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Xatalos
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Half the Sky
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I said before that I don't understand rayn's alternative strategy because it deviates from how I'm used to RL play. Ignoring numbers I would think it's easier, much easier to find 2-3 townreads and get the first mission passed, which is the easiest - it requires the least number of people, etc. I also proposed a counterpoint/what-if scenario relying on the scumteam Based on rayn's first cycle play I am still inclined to think he's town. But isolating the scumreads I think is much harder let alone put them all on a single mission team. If you mess up even one townie on that first team, you make it harder for yourself when you need more town/resistance on larger teams. That is the part that seems counterintuitive to me. | ||
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Half the Sky
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Xatalos
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kitaman27
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On November 04 2015 02:24 Half the Sky wrote: I just know that in RL resistance as a spy I have passed the first mission and then failed later missions - my question to rayn is how is he going to get around this possibility regardless of who/what his reads/team recs are? I read the post where he discusses Kita/Rels/Shockey and I'm not clear on the failsafe there. Am I missing something? Or was it more apparent in another post? It's a catch-22. You can't discuss why the plan doesn't work for town because you'd need to lay out the basic spy strategy for taking advantage of the situation. Yet at the same time, you can't discuss the why the plan could work out because you'd need to lay out what you're hoping to achieve from the spies. Either way, it's still too high risk with a questionable reward. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 23:08 ShoCkeyy wrote: Tell me where I directly called you scum.. This is the third time I've asked you to. I'm confused what you are trying to say because I was working under the assumption that rayn was one of your spy suspects. On November 03 2015 03:15 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm pretty much going to reject the xata/rayn combo wombo. I'd rather see the first team mentioned - hts,super,xata go through. On November 02 2015 23:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: He can get angry as town too, haven't never seen him play as town. I'm just basing it off my previous game with him, which is why I rather not have him on the first mission. On November 03 2015 22:36 ShoCkeyy wrote: rayn the whole game has tried to look like an angry town player, cause he's obviously getting angry at my assumptions, not even real accusations. He can't even find the time to go through my meta and see how I play, yet I went through his. He also can't find the time to really interact with me Are you arguing semantics between whether or not you "directly called him scum" or whether you "inferred he was possibly scum"? Is the difference important? What do you think of people like Artanis, Xat or Super. Even if you aren't completely certain, it would be nice to see a bit more regarding what you are thinking about each of them. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I am most likely not gonna be online before the deadline. Would like townies to nay-vote the team even if you think it's all town. More time is better. There is no rush. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On November 04 2015 02:47 kitaman27 wrote: I'm confused what you are trying to say because I was working under the assumption that rayn was one of your spy suspects. Are you arguing semantics between whether or not you "directly called him scum" or whether you "inferred he was possibly scum"? Is the difference important? What do you think of people like Artanis, Xat or Super. Even if you aren't completely certain, it would be nice to see a bit more regarding what you are thinking about each of them. There is a difference between directly calling him scum and having him as a suspect... I don't have any proof that he is, but I do have my suspicions from his previous games and his current postings. I also don't have a well enough case to directly call him scum. However, he calls me scum immediately, says I also directly call him scum and places me into a party of three that are scum in his books. Artanis, I can understand if he's busy. I'm a busy guy too... I work a lot and I normally do not ever post as much as this. Within the few posts that he's made, he's brought one solid post that can pass off as town for me. On November 03 2015 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm still kinda leaning scum on Shockey, though I do like that he's addressed a lot of issues I can very easily see his play be scum motivated, and I still feel like he was trying to get a hole in Rels' defense earlier. Having reread Kita, I'm actually quite okay with him, though I don't think his points on Xatalos say too much. Finding scum in this game isn't really as important as finding town so I can see Town Xata searching for town moreso than scum. I like Superbia's post on Rels, and honestly it does kinda make me doubt on him, but it moreso gives me a townread on Superbia for the way he's structured his post; he has a very clear idea of where he's going and that direction leads me to townread him. The problem I have now is that I have too many townreads which is eh. I'm probably going to vote no on the first team regardless to get more time. I'm not going to have much time until Thursday honestly. Xata to me is still null, his needing to back rayn all the time is really weird and on the other hand he hasn't really done anything that can really call scum motivated. The only post I found weird was the whole reason super started going after Xata. Super in general seemed like he tried to be active the first day and really start the conversation going. I sense more of a town from him that he's actively looking for both town/spies. The only thing that throws me off about super is how he "concluded" rayn was town. I don't think he ever explains it. | ||
