He visted Kush last night.

And yes, i am claiming the blue role of Fritz Stahlbaum, I am a one-time tracker (since mechanics state a role can be one-shot two shot or mutishot). It is funny how i got this piece of info btw. I misunderstood my role haha. I thought i see who Vists the person i was TRACKING not the other way around. You can thank that misunderstanding when TT flips mafia

1st reason why he is scum over unlucky Miller: Probability
Math! the greatest weakness of guess who games!

Let us obverse the natural and non-natural (human mafia influence.)

Natural:
lets say the set up of the game was like this: 2-3 blue roles, 3 vt, 2-3 millers, 2-3 wanders, 3 scum.
Best chance TT gets miller is 3/13
Chance of visting Kush last night 1/9
Natural chance (random shot basically) of mafia killing kush the same night: 1/9
3 * 1 * 1 = 3
13 * 9 * 9 = 1053
So a natural chance of all that happening is 3/1053 or 1/351 or .28 % Of ever happening!

But, I can hear you say (or TT at least) what about human mafia? They are surly not ever going to randomly shot someone! that be unreasonable! and that is true.... But there is way we can roughly calculate the non-natural chance that mafia would shot Kush last night. Patterns.

So far 2/3 of the night kills by mafia have been second hand town members. What do i mean by second hand? townies who have lack luster mafia cases and slash or low content. Only Koshi has broken this rule. So we can calcule with this pattern who is mafia target last night:
TS: heck no with that Rels case does he fit in. (might be mafia...)
Giygas Khan: No, he did that big case on me, and a few smaller, but good scum cases/posts analyzes.
Damred: not a single real case past D1, and that wasn't even big. +1 (might be mafia)
TT: Doesn't matter, hes mafia, he would be shooting, so subtract one from the bottom. But if we are calling him a miller, then no
Kush: Check +1
Koshi: Nope..... Mafia probuly killed him for town cred (more on that later) Lets say mafia already knew they were going to kill him so we will exclude him to give TT the best chance here.
Me: Hell no, I been their biggest advocate (again later on)
Surkit: Yes, but i think he is mafia along with TT.
LS: pretty meh, not enough to be out of this logic : +1
Vobby: checkish +1, if i was scum, might as well lynch him and get cred at this point though. So for the sake of it (and since everyone else is calling him mafia I put him with the mafia team for this)

So 3/6 or 1/2 of the people were up to be shot by mafia last night.

3 * 1 * 1 = 3
13 * 9 * 2 = 234
So 3/234 or 1/78 or 1.2 % chance of it happening.
1.2% vs a .28 % for innocent miller to be caught going to a dead person's home. Awful chances of miller aren't they? So if he is mafia it is a 98.8% non natural chance and a 99.72 natural chance that he was visiting for mafia business.

Go ahead and fight me if you think he was just visiting Kush for a drink on the night he died. Go ahead, i got math.

2nd reasoning: TT has done nothing that makes sense as mafia.

I bet you read that and went "What?" how can you claim someone is mafia when they done nothing that makes sense.

I think i told Damred best why when he posted this:




1st off my biggest issue with this and TT is that it is hard for him to "Trend waters" as Damred claim mafia should do. Is that that is Exactly why everyone scum read TT at the beginning! Just like koshi, if he doesn't live up to his "town play" he is auto scum in people eyes. So he has to do these big reads and cases. Hes got to put up the show, to be believe as town. And that's it. It is like something known as security theater, it is not actual security, it is just a show of security like behavior and actions that makes everyone feel safe. That is what he is doing here. Lets go threw the list:

Rik case: So TT enters the game after much inactiveness, (maybe planned) and comes in and has a magically same theory i had about Rik. About his hard ass town read on me. Everyone wrote it off as tinfoil basically, except him. Tell me, why in the world would mafia come into the game, see people are questioning he's side, and instead of posting a bunch of stuff and posting. He just jumps on this. He could easily saw my theory and jump on. You can how this actually HELPS a mafia.

Let me run it again, nearing end of D1, before wagons really from. TT sees votes on him, realizes that no one paid attention to his Rik post for the most part, and is discussing lynching him. Makes a relative rushed post, and gets into a conversation with Riks. Everyone points out his post is rushed, so he does something unexcepting, he votes for Giyga Khan. At that point, he wasn't even really talked about in the terms of being scum. Well then people scum read him for wasting his vote. I can image at this point he was desperate. He knew the two wagons were town and town. Damred (who maybe is his partner) does shenanigans and he has to vote one or the other to avoid sus. about him voting GiygaS Khan. And hammers GB because "well i am sus. might as well do something more sus. so i look town". Then to give him more cred, he goes off me going hard onto Rik. then kills Rik.

Koshi Vote:
pretty self explaining. Knew he would be town and that a fellow team mate had a gun. Maybe onegu is with him lol.