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kitaman27
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Half the Sky - Leaning town. At the start of the game, I was concerned with the fact that she essentially posted exactly what I typically hear from scum players 6-12 hours into the game when I rarely choose to participate much. Since then, she has stayed pretty active and shows evidence of reading the thread. At certain points there was a pretty easy opportunity to My biggest concern would be that between her, myself, rayn, xatalos, and superbia was that she really did not seem to explain herself very well why she went from one to the other as nominations changed. At the end of the day, there were little suspicions towards anyone in the group of five, yet its pretty unlikely the entire group is town. raynpelikoneet - Leaning town. I'm willing to give him town points right off the bat for saving us from having to play with VE. In general he seems to be pushing forwards discussion and looking at player-player relationships to try to piece things together. The plan that he put forward with the scum nominations may be really poor, but a couple posts suggest that he actually believes in it. I hate the way he talks in absolutes regarding alignments of players that he certainly can't be so sure of. The conclusions come way too quick. However, I know he tends to do that a lot as town from past experience as well. Xatalos - Leaning mafia On November 03 2015 08:56 Xatalos wrote: He was also constantly engaged with the thread... Not really sure how it's comparable to you. This is a flat out false statement to justify his town read on Superbia. Superbia was NOT constantly engaged with the thread. He was absent aside from the start of the game, a 1 hour period where he made several posts, and a return post where he promised future reads. How can a player be both engaged and disconnected from the game at the same time. I question the validity of the town read because he isn't aware of Superbia's absence when several other players start to question the drop off. Furthermore, he justifies the scum read on me by stating that I am ignoring discussion topics. That makes Xatalos's mindset look even worse when you compare it to his defense of Superbia. Superbia never even comments about the nomination aside from a 1-liner after the fact that he has never elaborated on. I shared my suspicions on both Superbia and Xatalos during the nomination phase and my satisfaction with both HTS and rayn as nominations. It seems like Xatalos generated his reads a few hours into the game and hasn't re-evaluated based on the events of the thread, which I view as a scum trait. Superbia - Weakly leaning town Superbia + Xatalos doesn't stand out as teammates and I think Xat looks worse between the two. That's probably the biggest reason that I have him slightly townier than NULL. If I re-evaluated my read on Xata, I'd probably need to do the same here. On November 02 2015 20:43 Superbia wrote: I usually start off with lots of big town-reads, not sure where the rest of town is this game lol. This post felt genuine. He had no input regarding nominations. I won't necessarily interpret this as spy motivated since he has essentially been absent from the thread, rather than lurking. On November 02 2015 20:41 Superbia wrote: Xat's initial post set me off. Saying something like "this is a nightmare for scum" has two results 1. It distances you from "scum". 2. It downplays scum. 1. Is NAI. 2 is super weird from a town perspective, and leans me more towards mafia. I feel like if you were town and believed this you would've focused on the strength of town, rather than the weakness of mafia, and as a result, would've said something along the lines of "mafia gonna get #rekt #noqt" (or something less trolly). Regardless I feel like commenting on how "weak" mafia is is mafia indicative as it sets up for a lax game. Now I already had a very real suspicion that you knew that this set up is not a "nightmare" for scum, as you have played resistance(/avalon) before (noted by you correctly associating my merlin comment with avalon). So that double begs the question why you felt the need to point out that mafia was "weak". I felt this post was exaggerated. He suggests that Xat is pushing a mafia agenda with the nightmare for scum post in order to catch town off guard. I simply don't think a mafia Xat is looking that far ahead. If anything, I'd say reason 1 makes more sense. Trying to interpret what a town Xat would enter the game as is a complete guessing game so I felt he was really stretching his read here. sicklucker - Null lol there is always at least one of these guys  I'm really bad at reading low effort players. Usually it comes down to looking at their past games and seeing if the low effort trend occurs as only a single alignment (I haven't done this yet, but it is on my to-do list). We aren't really in a position to exclude him for the rest of the game so hopefully we get a few more reads. I guess the posts on Xata is a start. Artanis[Xp] - Going to hold off until we see a few more posts from him. I'm not very sure where his head is at. At some point someone mentioned that had a very strong read on him. If you could elaborate, that might be helpful. ShoCkeyy - I'm struggling between low thread presence mafia and "lynch bait" town. He doesn't seem comfortable giving out statements which he isn't confident about. This could either mean that truly isn't sure and wants more time until it is clear or that he doesn't want to make a statement that could backfire later on in the game. I didn't like the meta read he made on rayn by taking only the experience from the game he has played. There were a few other statements that seemed like they came from town. "I will rject this combination" etc. I took a look through some of his past games. There were a few similarities that popped up. On May 19 2015 05:36 ShoCkeyy wrote: I didn't ignore it and I never said GB was mafia directly, nor do I think he's mafia yet after throwing posts at him to see his argument style which I didn't much see in the Palmar posts due to reasons. I do however keep him under my list and already have mentioned my claim. On November 03 2015 23:08 ShoCkeyy wrote: Tell me where I directly called you scum.. This is the third time I've asked you to. On June 19 2015 05:42 ShoCkeyy wrote: GB can you stop completely ignoring my questions and stop ignoring the read I asked to do of me? And don't tell me it's because I have a small filter (wtf kind of logic is that). Tell me why I shouldn't vote for you? On November 03 2015 22:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: He was ignoring me when I was trying to engage with him. Doesn't make him scum, but it makes the scum meter raise. On December 15 2010 05:25 ShoCkeyy wrote: Another thing, notice how d3_crescentia doesn't name Amber[Light] in his post ... But then I throw Amber[Light]'s name into my post and now Amber[Light] is ALSO voting for me. You guys are obvious enough that you both are teaming up against people trying to save the town. Obvious Scums are Obvious. On May 19 2015 06:36 ShoCkeyy wrote: I just like the fact that I call three people out today and I'm getting ganged up on like in the beginning with they ganged up on damdred. If it doesn't smell like obvious mafia players, then Idk what is obvious. On November 03 2015 00:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: However in this game, that buddying up can also be assumed to knowing they're both spies. The other reason I came up to that is how they both question Rels together. Rels and rayn first started off and then Xata jumped in afterwards. On February 24 2010 11:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm waiting till the next day to post all of my analysis of people. I've learned from the last game to just sit back and watch. On November 03 2015 00:43 ShoCkeyy wrote: Mostly everyone is still null for me. The first team still hasn't even gone out yet. All of these quotes come from games where he is mafia compared against posts from this game. I know this method of scum hunting can be a bit dangerous because you're cherry picking posts without context, but there were enough similarities between his play that it warrants concern. From his town games, I didn't really have success picking up many trends aside from generally low post counts, though he was willing to call players scum without having "proof" like he suggests in his most recent post. I'd say Shockeyy would be in my exclude list for the time being. Rels - Weak town He is changing his mind a lot, which suggests read progression. A lot of the posts that he is making wouldn't necessarily further his position to get included in a mission, which gives him town points. Getting into a fight with rayn early on in the game and digging up stuff on HTS when a lot of people town read her could create problems for him if he wanted to be trusted by the more vocal players. He brings a fair amount of new topics to the thread and seems to believe in most of the stuff he is posting. Something of interest is that our reads don't match up very well. Usually when town hunting you look for people that are thinking similar things. I need to decide whether one of us are off by a significant amount or if he is pushing a mafia agenda by swaying the thread in a certain direction. | ||
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kitaman27
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1. Half the Sky 2. Xatalos 3. Artanis[Xp] 4. raynpelikoneet 5. ShoCkeyy I know that the more information the better, but I'm actually toying with the idea of approving the first team. I'd be concerned that a similar looking team may not come up again considering the leaders likely self-nominations. Hmm. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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"He doesn't seem comfortable giving out statements which he isn't confident about. This could either mean that truly isn't sure and wants more time until it is clear or that he doesn't want to make a statement that could backfire later on in the game." And also, I have been looking into rayn's previous games. Another thing, I don't need to be on a team, I already know I'm town, so when ever I do get on a team I'll be a 33% chance that it will pass. My current focus atm is trying to find town so when I vote for the teams, I know I'm voting confidently. | ||
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Xatalos
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I agree that Superbia has become less engaged over time. Which is why he really isn't a strong townread at this point. But I stand by what I said about his earlier play. As for you, your recent posts have felt better in general (more engaged / focused on what's happening in the game), but I don't really like either your soft push on me just before the team decision or your current push of me for... well, the above reasons, which are just misrepresenting my reads. | ||
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Xatalos
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(btw his last post is kind of weird... said he's voting yes and will explain it later? why not now?) | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On November 04 2015 05:42 Xatalos wrote: Well, Superbia has really just become inactive in recent times, not necessarily unengaged... We'll see what he does when he returns. (btw his last post is kind of weird... said he's voting yes and will explain it later? why not now?) He said it was his Gf's birthday today so he wouldn't be around much... Did you miss that? | ||
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Xatalos
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On November 04 2015 05:44 Xatalos wrote: Meh, even a short explanation would have been good, even if he was busy. But I hope we'll hear it after this. | ||
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