Kush kill:
So here we are. The info that got me writing this WoT in the first place. But why would the person kill the person he just scum reads? Duh for the cred.


It is different then from when Kush said he was more townie because Rik die. Remember how everyone thought this was a WIFOM move by mafia to cast sus. on me and kush? And everyone told Kush it was NAI? Kush didn't scum read Rik, in fact, he sided with rik. Compare this too:



Then Kush dies. The night TT calls him scum, magically he visits the place with at best a 1.2% chance roughly as a miller? And the night before, digs up my read on kush which practically said "This guy is town, but he does have a few scummys posts" which clearly implies that they aren't big enough to make me think he was mafia. Then pulls up irrelevant D2 garage filter from Kushs filter to call him scum.

Why would he do this as mafia? Because that has been his entire plan from the beginning! And it work so good to, I mean if it wasn't for my stupid mistake i would of not even have knew. But everything makes sense now. But it is time to drive home the "mafia is being obvious mafia to try to seem town" claim.

3rd reason: His trouble, dumbtell posts.



Idk about Damdred (I don't think really he went hard after damdred tbh, more like "his play makes no sense! again") about about Vivax. Tell me why the hell mafia at this point shouldn't get rid of him if he is scum? Because he is a team mate? It is way to hard to defend his crap. It seems too good that mafia would just let one of their own get lynch without some plan. And guess what, the other two TT and ???? are doing just that, to get cred. Mafia will have too at this point either come out and lie about a role or just let him get lynch. But if Vivax is town (which according to TS could be a 50/50 right now bewteen mafia and town RB) then it is easy winnings right now. Keeping vivax alive as possible has been mafia key goal. No one except LS i think even glace at my post D2 when i keep bringing up Vobby. Why not keep town Vivax alive as long as possible. I still think he is scum, but honestly a coinflip right now (if what TS is saying is true, which for all i know could be mafia trying to influence voting) At our last lynch is super fucking dicey

Dead Koshi post:

This is prob. NAI but is worth mentioning. Easy knowing that koshi is dieing to post this after day to basically be town. How does mafia forget who they are killing? Excellently, that is why he is mafia. Sees my post about vig and gun, Somehow misses the who conversation with LS about asking someone to claim up to who shot koshi (or maybe kush and TT had gun lol, no wait makes no sense) Skips Night flips and posts a koshi lynch. Because it seems townie. But this is his biggest dumbtell all game for the "obivous mafia being town" plan.

Hell lets ponder if a town killed koshi last night. By his skimmyness alone, to not even look at who died. seems like a normal scum move. Wait....He HAD TO READ THE DAY CYCLE POST BECAUSE HE KNEW KUSH DIED! HOW IN THE HELL DID HE MISS KOSHI? Maybe skimming through to see if his night kill got healed!


And you know what is funny? I FUCKING BROUGHT IT, SO DID EVERYONE ELSE! MAFIA TOO OBVIOUS? NO THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE. I mean give me your 1st reason that you ever thought of in this game that TT was town? Was it a town read? scum case? No, it was because it was posting like a mad man trying to get everyone to say "thats our boy" and it fucking work! Damm......

Conclusion:
Which one do you feel more comfortable with? A almost 99% gaurtreed scum or a 50/50 scum? Pure probulbilty says that TT only has a 1.2 % of rolling town at this point. Vivax still has 50%! at this point.

My money is on the 99% scum
God i was so lucky
##Vote: TicTock

I can not believe you betrayed me tinfoil buddy you even killed the new member.
Also if TS is mafia he fucked you over baldly because of a present call.
Also Thanking my dumbness and my misunderstanding of the role lol.

- a visit to the person who gets nightkilled for one night

On December 21 2015 01:48 Shapelog wrote:
Like everyone killed had a way for a mislynch the day they died. Me on Rit, TT had a Kush being scum case. Koshius was killed by them while having major sus..
But yet Vobby, who has been the easiest target for a mislynch is still alive? IS it because he only post to avoid modkill? Is it because mafia knows it sus. and it is the easiest target for a mislynch? Why not kill everyone that could provide town with info with a lynch? And yes, why waste the gun when they could of mislynch koshius or vobby today and shot and win tomorrow? Because they have the best mislynch! Vobby.

Like the more and more i think about it. The more and more i can see vobby being bait for the mafia's fishing hook. And town being the fish.

On December 21 2015 02:19 Shapelog wrote:


Couldn't technically I track GF who goes no where?

Idk, I was like when i saw my role "Lets get some motherfucking mafia boys", I wouldn't be that smart enough to confirm myself like that .

On December 21 2015 02:31 Shapelog wrote:


I already did.... In so many times......*sigh*

I misunderstood the text. I though it worked like a watcher/lookout. So i thought i was watching you, but turns out I tracking.

Reason why i hold it is explain a few posts up.